[00:03] <holywater> Mead: i have never seen a computer capable of booting through SD
[00:03] <holywater> granted, you can use that card along with an USB adapter
[00:05] <Mead> I have an old nettop that booted nicely from an SD card
[00:06] <Mead> basically I need a bootloader to install to the USB flash drive that will point to the SD card.
[00:06] <jje> Mead: maybe see https://www.supergrubdisk.org
[00:19] <Mead> nope that didn't seem to work
[00:34] <DeHackEd> trying to install 18.04 into a directory for chroot using debootstrap. it downloads and verifies a bunch of packages, says "I: Extracting base-files..." and then exits with an error code. any suggestions?
[00:36] <DeHackEd> running debootstrap-1.0.106ubuntu1 which I downloaded no an hour ago
[00:54] <qwebirc5870> I have a issue regarding login loop. Recently i upgraded to 18.04 and after that I'm getting login loop . I tried many solutions but it was not helpful. .Xauthority thing i did but no luck. I tried reinstalling lightdm,my graphics,unity  but same problem.
[00:54] <qwebirc5870> Can any one help me
[00:57] <qwebirc5870> Quit
[00:57] <qwebirc5870> Exit
[00:59] <guiverc> qwebirc5870, i'd suggest switching to a terminal, logging in there to ensure you have disk space (on $HOME or your user directory; for temporary gui files).  if the space isn't there you get logged out & login loop
[00:59] <amazoniantoad> The fans on my laptop wont turn on
[01:16] <TheSov> anyone here?
[01:17] <Xcytre> I'm here, but just a novice. ;)
[01:18] <TheSov> damn i need a "not a novice" no offense
[01:18] <Xcytre> haha... no offense taken. just curious - what kind of problem are you having?
[01:18] <TheSov> my ubuntu 18.04 loop mounts from ubuntu snaps wont dismount
[01:18] <TheSov> I want to know how to fix that
[01:19] <Xcytre> Ah.. i had a lot of trouble upgrading to 18.04.  I am holding at 17.10.
[01:20] <Jakeukalane_> Hi. I want to know how to look at data on external USB and HDD since I am copying some files and it is very slow and I do not know what the problem may be
[01:20] <Jakeukalane_> I mean, a command to see the status of usb / HDD external
[01:21] <Jakeukalane_> the current rate of copy is 118 K/bs
[01:22] <guiverc> Xcytre, how did you attempt upgrade?  do-release-upgrade or other?
[01:22] <Xcytre> yes do-release-upgrade
[01:22] <guiverc> what was/were the issue(s)?  (upgrading to 18.04)
[01:23] <Xcytre> I have an old laptop.  It stopped trying to load gnome.
[01:26] <guiverc> Xcytre, if you have the disk space; you could always load XFCE or another lighter DEsktop on it  (there are costs; but yes gnome is rather heavy)
[01:27] <Xcytre> thanks - I don't know how to change make that change during the installation.
[01:31] <guiverc> it's not done during installation; if you want to install xfce during installation you use Xubuntu; but you can add other DEs to your machine once installed  (what I was trying to talk about)
[01:39] <Xcytre> OK - Thanks
[01:47] <tomreyn> TheSov: you don't unmount them, they remain mounted as long as they're installed.
[01:48] <ThugLife> yooo
[01:49] <THUGx> yoo
[01:49] <THUGx> im having a lil problem
[01:50] <THUGx> i updated something and after i rebooted my network manager doesnt work right...
[01:50] <THUGx> now im using a live os
[01:51] <THUGx> both wireless and ethernet dont work
[01:52] <tomreyn> it might be helpful to discuss what 'something' is, which ubuntu release you're running, which non standard configurations and hardware you have.
[01:52] <guiverc> THUGx, what did you update?  something specific (edit a file or other) or normal `apt upgrade`
[01:53] <THUGx> i didnt know what it was, i updated it from "ubunto store" what ever its called
[01:54] <THUGx> *_*
[01:54] <THUGx> and when i type iwconfig the wireless module doesnt appear
[01:55] <zmugg> help me plz guys
[01:55] <tomreyn> !details | zmugg
[01:56] <zmugg> ok
[01:56] <zmugg> i need any tool for linux root my phone,
[01:59] <tomreyn> zmugg: this is a bit off-topic here. i suggest you seek help from a community dedicated to your phone first of all. if it's an android phone, there are adb and heimdall for managing your phone from ubuntu.
[01:59] <tomreyn> /join #android
[01:59] <zmugg> thx
[02:00] <THUGx> any ideas guys? :/
[02:01] <jamie1> hey, any ideas why when the audio threads open on firefox they are muted?
[02:01] <tomreyn> THUGx: well, you didnt give us much to work with. i asked a couple questions, most of which you left unanswered.
[02:01] <guiverc> THUGx, do you have idea what type of program you installed from the store??   (I can't see how it could impact your wireless; outside of it being hardware & just co-incidence)
[02:02] <jamie1> eg on youtube when listening to music when the song ends it closes the audio channel then when the next song starts it opens a new audio channel and it
[02:02] <jamie1>  is muted
[02:03] <THUGx> im not quite sure if the update was the reason, but i didnt miss with anything to cause that problem
[02:05] <tomreyn> THUGx: is there any reason to assume that the hardware could have issues? has it been unreliable in the past, is it old?
[02:06] <THUGx> all i know the description was saying "security improve"
[02:06] <THUGx> nup its not the hardware
[02:06] <tomreyn> THUGx: can you open a terminal and tell us what this returns? lsb_release -ds
[02:06] <THUGx> im now using a live OS with the same hardware
[02:06] <tomreyn> oh okay then that doesn't make sense
[02:07] <THUGx> what is ofono?
[02:07] <tomreyn> so i just ask again: which ubuntu version do you have installed?
[02:07] <THUGx> 16.04 LTS
[02:07] <tomreyn> where do you read "ofono"?
[02:08] <THUGx> also i was getting a "warn" when running systemctl status Network-Manager
[02:08] <tomreyn> and how's this related to this issue?
[02:09] <tomreyn> do you know what this warning said?
[02:09] <THUGx> can u wait like 2-3 mins? im gonna send you the output
[02:10] <tomreyn> sure
[02:10] <THUGx> but i need to reboot first
[02:10] <tomreyn> do you have a smartphone you could access the chat with?
[02:11] <THUGx> yea
[02:12] <tomreyn> it might be good to have this second option to talk so you dont need to reboot all the time
[02:12] <THUGx> installing mutter
[02:13] <THUGx> rebooting now
[02:20] <thuglife_> yo
[02:20] <mtdms> how to have php5 in my repositories? i dont wanna have php7 i want php5
[02:20] <mtdms> i tryied downloading .deb but i dont wanna have dependencies problems, i would like apt
[02:21] <mtdms> in my ubuntu
[02:21] <THUGx> Yooo
[02:21] <mtdms> because last versiones before i had php5
[02:21] <mtdms> i want it back in my ubuntu
[02:21] <mtdms> not 7
[02:22] <THUGx> its all good now, i tried advanced options when booting and tried another kernel and now it works fine :)
[02:23] <leftyfb> mtdms: why do you need php5?
[02:24] <mtdms> because i have really big problem with apache, i wanna use php, but it doesnt work, i think its because before php and apache were configured , but now i have to configure it and i try many things and i cant with the php7
[02:24] <mtdms> before i used to do just apt-get install php5 and apt-get install apache2
[02:25] <mtdms> i say it because its ubuntu
[02:25] <mtdms> repositories
[02:25] <qwebirc78897> hello
[02:25] <mtdms> there is something like ppa, right? i can add the php5 repositories
[02:26] <tomreyn> THUGx: is those are default ubuntu kernel images for your ubuntu release, then there's not really a good reason why one of them would give you proper networking and the other wouldn't. but i'm glad you got it working, for now.
[02:26] <qwebirc78897> @mtdms you can find every bugs and errors bro go to google and ubuntu forums you can find everything
[02:26] <leftyfb> mtdms: there is nothing wrong with php7. It works just fine for applications that are secure and fairly modern.
[02:27] <leftyfb> mtdms: Why do you say php7 doesn't work for you? What error are you getting? With what application?
[02:27] <leftyfb> qwebirc78897: can we help you with something?
[02:28] <THUGx> tomreyn: idk why but i was having that problem with 4.15, used 4.13 and worked fine, anyways thanks :D
[02:28] <qwebirc78897> yes
[02:28] <tomreyn> THUGx: ok, good luck then.
[02:29] <mtdms> that is why im asking qwebirc78897, because i already tryied what you say.
[02:29] <leftyfb> qwebirc78897: please explain your ubuntu support question in detail and preferably only one line
[02:29] <leftyfb> mtdms: Why do you say php7 doesn't work for you? What error are you getting? With what application?
[02:29] <qwebirc78897> i want install all tools and needed tools for hacking same python and perl and all tools from kali linux i need in ubuntu
[02:29] <mtdms> white page, it shows nothing
[02:29] <leftyfb> mtdms: which application?
[02:30] <mtdms> php in my ubuntu, local http server, apache
[02:30] <qwebirc78897> same armitage and metasploit and websploit and others
[02:30] <leftyfb> mtdms: right, what php application are you trying to run?
[02:30] <mtdms> any .php
[02:30] <leftyfb> qwebirc78897: That's not supported here. Good luck
[02:30] <mtdms> i know its php not ubuntu, but i only have this problem in my ubuntu
[02:31] <leftyfb> mtdms: did you try a phpinfo page?
[02:31] <mtdms> yes
[02:31] <mtdms> it appears white
[02:31] <leftyfb> mtdms: and what error did you get?
[02:31] <leftyfb> mtdms: in your apache logs
[02:31] <qwebirc78897> @leftyfb can you tell me have another IRC chat for hackers ?
[02:31] <mtdms> any .php appears white page, some guys here in irc say its because i need to configure apache for running php7
[02:32] <leftyfb> qwebirc78897: Also not supported here. Good luck
[02:32] <qwebirc78897> okey thank you <3
[02:32] <mtdms> i ask here in ubuntu because i wish having as before just apt-get install php5 in my repositories, but you say its not php7 right? nor problem with that
[02:33] <leftyfb> mtdms: forget about php5. That's not going to help you. It's also unsupported and insecure
[02:33] <mtdms> so i need to run it with php7
[02:34] <mtdms> some guys here say problem is with apache and php
[02:34] <mtdms> so i will try in httpd channel
[02:34] <mtdms> another question, im new here in irc, how can i register to go into the channel?
[02:34] <leftyfb> !register | mtdms
[02:34] <leftyfb> mtdms: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:34] <guiverc> mtdms, php5 is supported by 12.04 ESM, but 12.04 ESM is not on-topic here...
[02:35] <qwebirc78897> anyone can help me which way i can reset my ubuntu ? i want delete all my personal file
[02:36] <mtdms> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[02:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc78897: create a new user and delete your old one
[02:36] <qwebirc78897> it's all ?
[02:36] <qwebirc78897> thank you i doing it
[02:37] <leftyfb> mtdms: apt list --installed|grep php | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:38] <mtdms> thanks for your support
[02:38] <mtdms> so i will try to run php7, problem is not 5 in my ubuntu right
[02:38] <mtdms> thanks a lot
[02:39] <THUGx> how can i rename a module? for example i want to change "enp0s29u1u2c4i2" to "eth0"
[02:39] <leftyfb> mtdms: do you want help?
[02:40] <leftyfb> THUGx: https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/mini-howtos/change-default-network-name-ens33-to-old-eth0-on-ubuntu-16-04.html
[02:40] <mtdms> yes, what is it?
[02:40] <mtdms> apt list --installed|grep php | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:40] <THUGx> thanks leftyfb
[02:40] <leftyfb> mtdms: run that and copy/paste the termin.com URL it gives you here
[02:41] <mtdms> hey bro
[02:41] <mtdms> omg im happy
[02:41] <mtdms> it already runs
[02:41] <leftyfb> mtdms: huh?
[02:41] <mtdms> php7 works fine in my ubuntu
[02:41] <mtdms> i dont know why
[02:42] <mtdms> thanks a lot bro
[02:43] <mtdms> thank you so much :)
[02:43] <Bitcoiner69> I'm getting error -115 when mounting, is there anything wrong with my fstab? https://pastebin.com/raw/9XAPnqsJ
[02:44] <oerheks> maybe a dirty filesystem, use fsck to find out
[02:44] <leftyfb> oerheks: cifs?
[02:44] <leftyfb> Bitcoiner69: can you try mounting it manually?
[02:45] <tomreyn> does /media/winshare exist?
[02:46] <Bitcoiner69> yeah it exists let me manually try and mount
[02:47] <Bitcoiner69> same thing when manually mounting just saying -115 as the return code
[02:51] <leftyfb> Bitcoiner69: to troubleshoot, I would see if I can ping the host, nmap the cifs port to make sure it's open and listening, maybe lsof of the cifs server side to make sure. Then use smbclient to browse the host for shares. Then look at the logs on the cifs server to see what it's saying
[02:51] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: can you try iocharset=utf8 (with the 8)?
[02:54] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: also try --verbose:   mount -t cifs //192.168.0.3/Movies /media/winshare --verbose -o 'username=LNX-OVD-01,password=password,iocharset=utf8'
[02:56] <Bitcoiner69> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/h2UhAIT.png
[03:01] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: everything i find on the internet suggests that it is likely a networking / firewalling issue and that you should do what leftyfb suggested.
[03:03] <tomreyn> smbclient is another way to verify that the connection can be established (though it might use / prefer different ports, so that's not a fully reliable test)
[03:05] <Bitcoiner69> yeah im trying to give it a go now
[03:08] <Oriyon> speaker testing fails frequently  on bionic . .. i dont get any sound .. though by this only moc player suffers . if speaker testing gives output then everything runs fine..
[03:09] <Oriyon> its aplay -l  output ..  https://hastebin.com/piteyizamo.vbs
[03:11] <Oriyon> speaker-test output ..https://hastebin.com/sanezajuqe.sql
[03:29] <Bitcoiner69> tomreyn: i just pinged 192.168.0.3 and it just keeps telling me destination host unreachable
[03:29] <Bitcoiner69> ufw is disabled now as well
[03:30] <Bitcoiner69> Let me just make you aware, 192.168.0.3 is a windows server that runs this ubuntu virtual machine inside hyper-v
[03:30] <Bitcoiner69> and this virtual machine has the ip 192.168.0.5
[03:34] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: well, then i guess windows isn't allowing the traffic
[03:34] <oerheks> then your cifs mount would be *.5
[03:35] <oerheks>  mount -t cifs //192.168.0.5/Movies /media/winshare --verbose -o 'username=LNX-OVD-01,password=password,iocharset=utf8'
[03:36] <tomreyn> wait, .5 is the vm, but Bitcoiner69 is trying to mount, on the vm, a share from the windows host which has .3
[03:36] <Bitcoiner69> oerheks: sorry if i didn't make that , the samba share is on the 192.168.0.3 (host)
[03:37] <tomreyn> oerheks: i'd say .3 is correct then?
[03:37] <oerheks> is the vm smb share connected to a smb on the host too?
[03:37] <oerheks> i hoped it would be nutral
[03:38] <Bitcoiner69> well thats what I'm trying to sort out because I won't even get a ping from the host machine from the virtual machine which doesn't make much sense but i guess i'll have to try something else
[03:40] <Bitcoiner69> i'll spin up a fresh virtual machine and see if it can contact the host
[03:41] <li> hello
[03:45] <dhfj> a catastrophe
[03:46] <dhfj> i upgraded to 18.04, and now i can only type ascii letters in my apps
[03:46] <dhfj> excapt only few... like terminal an dfirefox ñññññññ
[03:47] <dhfj> update.... kde aps are fine too
[03:48] <linux> lianjei
[03:48] <linux> lianjie buhsang
[03:48] <dhfj> help??
[03:48] <linux> There is no internet
[03:49] <linux> help
[03:50] <dhfj> where are the support people?
[03:54] <RtMF> hctl
[03:54] <RtMF> hope calls to love
[03:57] <guiverc_d> dhfj, i don't understand; my keyboard only contains ascii characters so I'd expect to be only able to type ascii chars..  do you mean you use another language that's disappeared?
[03:58] <tomreyn> dhfj: try this https://websiteforstudents.com/configure-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-keyboard-layout-for-native-languages/
[03:58] <fs_> dd
[03:58] <fs_> hello
[03:58] <dhfj> the letters, the keyboard types them, but either plain letters are inserted, or nothing
[03:59] <fs_> you renma
[03:59] <tomreyn> fs_: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[03:59] <fs_> yes
[03:59] <dhfj> i press altgr+~, nothing happens, then N, and n is typed instead of ñ
[03:59] <fs_> can you help me
[04:00] <tomreyn> !ask | fs_
[04:00] <dhfj> in gtk2 and gtk3, not in firefox or qt
[04:00] <fs_> i am form  China
[04:00] <fs_> and you
[04:01] <tomreyn> fs_: we only do ubuntu support here. what's your question?
[04:01] <dhfj> guiverc_d: yes, all special letters disappeared, in bionic
[04:02] <tomreyn> dhfj: did you see the link i posted?
[04:02] <guiverc_d> dhfj, i don't know what alt + ~ do; i'm guessing it varies by app so I don't know what you mean.
[04:03] <dhfj> tomreyn: that is not related to my problem, keyboard is fine
[04:04] <dhfj> guiverc_d: dead tilde, it works, but the letter not
[04:04] <Ben64> it's a keyboard layout problem for sure
[04:04] <dhfj> keyboard types letters áéíñ
[04:04] <dhfj> gtk applications see aein insterad
[04:05] <dhfj> same keyboard, different windows
[04:05] <Ben64> keyboard *layout* problem, not keyboard problem
[04:05] <dhfj> worked in aadvvark
[04:05] <tomreyn> so this has something to do with dead keys
[04:06] <dhfj> altgr+n doesn't work too, not a dead key
[04:06] <tomreyn> so which keyboard layout do you have there?
[04:06] <guiverc_d> dhfj, i'm a dumb aussie, barely speak english, so know nothing - maybe this will help (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030248/how-to-set-alternative-characters-key-in-ubuntu-18-04)
[04:07] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys I keep trying to install ubuntu 15.04 server on this pc with a xeon processor. The instillation goes fine up until I have to parition disks. It asks for me to configure iSCSI volumes...I don't know what that is but I have like 6 hard drives in this tower. Is there any way I can just install it directly on the disks instead of trying to point it to some other machine on the network?
[04:08] <dhfj> "english us intl with dead keys altgr"
[04:08] <tomreyn> !15.04 | amazoniantoad
[04:08] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: so what do you suggest I do? Try to install the server edition of the most recent release?
[04:09] <guiverc_d> amazoniantoad, use a supported version of Ubuntu, 14.04 LTS (nearly EOL), 16.04 LTS, or 18.04 LTS (version = year.month; 5 years support for LTS versions)
[04:09] <tomreyn> dhfj: that's what your pysical keyboard is or what you have configured in settings -> region & language?
[04:10] <guiverc_d> amazoniantoad, I didn't mentioned 17.10 because it's EOL later this month :)  (17.10 = 2017.October; only even years are LTS)
[04:10] <dhfj> generic 105 keys
[04:10] <tomreyn> dhfj: english us intl, too? or something else?
[04:10] <dhfj> *generic 105 keys intl
[04:11] <dhfj> i added greek keyboard, and it doesn't type greek letters at all, only digits and pucntuation
[04:12] <oerheks> amazoniantoad, if you want updates, and support, yes
[04:12] <sword_> hallo
[04:12] <dhfj> but in the terminal, works fine
[04:12] <bapa> dhfj: I recall having a similar issue, but with the Russian keyboard. Logging out and back in fixed it for me, so it might for it for your Greek.
[04:12] <dhfj> dasdasdasδσαδασδασ
[04:13] <dhfj> i relogged, and rebooted, still i can type only ascii
[04:13] <tomreyn> dhfj: it's not clear which of my questions you're responding to when, so i just suggest you take a screenshot of what this looks like on your end https://websiteforstudents.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ubuntu_keyboard_layout_1.png and post it to imgur.com and the url here. and then say again which layout your actual keyboard has.
[04:14] <bapa> dhfj: also what happens if you click the language switcher tray icon and hit "Show keyboard layout"?
[04:14] <dhfj> bapa: i see the layout
[04:15] <bapa> dhfj: like I said, did you logout and back in?
[04:15] <dhfj> yes
[04:15] <bapa> no dice?
[04:15] <dhfj> nope
[04:15] <bapa> it's also possible when you logout that random daemons are still running in the background. and maybe they still have the old state.
[04:16] <bapa> my only guess after that would be to go runlevel 1, and then runlevel 5. or to reboot and see what happens
[04:16] <bapa> cuz I know mozc tends to not die even at runlevel 1, and I could see something similar causing issues with other input methods.
[04:16] <oerheks> dhfj, did you run updates after that?
[04:17] <dhfj> yes?
[04:18] <bapa> jeez man, I really am an #ubuntu fellow. I just recommend "login and out. also reboot". I hate myself.
[04:18] <bapa> hmm, greek keyboard seems to work for me though :C
[04:18] <bapa> what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[04:18] <bapa> because I'm on 18.04 LTS
[04:18] <bapa> λκαξσδφλκξφοιξλκξΣΔΦΛΚΞΣΔΦΓΣΕ
[04:19] <dhfj> http://tinypic.com/r/2lvobxe/9
[04:19] <dhfj> 18.04
[04:19] <dhfj> tomreyn: ^
[04:20] <tomreyn> i had similar issues in the past and pressing and releasing all of ctrl (on both sides), shift (on both sides), alt, altgr, super, menu key a couple times solved it.
[04:20] <tomreyn> huh, which desktop is this?
[04:20] <dhfj> mate?
[04:20] <tomreyn> ah, somehow i was thinking you were running gnome 3
[04:21] <dhfj> good joke
[04:21] <bapa> tomreyn: that looks different from what I used to configure my language/keyboard. I went to a thingy called "Language and Region", and added Other->Greek from there
[04:22] <bapa> Then again, I guess that might only work for Gnome 3
[04:22] <dhfj> why keyboard layout, keyboard is F I N E
[04:22] <dhfj> i have 2 windows side by side, in one áéñ, in other aen
[04:23] <Ben64> because when you type stuff and it doesn't come out as expected, it's keyboard layout
[04:23] <tomreyn> bapa: you mean this looks different than what you have https://websiteforstudents.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ubuntu_keyboard_layout_1.png or what or what dhfj posted?
[04:23] <dhfj> left one, sigil, right one, gedit
[04:23] <bapa> yeah, that's the thingy I used
[04:23] <bapa> I hit the "+" and went to Other->Greek
[04:23] <oerheks> 2 keyboard layouts in 2 windows ?¿
[04:24] <dhfj> same layout, 2 windows
[04:24] <dhfj> all gtk apps, cannot type
[04:24] <dhfj> terminal firefox qt can type
[04:25] <tomreyn> so its gtk3 related
[04:25] <dhfj> probably?
[04:26] <bapa> tomreyn: are you using ibus or fcitx?
[04:26] <tomreyn> neither
[04:27] <bapa> also yeah, that stupid "works only in some apps" thing pisses me off in distros. I hate it when I can't type alternate langs in random apps.
[04:27] <tomreyn> bapa: just a keyboard ü keyboard layout with accented characters. but i don't have any issues.
[04:28] <joesoep> hoy\
[04:31] <joesoep> ha youtube
[04:31] <bapa> Gosh darn it ubuntu. why do you randomly break all the time. I can't even logout.
[04:32] <Mead> so I got booted in the lubuntu that is installed on the SD card using the super grub 2 beta, now I need help installing a proper bootloader to the USB stick.  Can anyone give me guidance on how to accomplish this?
[04:42] <tomreyn> dhfj: so that's not the ideal solution, but i suggest you install ubuntu-desktop, log in there once, just to update your keyboard layout there, too, and get back to mate. chances are this would work.
[04:44] <tomreyn> Mead: to install gurb on your usb drive, you just run grub-install against it.
[04:44] <Rainyaviel> What just happened
[04:45] <tomreyn> Rainyaviel: you logged onto IRC, on the Freenode IRC network, in the #ubuntu channel.
[04:45] <Rainyaviel> I just joined, what is the problem?
[04:45] <Rainyaviel> I joined this room?
[04:46] <tomreyn> you did.
[04:47] <oerheks> you left 10 minutes ago, pingout .
[04:47] <Rainyaviel> 00:42 < tomreyn> dhfj: so that's not the ideal solution, but i suggest you install ubuntu-desktop, log in there once, just to update your keyboard layout there, too, and get back to mate. chances are this would  work.
[04:48] <Rainyaviel> oerheks: I was never here to begin with
[04:48] <Mead> Rainyaviel:  short version,  I have system that doesn't boot directly from an SD card, I installed linux to the SD card, I'm using a USB flash drive to hold the boot loader and pointing it towards the SD card.
[04:49] <oerheks> Rainyaviel, sorry, mixup
[04:49] <Bitcoiner69> tomreyn: i just found out that bloody hyper v doesn't let you make contact with the host unless you setup an internal virtual switch which is then on another ip in the network... very confusing stuff
[04:50] <oerheks> Mead, what laptop / machine is that?
[04:50] <Rainyaviel> Mead: k
[04:50] <Rainyaviel> You can do funny stuff like if the BIOS supports it
[04:50] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: i see how that's confusing. it's probably safe, though.
[04:50] <Mead> I've booted into lubuntu, via off the shelf emergency bootloader (super grub 2 beta) and now I want to install a proper bootloader on the usb flash to tidy up the install.
[04:51] <tomreyn> Bitcoiner69: you wouldn't want every VM to be able to talk to the host on the network.
[04:51] <Rainyaviel> But mostly on laptops
[04:51] <Bitcoiner69> very true
[04:52] <Bitcoiner69> It was just that there is no clear option to setup host to vm connections
[04:52] <Bitcoiner69> oh well I won't ever need to touch that again
[04:53] <Mead> oerheks: some little HP laptop with a dualcore AMD APU, screen is damaged and the HDD was bad.
[04:55] <bapa> sigh.
[04:55] <bapa> so, ibus has no qt5 module apparently, so I can't use it in a lot of apps. but then, fcitx is completely broken on Ubuntu...
[04:55] <Rainyaviel> When my HardDrive died, I use as the boot drive and SD card for data
[04:55] <Rainyaviel> On my laptop
[04:56] <Rainyaviel> I use USB Drive*
[04:57] <Mead> heh, years ago I had an old laptop booting from a grub CD pointing towards a external USB HDD.  I've done this before, just not very often.
[05:00] <Mead> but to be fair I was sorta disapointed it wouldn't boot directly from the SD card, it had a built in reader HP just didn't want to bother adding the functionality.
[05:01] <Rainyaviel> Mead: There is places still use old hardware
[05:02] <bapa> gosh, why isn't there an ibus-qt5 module :(
[05:05] <nikolam> I got stuck with synaptic, while installing ZFS packages. I have one old and one new ZFS pool on separate disks. Seems it is stuck on zfs-import-scan.service is disabled or static unit, not starting
[05:05] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/fb009e4816c9
[05:08] <nikolam> It is just hanging there and I am afraid I couldn't boot next time I restart (I am booting off from Btrfs)
[05:10] <nikolam> since it is choking and halting even the install process
[05:13] <Rainyaviel> nikolam: I don't anything about ZFS
[05:14] <Rainyaviel> nikolam: You really this room is the best place to ask that question? Who is a zfs users
[05:15] <oerheks> Rainyaviel, pretty good place to ask
[05:16] <nikolam> Rainyaviel, YES, since ZFS and initramfs to boot from it are included in Ubunut and obviously Ubuntu have some bug with it.
[05:17] <oerheks> zfs can be used as storagepool, installing ubuntu on it needs a different manual https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[05:18] <nikolam> Didn't have problem even during the install before. It may be some previous trying to disable it on boot, because it disables normal system boot if there is some even older version of ZFS pool present.
[05:19] <nikolam> it is stuck during install on: "zfs-import-scan.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it."
[05:33] <fs_> i
[05:33] <HaMsTeRs> Hi guys, is it possible to change my left panel (with icons) looks like pantheon at the bottome of the screen?
[05:33] <jnewt> need help fixing grub.  when i start, i get option to boot my live disk partition, to install linux but neither my ubuntu installation or windows are available.  if i drop into the command line, i can type exit and it boots windows.  i can boot the live disk partition and run os-prober and see the two installations, i can then do update-grub and get an error about canonical path of /cow
[05:33] <HaMsTeRs> or at least is it possible not max the size of the tool bar
[05:34] <jnewt> i don't know where to go from here
[05:37] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I lock TTY1 when waking up the laptop? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[05:38] <AluCio> hey guys i need help i have a list.txt with scores about students, the format is, studant: 15.18 	name: larissa 	score: 10 	(9ª) i need edit all the file, to put just name anda score like it -> larissa:10 someone can help me?
[05:39] <AluCio> studant:    15.18      name: larissa      score: 10    (9ª)
[05:57] <tomreyn> AluCio: are you asking #debian and us to do your homework by chance?
[05:59] <AluCio> no
[05:59] <AluCio> tomreyn I need to organize the files for the other program you need
[06:00] <AluCio> ops
[06:00] <AluCio> I need to organize the files for the other program, because the new programa accept just this format
[06:01] <AluCio> but I could not do it
[06:04] <tomreyn> AluCio: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mQryfhPHB2/
[06:04] <rgom3> j ubuntu-BR
[06:08] <AluCio> tomreyn thanksss
[06:08] <AluCio> i try too cat log | cut -d " " -f4,6 | sed 's/ /:/'
[06:08] <AluCio> its work
[06:08] <AluCio> but thanks
[06:08] <AluCio> =D
[06:11] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I lock TTY1 when waking up the laptop? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[06:32] <i`> ls
[06:33] <nikolam> mojtaba, maybe vlock -a ?
[07:05] <iced-tea> anyone know how to get this dock? https://www.deviantart.com/dlkreations/art/Desktop-9-12-10-179023830
[07:05] <iced-tea> I really like to customize my linux looks like this
[07:07] <ducasse> iced-tea: contact the guy who made it?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> iced-tea: looks like the E from elive
[07:07] <iced-tea> i dunno
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> iced-tea: and yes, put a comment to that theme as ducasse suggested
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> iced-tea: think its an enlightment-based Os
[07:10] <PhoenyxCullen> Would it be better to let Ubuntu do all my SSH than windows?
[07:11] <iced-tea> I'm not sure.  But the post was from 2010.  never thought of 2010 could produce such nice theme
[07:13] <PhoenyxCullen> post?
[07:13] <ducasse> PhoenyxCullen: ssh clients? can't really see why the os would matter
[07:14] <PhoenyxCullen> This idea came to me when cygwin and msys2 and git-4-win was failing to let me set up openssh (permission denied). I know this channel does not supprot those things, but they aren't responding. So I changed the question for in here.
[07:14] <PhoenyxCullen> SSH server
[07:25] <goutam> hello
[07:28] <PhoenyxCullen> And... no answer.
[07:32] <qwebirc16821> Hello There
[07:33] <qwebirc16821> Hi
[07:52] <Gamsuners> Hi. I have an upstart job located at: /etc/init/ftp-auto-move.conf. Basically I want it so when the system starts up, it starts the vsftpd service, and executes my shell script, all while leaving the terminal open so I can see it. But it doesn't even appear my script is getting run (did another command that touches a new file, the file didn't get created on startup): http://pastebin.com/raw?i=R915581d
[07:53] <arunkumar413> Just trying ubuntu live cd on mac mini. But the wireless card isn't detected
[07:59] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I lock TTY1 when waking up the laptop? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[08:00] <everson> Hi all. Any way to check what the maximum resolution my graphics card supports via command line diagnostic/
[08:00] <everson> ?
[08:04] <Gamsuners> I even tried putting the command in /etc/init.d/ in a .sh script, chmod +x'd it, but still nothing.
[08:05] <arunkumar413> everson: what's your card?
[08:06] <arunkumar413> Nvidia?
[08:07] <arunkumar413> everson: try lshw
[08:07] <everson> arunkumar413, I believe it's an intel hd 4000 (on-board GPU in a 2012 lenovo x230)
[08:07] <stevenm_> hey i've manually partitioned (to keep my existing partitions) an ext4 /boot and a luks/lvm area for root and swap... then told the installer to use the pre-unlocked (luks) and already available lvm lv's of /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg--root to install into
[08:08] <stevenm_> trouble is grub doesn't boot - i just get busy box ... i've tried reinstalling it from a chroot a few times no luck
[08:08] <stevenm_> i'm guessing i've got to tell grub (somehow) that it is needs to do the unlocking - any ideas how>
[08:08] <stevenm_> ?
[08:08] <everson> arunkumar413, thanks - I see under Display it says "product: 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller"
[08:08] <stevenm_> its not anything i can see in /etc/default/grub
[08:11] <Gamsuners> Damn I just cannot get this script to load on startup / login. Tried an upstart job, tried putting my script in /etc/init.d/, tried putting my script in /etc/profile.d/, nothing
[08:31] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I lock TTY1 when waking up the laptop? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[08:53] <Xethron> I've been having issues with multiple monitors on Ubuntu 18.04. When booting up, everything works fine. However, when locking the system, and the screens turn off, only one screen turns back on. If I unplug the screen thats on, it switches to the other screen again. Unplugging and replugging the screens sometimes gets them both working, or everything goes black and I need to restart. I generally just log off and back in then both screens are working
[08:53] <Xethron>  as they should.
[08:53] <Xethron> Dropping to tty enables both screen, or going to tty1 shows both screens. But tty2 only shows one screen or everything black... The mouse generally shows up when its black, and sometimes even both screens will be on and I can see the mouse move, but the entire system seems to have "crashed" as the mouse pointer changes based on what its hovering over. But doing Super+L doesn't seem to lock after it goes black.
[08:54] <Xethron> Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone know how to fix this? Using a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04 on a ROG GR8 II with a NVIDIA Corporation GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] (rev a1). I used both the NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-390 (proprietary, tested) and the Nouveau driver, and they both have the same problem.
[09:03] <pax_rhos> hello
[09:03] <pax_rhos> I've installed some updates recently
[09:04] <pax_rhos> and now the system is almost useless
[09:04] <pax_rhos> chromium tabs keep falling
[09:04] <pax_rhos> skype keeps restarting on its own
[09:05] <pax_rhos> and even in phpstorm if I open a search - there's a high possibility of a crash
[09:05] <pax_rhos> why did suddenly everything become so crashy?
[09:05] <pax_rhos> how to fix that?
[09:05] <pax_rhos> I've checked the disk, the disk is okay
[09:08] <EriC^> pax_rhos: try an older kernel to see if that helps
[09:09] <pax_rhos> EriC^: how to do that?
[09:09] <EriC^> pax_rhos: look at "dmesg" for any clues, and start the programs from the terminal to see error messages
[09:09] <EriC^> pax_rhos: in grub go to advanced > choose an older kernel
[09:09] <pax_rhos> EriC^: ah, that probably won't work, I did `autoremove`
[09:10] <EriC^> pax_rhos: it should keep 1 other kernel
[09:10] <multifractal> Unable to connect to the internet on 16. 04 - firefox and chrome say DNS_probe_finished_bad_config, or that google.co.uk is not secure. Until I turn on my VPN from network manager, now I'm able to connect OK
[09:10] <EriC^> pax_rhos: try "ls /boot/vmlinuz*"
[09:10] <pax_rhos> thanks
[09:10] <pax_rhos> just what I was about to ask
[09:10] <pax_rhos> yeah, two kernels
[09:11] <stevenm_> anyone here familiar with the manual steps likely needed for ubuntu on ext4 on lvm on luks on uefi/gpt ?  (yes i asked a question earlier, so no one needs to shout - just ask)
[09:13] <ohcibi> can someone tell me why these settings: https://gist.github.com/ohcibi/76ee3163dcacff5363ee468ed5ddc6a0 won't autologin me into xfce but only unity? it seems that ubuntu is ignoring it.. only when i disable autologin in unitys settings gui. the autologin can be disabled and xfce can be choosen as the default session.. but then of course there is no autologin.. so whats wrong there?
[09:28] <abdul_> Hey
[09:28] <abdul_> i am begginer to linux
[09:28] <abdul_> any tips guys ?
[09:57] <blackflow> If I want to add openbox as an alternative environment to log in, what exactly do I need to make it available from the gdm login? openbox-gnome-session installed as well?  Bionic...
[10:03] <sminez> is it possible/safe/a good idea to manually install openssl-1.0 alongside the 18.04 system version (1.1)?
[10:03] <blackflow> (nvm, I had to reboot (or restart some service) for openbox.desktop session to become available)
[10:03] <sminez> I'm trying to get qutebrowser to work correctly but it seems to complain that I need to have openssl-1.0 in order to be able to perform downloads for some reason...
[10:04] <oerheks> sminez, no. simple answer.
[10:04] <sminez> oerheks, yeah I was afraid of that
[10:05] <oerheks> one can install an old version and not updating..
[10:06] <oerheks> trusty would give 1.0.1.f https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/openssl
[10:07] <sminez> won't that stomp on the existing 1.1 install?
[10:07] <oerheks> install an old ubuntu , that is
[10:07] <sminez> ah
[10:07] <adrian_1908> sminez: the version in the ubuntu repo is too outdated, right? I'm surprised newer ones rely on openssl-1.0.
[10:08] <oerheks> no, i guess when you want to install qutebrowser, it will recieve updates/ dependencies
[10:08] <oerheks> adrian_1908, no, other way around, ubuntu is up2date
[10:08] <oerheks> the numbering is different
[10:08] <sminez> adrian_1908: the ubuntu repo version is a few minor point versions behind
[10:08] <sminez> git master is 1.4.0, ubuntu repo is 1.1.0
[10:09] <adrian_1908> oerheks: meant the version of qutebrowser in the beginning of my sentence, should have said that.
[10:09] <oerheks> 1.4.0 /??
[10:09] <oerheks> fud
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:25] <ec> hello
[10:40] <Duckpi> :-rr
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Duckpi: can we help you?
[10:41] <Duckpi> :resize-pane -D1
[10:42] <Duckpi> sorruy tring to use tmux
[10:42] <hans_> okay, weird,
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> Duckpi: try the #tmux channel perhaps
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> hans_: best to re-ask your issue with all details to the channel, so new joined volunteers van try to help, with your steps tryed
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> *can
[10:45] <hans_> i got an old 2004ish pc with a 32bit "Intel Celeron D 340" CPU, the 32bit version of 18.04 server worked fine, but the 32bit version of 16.04 won't show the main login terminal, it just shows a blinking icon in the corner of the screen. the system works fine, i can ssh into it, but the main login terminal won't show (but it did in 18.04), any suggestions on how to get the main terminal to show on 16.04?
[10:45] <hans_> maybe a "nomodeset" or something kernel boot parameter,
[10:46] <hans_> (which 18.04 didn't need, weird)
[10:47] <hans_> (and the installer had no problems with the display during installation)
[10:49] <hans_> huh
[10:50] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | hans_
[10:51] <oerheks> what happens if you do use it?
[10:51] <oerheks> and then install nvidia or something
[10:51] <hans_> actually, just removing "quiet splash" from /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT , running grub-update, and rebooting, fixed it. now im getting a terminal (i didn't add nomodeset )
[10:51] <BluesKaj> essktop?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> oops desktop?
[10:52] <hans_> me? no, it's purely running a terminal
[10:52] <hans_> headless server installation
[10:52] <BluesKaj> ok
[10:53] <BluesKaj> it's good to tell us about yuor setup before posing questions
[10:53] <oerheks> tell us your next problem, you solved?
[10:54] <hans_> my next problem is getting amdgpu drivers installed on 32bit ubuntu (that seems to be impossible on 18.04), but i haven't gotten started yet
[10:55] <raun0> Hi, I am very pleased if somebody can help me little bit. I have tried solved what desides that cryptroot boot script ask luks encryption password for root first. What I am trying to do is that I will store USB-stick encryption key on my /boot and my root encryption key in the USB-stick. In that way I will get paired devices. If I lost my stick, nobody can get my encryption keyfile. Problem is there that i can't encrypt USB first.
[10:56] <oerheks> tell us what driver is in use now? driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[10:56] <oerheks> i guess open radeon
[10:56] <hans_> it returns " Kernel driver in use: i915" - but i already reformatted to a clean 16.04 now
[10:57] <BluesKaj> that's your onboard intel gpu, probly need to activate the amd pci card in the bios peripherals or some such
[10:58] <hans_> yeah, but the gpu isn't inserted yet
[10:59] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[10:59] <oerheks> what makes you think amdgpu will... oh
[11:10] <hans_> oerheks, on 64bit ubuntu, you don't need to have an AMD GPU to install the amdgpu driver, just running `sudo apt install amdgpu` will suffice. i assume the situation is the same on 32bit ubuntu, but there seems to be source-code bugs for compiling the newest amdgpu driver on 32bit. (the C code erroneously does some casts to (uint64_t) where it should have been (uintptr_t), it uses %i for printing a 64bit integer, which works on 64bit but is
[11:10] <hans_> incorrect for 32bit, and several things like that.. seems 32bit supposed hasn't been maintained for some time)
[11:11] <hans_> s/supposed/support
[11:11] <pax_rhos> which one of pepper flash plugins is more actual?
[11:12] <pax_rhos> `browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash/bionic 0.3.5-1ubuntu7` or `pepperflashplugin-nonfree/bionic,now 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1`?
[11:12] <hans_> is there more than 1? .
[11:12] <oerheks> hans_, i have no idea where you get that from, it is wrong.
[11:12] <oerheks> pax, use the flash installer that comes with restricted extras
[11:13] <oerheks> or better, flash is dead, use html5
[11:13] <pax_rhos> oerheks: I don't know what you mean, I just noticed my chromium crashed with `[25849:25849:0709/135230.282731:ERROR:ppapi_thread.cc(310)] Failed to load Pepper module from /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so (error: /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)`
[11:15] <hans_> oerheks, > /var/lib/dkms/amdgpu/18.20-606296/build/amd/amdkfd/kfd_doorbell.c:110:11: warning: format ‘%lX’ expects argument of type ‘long unsigned int’, but argument 3 has type ‘size_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat=]
[11:15] <hans_>   pr_debug("doorbell_id_offset      == 0x%08lX\n",
[11:15] <hans_> is among many such warnings you get when you try to compile the amdgpu driver on 32bit ubuntu
[11:15] <oerheks> pax_rhos, is this 32 or 64 bit?
[11:16] <hans_> /var/lib/dkms/amdgpu/18.20-606296/build/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_amdkfd_gfx_v9.c:534:24: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [-Wpointer-to-int-cast]
[11:16] <hans_> seems to me like 32bit support hasn't been maintained
[11:16] <oerheks> hans_, i am not interested, you make things up, this ubuntu support only. amdgpu would be loaded if you had any amd gpu, but you have not,.
[11:18] <hans_> wtf, what, exactly, am i making up? "you don't need an amd gpu to install the amdgpu driver", is that made up?
[11:18] <oerheks> basicly, yes.
[11:25] <leftyfb> hans_: why do you need AMD GPU drivers if you don't have the GPU installed?
[11:29] <w0rp> If I want to send an email asking for an Ubuntu package bug to be looked at, which address should I send email to?
[11:29] <w0rp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/1768026 I want this to be fixed because installing Vim from the official repository and then my plugin triggers an annoying bug in Vim, which has already been patched in a newer version, and wasn't an issue in an older version of Vim.
[11:29] <hans_> leftyfb, because i was going to install it. and now i have, it's running an Aorus RX580 now.
[11:30] <hans_> oerheks, when running without an amd gpu, running `apt install amdgpu` ends with: /var/lib/dkms/amdgpu/18.20-606296/build/amd/amdkfd/kfd_doorbell.c:226:3: error: implicit declaration of function ‘writeq’; did you mean ‘writel’? [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[11:31] <hans_> oerheks, now i installed an RX580. you think this will magically make that compile errror go away? :o
[11:31] <hans_> anyway, testing
[11:32] <Silmarilion> Hi, a colleague of mine canceled dist upgrade by accident by pressing ctrl + c, is there a way to continue an upgrade, or he is doomed to do clean install?
[11:33] <EriC^^> Simonious_: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:33] <pax_rhos> oerheks: 64
[11:33] <Mr_Pan> Silmarilion, sudo apt -f install
[11:33] <Silmarilion> Mr_Pan, ok, will try that
[11:34] <pax_rhos> oerheks: Version 66.0.3359.181 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 18.04 (64-bit)
[11:39] <pax_rhos> what's the easiest way to connect to a l2tp vpn?
[11:40] <hans_> sigh, with the amd gpu installed, it crashes some point prior to starting the main terminal  (ssh isn't activated either). it does output display on the gpu tho, over the DVI port
[11:40] <hans_> any suggestions?
[11:41] <hans_> i can see it booting up (not running with slash/quiet), but i can't see what causes it to crash
[11:49] <pax_rhos> 18.04?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, probly network-manager-l2tp or network-manager-l2tp-gnome
[11:53] <pax_rhos> BluesKaj: thanks, installed them
[11:54] <BluesKaj> pax_rhos, openvpn is less clunky , unless you "need" to use l2tp
[11:54] <pax_rhos> I need to use l2tp :(
[11:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:54] <pax_rhos> our customer failed to give ssh access, set up VPN with L2TP instead :[
[11:55] <BluesKaj> your customer needs to get more up to date :-)
[12:10] <pax_rhos> how to downgrade to an older kernel (not the one listed in grub)?
[12:10] <pax_rhos> I got tired of crashes
[12:10] <pax_rhos> it crashes again and again and again
[12:11] <pax_rhos> I can't work
[12:12] <pax_rhos> PHPStorm crashes, chromium-browser crashes, skype crashes
[12:17] <GlasgowSmile> #operhelp
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> Hi, I have a problem. (Not really ubuntu, but still maybe you can help) :)   My system (PCLOS) wont boot. Using Gparted in Rescatux I see the data partitions of /dev/sdb, but NOT /dev/sda*. I know they are there, because in a terminal I get this:
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> user@debian:~$ ls -al /dev/sda*
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> brw-rw----. 1 root disk   8,  0 Jul  9 14:49 /dev/sda
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> brw-rw----. 1 root disk   8,  1 Jul  9 14:49 /dev/sda1
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> brw-rw----. 1 root disk   8, 10 Jul  9 14:50 /dev/sda10
[12:21] <resc_040b6_1431> brw-rw----. 1 root disk   8, 11 Jul  9 14:50 /dev/sda11
[12:30] <someone_> Is there anyone using Kubuntu 16.04 ?
[12:32] <ppf> someone certainly is
[12:32] <JimBuntu> someone_, You shouldn't take polls in this channel, simply ask your real question
[12:32] <ppf> *badum tss*
[12:32] <blackflow> ppf: lol!
[12:33] <raidghost> JimBuntu: How do you install ubuntu server 18.04 on a UEFi system? Tive tried 20 times and it doesnt make any sense
[12:34] <raidghost> The unnice message shows up
[12:34] <raidghost> GNU GRUB Version 2.02
[12:34] <raidghost> Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.
[12:34] <raidghost> For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions.
[12:34] <raidghost> Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or File completions
[12:34] <JimBuntu> raidghost, I don't generally use the 'server' edition and have not touched 18.04 outside of a quick live disc look.
[12:35] <JimBuntu> raidghost, #ubuntu-server might be a better place to ask though
[12:35] <raidghost> asked there. Not been any info for days
[12:35] <raidghost> But the boot Path of UEFI
[12:35] <raidghost> Isnt that /boot/efi ?
[12:38] <EriC^^> raidghost: /boot/efi is the esp
[12:38] <ppf> grub wants a disk/partition to boot
[12:38] <EriC^^> grub's stuff is in /boot/grub raidghost
[12:39] <EriC^^> raidghost: are you getting grub> or grub rescue> ?
[12:40] <raidghost> EriC^^: none of them
[12:40] <raidghost> What i pasted up some lines is what shows up when i boot after the wizard says everything is perfect and now its time to reboot
[12:41] <EriC^^> raidghost: if you hold shift what happens?
[12:41] <raidghost> i have to check. moment
[12:41] <EriC^^> raidghost: do you have a live usb you could use to troubleshoot the os files?
[12:41] <EriC^^> 18.04 server is live environment right?
[12:43] <raidghost> EriC^^: The live enviroment works perfect but there is no LVM or raid options
[12:44] <EriC^^> cant you install lvm support?
[12:44] <raidghost> EriC^^: I like to configure the partitions and make lv and raid before i install stuff
[12:44] <raidghost> That option is not in the new live installer thingy
[12:45] <EriC^^> raidghost: i meant to use the live usb just to troubleshoot
[12:45] <EriC^^> is it possible?
[12:45] <raidghost> is there a LIVE shell then
[12:45] <raidghost> So i can run stuff?
[12:46] <EriC^^> i think 18.04 has that, take a look :)
[12:46] <raidghost> 18.04 Desktop?
[12:46] <EriC^^> no the server iso
[12:46] <raidghost> The server thingy doesnt have live as i know
[12:46] <EriC^^> im starting to think there was a specific iso that was server+live
[12:46] <EriC^^> yes it does http://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[12:46] <raidghost> if there was a spesific iso with server+live i would like to know;)
[12:47] <EriC^^> it's the only iso listed, unless they mean something else by "live" ?
[12:47] <raidghost> :P
[12:47] <raidghost> EriC^^: What is the default UEFI path?
[12:47] <EriC^^> :D
[12:47] <raidghost> Is it /boot/efi ?
[12:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:47] <raidghost> and it should be like 200mb and fat32
[12:47] <EriC^^> if you get any kind of prompt, it's not an uefi issue
[12:48] <EriC^^> yes sir
[12:48] <raidghost> i just have to try solve how to get the boot flag to say yes
[12:48] <raidghost> cause there is no way to change it from no to yes
[12:48] <EriC^^> there's no boot flag iirc, there's just the type hex "ef00"
[12:49] <EriC^^> yup, the hex code causes it to say "boot,esp" under parted
[12:50] <raidghost> So /boot/efi and the esp is the same thingy?
[12:50] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:50] <EriC^^> it's not your problem though
[12:50] <raidghost> Will that be possible to have esp on raid partition?
[12:50] <raidghost> Since i run raid 1
[12:50] <EriC^^> no idea about raid stuff :D sorry
[12:51] <EriC^^> if your bios could mount it and use it i guess it should work?
[12:51] <EriC^^> basically your bios is going to look at the uefi list it has, and mount and use the .efi file you've pointed it to (on /boot/efi)
[12:52] <EriC^^> if you get grub, then that's all been done and the esp/uefi stuff is over, your problem is something different
[12:52] <EriC^^> either in grub's cfg files, or something else initramfs etc related
[12:53] <Langley> Hello, has anyone else had trouble with Chromium after getting kernel 4.15?
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> Langley: can you define 'trouble' please?
[12:58] <ppf> Langley: and which 4.15?
[12:59] <Langley> On my laptop it takes a looong time to start... on this desktop it crashed and I can't kill the background processes. 4.15.0-24
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> Langley: this version? ^
[13:01] <Langley> Almost, I have 66.0.3359.181-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[13:01] <Langley> So how do I kill it when 'kill' doesn't do it?
[13:01] <ppf> !info linux-generic
[13:01] <ppf> where did you get .24 from?
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> Langley: your system isnt up to date?
[13:02] <ppf> looks like .24 got pulled because there too many issues
[13:02] <ppf> so you should downgrade to .23
[13:02] <Langley> Guess that explains it...
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> Langley: wich point release of xenial are you on?
[13:03] <Langley> 4
[13:03] <ppf> !info linux-generic xenial
[13:03] <ppf> that's not 4.15
[13:04] <Langley> I'll just use firefox for now
[13:04] <ppf> paste `cat /etc/*-release` please
[13:05] <Langley> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YwXk739tr8/
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> Langley: did you use mainline kernel to goto 4.15?
[13:06] <Langley> I don't know, I just have security updates set to automatically install
[13:06] <ppf> that wouldn't give you 4.15
[13:06] <ppf> you did something elese
[13:06] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[13:06] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[13:07] <tomreyn> ah sorry, actually this
[13:07] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge xenial
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx tomreyn
[13:09] <tomreyn> welcome :)
[13:09] <Langley> I haven' done anything
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> Langley: so if your system is up to date, perhaps try to start chromium-browser from a terminal, see if we can see usefull errors perhaps?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> Langley: you dont have like external ppa's added to your system or weird chromium addons that could slow down?
[13:10] <Langley> [10707:10729:0709/150958.879759:ERROR:in_progress_cache_impl.cc(93)] Could not read download entries from file because there was a read failure.
[13:10] <Langley> ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment.
[13:10] <Langley> Bus error (core dumped)
[13:11] <koo> how does one constantly flush redirected stdout to a file?
[13:11] <Langley> No PPAs, only extensions are ublock and HTTPSeverywhere
[13:11] <tomreyn> Langley: can you post the http address returned by: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> Langley: try to remove your cache and config folder of chromium
[13:12] <OlofL> is there any risk in letting a user have no password defined in /etc/shadow ?
[13:12] <Langley> http://termbin.com/fx0m
[13:12] <OlofL> i cant login without password
[13:12] <Langley> MCE: Killing chromium-browse:10707 due to hardware memory corruption fault at 55b52bff3ad0
[13:12] <Langley> oh shit what is this
[13:13] <ppf> not a software error :)
[13:14] <tomreyn> koo: prefix the command producing the output and any others you pipe through with "unbuffer"
[13:15] <tomreyn> koo: that's from the 'expect' package. a more universal alternative, but more tyoping, is "stdbuf -i0 -o0 -e0 original_command". stdbuf is in coreutils.
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> Langley: if its bad ram, keep your dmesg open and tryout a few other applications to start, eat all your ram to see whats happening
[13:16] <ppf> or run memcheck
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> Langley: or colortail -f /var/log/syslog and what ppf suggests
[13:17] <koo> tomreyn: thank you! how do I make stdbuf work with bash aliases though?
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: tell us your complete story please, ubuntu version, what are you trying to do exactly and for what reason?
[13:17] <tomreyn> koo: you edit the alias, i'd say, or add a second.
[13:18] <koo> tomreyn: of course. Thanks again!
[13:19] <Langley> I'll do a memtest, yeah...
[13:23] <tomreyn> Langley: you may have more info on this machine check exception (MCE) in /var/log/syslog, that's if you have the "mcelog" package installed
[13:26] <OlofL> lotuspsychje: its debian actually. vyos 1.1.7. and I cannot set hashed password with vyos_user module. thats why
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: we can only support ubuntu here mate
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: debian support fits in the #debian channel
[13:28] <tomreyn> Langley: a newer BIOS version is available for this system (version A24, you have A23) to better mitigate security vuilnerabilities in your intel cpu https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=8P2VF
[13:29] <Guest96916> yess
[13:29] <Guest96916> hallo
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> nice find tomreyn +1
[13:29] <Guest96916> ok
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> Guest96916: can we help you?
[13:30] <Guest96916> i need know about usb device packet data
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> Guest96916: start from the beginning please, ubuntu version, what are you trying to do?
[13:31] <Guest96916> can you halp to know paket to connect linux system usb to microcontroller usb ?
[13:33] <Guest96916> i'm try to connect device microcontrollet to usb linux
[13:34] <Guest96916> in linux I use a program in c c ++ that communicates with host microcontroller or vice versa
[13:35] <ppf> Guest96916: is it c or c++
[13:35] <Guest96916> Il problema sta nel sviluppare la sequenza di comandi da combinare
[13:35] <Guest96916> yess
[13:35] <ppf> !it
[13:36] <Guest96916> ok
[13:36] <CommandPrompt> anybody know why /back won't work anymore..? Error(421): BACK Unknown command
[13:36] <ppf> CommandPrompt: that's a client command?
[13:37] <ppf> how would we know
[13:39] <CommandPrompt> its giving the same message across multiple clients
[13:39] <CommandPrompt> and has never not worked for that matter
[13:40] <Fuchs> /back is something clients implement
[13:40] <Fuchs> it's not something officially supported
[13:40] <Fuchs> just use  /away    without a message instead
[13:41] <CommandPrompt> yea tried that already..
[13:41] <CommandPrompt> well hell now it worked lol alright well ty
[13:41] <CommandPrompt> it gave my an invalid syntax error before
[13:41] <CommandPrompt> me*
[13:42] <Fuchs> what client, out of interest?
[13:45] <CommandPrompt> well mainly i use hexchatbut i also tried it with HexIRC
[13:46] <CommandPrompt> i tried it in both
[13:46] <Fuchs> then  /away   should work
[13:46] <CommandPrompt> yea it did this last time ty
[13:46] <CommandPrompt> for some reason it just wouldnt before
[13:46] <CommandPrompt> that was what i tried after /back failed
[13:52] <tomreyn> CommandPrompt: there's #hexchat here if you'd like to ask there again
[13:52] <Lope> ecryptfs home makes Private.sig which contains 2 lines, which are probably ecryptfs_fnek_sig ecryptfs_sig... but in what order?
[13:52] <CommandPrompt> ok gotcha thanks tomreyn
[14:05] <sebsebseb> hi
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: welcome, what can we do for you?
[14:05] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: some cool weather maybe, or some  ubuntu support of other people maybe
[14:05] <sebsebseb> I mean me helping them not other way round
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:09] <tomreyn> Lope: good question, there, the available man pages do not seem to describe the file format. since fnek is optional, my guess is this will be line two.
[14:09] <Thedarkb> Is there an Intel graphics driver package?
[14:10] <tomreyn> Thedarkb: intel graphics drivers (i915) are embedded in the linux kernel. why do you ask?
[14:11] <Thedarkb> The ones I have are missing somethings required by a game I want to run.
[14:11] <ppf> like whta
[14:11] <ppf> what
[14:11] <Thedarkb> [LWJGL] GLFW_VERSION_UNAVAILABLE error
[14:11] <Thedarkb> 	Description : GLX: Failed to create context: GLXBadFBConfig
[14:12] <tomreyn> Thedarkb: which ubuntu version, kernel version are you running?
[14:13] <Thedarkb> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz (798MHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.6 GiB Total (3.5 GiB Free) Swap: 1.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 138.2 GB / 163.6 GB (25.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Contr
[14:13] <Thedarkb> oller Hub • Uptime: 5d 22h 24m 52s
[14:13] <Thedarkb> Linux benThinkpad 4.15.0-23-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 23 18:02:16 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:14] <blackflow> Thedarkb: what does `glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"`  say?
[14:15] <blackflow> Thedarkb: might need to install mesa-utils for glxinfo
[14:15] <Thedarkb> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
[14:15] <Thedarkb> I did that earlier.
[14:15] <tomreyn> hmm i think this gpu is too old to get higher opengl version support, which this error is about
[14:15] <blackflow> Thedarkb: right, so your driver supports OpenGL up to and including 2.1
[14:15] <Thedarkb> Balls.
[14:15] <Thedarkb> I think it's time to buy a new laptop.
[14:15] <blackflow> Thedarkb: the game probably wants a newer one
[14:16] <blackflow> Thedarkb: well if you wanna game, and have $$ for a new thingy, just get a desktop with some nvidia sweetness :)
[14:16] <Thedarkb> It's not really a "game" per se, it's just a 2D physics sandbox.
[14:17] <Thedarkb> No idea why it needs the latest and greatest OpenGL.
[14:17] <blackflow> features, probably.
[14:17] <blackflow> though 2.x is quite old
[14:17] <PsychoBoB> Why my keyboard and mouse wireless from microsoft dont' works fine on ubuntu 18?
[14:17] <Thedarkb> This laptop's datecode is 4/12/2008
[14:18] <blackflow> Thedarkb: exactly :)
[14:18] <blackflow> 3.0 came out around that time methinks
[14:18] <Thedarkb> I wonder why there's no update for my GPU drivers for it.
[14:19] <blackflow> I think version supported is hardware dependant. Meaning, you'll need a newer generation CPU for newer intel HD featureset
[14:20] <tomreyn> Thedarkb: you won't find a variant of intel drivers providing a higher opengl version with this hardware.
[14:20] <Thedarkb> I have a laptop somewhere with no 3D graphics of any kind and it somehow supports an old version of OpenGL in software.
[14:20] <Thedarkb> and this laptop can run Portal 2 without issue....
[14:21] <Thedarkb> Eh, it's annoying but what can you do.
[14:22] <tomreyn> there's a pure software implementation of opengl 1.2, i think
[14:22] <Thedarkb> Yeah, that's what it has.
[14:22] <Thedarkb> Can run GLQuake pretty well.
[14:22] <tomreyn> it'll be very slow
[14:23] <PsychoBoB> =(
[14:23] <Thedarkb> GLQuake isn't, everything else is though.
[14:23] <hggdh>  /grep PsychoBoB
[14:23] <Thedarkb> OpenArena and AssaultCube are both unplayable.
[14:23] <Thedarkb> But the original Quake runs at 60fps
[14:24] <Thedarkb> Then again, the original Quake runs at a capped 77fps in software rendering on a Pentium-33
[14:24] <PsychoBoB> hggdh, ?
[14:24] <bluj> hello. i'm rebuilding a ubuntu kernel via instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel . one of the things it mentions to do is to change the version string in debian.master/changelog so i can tell i'm running the intended kernel etc.  this is not taking effect though- my resultant .deb's just have the version without my appended string. anyone know why?
[14:25] <hggdh> PsychoBoB: was looking at a bit more of info on what you asked
[14:26] <hggdh> PsychoBoB: I do not know why your keyboard and mouse do not work fine. I also do not know WHAT is not working. Can you please expand?
[14:29] <tomreyn> bluj: because the instructions are either wrong or outdated :-/ i ran into the same issue a couple months ago. follwing this tutorial, however, the 'custom' tag was appended to the kernel version number as desired: http://blog.programster.org/ubuntu-16-04-compile-custom-kernel-for-ryzen
[14:30] <bluj> tomreyn: many thx.
[14:32] <Shiva187> whats the best widgets for 18.04, screenlets is not letting me install
[14:33] <blackflow> bluj: tomreyn: that link requires a big warning that it uses upstream kernel sources, not Ubuntu's (with all the SAUCE goodness)
[14:34] <bluj> blackflow: the initial step pulled down a linux-lts-xenial_4.4.0.orig.tar.gz ... it seems okay?
[14:35] <blackflow> bluj: no, if you cd into that git clone'd dir, and run make there, you've built the upstream kernel source
[14:35] <bluj> blackflow: oh i'm sorry- i was referring to the first url i was following. i see.
[14:39] <dangelov> hi everyone. What boot option can I add to disable the dedicated GPU (ATI/Radeon) on my laptop that's broken?
[14:39] <blackflow> bluj: yeah, my bad, I didn't specify I meant hte second link
[14:42] <blackflow> dangelov: on the kernel command line?  try    modprobe.blacklist=amdgpu,radeon,fglrx    I'm not sure exactly what the module name is
[14:43] <dangelov> blackflow: i managed to find the option, i had asked about this earlier so I looked through a few dates of irc logs when someone replied to me
[14:43] <dangelov> it's "radeon.modeset=0"
[14:44] <blackflow> dangelov: that does something different, but okay, if that fixes your issue, no modeset it is.
[14:45] <tomreyn> bluj: blackflow is right, so here's a BIG WARNING. you'd loose apparmor support, for example, which can have a relevant security impact on ubuntu.
[14:45] <dangelov> blackflow: out of curiosity, what's the difference between radeon.modeset=0 and modprobe.blacklist=radeon?
[14:46] <bluj> tomreyn: thanks for the heads up. this is just for a transient system, i want to test the effect of a kernel change. and then i'll ditch it
[14:46] <blackflow> dangelov: the former sets parameter "modeset" of module "radeon" to value "0".   modprobe.blacklist   is a comma separated list of modules to prevent loading during modprobe boot phase.
[14:47] <blackflow> dangelov: so the latter is closer to "disable GPU" by blocking the driver to autodetect and load.  the former just disables modesetting, which may or may not, disable whole or just some GPU functionality of module "radeon".
[14:47] <dangelov> blackflow: gotcha... so with modeset=0, the modules would load and then not initialize, but with blacklist it wouldn't load at all.... would that be it roughly?
[14:47] <dangelov> blackflow: just read your explanation, got it
[14:48] <dangelov> blackflow: thanks!
[14:49] <blackflow> yeah I don't know if disabling KMS (kernel mode setting) effectively renders the ATI GPU useless under Ubuntu, so you might have the same effect as just disabling the driver completely.
[14:56] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[14:57] <easyOnMe> how to I show code here without flooding the chat
[14:57] <tomreyn> dangelov: it's probably not relevant if you're just working with a laptop where you may not be adding another piece of hardware which requires the same (radeon) driver. but... if you still wanted to be able to load the radeon driver but not for this graphics card (and also no other drivers for this graphics card which ubuntu might fall back to if radeon cant be loaded), cyou could also blacklist the pci device.
[14:57] <easyOnMe> how do I show code here without flooding the chat
[14:57] <tomreyn> !paste | easyOnMe
[14:58] <tomreyn> thanks for asking, easyOnMe
[15:02] <tomreyn> dangelov: "lspci | grep VGA" - > the first column returns the pci device. you can use it to look up the modalias. for example, for PCI device 2d:00.0: cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:2d\:00.0/modalias . the modalias can then just be added to the modprobe blacklist: echo 'blacklist pci:v00001002d000067DFsv00001462sd00003417bc03sc00i00' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[15:03] <dangelov> tomreyn: to run that i'd have to already have ubuntu loaded, no? Or can I do it from the boot prompt
[15:06] <tomreyn> dangelov: i think you could set it up from initrd shell by editing the initscript configuration
[15:07] <tomreyn> dangelov: actually, you could try just passing the modalias to modprobe.blacklist= , i never tried this.
[15:13] <PsychoBoB> How I can to reset my usb devices?
[15:15] <leftyfb> PsychoBoB: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gnnb8Ny6Qv/
[15:18] <PsychoBoB> leftyfb,
[15:18] <PsychoBoB> I need create a file .sh :
[15:18] <PsychoBoB> ?
[15:18] <leftyfb> sure
[15:18] <Caspy7> I do Firefox support a certain amount and we've been getting a lot of Ubuntu users with a beta build from a repo reporting that their addons are all disabled. Mozilla builds don't have the issue but I'm guessing these have the distro patches. Does anyone have info or update on this situation?
[15:18] <Caspy7> here's the Mozilla bug that's on my radar https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1474255
[15:19] <dangelov> tomreyn: gotcha, thanks!
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> Caspy7: i think you should report this in #ubuntu-devel
[15:22] <Caspy7> ok, thanks
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> I'm trying to configure x11vnc to work with sddm (need to remotely login the machine). Would anyone know if this is possible and how do I point x11vnc to the "magic cookie" for sddm?
[15:31] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1566542
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> nice find ioria +1
[15:31] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hey
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> howdy ioria
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I've tried those recommendations, I haven't gotten them to work
[15:34] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, already visited ? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38616490/unable-to-launch-x11vnc-before-login-on-kubuntu-16-04
[15:34] <tomreyn> Caspy7: i think there is also #ubuntu-mozillateam or similar (alis would know)
[15:35] <tomreyn> ah solved in -devel, ok
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: the /var/run/sddm/* trick doesn't work in 18.04
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> The primary responder to the other link, mentions something about using XSession... but doesn't explain or direct on how to leverage that
[15:39] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, did you try th /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup  solution ?
[15:40] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, it's confirmed here at bottom: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/622
[15:41] <Shiva187> guys i accidentally removed "ubuntu dock" from the extension when i was trying out "Docky" but not really liking it, now I can't get back the ubuntu normal dock. If I go to "Tweaks" under "extensions", "ubuntu dock" is no longer there.
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I have not tried... it isn't exactly the way I want to launch it either
[15:42] <ioria> i see
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> how do I restart sddm so I can test that?
[15:43] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, sudo  systemctl restart sddm  i guess
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: Either the script didn't execute or something... trying remote reboot (fingers crossed)
[15:46] <chris_99> Hi i'm just wondering, im using xenial am64, if i do : sudo apt-get install libmsgpack-dev:armhf it removes my am64 version, is there a way to prevent that?
[15:46] <ioria> oh
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> Is there a better alternative to x11vnc? I'm open to anything that works with all vncviewers (vino is out of the running as it is extremely buggy)
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> !arm | chris_99
[15:47] <chris_99> this is actually on an X86 PC though, should i still go there?
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> chris_99: what are you trying to accomplish?
[15:50] <chris_99> i'm doing cross compilation, i need both the x86 and armhf version of a library, i've added armhf as a foreign architecture, but i need to stop apt from removing the other version of the library
[15:50] <chris_99> so i have both
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> chris_99: That's not how you do that
[15:51] <Shiva187> ANy ideas how i can get ubuntu dock back?
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: x11vnc isn't launching with that script addition... I think that is more for when a user authenticates, not for sddm
[15:52] <Shiva187> dconf dump /org/gnome/shell/extensions/dash-to-dock/
[15:52] <Shiva187> [/]
[15:52] <Shiva187> multi-monitor=true
[15:52] <Shiva187> dock-fixed=true
[15:52] <Shiva187> dock-position='LEFT'
[15:52] <Shiva187>  but i can't see the dock and its not on the extensions under tweaks
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Shiva187
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | Shiva187
[15:53] <chris_99> pragmaticenigma: oh, i'm a bit confused what i'm doing wrong, don't i still need the arm version of the package so it can link against it?
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> chris_99:  You need to setup an environment for cross compiling far as I know... you can't just compile with the main environment
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> chris_99: beyond that, you should check out a developer channel. This isn't the correct resource for compiling/development work. This is Ubuntu Support for the packages and software provided by Canonical.
[15:57] <chris_99> okey doke, sorry
[16:01] <ghoti> What's a good window manager to install on a box that'll handle digital signage? I'm going to need to run mplayer full-screen, as well as a browser (chrome or uzbl I guess).
[16:02] <ghoti> I'm thinking that a tiling wm like spectrwm might be a good bet, to avoid the assumption of mouse interactivity, but I'd love to get some recommendations.
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> ghoti: this isn't the correct channel for that type of question. You can check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:03] <ghoti> pragmaticenigma: ah, ok. Didn't realize that package recommendations were OT.
[16:06] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, sy for asking, you do already have x11vnc running at startup, right ?
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> I'm trying to get to the greeter using VNC... If I'm logged into the machine I can use x11vnc without any issue (until the stack smashing issue crops up)
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: ^ ^
[16:09] <ghoti> pragmaticenigma: a point of clarification. Earlier you stated "This is Ubuntu Support for the packages and software provided by Canonical." How is a recommendation for such a package off-topic? (Obviously I'm not looking for recommendations for software without Ubuntu packages.)
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> ghoti: This is a support channel... the keyword is "support" there is nothing about recommendation in there.. This channel is meant for helping people get the programs provided through the software repositories provided by the default installation of Ubuntu. Recommendations are opinions and often spark controversy which clouds up this channels primary goal.
[16:13] <ghoti> I see. Well, kudos on your excellent job policing. I've never seen this channel so quiet.
[16:16] <ppf> which means feaw people have problems, that's good :)
[16:19] <Lope> thanks tomreyn
[16:20] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, another try : do you have a /etc/kde/kdm/Xsetup  file ?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | ghoti see also
[16:26] <ghoti> lotuspsychje: Yes, I'm familiar with the guidelines, but the only thing I could see there that was close to suggesting that a recommentation was OT would be the "Language and Subject" section, which suggests a set of "touchy" subjects of which a software recommendation is not a member.
[16:27] <ghoti> Obviously the "if someone asks you to move your support conversation" clause applies, but greater clarity of subject matter on this page might help avoid confusion like this in the future.
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: no... kde doesn't create that ditectory anymore
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ghoti: in big lines, #ubuntu serves for ubuntu support, nothing else
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ghoti: we have like a nice #ubuntu-discuss channel for other topics too
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> ghoti: This debate is off-topic... take it elsewhere please. If you are concerned about the way things are handled here, please feel free to air your grievance in #ubuntu-ops
[16:28] <ghoti> lotuspsychje: ah, I didn't see that one mentioned in the list of core channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope .  Where might I have found it?
[16:30] <tomreyn> that, topo, can be discussed there
[16:30] <tomreyn> *too
[16:32] <nostrora> Hi i have lot of problem with DNS of my new ubuntu 18.04 especially with rancher and kubernetes.. someone have same kind of problems ?
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> nostrora: First result with google: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubeadm/issues/787
[16:37] <qwebirc86857> Hi, I want to get kernel source for 4.15.0-24, but there's no big tar archive in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed/4.15.0-24.26 Are these gone now?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> one for you tomreyn ^
[16:38] <tomreyn> :-P
[16:39] <tomreyn> qwebirc86857: there should bea link to it on packages.ubuntu,com
[16:40] <tomreyn> qwebirc86857: wor you're looking for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/linux/4.15.0-24.26/linux_4.15.0.orig.tar.gz
[16:40] <tomreyn> *or
[16:42] <tomreyn> ... as found on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-24.26#source-files
[16:59] <Sathington_willo> Ubuntu is the best linux distro for beginners. Plus it looks the best.
[17:00] <holywater> i like it more when it is L flavoured
[17:00] <Sathington_willo> mor elightweight,  but not as east for beginners, and certaily not as pretty
[17:00] <Sathington_willo> no os is.. imo
[17:00] <Sathington_willo> easy*
[17:01] <Sathington_willo> as a guy who hates terminal and software with shody gui,  ubuntu is only linux is ive been happy with
[17:01] <Sathington_willo> shoddy*
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> Sathington_willo: Glad to hear that you're enjoying Ubuntu. Do you have a support related question?
[17:06] <Sathington_willo> i often do, but suorisingly not at moment, very pleased with it.  hex chat was not working, but it seems to hav esorted itself out.  im good here thanks
[17:06] <Sathington_willo> thats why i signed in, to see if hexchat was back up.
[17:07] <Sathington_willo> And after messing about all afternoon with other linux os, then coming back to this plush and pretty  functional ubuntu, i thought id give a comment on it lol
[17:08] <Sathington_willo> but i'll shut up now, cheers
[17:10] <tomreyn> thanks for sharing Sathington_willo. it's good to hear you like ubuntu. :) this channel is really just for support, but there is also #ubuntu-offtopic (as in 'not support') and -discuss. see you there (or here, when you have support questions).
[17:10] <Sathington_willo> Thanks ;)
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: further research on x11vnc and sddm shows most users are switching the lightdm as their greeter and getting it working via that route
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: In case you're interested in more info.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1035598/ubuntu-18-04-lts-x11vnc-no-longer-works
[17:25] <dunpeal> so I just updated my system from the CLI via `apt update && apt upgrade`. It installed a whole lot of packages, including what looks like an updated kernel.
[17:25] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, i guess lightdm might work, din't know you're interested in switching
[17:25] <dunpeal> Would I get any indications if I needed to restart the system after the update?
[17:25] <dunpeal> It seems like a kernel upgrade should be finalized with a restart, but I got no prompts for that.
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> I'm willing to switch the greeter to something else if it works with x11vnc... though I do imagine more of the greeters will eventually adopt the newer methods of intializing
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: there is a file you can check for... just a second and I get you the path
[17:26] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, as last attempt , you can try '11vnc -display :0 -auth guess -no6 -forever -nolookup -passwd xxxx -ping 60' inside usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup
[17:26] <SimonNL> dunpeal: afaik yes
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: If you check if the file "/var/run/reboot-required" exists, the system is pending a reboot. https://askubuntu.com/a/171
[17:27] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, 'x11vnc -display :0 -auth guess -no6 -forever -nolookup -passwd xxxx -ping 60'
[17:27] <dunpeal> pragmaticenigma: thanks, very helpful!
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: It's good practice reboot your machine regularly anyways... some applications and services will not pick up the updates until they're restarted
[17:28] <Trident_Barclay> I seem to be having a bit of trouble setting up a dual boot with windows 10.  I think the latest windows is a bit aggressive to the boot system. I can't seem to get ubuntu installed alongside it. Any ideas? Thanks
[17:28] <dunpeal> pragmaticenigma: yeah, my only concern RN is that this answer is from 2010, so maybe things changed since then
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: those will work once i'm logged in... but not in the greeter... x11vnc is looking for a hook to attach to the graphics being displayed. It normally uses a value found in the xauthority file, but sddm and gdm3 are no longer providing that until after a user is authenticated
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: No, it's still valid
[17:29] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, yep
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: When you login to the machine via TTY or remotely over SSH, that file is queried and displayed at login to inform you that the machine is due for a reboot
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: Otherwise, anytime you see updates for linux-firmware, kernel, xorg, wayland, graphics drivers (nvidia)... it's a good idea to reboot
[17:31] <dunpeal> pragmaticenigma: Wayland?  Wayland is in mainline Ubuntu now?
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> dunpeal: I'm providing cases in which it's a good idea... wayland is not installed by default, but it is an option for those who wish to install it
[17:32]  * dunpeal nods
[17:33] <dunpeal> Thanks again.
[17:34] <nostrora> i have problem with dns and ubuntu 18.04 cause netplan :( someone know ?
[17:35] <tomreyn> !details | nostrora
[17:36] <nostrora> netplan is telling dns is 127.0.0.1. kubernetes/docker think 127.0.0.1 is it's own dns so he convert ip to internal dns. and not my host ubuntu dns server.. -_-
[17:36] <nostrora> i just want to remove netplan and use the older  dns system
[17:37] <Trident_Barclay> I found some material regarding my dual boot questions on google. I will peruse the article
[17:38] <tomreyn> nostrora: netplan is not a dns system. it's a optional network configuration frontend which creates configurations for network manager or systemd-networkd.
[17:39] <tomreyn> nostrora: did you see the link you were pointed to previously? <pragmaticenigma> nostrora: First result with google: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubeadm/issues/787
[17:40] <nostrora> i've done this : sudo ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[17:41] <tomreyn> and does this fix it?
[17:42] <nostrora> nope
[17:44] <Trident_Barclay> when installing ubuntu with rufus  from usb, should i use a iso image or DD image?  I was told DD is better for linux as rufus may corrupt linux files in ISO mode?  Please advise
[17:46] <tomreyn> Trident_Barclay: i have no experience with rufus. you could use etcher.io, it usually works well on all major platforms.
[17:47] <Trident_Barclay> Thanks Tom. Apparently DD is the way to gfo with rufus, I was just reading up on it. It's a direct clone.
[17:47] <tomreyn> yes, but may not work with all types of images.
[17:48] <Trident_Barclay> Oh
[17:48] <tomreyn> but i assume ti can work with the default installers.
[17:48] <Lope> I'm trying to mount an ecryptfs volume which was an ubuntu 14 home dir, but getting this error: "Error attempting to evaluate mount options: [-122] Disk quota exceeded" Any ideas?
[17:48] <Lope> mount -t ecryptfs /foo/home/.ecryptfs/johnsmith/.Private /mnt/foo/ -o ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_passthrough=n,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y,no_sig_cache,ecryptfs_sig=(FROM_Private.sig_Line1),ecryptfs_fnek_sig=(FROM_Private.sig_Line2)
[17:49] <Trident_Barclay> I've installed this ubuntu with just 'iso' mode from rufus. Its seems OK, so I assume DD mode can only be better
[17:50] <qwebirc31925> hi!
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: This is the officially supported way of imaging a thumbdrive with ubuntu: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[17:50] <qwebirc31925> i would greatly appreciate some help with my system
[17:50] <Trident_Barclay> Thanks pragmatic
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | qwebirc31925
[17:51] <qwebirc31925> i installed a dual boot system on my computer, with windows being the first os and ubuntu being the second
[17:51] <qwebirc31925> i can't boot into windows from grub anymore, however, because it seems like the windows bootmanager is broken
[17:52] <qwebirc31925> anybody have experience with this?
[17:52] <Trident_Barclay> Apparently they recommend rufus with just iso setting, ok thanks. will go with that.
[17:53] <Trident_Barclay> qwe:  https://linoxide.com/distros/install-ubuntu-18-04-dual-boot-windows-10/
[17:53] <Trident_Barclay> them tips might help, i was just looking myself. As I am trying a dual boot. There are some boot troubleshooting tips at bottom of that page
[17:54] <qwebirc31925> ok thx
[17:55] <Trident_Barclay> Is it true its not necessary to create a partition for swap files anymore?
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: With 18.04, if the swap partition is not defined, a swap file will be used automatically
[17:56] <Trident_Barclay> Sounds great
[17:56] <Trident_Barclay> Is a partition better than a file?  or much the same ?
[17:58] <Lope> I also tried to mount it with `ecryptfs-recover-private /foo/home/.ecryptfs/johnsmith/.Private/`. I'm getting messages saying "Error adding key to keyring - keyring is full"
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Depends on what you intend the machine to be used for. In my opinion, for general computing it doesn't make any difference.
[17:58] <ppf> !info python-gnomekeyring
[17:59] <ppf> does anyone know if there's a pip package for this?
[17:59] <Trident_Barclay> Great thanks; it will be just general, nothing heavy.
[18:00] <ppf> is there another way to dump gnome keyring passwords?
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> ppf: gnomekeyring is a python specific package. you might find better help asking in #python
[18:03] <ppf> pragmaticenigma: sure, but it's been deprecated
[18:03] <ppf> because libgnome-keyring is deprecated
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> ppf: That channel may have another suggestion for you
[18:05] <ppf> pragmaticenigma: it's not a python question?
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> ppf: My answer is based on the information you've provided so far. I assumed you were attempting to access your keyring via python. If you are simply seeking to view a password, this is what gnome has available: https://help.gnome.org/users/seahorse/stable/passwords-view.html.en
[18:07] <Lope> rebooting
[18:07] <ppf> pragmaticenigma: i don't have a graphical session
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> ppf: this may help, I'm not familiar with the suggestion though: https://askubuntu.com/a/414261
[18:09] <qwebirc31925> can anybody help with me booting into windows after a ubuntu dual boot? I can't boot into windows anymore
[18:09] <ppf> pragmaticenigma: i've not managed libsecret to print any passwords
[18:10] <ppf> only a list of hashed domains and usernames ...
[18:12] <Trident_Barclay> I dont know qwe, but I'm about to install a dual boot myself. It was easy on win7, but gives problems on win10.
[18:12] <Trident_Barclay> brb
[18:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: if you hold down shift key during boot, the grub menu should show, where you should be able to boot into windows. that's if you have chosen to install ubuntu next to windows, not replacing it.
[18:14] <qwebirc31925> yeah trident it's pretty annoying if you don't do it right-good luck!
[18:14] <qwebirc31925> tomereyn: i've gotten to that point, but there's something wrong with windows boot manager
[18:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: so you have the option to boot to windows on the grub menu?
[18:15] <qwebirc31925> yup
[18:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: so what happens when you try to boot windows there?
[18:16] <qwebirc31925> it gives me error code 0xc0000f and says "windows boot manager is broken/missing"
[18:16] <ceibal> hola
[18:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: are windows and ubuntu installed on the same storage (HDD / SSD / ...)?
[18:17] <ceibal> que honda
[18:17] <qwebirc31925> yes
[18:17] <tomreyn> !es | ceibal
[18:17] <ceibal> do you spik spanish???
[18:17] <ceibal> hola
[18:18] <qwebirc31925> tomreyn: yes
[18:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: did you make changes to the bios configurations before you installed ubuntu?
[18:18] <ceibal> do you spik spanish?
[18:18] <qwebirc31925> no
[18:18] <tomreyn> !en | ceibal
[18:18] <qwebirc31925> tomreyn: no
[18:18] <ceibal> oh im sory
[18:19] <ceibal> hello how are you?
[18:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: hmm, that's new to me then. i'll need to look this up.
[18:19] <qwebirc31925> hi tomreyn-do you think we can go a pm channel?
[18:20] <Mead> can anyone point me in the right direction to make a custom grub install? I've got a somewhat unique situation I'd like to iron out.  I need to install grub on usb flash drive that points towards an lubuntu install on a SD card.  I currently boot the the lubuntu on an SD card using the "super grub2 disk" when I select the option to load drivers, I'd like to install grub to the flash and have
[18:20] <Mead> it load the drivers and boot automatically without my interaction.
[18:20] <tomreyn> !pm | qwebirc31925
[18:20] <cristian_c> qwebirc31925: you should go deeper in detaul, for example about efi configuration, gpt partitions table, and other stuff
[18:21] <qwebirc31925> ok-both ubuntu and windows are using gpt, not mbr
[18:21] <cristian_c> also, if you started ubuntu live from efi entry in efi bios
[18:22] <qwebirc31925> i've got all the regular windows partitions(recovery, system, regular) and one ubuntu partition
[18:22] <cristian_c> qwebirc31925: so, when you boot to ubunu, are you using efi mode?
[18:23] <qwebirc31925> yes
[18:23] <cristian_c> (grub installed to efi fat32 partition)
[18:23] <qwebirc31925> windows is showing up in grub, that's not the problem
[18:23] <qwebirc31925> it's because the windows bootloader is broken
[18:24] <cristian_c> maybe, easybcd
[18:24] <cristian_c> qwebirc31925: if you try to bootmwindows (ovverride) from efi bios, what do you expect?
[18:25] <qwebirc31925> it gives the same thing as when i use the option in grub
[18:25] <cristian_c> qwebirc31925: I've missed that
[18:25] <cristian_c> what does it happen?
 it gives me error code 0xc0000f and says "windows boot manager is broken/missing"
[18:26] <qwebirc31925> thanks tomreyn
[18:26] <tomreyn> cristian_c: ^
[18:26] <cristian_c> sì, it seems a windows related issue
[18:27] <tomreyn> it is, but it'd be bad if the ubuntu installer introduced it
[18:27] <qwebirc31925> yeah that's what i'm suspecting
[18:27] <qwebirc31925> i think the grub config overwrote the windows bootloader cfg
[18:28] <cristian_c> grub writes to its own entry in efi partition
[18:28] <tomreyn> it would only do that if you instsalled grub to a partition, not the raw disk
[18:29] <qwebirc31925> yeah-i think that's what happened
[18:29] <qwebirc31925> how can i test to see whether grub was installed to partition or disk?
[18:29] <tomreyn> so you chose to install grub to a partition during the ubuntu installation?
[18:29] <qwebirc31925> i think so, but i'm not sure
[18:29] <cristian_c> in mbr table, grub was installed  to first sector of disk
[18:30] <cristian_c> (where wind0ws bootloader existed)
[18:30] <qwebirc31925> i'm using gpt tho
[18:30] <cristian_c> but in efi mode, there is not overwriting
[18:31] <tomreyn> hmm, right, this is not relevant in efi
[18:32] <cristian_c> qwebirc31925: you could look at your filesystem rootmdirect9ry
[18:32] <cristian_c>  /efi/boot/grub
[18:33] <qwebirc31925> christian_c: when you say root directory, do you mean ubuntu or windows?
[18:33] <cristian_c> now, you can just boot ubunu
[18:33] <cristian_c> so, when you'remin ubuntu desktoo
[18:34] <qwebirc31925> ok
[18:34] <qwebirc31925> i'm trying to follow this guide rn-have any thoughts? http://www.screwloose.com.au/windows-10-bootrec-the-requested-system-device-cannot-be-found
[18:38] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: can you post this? nc termbin.com 9999 <( sudo file -s /dev/sda*; sudo ls -lR /boot/efi )
[18:39] <qwebirc31925> ok tomreyn give me one sec
[18:47] <samcoldham1>     /msg NickServ identify [Coldham123]
[18:47] <samcoldham1> opps sorry
[18:48] <qwebirc31925> so does anybody know how you call somebody out in this irc? (their username becomes red)
[18:49] <qwebirc31925> tomreyn: termbin.com/n28v
[18:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: yes that's how you notify someone, you just put their nick in front of what you say.
[18:50] <qwebirc31925> ok gotcha
[18:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc31925: something must have gone wrong running these commands i provided.
[18:50] <qwebirc31925> yeah
[18:52] <qwebirc31925> alright i'm going to log off
[18:52] <qwebirc31925> thanks for the help
[18:54] <Trident_Barclay> Ok guys, I've tried to follow videos, and web tutorials, but I cant get a dual boot on windows 10 with ubuntu
[18:54] <Trident_Barclay> any can help please?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Trident_Barclay
[18:55] <Trident_Barclay> nope
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Trident_Barclay and see also
[18:55] <Trident_Barclay> ive read loads already
[18:55] <Trident_Barclay> and followed instructions to the letter
[18:55] <Trident_Barclay> its isnt working
[18:56] <Trident_Barclay> I need help please
[18:56] <Trident_Barclay> not more documentation
[18:56] <Bashing-om> Trident_Barclay: What is the machine that you are installing on ?
[18:56] <Trident_Barclay> lenovo x230
[18:56] <Trident_Barclay> and it is in efi boot mode
[18:57] <Trident_Barclay> i have a ssd with windows 10 on there
[18:57] <Trident_Barclay> i want to put ubuntu on also
[18:57] <Trident_Barclay> but its a real pain for some reason
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: define 'for some reason'
[18:57] <Trident_Barclay> well, windows 10 wont show up in ubuntu install options
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: did you set your uefi settings correctly?
[18:58] <Trident_Barclay> and the tips ove tried to boot from usb in efi mode didnt work
[18:58] <Trident_Barclay> and last time i actually went ahead and installed it anyway, the linux boot didint even appear
[18:58] <Trident_Barclay> i dont know, ive just followed guides
[18:58] <Trident_Barclay> what more can i do
[18:58] <Trident_Barclay> what actually is correct?
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Are you following the guides and trying to do the steps at the same time?
[18:59] <Trident_Barclay> ive doen step by step guies
[18:59] <Trident_Barclay> 2 of them
[18:59] <Trident_Barclay> both failed
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking are you performing the steps as you read them, or did you read the articles top-to-bottom first, and then go through them step-by-step?
[18:59] <Trident_Barclay> both
[19:00] <Trident_Barclay> Ive read a guide, then followed it
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> also watched a youtube video with masses of likes, and followed it
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> it isnt working
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> so i had to come here
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: did you make space for your ubuntu install, from inside windows?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Okay, If you have followed all those guides, and its not working. My suggestion is to stop.
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> ive done that yes
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> stop?
[19:01] <Trident_Barclay> you mean give up ?
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: stop trying, the more you work on it, the more you risk nuking your windows environment
[19:02] <Trident_Barclay> so a dual boot isnt plausible these days?  it seems things have gone backwards
[19:02] <Trident_Barclay> it was so easy with windows 7
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: It is plausible and many have done it. Something with the setup of your machine is preventing this from working. And when something doesn't work, it's time to stop trying, and start researching
[19:03] <Trident_Barclay> I was researching while trying
[19:03] <Trident_Barclay> i just dont know what else i can change to make it work
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: fiddling with uefi isnt easy one press button..
[19:04] <Trident_Barclay> windows 10 is jst hidden from ubunt when i try to install
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> Google for people with the same computer model as you with the EFI ubuntu install. Look for forum posts on it. If all else fails, it's time to start looking for a local Linux/Ubuntu user group
[19:04] <Trident_Barclay> im in india
[19:05] <fath0m> Hello, can somebody help me setting up netbeans on ubuntu? I'm having some problems and I have no idea what is wrong
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: my guess is, if ubuntu setup doesnt see your hd, uefi settings are wrong
[19:05] <Trident_Barclay> hmm
[19:05] <Trident_Barclay> it sees my hd i think, just doesnt notice windows is on it
[19:05] <Trident_Barclay> ssd actually
[19:06] <fath0m> https://8n1.org/13416/eeb2
[19:06] <fath0m> this is the output i get from netbeans
[19:06] <fath0m> what is going on here?
[19:07] <Trident_Barclay> windows boot seems to have gone brutal lately.  cant even bee seen by linux
[19:07] <Trident_Barclay> i dont know
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> fath0m: where did you obtain netbeans?
[19:07] <fath0m> apt install netbeans
[19:08] <Trident_Barclay> i have no google results regarding dual boot win 10 and buntu on x230
[19:08] <fath0m> universe repositories i guess
[19:08] <Trident_Barclay> any one know any possible bios tweak that mite get win 10 recognised by the ubuntu installer?
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: It's not specific to windows. UEFI is designed to protect computers and the operating systems from attacks. One of those methods is to make sure other bootable environments cannot alter the main disk. It isn't windows as much as it's the laptop manufacture
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> fath0m: What Java environment do you have installed? OpenJDK or Oracle JavaDE
[19:09] <Trident_Barclay> but thats counter productive to people who want to dual boot
[19:09] <tomreyn> fath0m: which ubuntu version, which JDK and JRE variant and version?
[19:09] <Trident_Barclay> and how to bypass it ?
[19:10] <fath0m> openjdk version "10.0.1" 2018-04-17
[19:10] <fath0m> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 10.0.1+10-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1)
[19:10] <fath0m> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0.1+10-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1, mixed mode)
[19:10] <fath0m> ubuntu 18.04 lts
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: there is a way, but it's not going to happen in an instant
[19:10] <leftyfb> !pastebin | fath0m
[19:10] <Trident_Barclay> any idea of where i can start looking?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: i suggest you read the uefi factoid, real closely first
[19:11] <tomreyn> fath0m: that's too new for old netbeans.
[19:11] <Trident_Barclay> i dont know where that is
[19:11] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans/+bug/1763091
[19:11] <Trident_Barclay> googled it but nothing
[19:11] <mib_mib> hi all - whats the easiest way to prevent a user (non-root) account from having the ability to install packages?
[19:11] <mib_mib> even to their user account, not globally
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: scroll up, to my !uefi
[19:12] <tomreyn> !uefi | Trident_Barclay this is the 'uefi factoid'
[19:12] <fath0m> i've been googling aswell
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> fath0m: It's a bug, and you will need to report that to launchpad for the Ubuntu devs. The version of Netbeans and version of OpenJDK are not compatible
[19:12] <fath0m> well the same is happening
[19:12] <fath0m> with
[19:12] <fath0m> eclipse
[19:12] <fath0m> i get basically the same exact error
[19:12] <Trident_Barclay> damn its huge
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> fath0m: Eclipse and Netbeans are nearly the same. One is maintained by Oracle, the other is community developed
[19:13] <Trident_Barclay> nobody here has prior knowledge to help me?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> mib_mib: whats your end goal exactly?
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> fath0m: but the come from the same original code base long ago
[19:13] <fath0m> ohh, understood. do you think getting java 8
[19:13] <fath0m> would fix the issue?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: we ARE helping you, if ubuntu setup isnt catching your ssd, uefi settings must be wrong
[19:13] <Trident_Barclay> that info is too heavy for me i think
[19:14] <Trident_Barclay> yes, but i dont know if i can swallow all that info there
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: If you aren't willing to read through the documentation, then you shouldn't continue to proceed. All that information is there to help prevent you from breaking or damaging your system
[19:14] <tomreyn> fath0m: it would work around it probably, yes
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: we cant come to your house and solve it, you need to do your best to read and solve (if you want dualboot in uefi)
[19:15] <Trident_Barclay> im willing ,but up to a point. I'm not a computer hobbyist. I cant read through pages of technical stuff
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> !info java > pragmaticenigma
[19:15] <Trident_Barclay> i know my windows 10 is installed in uefi mode , i think
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: If it came from the factory installed, yes, UEFI is enabled and actively protecting your computer.
[19:17]  * tomreyn coughs, there are different POVs on this
[19:17] <Trident_Barclay> uefi secure boot is turned off though
[19:18] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: well, mainly, i want to have a set of install programs users can use, but not have them have admin access. Is the default that non-root accounts CAN install packages still?
[19:18] <Trident_Barclay> and i cant see how to disable 'intel smart response technology in my bios'
[19:18] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: a set of whitelisted programs only, that is
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> mib_mib: restrict with chmod?
[19:18] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: that is not helpful
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: we only have the same documentation to go by. You need to read through that and become familiar with what it has to say. There are no easy paths here
[19:19] <Trident_Barclay> I hoped someone would know something
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> mib_mib: howso?
[19:19] <Trident_Barclay> Its such an extreme jump, windows 7 was easy..
[19:20] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: well by default, non-root accounts can install packages correct?
[19:20] <Trident_Barclay> and i need a 'uefi' only ubuntu image?
[19:20] <Trident_Barclay> any ideas on that?
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: We do, and we've given those resources to you... it's up to you to read that information.
[19:20] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: so, should i just chmod every user directory? i'm sure there are better ways than just to go around chmoding everything in the world
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> mib_mib: yes, in their own /home...
[19:20] <Trident_Barclay> i am trying
[19:20] <Trident_Barclay> but could use help
[19:20] <Trident_Barclay> you guys know stuff, i dont
[19:20] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: for instance, preventing the package manager access at all, etc
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: We learned by following the process we're directing you to do
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> mib_mib: what are you affraid of they might do?
[19:21] <Trident_Barclay> ok, throw an encylopedia on my lap
[19:21] <Trident_Barclay> i actually dont want to learn deep computer stuff.. just use it
[19:21] <Trident_Barclay> that what i hoped help rooms were for
[19:22] <mib_mib> lotuspsychje: we need to be able to control which programs are installed on the machine, for instance, prevent them from installing a remote desktop or otherwise
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: please easy with the enter button, try to focus only on ubuntu support here
[19:22] <Trident_Barclay> im here asking for support, yes
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: and you have been helped
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Again, we given you all the resources we have at our disposal. You've exhausted our knowledge base on the topic.
[19:22] <Trident_Barclay> i have not
[19:23] <Trident_Barclay> ok, thats fine
[19:23] <Trident_Barclay> if you dont know anything else about it
[19:23] <Trident_Barclay> i thought yo would know
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | Trident_Barclay
[19:23] <Trident_Barclay> im trying to read link after link and i dont understand what im looking at
[19:24] <Trident_Barclay> but ok.. thats all the help ive got
[19:24] <tomreyn> Trident_Barclay: dual booting isnt trivial, and is not for everyone. if you have enough emmeory, there are alternatives, such as running one of the two systems in a VM on the other system.
[19:25] <Trident_Barclay> strange tho.  ive dual booted 4 os's in the past on the same hdd
[19:25] <Trident_Barclay> i dont know why its so hard  now
[19:25] <tomreyn> you must have been lucky that it worked out without readin documentation there.
[19:26] <Trident_Barclay> i just had to figure ot swap file stuff, the rest worked pretty much i think.  but windows 10 seems to have gone rogue
[19:26] <tomreyn> there are uefi and legacy bios, there are gpt and mbr, there are 32-bit and 64-bit, and there are a lot fo bad firmwares.
[19:26] <tomreyn> that's why it's complicated
[19:26] <tomreyn> some of these didn't exist in the past.
[19:27] <Trident_Barclay> yea well, i use ubuntu on usb at moment. Im liking it enough to want to dual boot it on my system. i cant do with out windows 10.  but it seems dual booting isnt an option, unless i get a degree in bois
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: https://www.wikihow.com/Dual-Boot-Windows-10-and-Ubuntu-16.04
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: step by step read please
[19:28] <Trident_Barclay> lots, ive tried a few guides
[19:28] <Trident_Barclay> read em, step by step
[19:28] <Trident_Barclay> didnt work, as i said earlier
[19:28] <tonyt> a degree in bois? not sure what that means but dual boot between win 10 and ubuntu is pretty simple
[19:28] <Trident_Barclay> i just wish sumone had the know how in here
[19:28] <Trident_Barclay> its not tony
[19:29] <Trident_Barclay> it used to be, but somethings gone wrong
[19:29] <tonyt> yes it is
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> Trident_Barclay: stop that please now
[19:29] <Trident_Barclay> if it is easy tho... please share
[19:29] <tonyt> Trident_Barclay someone just posted a url for you to check out on the subject
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: From what you are saying, you would rather place your trust in a bunch of people you've never met on how to make your computer perform a task. Without having knowing who to trust or if the information provided is valid. Anyone of us could give you a simple command, and you'd execute it without a second guess, and for all you know we gave you a command that wipes out your entire system. Part of
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> computing is reading up on the topics that you are interested. Becoming educated so that you know what is and isn't a good idea. Computer technology changes every 6 months. What worked before, may not work tomorrow. You need to hunker down, do some quality you time and read the documentation. The answers are there, you have to be willing to take the time to find it.
[19:30] <samcoldham1>    /ns glist
[19:30] <tonyt> you go to install ubuntu, during the set up/installation it asks you if you want to install it along side windows 10
[19:30] <Trident_Barclay> ok. sorry to ask. in fact, why even have a help room ?!  lol
[19:30] <tonyt> as i said its pretty simple
[19:30] <Trident_Barclay> no it doesnt tony.ubuntu doesnt recognise my windows 10 instalation
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Stop with the passive aggressiveness... It's not helping you or encouraging anyone else to try and help you. You're casting a bad light on yourself.
[19:31] <tonyt> oh ok. that something is wrong then. it should
[19:31] <tonyt> that/the
[19:31] <tonyt> n
[19:31] <Trident_Barclay> then maybe give me a break a bit?
[19:31] <tonyt> k
[19:32] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, is win10 correctly shuted down ?
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> tonyt: we've been at this for 90 minutes... they need to follow the documentation they were provided and educate themselves
[19:32] <Trident_Barclay> ive tried totally shut down, and also restart only
[19:32] <Trident_Barclay> ive trie to
[19:32] <Trident_Barclay> its too much for me
[19:32] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, are you on livecd ?
[19:32] <tonyt> Trident_Barclay try going into your bios and see if there is an option to see if you can set it to legacy
[19:32] <Trident_Barclay> we arent all compter savvy
[19:33] <tonyt> it could be a UEFI problem. if you set it to legacy, that might help
[19:33] <Trident_Barclay> its set to both
[19:33] <Trident_Barclay> plus it needs to be uefi
[19:33] <Trident_Barclay> as windows 10 is on uefi#
[19:33] <ioria> it can't
[19:33] <Trident_Barclay> but it is
[19:34] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, are you on livecd ?
[19:34] <tonyt> windows 10 doesnt need uefi. it will still run in/on legacy
[19:34] <tonyt> works on my machine
[19:34] <Trident_Barclay> i checked, its on gpt partition, and bois mode is uefi
[19:34] <thebope> Hello, I've had an issue when SSH'd into my Ubuntu machines (both 18.04 LTS and 17.04) where when I'm running something which requires a y/n input to continue it just aborts before I can respond and then I have to enter the command again, say with sudo apt-get install ...
[19:34] <thebope> Is that normal?
[19:35] <Trident_Barclay> windwos 10 maty run on legacy, but ubuntu seeing windows 10 is the problem
[19:35] <tonyt> ok i guess if you got it set to gpt then uefi is required. you coule always get rid of gpt
[19:36] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, last time: are you on livecd atm ?
[19:36] <Trident_Barclay> i dont know what that is
[19:36] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, the usb installer
[19:36] <Trident_Barclay> im on my other laptop
[19:36] <Trident_Barclay> i have windows 10 on my ssd in other computer
[19:36] <Trident_Barclay> and i am trying to install a dal boot, via usb
[19:36] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, boot the usb
[19:36] <Trident_Barclay> dual*
[19:37] <Trident_Barclay> ok
[19:37] <tomreyn> thebope: no, unless the something you ran provided the answer to that prompt
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: Without knowing the full command that you entered, there is no way to know for sure what is causing that to happen
[19:37] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, try mode
[19:37] <Trident_Barclay> booted, no i get the ubuntu installer
[19:37] <Trident_Barclay> mode where? sorry
[19:38] <thebope> sudo apt install gcc
[19:38] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, the main menu: install, try, etc. etc .
[19:38] <thebope> but it's happened several times for me lately, maybe it's some sort of SSH connection issue?
[19:38] <Trident_Barclay> ok. im trying ubuntu
[19:38] <Trident_Barclay> its booted
[19:38] <thebope> Thankfully using -y usually gets me through, but it's odd
[19:39] <thebope> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort. <- Is the last line before I'm returned to my prompt
[19:39] <tomreyn> thebope: if it's just this exact comand you ran then the prompt should not get overridden.
[19:39] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, let it load the desktop, and  run in terminal : sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:39] <Trident_Barclay> is that two commands seperate or one long one ?
[19:40] <thebope> tomreyn: Yea that's why I'm confused as to why it happens
[19:40] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, it's a pipe, so one
[19:40] <BLZbubba> ok this DNS problem is super annoying - I configured network manager to search in "foo.local" by default, and it works when i search for the host name without the foo.local part - but it doesn't even try to look up addresses that are fully qualified, e.g. ping "hostname.foo.local" fails but "ping hostname" works
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: are you accidentally pressing the enter key twice
[19:40] <thebope> And this isn't the only time, it's happened plenty on other apt-gets and stuff
[19:40] <BLZbubba> any idea how to straighten that out?  i used tcpdump and it isn't even trying to send traffic on port 53
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: Also, have you tried a different keyboard?
[19:41] <tomreyn> thebope: it's not likely (but not impossible) that the ssh connection would cause it. which other commands does it happen on?
[19:41] <Trident_Barclay> I   have to try to type,  i cant paste it.  hard to see the correctformat.
[19:41] <tomreyn> thebope: does it sometimes type characters on the shell while you are not actually doing anything?
[19:41] <thebope> pragmaticenigma: possibly that could have happened once or twice but I can't imagine so many times like that, yea another keyboard would be the way to go in that case, seems I can type fine. It's mostly apt-get commands tomreyn. Stuff that requires the Y/n at the end
[19:41] <Trident_Barclay> sorry, i cant see that format  -i or -1 or -l
[19:42] <thebope> tomreyn: No that's the thing, seems like nothing else I do enters any additional characters beyond what I type
[19:42] <Trident_Barclay> can you pm me please, i dont want to disturb everyone else
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | Trident_Barclay
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: PMs are discouraged, keep the conversation here so everyone can learn as well as ensure you're getting accurate advice
[19:43] <Trident_Barclay> i msorry, i cant manage to type that command.
[19:43] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  it's a lowercase  L
[19:43] <tomreyn> thebope: can you show us your configured aliases? run:   alias | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:43] <Trident_Barclay> ok
[19:43] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  use nickname or i'l lose you
[19:43] <thebope> Huh that's pretty neat you can just send that to paste like that
[19:43] <Trident_Barclay> and that other line?  i cant see it on my keyboard
[19:44] <Trident_Barclay> nickname?
[19:44] <thebope> http://termbin.com/4mzq
[19:44] <thebope> I don't see anything out of the ordinary
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> Trident_Barclay: Prefix everything you're saying to ioria by starting the line with ioria's name. You can type a few letters and press tab in most IRC programs to auto complete.
[19:44] <Trident_Barclay> i dont understnd use nickname
[19:44] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, yeah, that ^
[19:45] <tomreyn> thebope: me neither. does it happen with both apt and apt-get ?
[19:45] <Trident_Barclay> ioria better?
[19:45] <thebope> tomreyn: I'd have to keep better track
[19:45] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, yep
[19:45] <thebope> I just finally decided to ask this time
[19:45] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  how to get that line after the small l ?
[19:45] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, just type :  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:46] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i cant find that line before 'nc'
[19:46] <thebope> Well I'll be doing some admin stuff for a bit, I don't have access to another keyboard for about a month until I get home, but I'll give that a go then too and try to report back
[19:46] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,   run    sudo parted -l   ... what you see ?
[19:46] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i cant find it on my keyboard
[19:46] <thebope> I'll try to take some better notes see if I can narrow it down a bit
[19:47] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,   are yo trolling ?   i said  run   '  sudo parted -l  '
[19:47] <tomreyn> thebope: also aptitude is another option (though you'd need to learn it, and it's a bit legacy i think)
[19:47] <thebope> Thanks tomreyn and pragmaticenigma for at least confirming it's definitely not normal
[19:47] <thebope> aptitude is another package manager right?
[19:47] <Trident_Barclay> ioria no i am NOT trolling i just need help.
[19:47] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,   sudo parted -l
[19:48] <Trident_Barclay> ioria it says command not found
[19:48] <tomreyn> thebope: yes, so to say
[19:48] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,   please
[19:48] <Trident_Barclay> ioria its wokred now#
[19:48] <utonto> ciao
[19:48] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, i'am done
[19:48] <tomreyn> thebope: it has two modes, classic (like atp + apt-get) and a text-ui
[19:48] <utonto> !list
[19:48] <Trident_Barclay> ioria sorry its hard to see the test and type it the same
[19:48] <thebope> Oh! Trident_Barclay The pipe character | should be up above your backslash \, it's on the far right above shift for me
[19:49] <Trident_Barclay> its oo, ioria is done wirth me cos i dont nderstand the text format.  thinks im a troll
[19:49] <Trident_Barclay> i just need helo because i cant do it. thats all
[19:49] <Trident_Barclay> sorry to not be saccy enugh
[19:49] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, ok, let's paste the output
[19:50] <thebope> Huh, maybe I'll check it out tomreyn. But for now I'll just power through with -y. It's sort of the same since I'm reading the output then confirming anyways =P
[19:50] <Trident_Barclay> ioria paste how?  its on my other system
[19:50] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999    and cp the url
[19:51] <thebope> Trident_Barclay: If you run the command then pipe it into nc termbin.com 9999 you'll get a paste you can post the link to here
[19:51] <thebope> You'll have to type it since it sounds like you're on two computers at once but the urls are intentionally short
[19:51] <tomreyn> thebope: true. i guess it works for this very prompt.
[19:51] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, you don't find | ?  install pastebinit and pastebinit <( sudo parted -l  )
[19:51] <thebope> Yea if I ever hit anything more complicated I might be doomed
[19:52] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i can see the line on my keyboard, but it makes an arrow when i press it, even with caps lock
[19:52] <Trident_Barclay> and the termbin command didnt do anything
[19:53] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit
[19:53] <thebope> Trident_Barclay: if you can find an example of the pipe character | you could just copy it
[19:54] <Trident_Barclay> ioria its installing
[19:54] <thebope> Can you find a pipe on the other system, then you could just have it to paste when you needed it
[19:54] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,    pastebinit <( sudo parted -l  )
[19:55] <tomreyn> thebope: you may also want to run "debsums --all --silent apt expect" to ensure your packages are properly installed and binaries are unmodified, uninstall 'expect', wade through the configurations in  /etc/apt/ to see whether there is some automation in place causing this 'n' character to enetered automatically on this prompt
[19:55] <Trident_Barclay> ioria and the pastebin command?  its long gone, cant find it
[19:55] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,    pastebinit <( sudo parted -l  )
[19:55] <thebope> tomreyn: would it necessarily be an n? Could it also be some other character besides n or y
[19:56] <thebope> The weird thing is that this is the second of two VPS's on which this has been happening
[19:56] <thebope> with different Ubuntu versions, so I'm leaning towards something external
[19:56] <tomreyn> thebope: you're probably right,after all the 'n' is not printed on screen (i think it normally is). so maybe it's more of a nul byte or ctrl-d or something
[19:57] <Trident_Barclay> pastebinit:  /p/dk5ZTvyPFT/
[19:57] <thebope> ha, of course I get the issue when I try to install debsums lol
[19:57] <Trident_Barclay> ioria can you see it ?
[19:58] <thebope> expect does not appear to be installed
[19:58] <tomreyn> thebope: oh its a VPS, how was it installed? is there /var/log/installer/media-info ?
[19:58] <thebope> hmm let me check
[19:59] <thebope> seems pretty standard in /etc/apt, just some sources lists and some trusted keys
[19:59] <Trident_Barclay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dk5ZTvyPFT/
[19:59] <tomreyn> thebope: also, be aware that 17.04 is end of life for a good while now.
[19:59] <thebope> Yea tomreyn, yea that's why I got the 18.04 machine
[19:59] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  did yo ustart the ubunt uinstaller in efi mode ?
[19:59] <thebope> Pain in my butt
[19:59] <Trident_Barclay> ioria, i have no option to do that.  i tried to, but it wont seem to do it.
[19:59] <thebope> No I don't have any /var/log/installer/media-info
[20:00] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  and how did you do the usb ? i mean, what software did you use  ?
[20:00] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i booted windows in uefi mode, but ubuntu will onlystart in normal mode with the colour screen, it wont go into uefi m,ode with the simple black screen
[20:00] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  rufus.  ive domne it many times and it works on single boot
[20:00] <tomreyn> thebope: does the /var/log/installer directory exist, though?
[20:01] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, yes, rufus works
[20:01] <thebope> no it doesn't
[20:01] <Traump> Iora is that from USB
[20:01] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  but i cant boot ubntu in uefo mode even if i try
[20:01] <thebope> apt, nginx, stuff like that, not much in /vor/log
[20:01] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  secure boot enabled ?
[20:01] <tomreyn> thebope: then it was probably imaged from an (hopefully) golden image.
[20:01] <Trident_Barclay> ioria it was but i disavbled it
[20:02] <thebope> tomreyn: Ah yea I assume it'd be whatever Digital Ocean's golden image is
[20:02] <Traump> Ioria is it from USB
[20:02] <Traump> Ioria from USB?
[20:02] <Trident_Barclay> i have to enter windows 10 first, adn select uefi restart, right?  then boot from usb?
[20:02] <thebope> They have some pretty decent ubuntu server docs which are really helpful
[20:02] <tomreyn> thebope: oh its digital ocean. i would assume they do it properly, though.
[20:02] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, what ?
[20:03] <thebope> Yea that's my feeling as well
[20:03] <tomreyn> thebope: well, no clue then, good luck finding it out.
[20:03] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, you boot the usb from bios
[20:03] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  the way to boot in uefi mode.  i have to go to advanced start up in windows
[20:03] <thebope> tomreyn: hey thanks for all the help
[20:03] <tomreyn> :)
[20:03] <ioria> Trident_Barclay, nope
[20:03] <Traump> Ioria is this USB or installed
[20:03] <thebope> I'll try another keyboard in a month and see if that does anything
[20:03] <Trident_Barclay> ioria, well thats easy.  but it wont see windwos 10 when i try to install
[20:03] <ioria> Traump, can i help you ?
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: if it is a remote connection thing... what program are you using to remotely connect with?
[20:04] <thebope> pragmaticenigma: just ssh from terminal
[20:04] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  so what 'the way to boot in uefi mode.  i have to go to advanced start up in window' means ?
[20:04] <Trident_Barclay> ioria how do i know ubuntu is booting in uefi mode anyway?
[20:04] <Traump> Rufus try DD mode to burn USB
[20:04] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i dont know im just not good at this
[20:05] <thebope> It's going from Europe to NYC but that doesn't seem so ridiculous, I could probably trace the route and see if there's an excessive number of hops
[20:05] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  i told you .... from bios
[20:05] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i saw a guide and it said to do that
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> Traump: You might want to hang out for a bit to get a feel for the conversation before jumping in. Trident_Barclay is currently being helpped by ioria and farely far along already
[20:05] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  the ubuntu iso are hybrid ; you can boot in legacy and efi mode
[20:05] <Trident_Barclay> ioria im trying
[20:05] <thebope> Maybe since it's sudo the machine inadvertently cuts off the connection for security but that seems silly since I can just run the command again without entering my password again
[20:06] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  select efi mode
[20:06] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i dont know what to do now. i will try to make sure it is selected
[20:06] <thebope> It's a mystery I tell you! An unpragmaticengima =P
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: doubtful, or thats a really odd configuration
[20:06] <thebope> Yea that sounds off to me too
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: I found one very esoteric posting on google groups so far... and it's only suggestion was to issue the -y on the command
[20:07] <Trident_Barclay> ioria its now on uefi only.  and should i uncheck 'csm' support ?
[20:07] <thebope> Yea I think that's probably how I found out about that flag as I didn't know it existed before I started having this issue
[20:08] <thebope> It's very strange, I'd imagine if keyboard input was the problem I'd have other issues typing commands or my passwords, but those seem to work fine
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: no one added an "expect" automation helpper?
[20:09] <thebope> I don't seem to have expect installed at all
[20:09] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  let's try it
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> thebope: probably a good thing
[20:09] <Trident_Barclay> ioria try it disabled?
[20:09] <thebope> Yea I don't need to add more quirk to my routine here, I usually don't like to assume options in general anyways
[20:10] <thebope> I'm not at that level of server management
[20:10] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  you installed win in efi mode, so you need to install ubuntu in the same way
[20:10] <Trident_Barclay> ioria im askignabot csm support  its under uefi option.   on or off ?
[20:10] <Trident_Barclay> ioria asking about*
[20:10] <Traump> I am telling u. USB in dd mode using Rufus
[20:10] <Traump> Trident_barclay when that guy ruins you. I will try to help
[20:11] <Trident_Barclay> Traump  thats kind of you.  im just turning on uefi mode in bios, and dont know i should turn off 'csm' support or not
[20:12] <Trident_Barclay> please anyone?  csm on or off. i cant proceed as i dont know
[20:12] <Traump> Off
[20:13] <Traump> Csm on secure boot off
[20:14] <Trident_Barclay> well, the boot up menu looked different.  simple and black.  maybe it worked
[20:14] <Trident_Barclay> ive got try ubuntu selected.  and its booted up.  anything i sghold do next?  or just try to install ?
[20:15] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  try to install
[20:15] <Traump> Csm on means it will boot using uefi. Secure boot off because Ubuntu does not have secure keys.
[20:16] <Trident_Barclay> sorry traump, i thoughtwe wanted csm off. i dontunderstand.  but nevermind.. lets see if it works
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> Hi
[20:17] <Traump> If your windows was installed with csm on. And you install Ubuntu with it off. You'll lose dual boot
[20:18] <Trident_Barclay> well.. intersting. i hav a new option ' install ubuntu alongside windows boot manager'
[20:18] <Trident_Barclay> but will ubuntu work if i try to install it with csm on ?
[20:18] <ElinKattunge> Oh installing Linux first, and Windows last is annoyng.
[20:18] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  you finally boot the installer in the correct way (efi)
[20:18] <ElinKattunge> Microsoft are disrespectful when it comes to other peoples configurations.
[20:19] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  i dont see 'install alongside windows 10'    just 'install along side windows boot manager'
[20:19] <Trident_Barclay> it seems so elin.   so should i restart the procedire with csm turned on ?
[20:19] <Traump> It will work. You'll just have to switch csm back and forth to use the OS you want to run
[20:20] <Trident_Barclay> wow..  thats nasty.  better to install it with it switched on.  if it works ?
[20:21] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  that is the option
[20:21] <Trident_Barclay> ioria  ok .  i will proceed, just waiting for clarification abot csm
[20:21] <Traump> Trident_barclay are you serious
[20:22] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  again , you did not start the usb in efi mode: no csm involded
[20:22] <Trident_Barclay> Traump  about waht?
[20:22] <Trident_Barclay> ioria i think i did start it in efi mode?  oh i dont know, its too much for me really
[20:22] <ioria> Trident_Barclay,  nope
[20:22] <Traump> Ioria depends on how his windows system is installed
[20:23] <ioria> good luck all
[20:23] <Trident_Barclay> will it instal with csm turned on or no ?
[20:23] <Traump> How was it set with Windows
[20:24] <Trident_Barclay> probably on,, as i never toched it before.  but i dont know cos it wasnt set to uefi mode, but 'both' and'lgacy first'
[20:24] <Trident_Barclay> and i only get csm option if i change it to uefi only
[20:25] <Trident_Barclay> ioria has had enuff.  im not trying to be difficult. i jsut dont know how to do it.  its harder for me that you guys, i assure you
[20:26] <Traump> Uefi was engineered by Microsoft to lock machines only to windows. Only windows has the secure boot keys.
[20:26] <Trident_Barclay> i'll just install it as it is then, csm off.  nothing to do
[20:26] <Traump> You can still use uefi with Ubuntu but have to disable secure boot
[20:27] <Trident_Barclay> ohh. somertrhing wrong
[20:27] <Trident_Barclay> npo option to select disk space
[20:27] <Trident_Barclay> just a warning that the disk will be wiped
[20:27] <Trident_Barclay> thats not right
[20:27] <Trident_Barclay> i have an unallocetd space i wanted to use, but no options for disk management
[20:27] <Traump> Public outcry forced bios board manufacturers to allow other OS installation
[20:28] <Trident_Barclay> install ubuntu'alongside windows boot manager'  will maybe erase my windows os itself
[20:29] <Trident_Barclay> I can try the 'something else' option, but what to select?
[20:30] <Trident_Barclay> please advise , i cant proceed
[20:31] <Trident_Barclay> hello?
[20:31] <Viking667> 'llo all. Strange little problem, sound device keeps reverting to USB headphones each reboot. What should I check?
[20:31] <Traump> Trident_barclay I can't advise because I have no idea if you want dual boot. Or what way windows was installed
[20:31] <Viking667> By the way, this is 18.04
[20:32] <Trident_Barclay> Traump yes i want dual boot.  thats why im here. i dont know how it was installed really
[20:32] <Traump> Viking667 unplug headphones
[20:32] <Viking667> *sigh*. It's that simple???
[20:33] <Trident_Barclay> nevermind.. trying the install m,yself
[20:33] <Trident_Barclay> nothing else to do
[20:33] <Traump> Trident_barclay reboot into windows with csm on. See if it boots. If not try csm off
[20:33] <Ridley5> hi all
[20:33] <Ridley5> i have a big problem on video playing
[20:33] <Trident_Barclay> ok
[20:33] <Ridley5> my cpu is 100%
[20:34] <Viking667> Specs?
[20:34] <Ridley5> anyone can help me to install propriatary driver for my graphic card please
[20:34] <Traump> Viking667 in sound settings. You can set default output
[20:34] <Viking667> Traump: yes, and when I do that, the sound device changes. On a reboot, it gets reset back to the headphones.
[20:34] <Viking667> That's the issue I'm trying to sort.
[20:35] <Trident_Barclay> Traump it boots with csm of. now  trying csm on  from a shutdown not a restart.  if that makes a difference
[20:36] <Trident_Barclay> Traump it seems to boot from both exactly the same
[20:37] <Traump> Ridley5 you have AMD Nvidia or Intel GPU
[20:37] <Traump> Trident_barclay you saved bios before rebooting
[20:38] <Ridley5> thanks for the reply Traump, i have Intel GPU, and this occur only with web browser
[20:39] <Ridley5> my pc is tool old it's a Toshiba L350
[20:39] <Trident_Barclay> Traump yea it is the same both ways
[20:39] <Ridley5> but the same youtube video play ok, with normal cpy use with mps-youtube
[20:39] <Ridley5> *cpu
[20:39] <Viking667> Ridley5: which browser?
[20:39] <Traump> Try open up setting. Select hardware. Install proprietary hardware should be an option.
[20:39] <Trident_Barclay> Traump so you think its safer to install ubntu with csm on or off?  since we dont know whats best, maybe we can choose the 'safest' option
[20:40] <Ridley5> i trated FIrefox Quantum 61 and Chromium Traump
[20:40] <Ridley5> *trayed
[20:40] <Traump> Trident_barclay I never heard of an installed Windows booting both uefi on and off
[20:41] <Viking667> So, both those you tried. I think the web browser is not good at playing youtube videos, I see the same on my 2008-era machine.
[20:41] <Trident_Barclay> Traump i dont know waht csm is, but it boots both ways
[20:41] <Viking667> Ridley5: What resolution are you choosing for your video? And what resolution's your screen set to?
[20:41] <Ridley5> the terminal player mps-youtube is very good but less fonctionnality
[20:42] <Ridley5> 1920*1080 it's an external screen on vga port
[20:43] <Viking667> That's your reason.
[20:43] <Ridley5> oh !
[20:43] <Traump> Ridley667 just go in settings. Look for other hardware. Then choose install proprietary hardware
[20:43] <Viking667> Your screen's normally 1440x900 if you were using the laptop
[20:43] <Ridley5> the intenral screen is brocken and i removed it completely from my laptop
[20:43] <Viking667> But yes, what Traump says is correct.
[20:44] <Trident_Barclay> Traump well im using the'something else' option to install on to my free partition.  lets see if it screws everything up or not
[20:44] <Ridley5> so i must buy  a new one
[20:44] <Ridley5> thanks Viking667 & Traump :)
[20:44] <Viking667> No, but you might have to think smarter about what screen resolution you use
[20:44] <what> dfsdfsfsf
[20:45] <Viking667> Ridley5: try 720p videos instead of 1080p
[20:45] <Guest85413> you knew about usb transiention ?
[20:45] <Viking667> Those should still be crisp enough on a 1080p screen to not really notice. Heck, it's youtube.
[20:46] <Ridley5> the problem is that with mps-youtube i can play normally with no higher cpu use
[20:46] <Traump> Ridley5 what does vdpauinfo show in the terminal
[20:47] <Ridley5> display: :0.0   screen: 0 Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:49] <GrandPa-G> Does anyone know where I can get help on bluetooth, in particular PAN?
[20:50] <Trident_Barclay> It worked!
[20:50] <massive> does anyone know where I could find information on usb communication? thanks to all those present
[20:50] <DeHackEd> is there an up-to-date version of instructions on doing a debootstrap of, say, 18.04? install fails shortly after downloading a bunch of .deb files and my chroot dir has nothing useful in it beyond debootstrap's own logs and the .debs
[20:51] <Trident_Barclay> Traump  It worked !  same boot up screen, both os options appear
[20:52] <thebope> congrats Trident_Barclay!
[20:52] <thebope> That sounded difficult
[20:52] <thebope> I don't remember having so much difficulties when I set my Mac up to dual boot
[20:52] <Traump> Ridley5 how about vainfo
[20:53] <Trident_Barclay> Phew.  im really gratefull for the step by step help.  i get lost in links and text, i dont know which way to turn.  its awseome to have ubuntu and windows 10 on my ssd now.  Thanks very much
[20:54] <Traump> Ridley5 try vainfo
[20:54] <Ridley5> vainfo: Driver version: Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) GM45 Express Chipset - 1.7.0
[20:54] <Ridley5> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
[20:54] <Ridley5>       VAProfileMPEG2Simple            :    VAEntrypointVLD
[20:54] <Ridley5>       VAProfileMPEG2Main              :    VAEntrypointVLD
[20:55] <Traump> Ridley5 when you installed. Did you select third party software
[20:55] <Ridley5>  i dont remember Traump sorry
[20:59] <samcoldham1> anyone know how to change nickname priorty when irc server connects
[20:59] <Trident_Barclay> oh, just saw some insulting pm from traump  why do that ?
[20:59] <B4daBing73> Hello guys
[21:00] <massive> hello B4 i'm skyflyer
[21:00] <B4daBing73> I just installed Ubuntu 18.04 on my laptop... Strange thing is that it will only boot into grub mode (command line). Any idea how to fix this?
[21:04] <thebope> Trident_Barclay: It's not all flowers and daisies on the internet, maybe just be happy you got what you needed ;-)
[21:05] <Trident_Barclay> thebope  lol true.  he called me a punk and a bum in pm for some reason.  then proceeded to help me lol.  i didnt see it til now.   odd guy
[21:05] <thebope> lol
[21:05] <thebope> kinda funny, seems to know a lot about ubuntu though
[21:06]  * Viking667 departs
[21:06] <Trident_Barclay> yea  even smart guys can be nasty lol
[21:10] <samcoldham1> is there a custom firmware from ubuntu for routers
[21:43] <data09>  "Release file for http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-backports/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 5h 33min 8s). Updates for this repository will not be applied."  time is set correctly to UTC. any ideas?
[21:44] <data09> tried diff repo. didnt work
[21:45] <tomreyn> data09: time is set to utc, but is the time correct, too?
[21:46] <data09> tomreyn, yes
[21:46] <tomreyn> the file at the given URL states "Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:13:27 UTC", which is in the past
[21:47] <tomreyn> and apt update was shipped today, i think, maybe it fixes a related issue.
[21:48] <tomreyn> can we see "date" and "date -u" from this system?
[21:48] <data09> ok
[21:49] <data09> Mon Jul  9 09:47:15 MDT 2018
[21:49] <MysticReverie> How to install veracrypt ?  it snot coming up in software center.  do i have t oenable something to get more search results ?
[21:49] <data09> Mon Jul  9 15:48:49 UTC 2018
[21:50] <tomreyn> data09: so that's wrong. i dont know about your local time but the UTC time is wrong.
[21:50] <hggdh> data09: right now it is around 21:51 UTC
[21:51] <data09> tomreyn, im not sure wat to do
[21:51] <tomreyn> data09: set the correct timezone and make sure you have a time synchronization daemon (chrony or ntp) installed and running properly.
[21:52] <data09> ok
[21:52] <tomreyn> i think there is timezonectl for the former task
[21:52] <tomreyn> timedatectl
[21:53] <MysticReverie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/929195/recommended-way-to-use-veracrypt-in-ubuntu
[21:53] <MysticReverie> im using the command lines there to install veracrypt,  but it wont work
[21:54] <tomreyn> data09: if this is a multi boot system with windows, make sure you modify the windows registry so that it doesn't set the hardware clock to your local timezone, but keeps it at UTC.
[21:54] <MysticReverie> a few errors.  maybes its out of date.  and new idea please?
[21:54] <data09> tomreyn, it is dual boot. win set to utc
[21:54] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: why do you want to use veracrypt in the first place. do you need to open containers created on a different OS with it?
[21:55] <MysticReverie> i used it before, and that is what my encrypoted folder was made with it seems to work well also.  but how to install ?
[21:55] <tomreyn> data09: okay, but your UTC time is off, so make sure you set it correctly.
[21:56] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: whats your ubuntu version? lsb_release -ds
[21:56] <MysticReverie> its ubuntu 18.04.  the newest i think.  maybe i have to enable third part or some other software option for vera to appear in software center, i cant remember how i did it before
[21:57] <data09> Current default time zone: 'Etc/UTC'
[21:57] <data09> Local time is now:      Mon Jul  9 15:55:28 UTC 2018.
[21:57] <data09> Universal Time is now:  Mon Jul  9 15:55:28 UTC 2018.
[21:58] <hggdh> still wrong
[21:58] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: this PPA is listed on a couple websites and provides a veracrypt build for 18.04 from march this year: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/encryption?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:58] <data09> doesnt happen on 16.04
[21:58] <tomreyn> !ppa | MysticReverie
[21:58] <tomreyn> ^ read this WARNING
[21:59] <MysticReverie> well it seemed to work ok before
[22:00] <hggdh> MysticReverie: it very well may owrk perfectly. It is just not supported
[22:00] <MysticReverie> is  that dengerous ?
[22:01] <Paulser> Quick question I understand Ubuntu collects data about my system to review stuff. I want to grab that data to help support issues I submit on github. where is this text file.
[22:01] <hggdh> MysticReverie: <shrug/> it all depends on who built the PPA, and how trustful they are
[22:01] <MysticReverie> i installed thos etwo lines in to the terminal.,  but i dont think vercrypt is installed still
[22:01] <MysticReverie> do i have to do something else ?
[22:01] <confluency> Yes, you need to install the package.
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont know how to do that without a gui
[22:02] <confluency> Then use the GUI.
[22:02] <MysticReverie> its not available in software center
[22:02] <confluency> Did you check after you added the PPA?
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont know.  i just put in the two lines from the link
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont understand it much
[22:03] <confluency> You probably shouldn't copy and paste instructions without understanding what they do.
[22:03] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: i think software center has a small icon to the top right where you can update it
[22:03] <confluency> You have added a third-party repository.
[22:03] <MysticReverie> i have not much choice.  people cant guide me here 24/7
[22:03] <confluency> Now you need to install the package. Either in the GUI or on the commandline.
[22:03] <MysticReverie> ok. i will try to look
[22:03] <DalekSec> IIRC, that package doesn't have an appdata file, so not sure Software Center will find it.
[22:04] <tomreyn> actually, click on updates, then top left
[22:04] <tomreyn> okay then you'd need to install synaptic, a graphical package manager for apt.
[22:04] <MysticReverie> its uodated bubt still cant see vera there
[22:04] <confluency> Or install the package on the commandline.
[22:04] <tomreyn> (or start using a temrinal)
[22:04] <confluency> For that you need to know the package name.
[22:05] <tomreyn> !terminal | MysticReverie
[22:05] <MysticReverie> id rather avoid terminal as much as possible if i can
[22:05] <confluency> Why?
[22:05] <MysticReverie> i dont like it
[22:05] <MysticReverie> its very difficult
[22:05] <confluency> If you never use it because you keep avoiding it, you will never learn it, and it will always seem difficult.
[22:06] <MysticReverie> i dont want to learn it., its too much study.,  i use it when people tell me what to paste in it. otherwise i dont much
[22:06] <MysticReverie> i was told i wont need to use terminal much anyway if i use ubuntu ?
 okay then you'd need to install synaptic, a graphical package manager for apt.
[22:06] <MysticReverie> ok, thanks
[22:07] <confluency> Well, if you look at that PPA page, it looks like the veracrypt package is called veracrypt. So you can install it by typing sudo apt install veracrypt.
[22:07] <confluency> Assuming that you have already done an apt update, it should find it.
[22:07] <MysticReverie> it sinstalling thanks
[22:08] <MysticReverie> is it worth installing synaptic package also ? for future use?
[22:08] <confluency> You can do most common tasks in Ubuntu without using the terminal, but that doesn't mean that it's efficient to do all those tasks without the terminal. And there are some uncommon things there just aren't GUIs for.
[22:08] <confluency> I don't know; I only use apt on the commandline.
[22:09] <MysticReverie> that fine if you enjoy learning terminal stuff, and have lots of time on your hands,  but its not for me
[22:09] <confluency> I don't have lots of time on my hands; that's why I use the terminal for a lot of things. It's more efficient.
[22:09] <data09> tomreyn, nothing is working. i tried ntpdate to update time
[22:09] <DalekSec> synaptic isn't quite as user friendly, but Software Center really isn't good at finding things.
[22:09] <blkadder> "Terminal stuff."
[22:10] <MysticReverie> it takes too long to learn and i hav eno interest in it
[22:10] <confluency> Look, you do you, but avoiding the terminal is like avoiding driving. As long as you're within walking distance of everything you need, or near good public transport, you're fine -- but sometimes you're going to have a transportation problem.
[22:10] <MysticReverie> cxna u stoio forcing me into terminal please?
[22:10] <p0a> Hello I messed around with my ssl cert files (deleted them) and now I can't use wget (say wget https://google.com/), how can I fix this?
[22:10] <MysticReverie> stop*
[22:11] <Toadisattva> by the time you go to the software center, install synaptic, add the ppa, reload it to update, find the package and install it, you done coulda installed via command line and made a nice cup of tea :P
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i dont like it and dont want to learn it
[22:11] <confluency> I'm not forcing you to do anything.
[22:11] <blkadder> Mmm. Tea.
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i jus tfind it too hard and frustrating. end of story
[22:11] <confluency> I'm answering your question about how much you're likely to need the terminal in Ubuntu.
[22:11] <Paulser> I think it fine to avoid the terminal but I do use it myself. I do understand you do not want to use a terminal.
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i dont use computers to study them. just use the mas easily as possible
[22:12] <blkadder> If you expect to be able to do everything you need to via a GUI you're likely to be disappointed.
[22:12] <tomreyn> data09: use chrony or ntp(d), not ntpdate.
[22:12] <blkadder> Or frustrated.
[22:12] <p0a> MysticReverie: the easiest way is to hire someone to do it for you
[22:12] <MysticReverie> the npeople should stop telling me linux can be used almost with never goin in terminal
[22:12] <confluency> You're attributing motivations to other people that they don't have. I don't "study" computers either.
[22:12] <MysticReverie>  a lie then i guess ?
[22:12] <blkadder> An exaggeration.
[22:12] <MysticReverie> jus tdrop it. i dont like studying terminal commands.,  thats it
[22:12] <blkadder> Depends on what you need to do.
[22:13] <p0a> MysticReverie: What was it you were trying to do ?
[22:13] <tomreyn> data09: and while having time synchronization working is important, i'm not convinced this is going to solve what seems to be an incorrect timezone configuration on this system.
[22:13] <DalekSec> p0a: Do you remember what you did
[22:13] <DalekSec> ?  You may be able to just dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
[22:14] <MysticReverie> p0a  im ok thanks.  jus tgetting things sorted out on my new installation.  just saying i dont like terminal much
[22:14] <p0a> DalekSec: I remember that the software I installed included ca-certificates-mono which installed 148 new certs; I deleted a file that had 148 lines
[22:15] <Viking667> weird. I poked system files, but user files don't want to match what the system suggests.
[22:15] <Viking667> 64-bit Ubuntu 18.04, USB headphones, and default speakers.
[22:16] <Viking667> System always chooses the headphones as default when a user logs in, even when the system default is set to use the speakers (/etc/pulse/default.pa)
[22:17] <Sven_vB> I added a wifi connection in addition to my ethernet and now whenever my wifi AP becomes visible (or goes away, not entirely sure), my computer forgets its default gateway. any ideas? both networks have config files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, both configured for IPv4 only, ethernet has a line like "address1=192.168.1.4/24,192.168.1.1", wifi has a line like "address1=192.168.2.4/24,192.168.2.2", so usually I'd expect to
[22:17] <Sven_vB> see both gateways in "route -n" after I restart network manager.
[22:17] <Viking667> So, aside from unplugging the headphones (which have a microphone device attached), what else should I look at? I've deleted the user's .config/pulse directory and promptly rebooted, but pulseaudio always defaults to those headphones for some reason.
[22:17] <Viking667> What's even weirder is that google chrome will use the speakers as its sound device.
[22:18] <Paulser> Veracrypt there a good video on youtube called Linux GUI encryption (2018) by Average Linux User
[22:18] <Paulser> if you still interested
[22:22] <Paulser> I got question anyone now where this Ubuntu 18.04 data collection file stored. I be interested in using it for support submissions on Github or forums etc?
[22:22] <p0a> DalekSec: I can't see google's cert with dpkg-reconfigure. Which one is it supposed to be?
[22:23] <p0a> DalekSec: `wget' complains about `CN=Google Internet Authority G3,O=Google Trust Services'
[22:25] <gaap>  /axp_ajuda
[22:31] <p0a> DalekSec: This worked for me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/420860/problem-with-certificates (the second option)
[22:31] <p0a> DalekSec: if you are interested
[22:31] <p0a> thanks a lot! bye
[22:37] <Paulser> Just incase anyone interested I decided to use Neofetch to get information for support forums. It solved me issue bye everyone
[22:45] <data09> tomreyn, my utc time is correct now. but still wont update
[22:49] <Randolf> What the hell is this update?  It's called "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft-signed binary)."  I just got away from Windows 10 because it b0rked itself repeatedly beyond repair, and now I'm getting Microsoft trash installed by Ubuntu updates?  What the hell is this?  Some kind of a joke?
[22:50] <Randolf> I want to get as far away from Microsoft as possible, and I was told that Linux is the way to go to do that.
[22:50] <Randolf> Everything that Microsoft touches gets screwed up.
[22:56] <Toadisattva> that's just linux bypassing microsofts crappy secure boot bios settings
[22:56] <Toadisattva> nothing to fear here move along netizen
[22:57] <Randolf> Funny, the Microsoft Apologists always say "pay no attention to the man behind the curtains."  I really don't want to any part of Microsoft's crappy shit in my system.
[22:58] <Randolf> Especially in the boot loader.
[22:58] <Randolf> I'm scared to have any Microsoft code involved in the bootloader because I want my system to boot reliably and fast like currently does.  With Microsoft crap in there it's just going to slow down, or worse, fail to boot without any explanation as to why.
[23:00] <Randolf> I just slogged through two weeks of downtime switching away from another Windows 10 meltdown.  Now that I'm on Linux I'm thinking "this is great, now Microsoft is out of my life and my computer actually works fast and reliably now."  And now I'm prompted by Ubuntu to bring the enemy back into my system?
[23:01] <ceibal> ceibsa
[23:01] <ceibal> ceibal
[23:04] <tomreyn> Randolf: read up on secureboot if you want to know what this is about
[23:05] <tomreyn> !secureboot
[23:05] <DeHackEd> is there an up-to-date version of instructions on doing a debootstrap of, say, 18.04? install attmpts fail shortly after downloading a bunch of .deb files and my chroot dir has nothing useful in it beyond debootstrap's own logs and the .debs
[23:05] <Randolf> I read this, which states that it's a "minimalist bootloader":  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/shim-signed
[23:06] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I don't understand why Microsoft's bootloader is needed at all since Linux boots itself just fine with GRUB.
[23:08] <tomreyn> thereis no "microsoft bootloader" involved. there is this minimalist bootloader shim involved, which carries an electronic signature on, which by itself carries an electronic signature by microsoft on it.
[23:09] <Randolf> Oh, it's just a signature in the crypto world?
[23:09] <tomreyn> maybe read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot https://lwn.net/Articles/703001/ https://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/ https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-install-linux-on-its-signature-pcs/
[23:09] <DeHackEd> well something has to be signed. but it has microsoft's signature on it which is what most BIOSs ship with by default to accept
[23:10] <Randolf> If so, then the update should be called "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader signature (Microsoft-signed datafile)" instead.
[23:10] <tomreyn> Randolf: yes, it's just a signature,  without which computers which have their bios set to "secure boot" mode with default certificates will not boot.
[23:10] <Randolf> Thanks everyone.  I feel much better about this now.
[23:11] <Randolf> This update scared the hell out of me.
[23:12] <tomreyn> you probably have other software or 'code' by microsoft installed on your system, such as mstt core fonts.
[23:12] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Yeah, I'm aware of that.  The fonts don't seem to have any problems though.
[23:13] <xar-> DeHackEd: why are you debootstrap-ing :)
[23:13] <tomreyn> also your linux kernel probably has code from them
[23:13] <Randolf> tomreyn:  As long as it's not updating my settings automatically and not interfering with proper operations, then fine.
[23:13] <tomreyn> actually all of this is off-topic here (support channel only), we should talk in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <Randolf> Thanks.
[23:14] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: which debootstrap version are you using, how did you download it? what is the output?
[23:15] <DeHackEd> xar-: because I intend to run it in a chroot
[23:18] <DeHackEd> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RQRQzg5cmj/
[23:18] <DeHackEd> host is centos 6 with some custom software (most notably a 4.9 kernel)
[23:20] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: and that's debootstrap from cosmis?
[23:20] <tomreyn> *cosmic
[23:20] <DeHackEd> tomreyn: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ from the .tar.gz at the bottom of this listing
[23:20] <tomreyn> or from the source code repository?
[23:21] <tomreyn> ok
[23:24] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: i have a vague idea that i read something about .xz support missing from one of the recent but not latest deboostrap versions
[23:24] <xar-> DeHackEd: why not a container?
[23:26] <DeHackEd> xar-: mainly because I intend to run Steam in it and that tends to not go so well when you restrict its view of hardware and sharing an X11 server
[23:26] <DeHackEd> (believe me, I tried)
[23:29] <tomreyn> my statement on deboostrap and xz support referred to 1.0.98, but you were using 1.0.106ubuntu1 so this is not an issue, or should not be. changeloig https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+changelog
[23:33] <TheSov> are snaps loops supposed to stay mounted even after you quit the app?
[23:36] <hggdh> TheSov: yes
[23:42] <t4nk553> hey guys, I want to buy a ryzen 7 1700 processor on AM4, will I still be able to use my kubuntu if I do?
[23:43] <lvrp16> blueman breaks lubuntu-desktop, mate-desktop install in a chroot because of post-inst. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878814
[23:45] <hggdh> lvrp16: is there a bug for Ubuntu? If not, please open one, and link the Debian bug
[23:46] <lvrp16> there's a lot of bug reports but they are not addressed
[23:46] <lvrp16> i don't want to add to the mess
[23:47] <lvrp16> this is broken on the latest bionic with updates
[23:47] <hggdh> lvrp16: that's your call. But without an Ubuntu bug, this has no chance of being fixed except on Cosmic
[23:47] <oerheks> t4nk553, i would reinstall
[23:47] <TheSov> hggdh, any way to auto dismount them?
[23:48] <t4nk553> Yes oerheks, of course, but will the hardware function properly?
[23:48] <t4nk553> compatibility-wise
[23:48] <hggdh> TheSov: probably yes, but then you will not have access to the snap anymore
[23:48] <oerheks> t4nk553, that rysen is out for a year now, i guess it is, not the 2400, that needs kernel 4.16 or up
[23:49] <t4nk553> ok, I was planning for such a later proc, but decided against it anyway
[23:50] <oerheks> TheSov, you *could* unmount a snap, then it does not update, maybe this post is a help https://askubuntu.com/questions/828859/how-to-unmount-and-possibly-delete-old-ubuntu-core-snap
[23:54] <CarlFK> im in a shell (gnome terminal)(not sure it matters what shell)  how can I add a file to the "Recent" list like I see in the various gui file picker dialogs?
[23:55] <t4nk553> thnx for answering my question oerheks, guess I'm gonna look for some amd-support next because I still have some worries about what mem to use
[23:56] <oerheks> t4nk553, there is a ##hardware channel here on #feenode
[23:56] <hggdh> CarlFK: I am not sure it makes sense to add a "recent file" to gnome terminal. As the name states, it is a terminal emulator, not an editor
[23:56] <CarlFK> hggdh: I want to add the file to the gui's list
[23:57] <t4nk553> mmmm ##hardware Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services ... better reconnect then
[23:57] <DeHackEd> don't need to-
[23:57] <hggdh> CarlFK: I am sorry, but I really do not understand what you want
[23:57] <DeHackEd> aw man..
[23:57] <DeHackEd> from the CLI add something to the GUI's "recent files" list
[23:58] <CarlFK> hggdh: If I do carl@twist:~/temp$ display foo.png  (see image viewer) then open gimp, do File/Open, click Recent" I want to see foo.png
[23:58] <t4nk_was_here> *rolling eyes*
[23:59] <t4nk_was_here> guess reconnecting doesn't work