| tomreyn | hmm, that's a miracle about those uefi issues... | 01:18 |
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| tomreyn | meanwhile i'm looking into a reproducible kernel panic on 18.04 (only one user, though, with a specific workload and old hardware) | 01:21 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 02:59 |
| sonicwind | hey lotuspsychje | 03:15 |
| lotuspsychje | hey sonicwind all good on your side? | 03:15 |
| sonicwind | yup yup | 03:16 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:19 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:29 |
| oerheks | hello beautifull | 06:36 |
| ducasse | hi gorgeous | 06:37 |
| lordievader | 👋 | 06:46 |
| ducasse | hi lordievader - how are you doing? | 06:46 |
| lordievader | Doing good here | 06:57 |
| blackflow | Anyone using chromium snap? It doesn't work. The window opens, but is black, no controls. | 09:02 |
| lordievader | blackflow: What happens when you start it from a terminal? | 09:10 |
| blackflow | lordievader: opengl errors it seems | 09:12 |
| lordievader | What is the output of `sudo lspci -k`? | 09:12 |
| blackflow | lordievader: what do you really want to know, I'm not a noob :) | 09:13 |
| lordievader | The output. | 09:13 |
| blackflow | my gpu is working fine, nvidia proprietary driver, I even game on this machine, vulkan in wine'd steam included. | 09:13 |
| lordievader | Which modules are all loaded for your nvidia gpu? | 09:14 |
| blackflow | lordievader: "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia" | 09:18 |
| lordievader | You should blacklist nouveau, they are likely fighting over the hardware. The nvidia driver install should blacklist it, but this sometimes fails. | 09:18 |
| blackflow | nouvau is not loaded by the kernel | 09:19 |
| lordievader | You just said it was? | 09:20 |
| blackflow | it's not mentioned by lsmod. the output above is lspci -k | 09:20 |
| blackflow | this is what the kernel lists: https://dpaste.de/SRux | 09:21 |
| lordievader | That is strange. lspci -k should show the kernel modules which are loaded for the hardware. | 09:21 |
| blackflow | nah, just which _might_ be loaded. that's why I asked, what you _really_ wanted to know :) | 09:21 |
| lordievader | That is all output of `lsmod`, or is it filtered? | 09:21 |
| blackflow | neway, the gpu is working fine. non-snap'd chromium is working fine. snap'd one (and one version newer) does not. I suspec the opengl interface orwhatsitcalled for snaps. | 09:22 |
| blackflow | lordievader: that's grep nvidia. no "nouvau" in teh output | 09:22 |
| blackflow | *nouveau | 09:22 |
| lordievader | Right. Yeah. That does point towards snaps. It might be that they have wrong libraries or something. Don't know much about snaps, but I thought it had embedded libraries or something. | 09:23 |
| HEX0 | I'm thinking of buying an old thinkpad with core 2 duo T9900 @ 3GHz with 8GB RAM and SSD. Do you think that CPU is still decent enough for browsing the bloated web and watching 1080p video? or is it gonna be a lagfest? | 09:24 |
| blackflow | or the permission to use the nvidia /dev(ices). I don't know the details, but installing the snap at some point started listing interfaces activated, opengl was one of them, and that's why I think it's broken | 09:25 |
| lordievader | blackflow: Are snap applications run under a different user? | 09:25 |
| blackflow | which is why i was wondering if anyone was using the chromium snap. these things should, in theory, working or being broken, equally evereywhere. | 09:25 |
| lordievader | HEX0: I don't think it will make you happy. | 09:25 |
| blackflow | lordievader: no, I even started it from the CLI to see teh output (and saw opengl failures) | 09:26 |
| HEX0 | lordievader: not even at 3GHz? I figured the clock is pretty high even for a laptop from 2009 | 09:26 |
| blackflow | HEX0: the cpumark is important. lemmesee.... 2127 according to cpubenchmark.net. You're good. | 09:27 |
| lordievader | HEX0: I was running a similar set up for a while (desktop though). It worked. But I preferred my laptop with an i5. | 09:27 |
| HEX0 | no DE, just tiling wm and firefox without lag is all I need. I'm ok with long compiles | 09:27 |
| blackflow | HEX0: I'd say, from personal experience, it starts to become annoyance and lagfest at less than 1000 cpumark @ cpubenchmark.net | 09:27 |
| HEX0 | blackflow: ok thanks for input :) | 09:28 |
| lordievader | If you are okay with slower start up times... you can buy it. But I'd save my money and buy something more worthwhile. | 09:28 |
| blackflow | lowest I ran was ~800, which incidentally was a relatiely modern cpu (2013 celeron, with AESNI of all things) and it was slooooow | 09:29 |
| HEX0 | libreboot+SSD so boot times should be fine :) cpu is the thing I was most concerned with | 09:29 |
| blackflow | HEX0: which vm btw? i3? | 09:30 |
| HEX0 | blackflow: sway | 09:30 |
| blackflow | that's teh compositor, no? | 09:30 |
| lordievader | The processing power also plays a part at startup. (Was more talking about applications startup, though) | 09:30 |
| HEX0 | my current laptop from 2013 with an old 30GB ssd boots crazy fast. Startup finished in 2.900s (firmware) + 156ms (loader) + 2.070s (kernel) + 3.208s (userspace) = 8.336s | 09:30 |
| HEX0 | graphical.target reached after 3.208s in userspace | 09:30 |
| HEX0 | blackflow: sway is i3 clone but wayland. so yeah it's tiling wayland compositor | 09:31 |
| blackflow | HEX0: oh it's a full wm? I thought it was just a compositor | 09:32 |
| HEX0 | blackflow: https://github.com/swaywm/sway | 09:32 |
| blackflow | HEX0: yeah I know the thing but I always thought it was just a wayland compositor. | 09:33 |
| HEX0 | it's pretty much full implementation/clone of i3 | 09:33 |
| HEX0 | well still work in progress :) | 09:33 |
| lotuspsychje | alot of qwebirc's lately | 09:48 |
| EriC^ | !zesty | 09:52 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000228.html | 09:52 |
| lotuspsychje | HEX0: i still use an amd3200+ with 2 gig ram on bionic, running great | 10:02 |
| lotuspsychje | it all depends how picky you are | 10:02 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 10:35 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there BluesKaj | 10:36 |
| BluesKaj | hey lotuspsychje | 10:40 |
| lotuspsychje | !info apt xenial | 10:49 |
| ubot5 | apt (source: apt): commandline package manager. In component main, is important. Version 1.2.27 (xenial), package size 1035 kB, installed size 3319 kB | 10:49 |
| lordievader | > it all depends how picky you are | 12:10 |
| lordievader | This is very true. | 12:10 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 12:11 |
| MysticReverie | sudo apt-get footballs' coming home ! | 13:14 |
| MysticReverie | I'm learning terminal a bit | 13:14 |
| Woodsoup | hi | 16:03 |
| daftykins | \o | 16:07 |
| daftykins | 'football' is definitely not an APT function :> | 16:08 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| EriC^^ | howdy | 16:46 |
| oerheks | aai am so /clear | 21:03 |
| blackflow | I guess it's not coming home after all :) | 21:04 |
| Woodsoup | :( | 22:10 |
| Woodsoup | England had a good tournament. Cant complain | 22:11 |
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