[00:54] <jwm> I'm not new to linux, but I'm not very technically adept.  I'm looking to make an Epson v39 scanner work with my Ununtu 18.04 system.  Can anyone help?  USB recognition is the first hurdle.
[00:55] <tsimonq2> jwm: Maybe try #ubuntu instead.
[00:56] <jwm> tsimonq2: thanks.  I have a request out there.  It's more of a linux than GUI question.
[00:58] <oerheks> http://support.epson.net/linux/en/iscan_c.html drivers in deb and rpm
[00:58] <oerheks> it is a bundle, AFAIK
[00:59] <jwm> oerheks: thanks, I've been there.  I made an error in asking a support question here, though I am thankful for people's polite helpfulness
[00:59] <oerheks> download the debs, cd ~/Downloads, sudo dpkg -i *deb
[00:59] <oerheks> replug the scanner, voila
[01:00] <jwm> I'll give it another go and report back
[01:01] <jwm> the debs are not normal debs, it's a *.tar.gz package that I've already installed.  no luck
[01:04] <oerheks> click on it, fileroller will open, and select 'extract'
[01:05] <oerheks> tar.gz is a compressed file
[01:05] <jwm> indeed, I understand.  I have extracted and installed.  It just hasn't solved the problem
[01:10] <jwm> I understand this is not a support channel.  Any ubuntu discussions?
[01:24] <jwm> ?
 stupid miners that want it all for free, go learn a program language first
[04:30] <tomreyn> i couldnt agree more
[04:30] <tomreyn> you noticed this was about a man in the middle attack?
[04:31] <tomreyn> geez, so many of the ubottu factoids are outdated...
[04:31] <tomreyn> gnome: 	<reply> GNOME was the default desktop environment on Ubuntu up to 10.10. To install the GNOME Shell, type [ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ] in a !terminal. For the GNOME-based !flavor of Ubuntu, see !ubuntu-gnome
[04:32] <oerheks> tomreyn, hacjing a miner, probably
[04:35] <tomreyn> oerheks: maybe. the code was for loading a JS miner into a website, but then it also had a reference to injecting additional html / script code.
[04:35] <tomreyn> i didnt read it thoroughly though
[04:38] <tomreyn> way too many people are taught that money is the only thing which really matters. it's entirely understandable though if you grow up in poverty.
[04:39] <oerheks> millionairs know poverty too
[04:39] <oerheks> :-D
[04:40] <oerheks> fear of losing money is higly harmfull
[04:41] <tomreyn> yes, it causes it.
[04:41] <oerheks> .. and no, i am ugly rich but not a millionaire
[04:41] <tomreyn> :) congrats.
[04:42] <tomreyn> i'm probably lower middle class, in a rich country.
[04:43] <oerheks> a warm house, montly income and clean water from the tap
[04:43]  * oerheks is waiting for the bike to come out of the paintshop
[04:48] <tomreyn> having everything you need covered, and no need to think about how to make it through the month is indeed a luxury.
[04:49] <tomreyn> (and one that i can enjoy)
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:50] <oerheks> oh, we do have our worries, but they are insignificant
[04:50] <oerheks> hi lotus
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> hy oerheks
[05:24] <oerheks> oh ugly... https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-bug-allows-anyone-with-physical-access-to-bypass-your-lock-screen
[05:25] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1777415
[05:44] <tomreyn> my system is safe from this, lightdm just freezes when i wake it up.
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:07] <lordievader> My (Ubuntu) system is safe from this too, it doesn't have a lock-screen.
[06:38] <ducasse> good morning
[07:49] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:49] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:51] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all good here, thanks. how about you?
[07:54] <lordievader> Doing good here. Moving some data to the new drive 😁
[07:58] <ducasse> ooh - new drive? what kind?
[08:02] <lordievader> 4TB WD blue.
[08:02] <lordievader> Normally I take Reds, but this one was a lot cheaper. And the blues that I have in my system run nicely.
[08:13] <ducasse> i usually stick to wd reds myself, blue is the desktop model, right?
[08:14] <EriC^> morning
[08:15] <oerheks> i have 2 blue ones, aren't they for audio/video recorders?
[08:16] <oerheks> that is where i get them from, setup-top-boxes
[08:16] <oerheks> hi EriC^
[08:17] <EriC^> hi oerheks
[08:17] <EriC^> o/
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^ lordievader ducasse
[08:17] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> im formatting customers alienware to bionic
[08:18] <lordievader> 👋
[08:18] <ducasse> oerheks: seems that is purple
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> morning tomreyn
[08:18] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[08:18] <oerheks> hello beautifull
[08:18] <ducasse> \o EriC^
[08:18] <oerheks> oh, what do i do with them, 2x 320 + 500 ..
[08:18] <EriC^> hey ducasse
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> what a cr4p box ton disasemble that alienware jeez
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> grafix card is attached to a whole metal square and behind that sits hd
[08:22] <oerheks> oh, so alienware is hard to format to bionic?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> no, it was pretty fast
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> just first boot is longggg due to new welcome screen lagging
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> needed to check hd first for data recovery
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> but 1TB empty lol
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> and the guy doesnt know what happened
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> weird story
[08:26] <ducasse> "i have no idea what happened" = "i screwed it up"
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/PM2bwdl
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> probably ducasse :p
[08:43] <tomreyn> hi lotuspsychje, sorry, missed the highlight
[08:45] <tomreyn> EriC^: can you (later, when you're done there) explain what happened there with qwebirc's HP system? i'm not sure i understand it, yet.
[08:47] <EriC^> me neither tbh, i was thinking the grub.cfg in the esp was wrong and not pointing to the right fs
[08:47] <EriC^> cause echo $root gave the esp files, but the grub.cfg there is right so beats me :D
[08:48] <EriC^> maybe his actual ../boot/grub.cfg was borked?
[08:48] <tomreyn> it seemed to me like grub saw different storages than the running ubuntu?
[08:48] <EriC^> yeah i dunno about all that hdd magic :D
[08:48] <tomreyn> grub saw two storages, the first one having a single partition
[08:49] <tomreyn> msdos partition table onthe first, gpt on the second storage
[08:49] <EriC^> yup *shrug*
[08:49] <tomreyn> so this uefi seems to be doing something naughty to hide this internal usb storage they have there.
[08:50] <EriC^> yeah what's the relevance of it though
[08:50] <EriC^> it's a hybrid hdd/sdd stuff?
[08:51] <EriC^> see the $root is gpt1 right now which is the esp
[08:52] <EriC^> it's supposed to be set to gpt as per http://termbin.com/jpt4
[08:52] <EriC^> maybe some other efi file is being booted? hmm
[08:53] <tomreyn> i dont think i can follow
[08:53] <tomreyn> just ignore me for now ;)
[08:54] <oerheks> maybe fastboot is not disabled?
[08:54] <EriC^> nope it's loading some efi file and grub
[08:54] <EriC^> and even setting prefix to... oddly enough gpt1/EFI/ubuntu
[08:56] <tomreyn> cold it be one of those integreated linux live boot systems, like some desktop shipped with for a while? i forgot the product names...
[08:57] <EriC^> no idea
[08:58] <EriC^> now it wont boot anymore xD
[09:00] <EriC^> curious one this one :D
[09:00] <tomreyn> indeed, an interesting puzzle they made up there for us at HP.
[09:01] <tomreyn> this is the kind of thing i was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop_OS - but thaT's actually unlikely, i forgot this fashion is a couple years ago by now, and mr. qwebirc's HP isnot that old.
[09:02] <EriC^> i wonder what's on that msdos one now
[09:02] <tomreyn> probably an assortment of the best hp pc utilities you could think of!
[09:03] <EriC^> :D
[09:04] <EriC^> hp usually doesnt play nice with linux uefi
[09:04] <EriC^> im wondering how it's even letting the efi file boot
[09:04] <EriC^> usually you just get windows loading after installing ubuntu with uefi
[09:09] <tomreyn> due to the whitelist you mean? i think they stoped this practice since, but not sure whether that was before this model.
[09:09] <tomreyn> looks like the msdos partitioned storage has vanished, wtf
[09:09] <EriC^> yup
[09:09] <EriC^> my 2 hp's do this, one 2013 one 2017
[09:10] <tomreyn> oh 2017, so maybe they didnt stop that practice
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> ive seen also hidden bios settings to block the install of new Os (besides fastboot & secureboot) on some boxes
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> not sure whats the setting called again
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> seen that on a medion desktop once
[09:11] <EriC^> hmm this is an odd one
[09:12] <EriC^> it's booting the grub file fairly certainly cause we pointed it to it, so why wouldnt it load it right
[09:12] <tomreyn> maybe have them prepare a usb stick with several grub configurations, one of which might work to boot ubuntu, to at least get them to boot consistently for now.
[09:12] <EriC^> but then the grub entries $root is right, but it shows up completely skewed
[09:12] <EriC^> maybe it's getting changed in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? that's the only thing i can come up with
[09:22] <tomreyn> this /etc/default/grub misses a lot?
[09:22] <EriC^> yup
[09:23] <EriC^> i think it's not related to grub.cfg at all though, cause we're using it later and it's just loading fine *durp*
[09:24] <EriC^> so uefi > grub entry > efi/grub/shimx64.efi + grub.cfg with good $root -----> getting cli + bad $root and $prefix with $root/efi/ubuntu
[09:27] <tomreyn> ok, but i have no idea how this would happen.
[09:28] <EriC^> me neither
[09:28] <EriC^> it's one for TJ- this one
[09:28] <tomreyn> yes, he's left his post, though
[09:33] <EriC^> yeah, he comes by less often these days
[09:40] <tomreyn> so how to make it work next time? just purge /boot/efi/efi/grub ? symlink wont work on fat
[09:41] <EriC^^> hmm i dunno if it's some fault, grub-install is supposed to install to efi/ubuntu but it wasn't for sure reason
[09:41] <EriC^^> *for some
[09:41] <EriC^^> and i think it expects that dir to look for the $root stuff so it was getting confused when it didnt find it and just using the esp as $root
[09:42] <EriC^^> grub-install is supposed to add an "ubuntu" entry to the uefi list and put the files in efi/ubuntu
[09:42] <EriC^^> let's see his last efibootmgr if it had added it
[09:43] <EriC^^> nope, just the "grub" entry pointing to efi/grub
[09:46] <tomreyn> i don't have a "grub" directory in  /boot/efi/EFI/ here, but i'm on 16.04.
[09:46] <EriC^^> hmm i just tested by creating a efi/grub dir without ubuntu and grub-install to see if that would throw it off but no it creates an efi/ubuntu dir
[09:47] <EriC^^> i was thinking maybe he had installed mint or something that made the efi/grub and thats what caused the issue
[09:47] <tomreyn> that was my guess, too
[09:58] <tomreyn> i need to head out for a bit, bbl
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:03] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse, yes, fine here, and you?
[11:04] <ducasse> all good, thanks. is it hot in canada today?
[11:05] <BluesKaj> not yet, but it's going up to 29C this aft
[11:05] <BluesKaj> warm enough
[11:06] <BluesKaj> very hot out west, up to 33 on the prairies
[11:07] <lordievader> Phew way too much.
[11:16] <ducasse> just one or two degrees more than we had here last week
[11:16] <BluesKaj> yeah we had a week of 33-34 last week, it was too much
[11:19] <ducasse> it's been a while since i last wanted so much to tell a user to eff off and get help elsewhere
[11:21] <BluesKaj> desperatation
[11:21] <BluesKaj> desperation even :-)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> mint works ok , just not my cuppa tea
[11:56] <lordievader> #ubuntu drama again?
[11:59] <ducasse> lordievader: just some idiot whining and cursing because we don't support mint or kali
[11:59] <lordievader> Let me guess... because it is based on Ubuntu?
[12:04] <ducasse> he just said "thanks for f***ing b***h support" and started asking about something else
[12:04] <ducasse> at which point i basically ignored him
[12:05] <lordievader> Yeah, some  people are just not worth it.
[12:07] <ducasse> no, that attitude entitles you to all the support you can get from google, imo
[12:12] <lordievader> Indeed.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> google doesn't discriminate, you either enter the correct question or not , it doesn't matter to the bots
[12:27] <ducasse> and it doesn't mind you swearing at it :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yeah
[12:28] <BluesKaj> ever tried Solus OS ducasse?
[12:29] <ducasse> no, it's an ubuntu derivative, right?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> no it's a non-derivative OS
[12:29] <BluesKaj> afaik
[12:30] <ducasse> oh, ok. i've just seen a couple of people asking about it in #ubuntu
[12:30] <BluesKaj> rolling release I beive and the default DE is budgie
[12:30] <BluesKaj> believe
[12:31] <BluesKaj> developing KDE for it as we speak
[12:32] <BluesKaj> sounds interesting to me ...deve'd from the gound up
[12:32] <BluesKaj> https://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=solus&release=all&month=all&year=all
[12:37] <ducasse> got to go to the store, bbl
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj Mr_0 pragmaticenigma
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> alo
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> returned bug today on my desktop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1780986
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> welcome MysticReverie
[15:53] <MysticReverie> Hi Lotus
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: still happy with your new ubuntu install?
[15:55] <MysticReverie> Very much.  It's so aethetically pleasing just to look at
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> screenshot?
[15:56] <MysticReverie> I hjave my title bars on auto hide  top and bottom
[15:56] <MysticReverie> and am using 'turkin spices'  wallpaper from ubuntu 18 wallpapers
[15:56] <MysticReverie> but can give a screenshot if u like lol
[15:56] <MysticReverie> turksh spices*  something like that
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> im always curious for desktops
[15:57] <MysticReverie> not sore how t odo a screenshot lol
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: screenshot program or prt scr button
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: heres mine: https://imgur.com/a/fVlVwBX
[15:59] <MysticReverie> Nice colours !
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[15:59] <MysticReverie> https://ibb.co/fEWXe8
[16:00] <MysticReverie> mine doesnt have much.. if i move my mouse away fro mthe top, the top bar will auto hide.  an dthe bottom bar hide if there is a window near it
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> nice anyway MysticReverie
[16:00] <MysticReverie> thans
[16:00] <MysticReverie> yea.. ubuntu always looked good, always has
[16:01] <MysticReverie> you eve nchanged your termina lcolours
[16:01] <MysticReverie> looks good
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> i always use green on black MysticReverie also on hexchat
[16:02] <MysticReverie> Oh i jus tleave it default
[16:02] <MysticReverie> although i do sometimes, or often prefer brown or black backgrounds and grey text or something
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> the matrix has me, for years
[16:02] <MysticReverie> easier on the eye
[16:02] <MysticReverie> the matrix?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> green on black= matrix style
[16:02] <MysticReverie> oh
[16:03] <MysticReverie> i like to make it look like relaxing paper if possible lol.   brown backgrouns and not sure what text colour
[16:04] <MysticReverie> but, ubuntu generally seems to have a low conteast and relaxing look
[16:04] <MysticReverie> plus its curves, just great
[16:04] <MysticReverie> contrast *
[16:04] <MysticReverie> i also use the night light feature to remov esome blue light during evening hours
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> yep
[16:06] <MysticReverie> only other os's ive seen with asimilar style is mac os and windows 7
[16:06] <MysticReverie> but i think ubuntu may be better
[16:06] <MysticReverie> looking
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: https://www.deviantart.com/lotuspsychje/gallery/
[16:07] <MysticReverie> im not a very computer savcvy person so I can't say what os is 'better'   but for me ubuntu is probably the easiest to use linux, stable, fast, and look reallly good
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: linux desktops have always been much more original then other Os
[16:08] <MysticReverie> These look great
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[16:09] <MysticReverie> did you try the new style?  i forget what its called, but it was going to be release with ubuntu 18, but wanst ready, but yoy cna get it on beta.  Gives a different look.   I like the fonts etc, but im not keen on the higher contrast
[16:09] <MysticReverie> So I just user pretty stadard ubuntu 18 scheme
[16:09] <MysticReverie> works great
[16:10] <MysticReverie> sorry, my typing needs more attention
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: you mean the community theme?
[16:10] <MysticReverie> Thats it yes
[16:10] <MysticReverie> looks great, but contrast to high for me
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: there's a snap for it communitheme
[16:11] <MysticReverie> yea, i tried it
[16:11] <MysticReverie> somehow lol
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:11] <MysticReverie> Definately nice
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: perhaps follow up cosmic support
[16:12] <MysticReverie> but eh black titlebars in the windows seem a but intense compared to this one
[16:12] <MysticReverie> Cosmic support ?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> !cosmic
[16:12] <MysticReverie> oh
[16:13] <MysticReverie> will this be automatically installed over my 18.04?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: no, 18.04 is LTS
[16:13] <MysticReverie> ok
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: lts always follows LTS
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: only if you choose yourself you can upgrade to a next newer version
[16:14] <MysticReverie> Ok, thanks
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: this i also follow: https://www.deviantart.com/customization/screenshots/nix/newest/
[16:14] <MysticReverie> Will you be upgrading ?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: no, i always stick to LTS and contribute with bugs
[16:15] <MysticReverie> Oh , you really are a desktop connoisseur lol
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: well, its all a learning experience, who can say he knows it all?
[16:15] <MysticReverie> Some people dont care what thier desktop looks like as long as its fucntional. Me personally I love a comfortable desktop. Aesthetically pleasing
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: thats the magic of this ubuntu community, users help each other as one 'whole'
[16:16] <MysticReverie> Indeed. To be honest I'm not a big fan of learning terminal. But after getting a few thing sset up, I dont need to use it much.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: GUI can be done alot these days for sure
[16:17] <MysticReverie> Yea, I have little technical support to offer lol, just my feedback of what I like
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> i always liked linux eyecandy myself
[16:17] <MysticReverie> Ubuntu eyuecandy yes
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: contribute can be more easy then you think, like filing a bug from your system, also help the community
[16:17] <MysticReverie> But som other distros look like terminal windows with a task bar and pixelated icons lol
[16:17] <MysticReverie> hmm, true
[16:18] <MysticReverie> II'm sure the other distros are great for people who use them - just depends what you like
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: or like the new system info tool, that gathers ubuntu info to help overall
[16:19] <MysticReverie> Ubuntu is the most popular linux I think ?
[16:19] <MysticReverie> Followed by Mint I guess
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> well hard to say exactly worldwide of course, but we do have articles with all machines running ubuntu..and their alot
[16:20] <MysticReverie> Mint was pretty muc has functional as Ubuntu for me , I just didnt like the aesthetic as much
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere?utm_source=omgubuntu
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> thats from a while ago, so might have increased alot since
[16:22] <MysticReverie> Not sure I expected those high numbers
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> impressive right
[16:22] <MysticReverie> I thin kso
[16:22] <MysticReverie> Also, what I find impresseive is it seems to run pretty much as quickly from a USB as puppylinux does.
[16:23] <MysticReverie> Even a full Ubuntu usb os
[16:23] <MysticReverie> runs well
[16:24] <MysticReverie> But I have it in my SSD now anyway - Dual boot with Win10
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> so nice this: https://www.wikihow.com/Category:Ubuntu
[16:39] <MysticReverie> Fantastic resource
[16:40] <MysticReverie> No I have Ubuntu comfortable running, I'm mor ewilling t odig around - at my leisure to improve my knowledge and experience. Everything is working , so I can just relax and read about stuff when the fancy takes me.
[16:41] <MysticReverie> Sorry, I must improve my typing
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: good base to live on
[16:41] <MysticReverie> Hmm
[17:00] <MysticReverie> Back in a bit, Bye for now ;)
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys belgium-france tonight!
[18:10] <leftyfb> Is this "new install goes right to GRUB recovery" a big problem right now or are we just getting the same person asking the same question for days now?
[18:11] <daftykins> lol
[19:10] <pauljw> hi everyone
[19:11] <Jonta> pauljw: Hi
[19:12] <pauljw> hi Jonta
[20:21] <EriC^^> evening all
[20:58] <EriC^^> tomreyn: wow another guy with grub issues today same problem it seems
[20:58] <EriC^^> his /boot/efi http://termbin.com/db4ue
[20:59] <EriC^^> efi/grub is populated but efi/ubuntu just has the fwupdate tool
[21:00] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: We just had a huge grub update .. related ?
[21:01] <EriC^^> maybe, i dunno
[21:03] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Me neither .. we have seen a rash of grub breakage in the forum this day also .
[21:03] <EriC^^> aha
[21:04] <EriC^^> just 18.04?
[21:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Lemme check if only 18.04.
[21:07] <oerheks> only fiefox today, on 17.10....
[21:16] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yep .. most of them are 18.04 ... I installed the grub updates ( ubuntu and xubuntu as well as x18.10 ) with no issues here .
[21:42] <oerheks> how odd people comming back without registering
[21:42] <daftykins> laziness abound :)
[21:44] <EriC^^> odd, both the guys had an almost empty /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <Bashing-om> A quick look and effected grub appears to be UEFI related on the forum .