[00:33] <jgk> has anyone got an update on ubuntu 18.10
[00:34] <oerheks> jgk, join #ubuntu+1 for next release
[00:34] <daftykins> like what? it's releasing in october
[00:35] <jgk> any information on what they are planing new designs or just security updates
[00:37] <daftykins> non-LTS do not just have security updates no
[00:37] <jgk> any new features
[00:37] <oerheks> they have up2date info, https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/05/18/desktop-plans-for-18-10
[00:37] <oerheks> !cosmic
[00:38] <jgk> thanks
[00:39] <daftykins> guess that's someones homework done? ;)
[00:41] <oerheks> yeah .. got paid in donut-holes
[00:42] <daftykins> xD
[02:02] <guiverc> sorry [[again]] tomreyn - overtyping you again
[02:02] <tomreyn> guiverc: nah thats fine
[02:03] <tomreyn> i'm only slightly motivated to help him ;)
[02:03] <tomreyn> and your questions are fine
[02:03] <guiverc> :)  not got yer crystal ball ??
[02:04] <guiverc> (or ability to read his/her mind)
[02:05] <daftykins> :>
[02:06] <tomreyn> its in the laundry
[02:23] <guiverc> well done tomreyn - you fixed something :)
[02:24] <tomreyn> something or soemthing else.
[02:33] <tomreyn> poor lefty
[02:34] <tomreyn> i'd help you, but i just cant type right now since i keep laughing so much.
[02:35] <daftykins> o0
[02:35] <daftykins> sounds like i'm missing an amusing one :>
[02:36] <tomreyn> two
[02:39] <tomreyn> mtdms was asking how to install php5 yesterday. i pointed him to sury's PPA. maybe it was too complicated, though. he's now back with effectively the same question.
[02:47] <leftyfb> tomreyn: never suggest php5 :)
[02:47] <leftyfb> I wouldn't suggest 12.04 either guiverc
[02:48] <guiverc> i thought the pay-to-use (ESM) would scare people to upgrade to a supported version
[02:49] <leftyfb> If they have an application that is critical to get going and only works on php5, I'd suggest running 14.04 in a container with only that application in it. Until the application is upgraded to php7 or replaced of course
[02:49] <leftyfb> guiverc: people aren't smart enough to worry about it being supported and will just install 12.04 because someone told them it comes with php5
[02:49] <leftyfb> while the entire time they had no business worrying about php5 to begin with
[02:50] <guiverc> okay - i'd have suggested 14.04 but didn't see php5 available in any supported release (outside 12.04esm)
[02:51] <leftyfb> 14.04 has php5 by default
[02:52] <leftyfb> I have some ancient software running on it in containers
[02:55] <tomreyn> i also pointed out that 14.04 has php5, and that it is supported for <1y
[02:56] <tomreyn> just like today, they could not really explain why php7 was not an option
[02:58] <leftyfb> misunderstanding
[02:59] <leftyfb> as usualy
[02:59] <leftyfb> usual*
[02:59] <leftyfb> ok, that's my queue to go to bed :)
[02:59] <leftyfb> cyas
[02:59] <guiverc> yeah users are a dumb lot  (i talk from experience; I'm one of em); I missed your 14.04 php5 ref (was busy looking at packages.ubuntu.. & still missed it..)
[02:59] <guiverc> night leftyfb
[02:59] <guiverc> & thanks  leftyfb
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:15] <ducasse> good morning, folks
[06:17] <lotuspsychje_> hey lordievader ducasse
[06:17] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:17] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:17] <lordievader> Morning lotuspsychje_
[06:19] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all good here, thanks, and you?
[06:21] <lordievader> Doing ok here
[06:21] <lordievader> How are you lotuspsychje_ ?
[06:21] <ducasse> busy day ahead?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> all good here lordievader you?
[06:22] <lordievader> Have to review a bunch of papers, so yes -.-
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:16] <oerheks> hi bl
[10:16] <oerheks> {tab}
[10:16] <oerheks> BluesKaj :-D
[10:17] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks :-)
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[10:17] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[10:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, got your message, btw
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[10:23] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[10:33] <BluesKaj> hi EriC^^
[10:39] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> main back in sleep :p
[10:40] <BluesKaj> odd, #ubuntu seems to have no activity at all
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> maybe its the weather too
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> sunny= everyone out
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> only a few fools sit on irc lol
[10:43] <BluesKaj> it's too early to sit outside here, still only 13C
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> oh
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> freshy breakfast nice
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> bbl lunch here
[11:01] <oerheks> wait, we have a troll
[11:03] <BluesKaj> yup, seems he talks about his pc as if all th elements and HW is installed then not
[11:04] <oerheks> fixing own issues, demanding a guest to change his name
[11:04] <BluesKaj> not dealing with him anymore
[11:04] <oerheks> well, lets try preventing to do damage to others
[11:06] <daftykins> aww, do we have to?
[11:06] <daftykins> morning all \o
[11:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning daftykins
[11:10] <BluesKaj> this hans guy has enough skills to make his IP as unreachable so he's probly just playing games here to amuse himself
[11:12] <daftykins> nah usually it's just a sign of an ISP that blocks traceroute on some level
[11:13] <BluesKaj> daftykins, I tried both traceroute and https://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php
[11:13] <BluesKaj> usually one of those will show a result
[11:13] <daftykins> meh :)
[11:21] <oerheks> he is drunk, or on drugs
[11:24] <leftyfb> City          Tønsberg
[11:24] <leftyfb>           Country         Norway
[11:24] <leftyfb>            State          Vestfold
[11:24] <leftyfb> Is that what you're looking for?
[11:25] <oerheks> i am looking for that amdgpu deb :-D
[11:26] <daftykins> long live nvidia!
[11:26]  * daftykins ducks
[11:27]  * oerheks sharks
[11:27] <daftykins> eep
[11:40] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, what did you use to get his IP?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> or you used your ubuntu membership to look more deeply into this guy...I get it
[11:44] <daftykins> hehe
[11:56] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: whois
[11:56] <leftyfb>  [hans_] (~hans@ti0016a400-1365.bb.online.no): realname
[11:56] <leftyfb> * [hans_] #ubuntu
[11:56] <leftyfb> * [hans_] rajaniemi.freenode.net :Helsinki, FI, EU
[11:56] <leftyfb> * [hans_] is using a secure connection
[11:56] <leftyfb> * [hans_] is logged in as Hans_Henrik
[11:56] <leftyfb> * [hans_] End of WHOIS list.
[11:56] <leftyfb> then do a 'host ti0016a400-1365.bb.online.no'
[11:57] <leftyfb> then I have a script that uses ip-adress.com to lookup geo location
[11:57] <BluesKaj> oops my mistake ...had the wrong hans when I whoised
[11:58] <BluesKaj> this the one I got  [Whois] Hans is ~woodstock@blackbird.headcrashers.org (Don "Elvis" Woodstock)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hate those underscores on nicks
[12:00] <oerheks> sudo apt install amdgpu
[12:00] <oerheks> :-D
[12:01] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, https://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=ti0016a400-1365.bb.online.no
[12:03] <BluesKaj> I use that tracker because it's fast and seems accurate ...use it to test my vpn IPs etc
[12:06] <BluesKaj> altho it has java problems with it's map now and then
[12:21]  * BluesKaj has to learn to use its instead of it's when it's possesive :-)
[12:31] <blackflow> though you can't really trust the geoip database. it's best effort with no guarantees on validity
[12:36] <BluesKaj> blackflow, like I said, "seems accurate" , but it hasn't led me into dangerous waters yet
[12:43] <blackflow> I guess it depends. in my experience, it's more wrong than correct.
[12:48] <daftykins> it's really funny when websites try to geoIP us here on the island
[12:48] <daftykins> "hey, check out these things from <place_x>" uh yeah nobody says that :>
[12:53] <BluesKaj> depends? i haven't been steered wrong when comparing the results of that tracker with traceroute ...trust is a relative term, depending one's experience and opinion
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> hey guiver_d
[13:32] <blackflow> BluesKaj: I guess it has more to do about the region. More "important" one could be more accurate. For all the lookups I did, they were mostly wrong.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> blackflow, how did you know they were wrong?
[13:35] <blackflow> because I knew the physical location of those IPs that I checked.
[13:36] <blackflow> and other sources. For example, Tele2, when their entered our market (Croatia), it took them a year or two before their IPs stopped locating to Sweden. I know that because they're one of my backup providers.
[13:36] <blackflow> *they
[13:38] <blackflow> I can only expect accuracy to reduce as we deplete IPv4 and subnets get sold and fragmented.
[13:40] <blackflow> which reminds me, I have to reactivate the tor exit node blockage on our firewalls...
[13:43] <BluesKaj> seems isolated to your part of the world blackflow, haven't had the same experience here in Canadaat all
[13:45] <blackflow> possible. I mean, our branch of T-Com won't even consider residential IPv6 yet, so yeah...
[14:35] <tomreyn> :-/
[14:35] <tomreyn> no residential ipv6 still? that's way too late.
[14:35] <tomreyn> ipv4 IS depleted.
[14:36] <daftykins> saw a piece claiming adoption is at <20% still
[14:36] <blackflow> the worse part was I asked them if they had any plans about ipv6, and they said they had none.
[14:36] <daftykins> and is even showing signs of levelling off
[14:37] <tomreyn> well have plans when they check their balances / calculations. although telecoms are the beasts, got the most ipv4
[14:37] <tomreyn> at&t still got WAY too many
[14:38] <blackflow> IoT is the way out of the ipv4 shackles. as bad as IoT is otherwise.
[14:38] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks#List_of_assigned_/8_blocks
[14:40] <tomreyn> yes, that'll be the first and last time that iot actually does good
[14:40] <daftykins> i wonder if afrinic is still in turmoil
[14:41] <tomreyn> still a RIPE colony
[14:41] <tomreyn> but shhhh
[14:50] <blackflow> lol
[14:51] <blackflow> APNIC has no moar ipv4, and I hear AFRINIC is  heh.... ripe with unused ipv4 blocks :)
[14:52] <blackflow> fun times anyway. some people will get fired, if they haven't already. eg, those who decided by themselves that 1.1.1.1 is a good _testing_ range despite it NOT being RFC 1918.
[14:52] <blackflow> and yesterday I found out 128.0.0.0/8 was being used like that too
[14:53] <daftykins> yeah but the afrinic folks just dumped their 'leader' due to sexual harrassment drama
[15:21] <tomreyn> there are also those who think RFC1918 reserves all of 192.0.0.0/8 and 172.16.0.0/8
[15:22] <tomreyn> there are also those who think RFC1918 reserves all of 192.0.0.0/8 and 172.0.0.0/8
[15:22] <tomreyn> well, same thing
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> hello
[15:27] <daftykins> \o
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> fresh from the press: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/07/09/minimal-ubuntu-released
[15:50]  * lotuspsychje gonna buy an umbrella for protecting things fall out the heavy clouds
[15:52] <daftykins> >:D
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> lucky for me its minimal :p
[15:55] <tomreyn> not as fresh from the press: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1779827 - still relevant, though.
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: related to that hwe guy from today?
[15:56] <tomreyn> yes
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> ppf said was better to downgrade to .23
[15:57] <tomreyn> the link was posted in #ubuntu-kernel arlier today
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> aha
[15:57] <tomreyn> apparently you need to downgrade or install haveged, but i haven't finished reading, yet
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> really looking forward to .1 now
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> alot of stuff will get solved
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> they better be ready for our unity guys :p
[15:58] <tomreyn> :)
[15:59] <tomreyn> it's unfortunate that this kernel went into 18.04 proper. with 16.04 and hwe-edge it's ok to break, i guess, but not the latest lts default kernel.
[15:59] <daftykins> >8\/
[16:00] <tomreyn> it doesn't always happen, though, so it's not so easy to test for,
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> bad weeknd for me... primary system had the /var partition go bye-bye ... :-(
[16:03] <tomreyn> :-/
[16:04] <tomreyn> wb, though. how did this happen?
[16:04] <daftykins> you might say it dropped a 'log'
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> not sure... I use my machine as a media server... I was playing back videos on it all evening the night before... when I woke up the next morning the drive and quick working and /var was completely empty. Reboot no longer works, as /var is needed to boot and won't mount or be recognized in bios
[16:08] <daftykins> yee-ouch
[16:08] <daftykins> mechanical disk gone bye bye?
[16:11] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: is /var on a different disk than the rest, though? if it's just another partition then bios wouldn't matter there.
[16:11] <daftykins> think it was just the wording, sounds like it's the disk that's no longer seen at all
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, /var was a separate physical disk. so /home /root /opt /etc are all recoverable
[16:12] <tomreyn> and if your /var is on the same disk as other partitions you depend on then you should definitely check its concistency (start with 'smart' data) before the rest gets to fall apart as well.
[16:12] <tomreyn> oh ok
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> coincidentally. I was preparing to back up the system in preparation for 18.04.01 to upgrade from the current 16.04.01 on that machine... If only I had been a little further along
[16:14] <daftykins> :<
[16:15] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: i swapped over some hardware on Friday in a clients server and saw the onboard NIC wasn't supported under 14.04, so i just did a clean 18.04 install right then :D
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> I have a new drive for the system... upgrade from the now broken 2TB to a brand new 4TB
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> now the fun of deciding how to partition it
[16:20] <tomreyn> consider raid-1 (now or next time) if you have enough sata ports, this can save the headache of having to restore backups (which always happens at the wrong time).
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: wich brand failed?
[16:27] <daftykins> they all fail :D
[16:28] <tomreyn> :) sooner or later, for sure
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> irrelevant... I have no idea how long I even had that drive... at least more than 5 years
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> ghoti: welcome, i think we have a channels trigger somewhere
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !channels
[16:30] <ghoti> lotuspsychje: thanks.
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows the trigger for the ubuntu channels?
[16:32] <daftykins> !irc
[16:33] <tomreyn> !botabuse :-P
[16:33] <ghoti> Ah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList would seem to be the channel list, but it's not clear whether this is in sync with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope .
[16:34] <tomreyn> if you wanted to learn about #ubuntu-ops, reading the guidelines would have sufficed.
[16:35] <ghoti> tomreyn: thanks, but that wasn't my goal.
[16:35] <ghoti> ... I'm looking for a recommendation, and perhaps some discussion of the relative merits, of window managers for use in digital signage.
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> ghoti: software reccomends fit also in discuss
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> or offtopic
[16:36] <tomreyn> ghoti: digital signage, signing what how?
[16:36] <ghoti> offtopic scares me a little, with the "touchy subjects" list on the Guidelines page. :)
[16:36] <daftykins> tomreyn: screens in shop windows, for example
[16:36] <daftykins> why have a WM at all? you just need a program starting with X :>
[16:36] <ghoti> Signage, as in a big screen TV, or four of them in a video wall configuration, alternating between rendered HTML and videos in mplayer.
[16:36] <tomreyn> daftykins: :-P
[16:36] <ghoti> (not necessarily mplayer, but that's what I've used before.)
[16:37] <tomreyn> oh, you were serious
[16:37] <tomreyn> i was thinking crypto
[16:37] <ghoti> understandible, if that's closer to your focus. :)
[16:37] <daftykins> tomreyn: would i lie to you? ;)
[16:38] <tomreyn> most likely not!
[16:40] <ghoti> At any rate .. I've found that twm seems to prompt for window placement even if I use `-geometry`; I wonder whether a tiling wm would make sense, as it would be more likely not to assume I want mouse interaction, but I've only used spectrwm.
[16:41] <ghoti> Other recommendations I see are for fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, but I'm hoping someone might be able to lend me a little perspective before I go on my own time-conusming journey.
[16:42] <daftykins> surprised there isn't an off the shelf solution yet given the number of folk i see talking about signage setups
[16:42] <daftykins> only ever see it done badly such as at my local supermarket with a huge update prompt coming up from a Windows taskbar xD
[16:47] <tomreyn> i've never done this, so can't really recommend anything. other than ensuring you have a nyancat screensaver,
[16:47] <daftykins> :D
[16:50] <tomreyn> if i was going to build a new solution nowadays, i'd probably look into whether this can already be achieved with wayland first of all. then realize its too early for that, and fall back to X, spend 6 hours searching the web, try 5 different solutions, and find that all of them suck one or the other way.
[16:50] <daftykins> YOLD!
[16:50]  * daftykins hides
[16:50] <tomreyn> that's just a guess, though.
[16:52] <tomreyn> oh look, mr. worth-a-shuttle got you covered https://www.ubuntu.com/internet-of-things/digital-signage
[17:03] <tomreyn> actually i did somehting like digital signage years ago. ended up spawning just a web browser in full screen mode and controlling the web pages it shows with a frameset and meta refresh. there are probably better way to do this nowadays (websockets or something).
[17:04] <tomreyn> https://xibo.org.uk/ is an open source system, but they discontinued the ubuntu players
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: The current leading FOSS digital signage project still does that from what I last saw a year ago... simple is the best approach
[17:16] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: which one is that?
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> I think it's this one... I lost the link with the harddrive crash
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> http://www.binaryemotions.com/digital-signage/raspberry-digital-signage/
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> the screen shots look familiar, but I don't remember it being donation ware
[17:19] <tomreyn> it says GPL on the bottom of theis page.
[17:20] <ghoti> daftykins: there's an off-the-shelf solution geared towards raspberry pi called "screenly" which is built on raspbian with uzbl as the browser. But that won't work for me for a variety of reasons...
[17:20] <tomreyn> http://www.binaryemotions.com/wp-content/uploads/rds-admin.png looks a bit old and incomplete.
[17:33] <pauljw> hi everyone
[19:06] <hispeed_m> someone here :)
[19:07] <hispeed_m> hellooo
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> hispeed_m: whats going on?
[19:07] <hispeed_m> drinking a beer and get a emby .pfx certificate to work
[19:07] <hispeed_m> made with beer :D ^^ and in your house what's up?
[19:09] <hispeed_m> benelux :D? you're still in at soccer championship
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> hispeed_m: this channel is for ubuntu discuss, perhaps you might find more glory in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[19:10] <hispeed_m> wooops yes :D i joined both, sorry :D
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> from silent main to active support today
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: ??
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: this morning was pretty dead
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: now its rolling :p
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> !uwn
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> new episode is out
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> have a read guys
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> tnx to the uwn guys
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: only rolling because as one gets help, more believe they can get help too?
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: hmm yeah good idea, or..timezones switch :p
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> think its also weather related and release related
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> release?
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> like bionic release, more support needed for example
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, but that release was a couple months ago
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: what do you think of 18.04.1 and xenial lts upgrades? big storm or not?
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> minimal... those who were patient enough to wait will be in good standing
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> ioria is a champ... I couldn't do that level of hand holding
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> im done too
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> too much is too much
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> and i dislike dualboots anyway
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> as do I... I use separate drives, and use the bios to switch which drive boots
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> I install all OS's without the other drives connected... then when done, connect all drives, set which one is default if I miss the bios prompt
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> im too oldskool, want 1 Os on 1 machine
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> I havne't done a dual boot in a very long time... I've been perfectly happy using VMs inside a host
[21:14] <Trident_Barclay> I managed (mainly with the help of ubuntu room) to get dual boot ubuntu with windows 10 at last
[21:17] <ducasse> !yay
[21:18] <Trident_Barclay> :D
[21:18] <Trident_Barclay> Windows 10 and my bios made it hard
[21:18] <Trident_Barclay> but we got there