[01:18] <tomreyn> hmm, that's a miracle about those uefi issues...
[01:21] <tomreyn> meanwhile i'm looking into a reproducible kernel panic on 18.04 (only one user, though, with a specific workload and old hardware)
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:15] <sonicwind> hey lotuspsychje
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> hey sonicwind all good on your side?
[03:16] <sonicwind> yup yup
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:36] <oerheks> hello beautifull
[06:37] <ducasse> hi gorgeous
[06:46] <lordievader> 👋
[06:46] <ducasse> hi lordievader - how are you doing?
[06:57] <lordievader> Doing good here
[09:02] <blackflow> Anyone using chromium snap? It doesn't work. The window opens, but is black, no controls.
[09:10] <lordievader> blackflow: What happens when you start it from a terminal?
[09:12] <blackflow> lordievader: opengl errors it seems
[09:12] <lordievader> What is the output of `sudo lspci -k`?
[09:13] <blackflow> lordievader: what do you really want to know, I'm not a noob :)
[09:13] <lordievader> The output.
[09:13] <blackflow> my gpu is working fine, nvidia proprietary driver, I even game on this machine, vulkan in wine'd steam included.
[09:14] <lordievader> Which modules are all loaded for your nvidia gpu?
[09:18] <blackflow> lordievader:  "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia"
[09:18] <lordievader> You should blacklist nouveau, they are likely fighting over the hardware. The nvidia driver install should blacklist it, but this sometimes fails.
[09:19] <blackflow> nouvau is not loaded by the kernel
[09:20] <lordievader> You just said it was?
[09:20] <blackflow> it's not mentioned by lsmod. the output above is lspci -k
[09:21] <blackflow> this is what the kernel lists: https://dpaste.de/SRux
[09:21] <lordievader> That is strange. lspci -k should show the kernel modules which are loaded for the hardware.
[09:21] <blackflow> nah, just which _might_ be loaded. that's why I asked, what you _really_ wanted to know :)
[09:21] <lordievader> That is all output of `lsmod`, or is it filtered?
[09:22] <blackflow> neway, the gpu is working fine. non-snap'd chromium is working fine. snap'd one (and one version newer) does not. I suspec the opengl interface orwhatsitcalled for snaps.
[09:22] <blackflow> lordievader: that's grep nvidia.   no "nouvau" in teh output
[09:22] <blackflow> *nouveau
[09:23] <lordievader> Right. Yeah. That does point towards snaps. It might be that they have wrong libraries or something. Don't know much about snaps, but I thought it had embedded libraries or something.
[09:24] <HEX0> I'm thinking of buying an old thinkpad with core 2 duo T9900 @ 3GHz with 8GB RAM and SSD. Do you think that CPU is still decent enough for browsing the bloated web and watching 1080p video? or is it gonna be a lagfest?
[09:25] <blackflow> or the permission to use the nvidia /dev(ices). I don't know the details, but installing the snap at some point started listing interfaces activated, opengl was one of them, and that's why I think it's broken
[09:25] <lordievader> blackflow: Are snap applications run under a different user?
[09:25] <blackflow> which is why i was wondering if anyone was using the chromium snap. these things should, in theory, working or being broken, equally evereywhere.
[09:25] <lordievader> HEX0: I don't think it will make you happy.
[09:26] <blackflow> lordievader: no, I even started it from the CLI to see teh output (and saw opengl failures)
[09:26] <HEX0> lordievader: not even at 3GHz? I figured  the clock is pretty high even for a laptop from 2009
[09:27] <blackflow> HEX0: the cpumark is important. lemmesee.... 2127 according to cpubenchmark.net. You're good.
[09:27] <lordievader> HEX0: I was running a similar set up for a while (desktop though). It worked. But I preferred my laptop with an i5.
[09:27] <HEX0> no DE, just tiling wm and firefox without lag is all I need. I'm ok with long compiles
[09:27] <blackflow> HEX0: I'd say, from personal experience, it starts to become annoyance and lagfest at less than 1000 cpumark @ cpubenchmark.net
[09:28] <HEX0> blackflow: ok thanks for input :)
[09:28] <lordievader> If you are okay with slower start up times... you can buy it. But I'd save my money and buy something more worthwhile.
[09:29] <blackflow> lowest I ran was ~800, which incidentally was a relatiely modern cpu (2013 celeron, with AESNI of all things) and it was slooooow
[09:29] <HEX0> libreboot+SSD so boot times should be fine :) cpu is the thing I was most concerned with
[09:30] <blackflow> HEX0: which vm btw? i3?
[09:30] <HEX0> blackflow: sway
[09:30] <blackflow> that's teh compositor, no?
[09:30] <lordievader> The processing power also plays a part at startup. (Was more talking about applications startup, though)
[09:30] <HEX0> my current laptop from 2013 with an old 30GB ssd boots crazy fast. Startup finished in 2.900s (firmware) + 156ms (loader) + 2.070s (kernel) + 3.208s (userspace) = 8.336s
[09:30] <HEX0> graphical.target reached after 3.208s in userspace
[09:31] <HEX0> blackflow: sway is i3 clone but wayland. so yeah it's tiling wayland compositor
[09:32] <blackflow> HEX0: oh it's a full wm? I thought it was just a compositor
[09:32] <HEX0> blackflow: https://github.com/swaywm/sway
[09:33] <blackflow> HEX0: yeah I know the thing but I always thought it was just a wayland compositor.
[09:33] <HEX0> it's pretty much full implementation/clone of i3
[09:33] <HEX0> well still work in progress :)
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> alot of qwebirc's lately
[09:52] <EriC^> !zesty
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> HEX0: i still use an amd3200+ with 2 gig ram on bionic, running great
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> it all depends how picky you are
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[10:40] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !info apt xenial
[12:10] <lordievader>  > it all depends how picky you are
[12:10] <lordievader> This is very true.
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:14] <MysticReverie> sudo apt-get footballs' coming home  !
[13:14] <MysticReverie> I'm learning terminal a bit
[16:03] <Woodsoup> hi
[16:07] <daftykins> \o
[16:08] <daftykins> 'football' is definitely not an APT function :>
[16:46] <EriC^^> howdy
[21:03] <oerheks> aai am so /clear
[21:04] <blackflow> I guess it's not coming home after all :)
[22:10] <Woodsoup> :(
[22:11] <Woodsoup> England had a good tournament.  Cant complain