[01:18] hmm, that's a miracle about those uefi issues... [01:21] meanwhile i'm looking into a reproducible kernel panic on 18.04 (only one user, though, with a specific workload and old hardware) [02:59] good morning to all [03:15] hey lotuspsychje [03:15] hey sonicwind all good on your side? [03:16] yup yup [06:19] Good morning [06:29] good morning [06:36] hello beautifull [06:37] hi gorgeous [06:46] 👋 [06:46] hi lordievader - how are you doing? [06:57] Doing good here [09:02] Anyone using chromium snap? It doesn't work. The window opens, but is black, no controls. [09:10] blackflow: What happens when you start it from a terminal? [09:12] lordievader: opengl errors it seems [09:12] What is the output of `sudo lspci -k`? [09:13] lordievader: what do you really want to know, I'm not a noob :) [09:13] The output. [09:13] my gpu is working fine, nvidia proprietary driver, I even game on this machine, vulkan in wine'd steam included. [09:14] Which modules are all loaded for your nvidia gpu? [09:18] lordievader: "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia" [09:18] You should blacklist nouveau, they are likely fighting over the hardware. The nvidia driver install should blacklist it, but this sometimes fails. [09:19] nouvau is not loaded by the kernel [09:20] You just said it was? [09:20] it's not mentioned by lsmod. the output above is lspci -k [09:21] this is what the kernel lists: https://dpaste.de/SRux [09:21] That is strange. lspci -k should show the kernel modules which are loaded for the hardware. [09:21] nah, just which _might_ be loaded. that's why I asked, what you _really_ wanted to know :) [09:21] That is all output of `lsmod`, or is it filtered? [09:22] neway, the gpu is working fine. non-snap'd chromium is working fine. snap'd one (and one version newer) does not. I suspec the opengl interface orwhatsitcalled for snaps. [09:22] lordievader: that's grep nvidia. no "nouvau" in teh output [09:22] *nouveau [09:23] Right. Yeah. That does point towards snaps. It might be that they have wrong libraries or something. Don't know much about snaps, but I thought it had embedded libraries or something. [09:24] I'm thinking of buying an old thinkpad with core 2 duo T9900 @ 3GHz with 8GB RAM and SSD. Do you think that CPU is still decent enough for browsing the bloated web and watching 1080p video? or is it gonna be a lagfest? [09:25] or the permission to use the nvidia /dev(ices). I don't know the details, but installing the snap at some point started listing interfaces activated, opengl was one of them, and that's why I think it's broken [09:25] blackflow: Are snap applications run under a different user? [09:25] which is why i was wondering if anyone was using the chromium snap. these things should, in theory, working or being broken, equally evereywhere. [09:25] HEX0: I don't think it will make you happy. [09:26] lordievader: no, I even started it from the CLI to see teh output (and saw opengl failures) [09:26] lordievader: not even at 3GHz? I figured the clock is pretty high even for a laptop from 2009 [09:27] HEX0: the cpumark is important. lemmesee.... 2127 according to cpubenchmark.net. You're good. [09:27] HEX0: I was running a similar set up for a while (desktop though). It worked. But I preferred my laptop with an i5. [09:27] no DE, just tiling wm and firefox without lag is all I need. I'm ok with long compiles [09:27] HEX0: I'd say, from personal experience, it starts to become annoyance and lagfest at less than 1000 cpumark @ cpubenchmark.net [09:28] blackflow: ok thanks for input :) [09:28] If you are okay with slower start up times... you can buy it. But I'd save my money and buy something more worthwhile. [09:29] lowest I ran was ~800, which incidentally was a relatiely modern cpu (2013 celeron, with AESNI of all things) and it was slooooow [09:29] libreboot+SSD so boot times should be fine :) cpu is the thing I was most concerned with [09:30] HEX0: which vm btw? i3? [09:30] blackflow: sway [09:30] that's teh compositor, no? [09:30] The processing power also plays a part at startup. (Was more talking about applications startup, though) [09:30] my current laptop from 2013 with an old 30GB ssd boots crazy fast. Startup finished in 2.900s (firmware) + 156ms (loader) + 2.070s (kernel) + 3.208s (userspace) = 8.336s [09:30] graphical.target reached after 3.208s in userspace [09:31] blackflow: sway is i3 clone but wayland. so yeah it's tiling wayland compositor [09:32] HEX0: oh it's a full wm? I thought it was just a compositor [09:32] blackflow: https://github.com/swaywm/sway [09:33] HEX0: yeah I know the thing but I always thought it was just a wayland compositor. [09:33] it's pretty much full implementation/clone of i3 [09:33] well still work in progress :) [09:48] alot of qwebirc's lately [09:52] !zesty [09:52] Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000228.html [10:02] HEX0: i still use an amd3200+ with 2 gig ram on bionic, running great [10:02] it all depends how picky you are [10:35] Hey folks [10:36] hey there BluesKaj [10:40] hey lotuspsychje [10:49] !info apt xenial [10:49] apt (source: apt): commandline package manager. In component main, is important. Version 1.2.27 (xenial), package size 1035 kB, installed size 3319 kB [12:10] > it all depends how picky you are [12:10] This is very true. [12:11] :p [13:14] sudo apt-get footballs' coming home ! [13:14] I'm learning terminal a bit [16:03] hi [16:07] \o [16:08] 'football' is definitely not an APT function :> === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [16:46] howdy [21:03] aai am so /clear [21:04] I guess it's not coming home after all :) [22:10] :( [22:11] England had a good tournament. Cant complain