[00:00] <zuzia> i like linux
[00:00] <zuzia> half dey i looking for terminal commend but not luck
[00:00] <hggdh> zuzia: oerheks already answered you
[00:01] <oerheks> see the readme text :  nibconv filename.nib filename.g64  https://c64preservation.com/files/nibtools/readme.txt
[00:01] <salasrod> Hi there, I am looking for minimal ubuntu 18.04 on Docker Hub, but I cannot seem to find it. Could someone point me to it? Is it even there?
[00:01] <oerheks> this is all i know, i have no roms to simulate.
[00:02] <zuzia> Linux with OpenCBM 0.4.0 or higher
[00:02] <zuzia> where i finde this opencmb i must compile this first?
[00:03] <zuzia> i look nib tools in synaptic but not find
[00:04] <oerheks> salasrod, i just read this https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/07/09/minimal-ubuntu-released
[00:04] <zuzia> then i think this not exist  linux version
[00:05] <JFox762> so now
[00:05] <zuzia> but this txt tell something difrent
[00:05] <JFox762> my Bluetooth mouse wont even connect to my laptop
[00:05] <Bashing-om> salasrod: Here ? https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/07/09/minimal-ubuntu-released .
[00:05] <JFox762> the mouse isn't broken, I just tested it with my phone, and it works
[00:05] <zuzia> ok i look if i end i write u answer thx for now :)
[00:05] <Bashing-om> oerheks: is still the fastest gun :P
[00:06] <salasrod> oerheks, Bashing-om: Right, that's the release post, but there's not `docker pull` command there, and the ubuntu:18.04 is 80MB, not 29MB like the article claims.
[00:11] <Bashing-om> salasrod: Not downloaded so can not veriry: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/releases/bionic/ .
[00:13] <Smooklu> Hello
[00:14] <salasrod> Thanks Bashing-om, but that's not the docker image, just regular images for LXC and other shenanigans. Thank you though.
[00:15] <AngaMalta> um, wrong chan sry, was planning on doing model dev with Blender
[00:16] <Bashing-om> salasrod: :( .. I guess then I am not in your league .
[00:20] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[00:32] <spaces> raynold short skirts day ?
[00:32] <Lost_Goat> i am wondering if its possible to encrypt a 18.04 server after configuration
[00:32] <spaces> Lost_Goatwhy would you encrypt a server, just encrypt your data
[00:32] <uboa> no nvidia-364 package in 18.04? :( i have a GeForce GTX 960M
[00:33] <spaces> uboa no it's closed source  these day
[00:33] <spaces> s
[00:33] <uboa> so... install from website... or something?
[00:33] <spaces> enable 3rd party repos
[00:33] <Al_nz1> whats the best command over ssh to issue to release/renew a lease
[00:34] <spaces> Al_nz1 restart network ?
[00:35] <Al_nz1> spaces: what about sudo dhclient -r eth0 && dhclient eth0 ?
[00:35] <spaces> another way to rome
[00:36] <Al_nz1> k
[00:36] <Al_nz1> sudo service network-manager restart ?
[00:36] <Al_nz1> says network-manager service not found
[00:36] <Al_nz1> hmmph
[00:36] <spaces> no networking
[00:38] <Al_nz1> well I am ssh on the box - so there is a network functionality
[00:38] <Al_nz1> and it can ping etc
[00:40] <xjkx> Never touched my gnome, used something else, now I opened it, and it autoruns thunar. What? And a xterm is open also, on the startup, I'm not sure why, but yes thunar is my default file browser
[00:40] <Al_nz1> networking is a running service
[00:44] <pitsnap> #join
[00:51] <CarlFK> what is the elegant way to disable a systemd service?
[00:52] <CarlFK> permanently, so it won't come back on reboot.
[00:52] <CarlFK> but I would like to be able to re-enable it later.
[00:52] <sonicwind> mask it... systemctl mask
[00:52] <sonicwind> if you want something more than systemctl disable that is
[00:53] <CarlFK> systemctl disable sounds like what I want
[00:53] <sonicwind> unmask to unmask it
[00:54] <sonicwind> with disable, there are ways it can be reenabled.... mask takes care of that
[00:55] <sonicwind> mask won't let anything start it until you've unmasked it
[00:56] <oerheks> disable is valid, for this session.
[00:56] <oerheks> now do as sonicwind suggests
[00:57] <CarlFK> i just dont' want it running on boot
[01:01] <oerheks> destroy the service unit file :-D
[01:06] <sonicwind> lol systemctl destroy
[01:09] <mrproper> I am trying to install Ubuntu over a CentOS install. However, the Ubuntu installer is saying it can’t overwrite the partition since it’s LVM based. How can I wipe the entire drive array and start over?
[01:12] <UserUS> mrproper, reformat the partitions
[01:12] <UserUS> or delete them all together
[01:12] <mrproper> UserUS: How? The installer is giving me the error and not letting me delete them.
[01:13] <UserUS> mrproper, when you boot, choose the try ubuntu option
[01:13] <mrproper> UserUS: Oh and use the partition tool in that instead of in the installer?
[01:13] <UserUS> mrproper, yeah, just delete them and then you can install in the same session
[01:13] <mrproper> UserUS: Very cool. Does that require a mouse?
[01:14] <UserUS> mrproper, well, I guess technically no, because ubuntu shows you all the key shortcuts when it boots
[01:14] <mrproper> UserUS: I’m installing it on a server which I don’t have a mouse connected to. So I’ll need to dig up a wired mouse, which may not be easy.
[01:16] <mrproper> I’m going to try it without a mouse. Thank you.
[01:18] <xjkx> I set thunar as my default file browser. and it always comes up when I start gnome, why ?
[01:18] <UserUS> xjkx, it's probably a startup program
[01:19] <xjkx> UserUS: where do I check it
[01:21] <UserUS> xjkx, run gnome-session-properties in a terminal
[01:22] <xjkx> Some ssh key agent, an audio recorder, nvidia x server settings, and snap user application autostart helper
[01:27] <UserUS> xjkx, how'd you install it?
[01:28] <xjkx> UserUS: gnome? it just came in ubuntu, but i never really used it, I was using openbox but now sometimes it just freezes out of nowhere, so I decided to give gnome a go, but, I find it weird it autostarts a xterm that calls thunar, my default file browser
[01:30] <UserUS> xjkx, how did you install the browser
[01:30] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to install the server edition of ubuntu but the disks aren't in the server aren't being listen
[01:30] <xjkx> UserUS: apt-get
[01:30] <amazoniantoad> The computer is a dell poweredge 2800
[01:30] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to install the server edition of ubuntu but the disks in the server aren't being listed*
[01:32] <UserUS> xjkx, could be the snap package one
[01:33] <xjkx> UserUS: ok, thank you
[01:33] <mrproper> UserUS: Real time followup. I downloaded a minimal installer so it didn’t have GUI. Redownloading server.
[01:33] <guiver_d> amazoniantoad: just a fyi:  if you don't get an answer here, you can try #ubuntu-server
[01:34] <amazoniantoad> guiver_d: thanks
[01:38] <UserUS> mrproper, nice
[01:39] <BamBamBigalo> i love vagina
[01:39] <mrproper> Well then.
[01:48] <aloha_> @aib
[01:58] <Gr33ntea_> Hello I am trying to install Ubuntu on a Lenovo Y530. I can get it to boot into the live cd. And everything works fine for like 3 seconds, after that all keyboard input stops working. Mouse buttons stop working as well. However I can move the mouse. And thats literally all i can do. Any tips?
[02:00] <Gr33ntea_> Also i forgot to note im trying to install 18.04
[02:02] <pitsnap> Gr33ntea: just a suggestion.. did you try with usb keyboard?
[02:02] <Gr33ntea_> Unfortunately do not have one D:, out of curiosity why would that help?
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Gr33ntea_: try to install with out and internet connecion " here has been some issues recently with updating during install " : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2396050 .
[02:04] <Gr33ntea_> I don't think that is the problem as i can't even get that far into the installation.
[02:05] <Gr33ntea_> it hangs almost immediately (usually 3 seconds in)
[02:05] <Gr33ntea_> at which point i can no longer right click or left click, and i also cant type anything
[02:05] <pitsnap> I had issues once with my bay-trail laptop.. and had to use USB keyboard to install Ubuntu
[02:05] <Gr33ntea_> pitsnap: and after tht the regular keyboard worked fine?
[02:06] <pitsnap> yes, installed ubuntu... after reboot.. had to apt-get update/upgrade
[02:06] <pitsnap> and disconnected my usb keyboard, and everything worked..
[02:07] <Gr33ntea_> Okay I will try and borrow one, and see if it works out. Thank you friend :)
[02:08] <pitsnap> uw :)
[02:16] <chirrups>  I have 64 mixed size hard drives all addressible in a storage shelf connected to a sserver running ubuntu 16.04 lts. I need to format (Not zero, just wiping the partition table would be fine) I've looked around a lot and I just seriously can't get a good idea the best way to do it.
[02:19] <pitsnap> chirrups: try using gparted or GNOME disks application
[02:19] <chirrups> pitsnap, I plan on bringing these things into a LVM group. they're all mixed use, crazy different partitions and sizes
[02:20] <chirrups> gparted .ect is great for wiping the partition on one disk
[02:20] <chirrups> there's no fxxing way I am typing all of those commands per disk
[02:20] <pitsnap> if you do not have GUI/Desktop access .. for console/term using fdisk
[02:20] <leftyfb> chirrups: then script it
[02:21] <chirrups> Therein lies the problem
[02:21] <chirrups> I'm a linux noob
[02:21] <chirrups> I could whip this together in powershell with like 50 characters
[02:21] <leftyfb> chirrups: use gdisk and a for loop run through some regex version of lsblk
[02:21] <chirrups> Ok
[02:21] <chirrups> that I can do
[02:21] <pitsnap> use dd command and script it
[02:21] <chirrups> ^ I don't want to zero them
[02:21] <leftyfb> pitsnap: dd won't format
[02:21] <chirrups> They're used
[02:21] <pitsnap> dd will overwrite hdds..
[02:22] <leftyfb> pitsnap: dd won't format
[02:22] <chirrups> Right I am risking bringing these things into a JBOD as it is
[02:22] <chirrups> to be clear
[02:22] <chirrups> I"m not here looking for someone to provide me a script
[02:22] <chirrups> Just guidance
[02:23] <leftyfb> chirrups: I think I gave you a good place to start
[02:23] <chirrups> Well you did, I should be able to do some kind of easy loop
[02:23] <chirrups> That's what I'd do in powershell
[02:23] <chirrups> I need to express that I know legit fucking nothing
[02:24] <chirrups> about linux
[02:24] <chirrups> Like I have no idea what I'd even look for
[02:24] <chirrups> "Linux scripting syntax" is like the closest I can get
[02:24] <chirrups> I't like bash or something right?
[02:24] <leftyfb> !language | chirrups
[02:25] <chirrups> Sorry bout' that
[02:25] <leftyfb> chirrups: yes, you could use bash
[02:25] <leftyfb> chirrups: start with manually formatting A drive using gdisk on the CLI (not the gdisk interface)
[02:26] <chirrups> I mean there's not something that can take an input of a CSV file or something
[02:26] <leftyfb> chirrups: Once you got that scripted, then look at lsblk and figure out how to use awk/sed/grep/etc to pull out only the drives you're concerned with
[02:26] <chirrups> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-disk-scrubbing-program-for-cloud/
[02:26] <leftyfb> there is
[02:26] <chirrups> I could zero them with that
[02:27] <chirrups> okay a thing I neglected to mention
[02:27] <chirrups> I'm terminal
[02:27] <chirrups> I installed multipathing
[02:27] <chirrups> They're netapp shelves
[02:27] <chirrups> I can only get the drivers for the HBA working in linux
[02:27] <chirrups> So like I lsblk and I get ~1500 lines
[02:28] <chirrups> I've got a list of the direct SDA's
[02:28] <chirrups> Cleaned it up through putty logging
[02:28] <leftyfb> chirrups: you can also try #bash
[02:28] <chirrups> I can throw a CSV at something, I could do a loop from A - B
[02:28] <chirrups> I'm looing at bash right noe
[02:28] <leftyfb> chirrups: #bash, the IRC channel
[02:29] <chirrups> ohohohoh Yeah I mean I just was hoping someone would be like "Bippity boppity boop I use xydjshf the BEST formatter just google it"
[02:29] <chirrups> I can grind on a script tonight
[02:29] <chirrups> For sure
[02:30] <chirrups> like I get how scripting work ~in general~
[02:30] <chirrups> just don't know how to do anything with bash(or shell scripts as I'm learning)
[02:30] <pitsnap> try this
[02:30] <pitsnap> wipefs -a /dev/sda
[02:31] <chirrups> ::hug::
[02:31] <pitsnap> removes / deletes the partition table signature ...
[02:31] <chirrups> legit can do the rest
[02:31] <chirrups> yeah I this is exactly what I need
[02:31] <chirrups> I can run with this
[02:31] <chirrups> The rest from LVM up to SCSI\LVG whatever I can figure out
[02:32] <chirrups> I just couldn't find an easy way to wipe these things ala quickformat in order to start
[02:32] <chirrups> I imagine along my journey I'm going to get this shell script thing figured out
[02:32] <chirrups> Thank you so much
[02:53] <granttrec> is there a way to restrict packages to a certain user?
[02:56] <justicemate> sudo chmod
[02:57] <justicemate> or just use the ACL
[02:59] <justicemate> check out setfacl command
[03:00] <tomreyn> granttrec: if the goal is to limit the command a certain user can run, the solution is to setup a chroot for them and to only make the minimal set of commands available to them there.
[03:03] <myself> Well this is weird. 18.04, after a reboot my regular user is no longer a sudoer
[03:04] <myself> I'm not opposed to booting into a recovery console and running visudo, but I have a hunch that's not gonna be easy with encrypted system disk
[03:05] <granttrec> tomreyn:  thanks, I am trying to be more orgranised with my development on my home pc, so I thought a seperate user for dev would be good, I especially want to make a distinction between the packages, is chroot still a good idea?
[03:08] <tomreyn> granttrec: use VMs or containers for this purpose.
[03:17] <cry_wolf> Hi
[03:19] <tomreyn> myself: you just: adduser MYUSER sudo     # ie. you add "MYUSER" or whichever user it it to the "sudo" group.
[03:20] <tomreyn> this group is predefined in sudoers, so you dont need to visudo.
[04:07] <Guest92832> i need to edit a resume photograph. I already used gimp, but I still have "cat eyes" (a dark contour under both of my eyes. Is there any program that is better than gimp to alter pictures?
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !info krita | Guest92832
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest92832: wich gimp version do you use? cause the new gimp features improved alot too
[04:09] <Guest92832> 2.8.22
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> Guest92832: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/07/gimp-2-10-4-released-with-faster-start-times-auto-straighten-tool
[04:10] <Guest92832> wait
[04:11] <Guest92832> how do I dont have that version? should I install a ppa?
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> Guest92832: no, we dont support external ppa's here but you could try the snap version if you like?
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> Guest92832: gimp  2.10.0  snapcrafters
[04:13] <speedy01> good evening/morning all
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> Guest92832: see also the #gimp & #krita channel
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: good morning, how can we help you today?
[04:13] <speedy01> anyone else having a problem running vmware player on 18.04?
[04:14] <Guest92832> ok, thanks! lotuspsychje
[04:14] <speedy01> i thought i would check here, as googling hasn't turned up much
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: to get the best support, its best specific issue to the channel, whats happening, details, etc so volunteers can try to help
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> *to ask
[04:15] <speedy01> im very new to linux...so I'll start there!  I'm trying to run vmware play on a fairly fresh install of ubuntu 18.04.  downloaded and install all the dependancies..and followed vmware install guide...
[04:16] <speedy01> problem is, the application doesn't save any of my preference, nor load any vm I try to create.  I downloaded and install the trial of workstation...and it seems to work as it should...
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: we dont really support external ppa's, best to contact the maintainer, or install packages from the official ubuntu repos
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: alternate to vmware, you could try 'virtualbox'
[04:16] <speedy01> sounds mostlylike an issue with vmware..but wanted to ask if anyone had the same problem before going down the rabbit hole of vmware support
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: there is also a #vmware channel if you like
[04:18] <speedy01> lotuspsychje: yes..that will probably be my next try...im just familar with vmware and wanted to give it a go...anyways..I'll jump over there and see what they have to say..
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: the reason why we dont advice external ppa's is because they can scramble your system and make a mess with dependecys
[04:21] <speedy01> lotuspsychje: no worries...i totally understand!  im sure I'll have more specific ubuntu quetsions as the days go on...this is my first go at linux as my primary desktop
[04:21] <speedy01> i hated windows 10 so much, i decided it was time to try something different
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: then i welcome you to the ubuntu community!
[04:22] <speedy01> thank you...it has not been an easy road! lol  i had a problem with the installer not liking my hardware...which seemed to be a pretty common issue with it...
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> speedy01: feel free to use #ubuntu to ask your ubuntu questions in the future :p
[04:25] <speedy01> lotuspsychje: i have...you have a someone in here (tomreyn i think) who was very helpful a few days ago
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> thanks for the feedback speedy01
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | tomreyn
[04:26] <jk^> hi all, pls at the pc's shutdown it appears some lines, i noticed several error lines which don't appear before... but i have no time to read, because in few seconds pc shutdown. Where may i find those logs?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> jk^: syslog & dmesg mostly hold usefull errors on your system
[04:27] <speedy01> im off to bed...thanks again.
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> jk^: another way, is to press F1 at your shutdown process, to actually read the lines(if it doesnt get too fast aswell)
[04:31] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/1pSZ6nrQ
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> jk^: do you recognize some errors you have noticed on shutdown?
[04:34] <jk^> i remember just yellow and red error's color... however there are too many lines in these logs
[04:34] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/TmhpddKB
[04:35] <jk^> lotuspsychje
[04:35] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/qPjx1rTM
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> jk^: well its bit hard for us to guess, what you did to your system exactly..does these errors slowdown your shutdown process?
[04:37] <jk^> no....
[04:37] <jk^> they doesn't
[04:37] <jk^> they don't
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> jk^: so why do these errors annoy you exactly?
[04:38] <jk^> however i see an error that talk about "DAEMON" (I don't know what it's)
[04:39] <jk^> i see it in active operating system
[04:39] <jk^> there is a message in task bar
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> jk^: a deamon is like a service at startup, did you install new programs that could have added to your shutdown text?
[04:39] <jk^> mmmmhhh... i guess it's correct... "task bar", no, excuse me... tray bar
[04:40] <jk^> "It occurs an error while updating"
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> jk^: what is your actual problem exactly?
[04:41] <jk^> if i click on that "error icon" in tray bar, after i click on "Verify updates"... it returns me "Impossibile monitorare o controllare le attività
[04:41] <jk^> La connessione al demone è stata persa. Probabilmente il demone in background è andato in crash."
[04:41] <jk^> "Connection to daemon is lost. Probably daemon in background is gone in crash"
[04:41] <jk^> (Approximate translation"
[04:41] <jk^> )
[04:41] <jk^> Approximative
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> jk^: have you installed external ppa's perhaps that blocked your update process?
[04:42] <jk^> Excuse me, for my english, i hope u understand the meaning
[04:42] <jk^> no....
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> !it | jk^ see also
[04:43] <jk^> recently, i just try to set password at startup... and change account type from "Custom" to "Administrator" because i'm the only user of this pc.... then i guessed, it's more useful to set directly my account to administrator account
[04:43] <jk^> in the same window, i choose to "Ask me password" at the startup
[04:43] <jk^> these are the only changes i've done
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> jk^: you did not install new software?
[04:44] <jk^> no, lotuspsychje i didn't...
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> jk^: can you make a screenshot of what you see?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> jk^: wich ubuntu version is this anyway?
[04:45] <qwebirc71632> anyone can help me? i am having problem installing full gnome desktop on ubuntu 18.04
[04:45] <qwebirc71632> the command sudo apt install tasksel taking forever to finish
[04:46] <jk^> after i tried to set password at startup but preferences "Users and groups"... I reboot, but it don't ask me password... then someone in a support channel told me to add 2 "#" at the last 2 lines in this file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[04:46] <jk^> lubuntu 16.04.4
[04:47] <jk^> the rest of the previous message i translated "It seems that the daemon died."
[04:47] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TliwPVGaChsvvU-NtfYX3N9YlqLghG52/view?usp=sharing
[04:47] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bAzhdpti-YlqijBqrw0CQC-sfzDOsZG8/view?usp=sharing
[04:48] <jk^> after those problems, i change again the file by: sudo leafpad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[04:48] <jk^> and remove the 2 "#
[04:48] <jk^> lotuspsychje
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> jk^: you are mixing multiple facts togheter i think...
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> jk^: can you screenshot the deamon & update problem plz?
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc71632: are you clean installing ubuntu 18.04?
[04:50] <qwebirc71632> yes. cleaned installed on a VM
[04:51] <qwebirc71632> installation and network config is done. i can log-in and now wanted to install gnome desktop
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc71632: gnome is already default on 18.04, why are you installing gnome?
[04:53] <qwebirc71632> i didn't know gnome is default, neither i can see how to activate desktop. i wanted to have full graphical desktop as default desktop when server is booted-up
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc71632: your on ubuntu 18.04 server?
[04:53] <qwebirc71632> yes
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc71632: ah, best to mention details like that, see #ubuntu-server please
[04:54] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w_SPXzY3WDHKCkXF9-5TaC_XuBRfMX-o/view?usp=sharing
[04:54] <jk^> lotuspsychje
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc71632: by default ubuntu server has no GUI
[04:54] <qwebirc71632> hmm. ok thanks for the info
[04:54] <qwebirc71632> yes, right. thats the reason i was trying to get gnome
[04:55] <jk^> it appears if i click on error icon in tray bar (bottom right of screen) and after click on "Verify updates"
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> jk^: can you try this from a terminal: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:57] <jk^> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:57] <jk^> all in the same line?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> jk^: yes, and then hastebin us the output
[05:01] <jk^> it asks me "After this operation they have be occupied 162 kb on drive" Yes or Not?
[05:01] <jk^> lotuspsychje ?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> jk^: yes
[05:02] <jk^> ok
[05:02] <bropro> hey, i recently installed ubuntu and i'm trying to switch the desktop envronment
[05:03] <bropro> i've apt install xfce4 no problem
[05:03] <killatay> im having trouble getting my built in webcam to work. cheese or skype does not detect. dmesg shows the camera as usb 3-3. any ideas?
[05:03] <jk^> pls may u tell me, what that command it's doing to?
[05:03] <jk^> lotuspsychje
[05:03] <bropro> but when i log out there's no way to select it
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> jk^: its updating apt and updating your system
[05:03] <jk^> apt?
[05:04] <Jedee> hi guys, i've installed a new SSD and installed Xubuntu on it, my old HDD with a faulty distro upgrade keeps booting first instead of the ssd, should i remove the boot flag of the hdd?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> jk^: yes, the package tool
[05:05] <jk^> does it take many minutes?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> jk^: depends how long you did not update..
[05:06] <Jedee> is ext4 just as accessible as fat 32?
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> jk^: im on breakfast first, after update, reboot please
[05:06] <jk^> i have set "automatic updates". I often get notices for updates, and i regularly do all of that
[05:06] <jk^> ok... i have to go too... see u soon
[05:06] <Gr33ntea_> Hello friends, I was here earlier about needing help installing Ubuntu. Currently I am able to boot into the live cd, but after 3 seconds my ability to click mouse buttons, or type is completely gone. However my ability to move my mouse still works. I was recommended to try and attempt an install using an external keyboard and mouse, however these devices also do not work. I am trying to install this on a lenovo y530
[05:07] <Gr33ntea_> Also I should mention it is the new Y530, and not the one released a couple years back.
[05:09] <Jedee> if i delete the boot partition with flags on my old hdd, will it stop booting, and use the ssd?
[05:18] <bropro> hey i restarted, sorry
[05:19] <bropro> anyways im still having a weird issue where xfce is installed but doesn't eem to be.. doing anything
[05:22] <oerheks> bropro, logout, click your username, password and change desktop wheel should appear
[05:22] <bropro> it doesn't appear until you enter your password?
[05:23] <oerheks> yes, it is not visible, and should be on the top panel too
[05:24] <oerheks> ugly design, i know
[05:24] <oerheks> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4jsFEm8cS8/WpH8vXNhZOI/AAAAAAAANeo/O0X1lVaAow8BJF2dW7uoriWfYSzqLHrgACLcBGAs/s1600/communitheme-login.png
[05:29] <bropro> hmm
[05:29] <bropro> i'm at the login screen and have typed in my password but still no wheel
[05:29] <bropro> not sure if theres' any way to take a screenshot
[05:30] <jk^> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/raw/8CzQeqMV
[05:51] <perk_> hello
[05:54] <bropro> ok, this is silly, but i literally reinstalled ubuntu and then did apt install xfce4 and now it works lol
[06:17] <OlofL> I use ProxyJump on a lot of host. Is it possible to have ssh resolve DNS via the proxyjump aswell?
[06:28] <jk^> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/raw/8CzQeqMV
[06:33] <jk^> lotuspsychje i tried to find the logs that contain the lines which appear at shutdown, i just read something like "depending" (in yellow) but i can't find logs whics contain that
[06:33] <jk^> i searched in the "Content file"'s text box
[06:53] <masber> good afternoon, is this the best way to upgrade ubuntu server? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html.en
[06:57] <oerheks> masber, yes, but do read the releasenotes
[06:57] <oerheks> !releasenotes
[07:09] <masber> why am I getting this message? Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found.
[07:10] <masber> I am running 16.04
[07:11] <masber> mmm... release ntos says Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04.1's release expected in late July. Does it means I can't upgrade just yet?
[07:11] <masber> why is that?
[07:11] <oerheks> go into the menu updates, set it to LTS, and run updates again
[07:12] <oerheks> oh wait, yes, 18.04.1 triggers he upgrade, first bugs are fixed
[07:12] <oerheks> this will happen in august,
[07:12] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[07:14] <masber> oerheks: I don't understand why I can't upgrade to 18.04
[07:14] <masber> the docs does not give any reason
[07:15] <confluency> masber: you can force the upgrade if you want to. It won't become available by default until the .1 release.
[07:16] <oerheks> it is LTS, and we guarantee it is stable
[07:16] <oerheks> so that is why 18..04.1 triggers the upgrade
[07:18] <masber> oerheks: ok, so you are saying that 18.04.1 is stable but 18.04 isn't is that right?
[07:19] <confluency> masber: 18.04 isn't "unstable". Everything is relative.
[07:20] <confluency> masber: waiting for 18.04.1 is considered a sensible extra step for some extra stability.
[07:20] <senaps> hi all, what is ubuntu 18.04 installer dialogue? does it have any python wrappers?
[07:21] <masber> ok, so how can I force the upgrade?
[07:21] <confluency> masber: pass the -d flag to do-release-upgrade.
[07:21] <ikonia> errr no
[07:21] <ikonia> -d is a development version
[07:21] <masber> -d flag is development
[07:22] <confluency> Right now, doing that upgardes to bionic.
[07:22] <ikonia> you shouldn't use -d unless you understand it
[07:22] <confluency> I just did that, two days ago.
[07:22] <masber> yes Idon't want to use development
[07:22] <masber> whaat about -p?
[07:22] <masber> it says proposed
[07:22] <confluency> Using -d on a 16.04 system causes an upgrade to bionic.
[07:22] <ikonia> confluency: do you know that today ?
[07:23] <confluency> I know that happened literally two days ago when I did it.
[07:23] <ikonia> confluency: two days ago is not today
[07:23] <ikonia> cosmic has moved on -d can take you to cosmic
[07:23] <ikonia> so again -d shouldn't be use unless you WANT a development version
[07:23] <ikonia> and again - only if you know what you are doing
[07:23] <ikonia> please don't suggest -d
[07:26] <masber> ikonia, is there anything I can do to upgrade my 16.04 to a supported version?
[07:26] <confluency> masber: 16.04 *is* supported.
[07:27] <ikonia> masber: 16.04 is still in support as confluency states, the official upgrade process starts at 18.04.1 as with the other releases.
[07:27] <ikonia> I think there is a note about it on the upgrade page that normally states the .1 release is the trigger
[07:28] <masber> ah ok, I see
[07:28] <masber> so they release the XX.04 LTS first and then the XX.04.1 with the fixes and that is the official one people should upgrade
[07:28] <confluency> The official dicumentation has instructions to use -d on an LTS system to force the LTS-to-LTS upgrade early: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[07:28] <masber> so XX.04.1 is more stable
[07:29] <confluency> This is consistent with multiple other sources that I've found.
[07:29] <confluency> If this is incorrect, is there a more detailed source of information describing the behaviour of -d on an LTS and non-LTS system?
[07:30] <ikonia> it's not incorrect, it will technically work as long as the development version has not been flagged as available
[07:30] <ikonia> hence why it should not be blindly used
[07:30] <confluency> I wasn't suggesting using it "blindly"; it is my understanding that until the .1 release using it will cause an upgrade to 18.04.
[07:31] <ikonia> masber: .1 allows enough time for all the upgrade testing and fixes to be in for a stable upgrade for the majority
[07:31] <ikonia> confluency: it's not always until the .1 release
[07:31] <confluency> Is there documentation explaining what determines this?
[07:31] <ikonia> confluency: it's a meta tag in the release file
[07:32] <ikonia> what triggers the change in that meta tag, I don't know
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | masber
[08:23] <oerheks> " to force the LTS-to-LTS upgrade early"... don't do -d, as Cosmic 18.10 is in development
[08:32] <cpplearner> Anyone using Dante?
[08:52] <Grievre> So I've noticed an annoying behavior of 16.04 LTS's default install: If you installed with full disk encryption, it installs security updates daily but never autoremoves, so /boot will fill up eventually
[08:53] <Grievre> (a matter of like a few weeks to 2-3 months in my experience so far)
[08:53] <Grievre> Is there a box I can check that makes it remove old kernels or do I just need to make a root cron job to run apt -y autoremove?
[08:53] <ppf> you can enable autoremove in apt unattended-upgrades
[08:54] <Grievre> Hmm, no gui option for it though?
[08:55] <ppf> no idea, not a gui person
[09:07] <genos> hi
[09:08] <genos> im writing to a file continuously and trying to read from it using tail -f file.txt. but this only works after i stop writing to the file. how do i make it so that it works when I'm writing to the file too?
[09:09] <EriC^^> genos: that's what tail -f does
[09:09] <EriC^^> genos: how are you writing to the file?
[09:10] <blackflow> genos: you're probably writing to the file in a buffered mode
[09:26] <genos> EriC^^: Im writing to it with the '>' operator
[09:28] <blackflow> genos: what's left of  >   ?
[09:30] <EriC^^> genos: you could use "watch -n1 tail /file"
[09:33] <Catalysm> Hi there, i'm trying to troubleshoot a cron job. From the logs it looks like it is running, I try and send error output to a file but that error file is empty. From syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2cYcMWhrs/
[09:34] <Catalysm> Running the script directly works, I tried logging env output but same issue, it looks like the job runs from syslog but it's not outputting anything
[09:34] <blackflow> Catalysm: 0>  1>   ?    did you mean   1> and 2>  ?
[09:35] <Catalysm> Oh right, I did 1> 2> aswell. 0> 1> was something I tried while debugging
[09:35] <Catalysm> Pasted wrong logline, my bad :p
[09:36] <blackflow> Catalysm: if it doesn't produce long lines, run it without any redirection. cron should mail you any output. also, what's with that MTA error
[09:36] <blackflow> s/long lines/significant output unsuitable for mailing as text/
[09:37] <Catalysm> No clue what that MTA error is :/ I didn't really touch any mail stuff on that server
[09:37] <blackflow> might need to set MAILTO=<your adddr>  in the crontab, unless you alias root: to an external address (or check root's mail)
[09:37] <Catalysm> Alright let me try messing with the mailing stuff
[09:37] <blackflow> Catalysm: start by checking root's mail
[09:37] <blackflow> `sudo mail`
[09:38] <Catalysm> No mail on root or postgres user
[09:38] <blackflow> Catalysm: oh... whose is the crontab?
[09:38] <Catalysm> postgres user
[09:39] <Catalysm> I'm trying to automatically backup a database
[09:39] <blackflow> Catalysm: but why run as postgres?
[09:39] <Catalysm> Good point lemme switch it out
[09:39] <blackflow> anyway, I'd look into that MTA error as if cron wasn't able to mail out error output. also try that crontab without redirection see if cron mails you anything
[09:39] <blackflow> Catalysm: I'm guessing you're just doing the dump? or is PITR involved?
[09:40] <Catalysm> yep, just a psql dump_all
[09:41] <blackflow> Catalysm: I wouldn't use postgres user for that. either root or create a dedicated system user with postgres' "superuser" privilege
[09:42] <EriC^> x
[09:42] <Catalysm> Ahh okay, it ran as root now. Same issues, didn't look like it did anything
[09:42] <Catalysm> Same MTA error
[09:42] <blackflow> but for starters, I'd test all this as root, to eliminate permission issues at first.
[09:42] <EriC^> Catalysm: make the command > /home/postgres/bkup.err 2>&1
[09:42] <EriC^> 0> is stdin 1> is stdout 2> is stderr
[09:42] <blackflow> EriC^: they did, read on :)
[09:42] <blackflow> 2>&1 is not what they want
[09:42] <EriC^> i got d/c
[09:43] <EriC^> why's that?
[09:43] <blackflow> because they want to log stderr and devnull stout, according to that pastebin
[09:43] <EriC^> yes and what is 1> you think?
[09:43] <EriC^> that's stdout not stderr
[09:44] <blackflow> yes, and they DON'T want to log stdout :)
[09:44] <blackflow> like I said.
[09:44] <EriC^> blackflow: ok..
[09:44] <EriC^> Catalysm: make the command 2> /home/postgress/bkup.err
[09:45] <EriC^> might as well log the stdout since some programs aren't that well behaved in that respect, but whatever :D
[09:45] <blackflow> EriC^: except this is in cron so cron will mail all that
[09:45] <Catalysm> Alright I'll try thanks for helping :d
[09:45] <blackflow> let's not change the orig intention and find out why it's not logging.
[09:46] <EriC^> blackflow: no harm in using and understanding these stuff right?
[09:46] <blackflow> EriC^: sure, but it's TMI at the moment, first things first ;)
[09:46] <EriC^> i think his orig intention was to log the stderr :)
[09:46] <blackflow> yup, and devnull stdout
[09:47] <blackflow> which would shutup cron's attempt to mail stuff.  but eh... that MTA error though... I'd investigate that first.
[09:47] <EriC^> ok as i said use 2> if you want to log the stderr Catalysm not 1>
[09:47] <qwebirc28590> Hi
[09:47] <blackflow> EriC^: (yup, that was first thing mentioned ;)  )
[09:47] <EriC^> blackflow: he's not even "devnull" ing stout in his post, he's sent 0> to /dev/null
[09:47] <qwebirc28590> how can i fix this issue
[09:47] <qwebirc28590> E: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS _Xenial Xerus_ - Release amd64 (20170215.2)/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80] E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zest
[09:48] <blackflow> EriC^: that's why I said read on, so you don't waste time correcting that ;)
[09:48] <Catalysm> Ahhh I think I got it, the rclone config is messed up in cron vs normal execution
[09:48] <Catalysm> Don't really know why that's not logging though
[09:48] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: the sources are wrong
[09:48] <blackflow> Catalysm: did you try with no redirection?
[09:48] <Catalysm> Yeah, that was same as before
[09:49] <Catalysm> I tried 2> bkup.err
[09:49] <Catalysm> 2018/07/11 09:47:02 NOTICE: Config file "/root/.config/rclone/rclone.conf" not found - using defaults
[09:49] <Catalysm> 2018/07/11 09:47:02 Failed to create file system for "stack:Jira-CFL": didn't find section in config file
[09:49] <blackflow> Catalysm: did you try NO redirection AT all?
[09:49] <blackflow> the idea being to see if cron will mail you stuff (which it should if there's output
[09:49] <blackflow> and then fix the MTA thing if it doesn't.
[09:49] <Catalysm> Oh yeah I did that, is what I meant. MTA error still happened though
[09:50] <Catalysm> The VPS host is kindof anal about mail spam, maybe they block something in that aspect?
[09:50] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:50] <blackflow> Catalysm: do you know how to test local sendmail?
[09:50] <Catalysm> I know I can google that :) brb
[09:50] <EriC^> Catalysm: the 2nd line is your error
[09:50] <EriC^> Failed to create file system for "stack:Jira-CFL": didn't find section in config file
[09:50] <blackflow> Catalysm: sendmail the binary (and postfix' shim of it), not the whole MTA btw.
[09:51] <qwebirc28590>  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 http://termbin.com/qept
[09:51] <blackflow> Catalysm: is that OVH btw?
[09:51] <Catalysm> No, VPS dime
[09:51] <qwebirc28590> yes
[09:51] <Catalysm> I'm trying the mail stuff now
[09:51] <blackflow> Catalysm: oh. so they're Banal about mail too eh.
[09:51] <qwebirc28590> i gave manully link for update missed files
[09:52] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: type "cat /etc/issue"
[09:52] <qwebirc28590> cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS \n \l
[09:52] <Catalysm> sendmail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[09:52] <blackflow> Catalysm: basically you    `sendmail -f root root < test.eml`   where test.eml is a text mail containnig basic headers:   From: root\nTo: root\nSubject: Testing\n\nTesting
[09:52] <blackflow> Catalysm: tehre you go. your postfix is illconfigured.
[09:52] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: you have some wrong repos there, the zesty ones at the top, time to reinstall
[09:53] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: did you update the system since adding those repos?
[09:53] <Catalysm> It is indeed :P Weird though, on the other VPS (from digital ocean) that worked out of the box
[09:53] <Catalysm> Didn't know I need to mess with it for local mail
[09:53] <qwebirc28590> yes i updated once
[09:53] <blackflow> Catalysm: _no_ VPS provider offers sane, unmodified preinstalled linuxes. ALWAYS configure everything yourself ;)
[09:53] <qwebirc28590> but same issue
[09:54] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: is it a fresh install?
[09:54] <qwebirc28590> yes
[09:54] <blackflow> Catalysm: you need something to deliver mail, even if for local users.
[09:54] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: reinstall xenial
[09:54] <Catalysm> Good advice ;) I've got something to work with now, thanks alot! I need to go to the store real quick so I'll continue in a few
[09:54] <Catalysm> I think I can manage now that I get the errors
[09:54] <qwebirc28590> yesterday i have installed this OS
[09:55] <blackflow> i'll be sure to thank Alot when I see him. :)     we're here if you need moar help. #ubuntu-server is there too, a bit more appropriate.
[09:55] <qwebirc28590> ok , I try to reinstall  xenial
[10:04] <qwebirc28590> Going to update these repo for aove issues
[10:04] <qwebirc28590> #------------------------------------------------------------------------------# #                            OFFICIAL UBUNTU REPOS                             # #------------------------------------------------------------------------------#   ###### Ubuntu Main Repos deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted universe multiverse  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted universe
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> !paste | qwebirc28590
[10:05] <qwebirc28590> ok
[10:06] <qwebirc28590> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xJJ4pKsFbg/plain/
[10:08] <qwebirc28590> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xJJ4pKsFbg/
 qwebirc28590: reinstall xenial - it's fine for that
[10:14] <EriC^> qwebirc28590: there are other repos below also zesty, also if you actually ran any upgrades with those repos there then your system is borked now
[10:14] <EriC^> if it's a fresh install just reinstall and dont add repos or ppas not for your release
 : Now i have updated with this repo . issues of package not available resolved mean of the time
[10:19] <qwebirc28590> have a look repo http://termbin.com/apui
[10:28] <qwebirc28590> Hi
[10:28] <qwebirc28590> Any one did installation of kamailio application over uantu
[10:28] <qwebirc28590> ubantu*
[10:30] <qwebirc28590> kamailio ?
[10:31] <sweb> ubuntu mini iso 16.04 installtion during base install faild
[10:32] <sweb> http://uupload.ir/files/2aw8_screenshot_from_2018-07-11_15-01-11.png
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 is this for kamailio ..os ver should be on 16.04
[10:42] <blackflow> sweb: old installation media? that version of apt seems invalid and too old
[10:46] <sweb> i just download now from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[10:46] <sweb> it's fresh ... also md5sum checked
[10:47] <anddam> I installed a fresh 18 server system, configured the eth interface to use dhclient at install time. How can I see what DHCP server provided info to the system?
[10:47] <anddam> the system is functional and I'm logged onto it via ssh
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> anddam: see #ubuntu-server
[10:49] <anddam> lotuspsychje: thanks
[10:49] <ChipM0nk> quick question, I have Ubuntu 18.04... I have a wireless keyboard and mouse... every so often my keyboard freezes and doesn't respond to any touches on the keyboard. I have to manually turn it off/on and sometimes unplug the wireless receiver. anyway, is there a setting that could be causing this? it's fine on Windows 10.....?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> ChipM0nk: wireless over bluetooth?
[10:51] <abdulhakeem_> in Ubuntu Server, I try to edit my user's .bashrc and make an alias for ls to have the -l flag by default, but it doesn't work. All my other aliases seem to work except for that one specifically
[10:51] <ChipM0nk1> sorry lotuspsychje my bnc d/c
[10:52] <abdulhakeem_> alias ls='ls -l '
[10:52] <abdulhakeem_> but when I source .bashrc and do an ls, it doesn't work its just ls with no flags, instead of ls -l by default like I want
[10:53] <ChipM0nk> lotuspsychje, it's a mk345 wireless keyboard and mouse.
[10:53] <Shabbysheik> abdulhakeem_: have you tried just L... as in alias l="ls -l"
[10:53] <deem> abdulhakeem_: are you sure it doesn't get overwritten later in .bashrc?
[10:54] <abdulhakeem_> deem: o good point hadn't thought of that
[10:54] <abdulhakeem_> Shabbysheik: I can try that too
[10:55] <abdulhakeem_> deem: o yep that's the problem. I guess it helps to read the ENTIRE file lol
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ChipM0nk: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and disconnect and reconnect keyboard & mouse again, see what kind of errors you getiing
[10:56] <abdulhakeem_> thanks
[10:56] <BluesKaj> or use bash_aliases instead of bashrc
[10:57] <sweb> problem solved seems be for dns. i switch 8.8.8.8 instead of 4.2.2.4 problem solved 0_o
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> !yay | sweb
[10:59] <ChipM0nk> I also looked on Google and others are having issues too lotuspsychje so I plugged it in the front of my PC and it seems better now. time will tell. xD thanks!
[10:59] <deem> abdulhakeem_: you're welcome :)
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !yay | ChipM0nk
[11:02] <Industrial> How do I upgrade my ubuntu to the latest version? I dont cAre about LTS I just want the latest one
[11:02] <Industrial> sudo apt dist-upgrade does nothing
[11:02] <Industrial> UI am running 16.04
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Industrial
[11:03] <Industrial> so anything in between?
[11:03] <Industrial> 17 antything?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> Industrial: wait till the end of the month?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> Industrial: or clean install 18.04 now if you cant wait
[11:05] <Industrial> What's LTS about anyway? Can't it just always work for everyone when you enter a command "upgrade to the latest version" ? Like why does it have to be in these cycles? Can't it just always upgrade all software to their latest versions? WHy is the whole OS versioned? What am I missing?
[11:06] <confluency> It's possible to force an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 now.
[11:06] <confluency> Industrial: LTS exists because not everyone has the same requirements.
[11:06] <Industrial> is it because people fear touching their PC and fear breakage with change?
[11:07] <confluency> Some people want an extremely stable system which doesn't need new versions of the software,
[11:07] <confluency> They don't want to risk the slight instability that comes with bumping all the versions regularly.
[11:08] <confluency> That slight instability can be a major problem on critical infrastructure.
[11:08] <confluency> I run the latest release on my home laptop, and LTS on my work laptop.
[11:08] <Industrial> I have a backup laptop :/ problem solved
[11:09] <confluency> Businesses don't have backup servers just lying around, and there is a cost to switching.
[11:09] <udin> hello
[11:09] <confluency> Not everyone has the same requirements and constraints as you.
[11:09] <Industrial> right so, then they just should turn off "Auto" updating :p
[11:09] <confluency> What does that mean?
[11:10] <udin> hello guys
[11:10] <confluency> LTS isn't just about frequency of updating; it's also about duration of support.
[11:10] <Industrial> that I'd want my system to just do the upgrade without even asking me when a software package upgrades on the repo
[11:10] <blackflow> Industrial: you don't want that.
[11:10] <confluency> The entire point of LTS is that the LTS release is supported and maintained for an extended period of time.
[11:10] <Industrial> I'm going to look into archlinux now.
[11:10] <Shabbysheik> Industrial: that works for you, but business, research and academia have very different requirements. If you want to update now just do sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[11:10] <confluency> Enjoy.
[11:11] <confluency> You're mad that people with different needs have different options, and that your system doesn't upgrade stuff without asking you?
[11:11] <Shabbysheik> sigh... its like hitting your head on a brick wall some days
[11:11] <blackflow> <three weeks later> BAWWW! My rolling release unconditional, unsupervised auto-upgrade borked everything!
[11:12] <Shabbysheik> lol, exactly blackflow
[11:12] <ppf> i mean, you can enable unattended upgrades
[11:12] <blackflow> which you shouldn't on critical systems, really.
[11:13] <ppf> i'd say it should be a gradual decision but i get the point, yeah
[11:14] <blackflow> unfortunately the dream of totally unsupervised, auto-updating, stable system is stil just a dream. maybe one day when AIs take over everything from software development through maintenance :)
[11:14] <confluency> Earlier someone objected when I suggested -d. Surely there is a separate list of development releases for LTS and non-LTS, and -d on an LTS-to-LTS system will never pick Cosmic?
[11:15] <pulsar12> blackflow, do you think that is possible? i believe yes
[11:15] <bagih> hello
[11:15] <blackflow> pulsar12: maybe one day.
[11:20] <hadifarnoud> do you know how can I fix my ipv6 'deprecated' issue?
[11:20] <hadifarnoud> https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a
[11:22] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: what do you mean?
[11:22] <hadifarnoud> I can't connect to my ipv6 from another machine with ipv6 setup
[11:24] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: that's hetzner right?  are you sure about the fe80::1%eth0?  I think you only need fe80::1
[11:25] <hadifarnoud> yes blackflow. it says in dashboard that my ip is 2a01:4f8:1c17:5d80::1/64
[11:25] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: do you even need those pre-up and pre-down route rules? I doubt that.   anway, is there firewall involved? are you blocking icmpv6
[11:26] <hadifarnoud> it was there by default. not sure what it does
[11:27] <hadifarnoud> no firewall. ufw is disabled
[11:27] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: by default? you mean by hetzners official ubuntu installation image? if so, you should open a ticket and tell them ipv6 is not woring on their official images.
[11:27] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: hetzner also has HW firewall. check that as well in your robot interface
[11:27] <hadifarnoud> blackflow: I did ask them. they gave me a config that screwed up the networking. hence me asking here
[11:28] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: that eth0:0 stanza looks totally wrong
[11:28] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: first things first. which ubuntu is this? 16.04?
[11:28] <hadifarnoud> what does eth0:0 even mean?
[11:28] <ppf> is there a way to download a package from a repo?
[11:29] <hadifarnoud> @blackflow: I basically have two IPv4 and one IPv6.
[11:29] <hadifarnoud> how do I set the interfaces?
[11:30] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: which ubuntu
[11:30] <hadifarnoud> 16.04
[11:32] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: you have one  "iface eth0 inet static" stanza, with "address" and "gateway", for each IPv4
[11:32] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: btw, is it eth0 or predictable naming? I don't use hetzner's official images and I don't know how they set it up
[11:32] <hadifarnoud> don't know what you mean by predictable
[11:33] <hadifarnoud> it's always eth0 I assume
[11:33] <blackflow> why are you running a public server that can harm others on the internet, if you don't know these things....
[11:34] <blackflow> also, why are you using Hetzner. They are _very much_ unmanaged and will refuse any help with configuration and setup. you're exected to know how to do all this yourself. Maybe Hetzner is not the best provider for you then.
[11:34] <blackflow> *expected
[11:34] <hadifarnoud> because they are cheap and we need a lot of VPS
[11:34] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: you're setting yourself for failure then.
[11:35] <blackflow> these are all beneficial advices btw. Hetzner is NOT of users who do not know how to maintain their servers.
[11:35] <hadifarnoud> doesn't have the luxury of using managed service like Rackspace
[11:35] <blackflow> you will get flagged and shut down by their automated checks if you misconfigure. it'll happen on a friday and you'll be down until monday until you explain yourself to them.
[11:36] <hadifarnoud> I pretty much know how to maintain them. been doing it for two years. not a DevOps but I manage
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> ppf: apt download or something?
[11:36] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: okay then, so "predictable" naming comes with systemd as of 15.04. depending on the configuration, it is etierh that (default) or reverted to old ethX naming.
[11:36] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: so first thing, is to know which is it. if you can ssh to that machine, `ip addr show` will tell you
[11:37] <hadifarnoud> it's default
[11:37] <hadifarnoud> eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000
[11:38] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: second, for multiple IPv4 addresses, have multiple iface stanzas.    for ipv6, I _think_ you don't need %eth0  for fe80::1 gateway, and those up/down trigger rules seem all wrong, esp. if they set ipv4 from inet6 stanza.
[11:39] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: at any rate, when using `ip` you don't need it. can't remember for ifconfig.
[11:40] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: third, order yourself a KVM (LARA) incase you lock yourself out with broken network config, have it in standby. it's free for 2 hours, so make sure you set up all you need in that windo, or you'll have to pay for extra time.
[11:40] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: and this is more suitable for #ubuntu-server btw ;)
[11:40] <hadifarnoud> did the third already. messed up once and fixed it
[11:41] <hadifarnoud> is there any way I can test the config before restarting networking?
[11:42] <Haris> hello all
[11:42] <Haris> how to get php pthreads mod with php5 on 14.04 lts ?
[11:42] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: not really, unless you first configure with `ip` and then convert that to permanent stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:43] <hadifarnoud> in that case, let me write the config and show you first @blackflow
[11:43] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: #ubuntu-server is more suitable for this btw
[11:43] <hadifarnoud> did not find you there
[11:44] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: I'm there alright :)
[11:55] <ppf> lotuspsychje: i don't want to add the ppa
[11:55] <ppf> lotuspsychje: but i just used the browser to download, that works too :)
[11:55] <Sid__> #ubuntu-security
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> ppf: i meant, from terminal you can use apt to download the .deb
[12:04] <smallville7123> How do i get my wireless device to be detected in netboot
[12:05] <smallville7123> I only have lo and enp2s0
[12:09] <smallville7123> i have Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[12:09] <smallville7123> (rev 10)
[12:10] <smallville7123> i have Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) *
[12:10] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123, enp2s0 is your ethernet ..
[12:11] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123, need wireless model
[12:12] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123, from Terminal ... sudo lshw -C network .. find and red wireless model
[12:13] <smallville7123> lshw is not found
[12:13] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123, sudo apt-get install lshw
[12:14] <smallville7123> apt-get not found
[12:14] <smallville7123> apt not found
[12:14] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123, sudo apt install lshw
[12:14] <smallville7123> sudo not found
[12:14] <Mr_Pan> smallville7123,     sudo apt install lshw
[12:15] <smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/LmWbWhk.jpg
[12:15] <reph> lol
[12:15] <reph> cat /etc/*release
[12:15] <ioria> he's on the minimal neinstall shell
[12:15] <Mr_Pan> omg ...
[12:16] <reph> smallville7123: try       lspci
[12:16] <reph> should also list your wifi shenannigans
[12:17] <smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/mA54HxA.jpg
[12:18] <reph> rtl8821ae 802.11ac
[12:20] <smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/oND6120.jpg
[12:23] <smallville7123> What now
[12:24] <smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/ClRGq6U.jpg
[12:25] <ioria> smallville7123, i think the module for your card is not included in the mini.iso installer ; confirm (or not) with lspci -k
[12:26] <smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/0xfcs6r.jpg
[12:27] <ioria> smallville7123, yes, you can only use ethernet
[12:27] <smallville7123> ;-;
[12:28] <MysticReverie> I installed a Ubuntu/Win10 dual boot by disabling secure/fastboot etc.  Now that its installed, will my dual boot work if i re-enable fastboot ?
[12:29] <EriC^^> MysticReverie: possibly, try it & see
[12:29] <MysticReverie> I dont want to damage my system, if fastboot writes something to the boot record and i cant switch back or something, so nervous to try it
[12:29] <MysticReverie> but can i swtich back if it doesnt work?
[12:29] <EriC^^> MysticReverie: no worries
[12:29] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:29] <MysticReverie> you sure?  lol
[12:29] <EriC^^> positive
[12:29] <MysticReverie> definately waont change anywthing?
[12:29] <MysticReverie> hmm
[12:29] <EriC^^> :D
[12:30] <MysticReverie> Not doubing your credintials, but can i get one or two confirmation replies?
[12:30] <MysticReverie> It was a real pain to great installed, dont want to botch it
[12:31] <EriC^^> k your time
[12:31] <MysticReverie> Didnt mean to be rude
[12:31] <ioria> MysticReverie, EriC^^ has a lot of credintials about this topic
[12:31] <EriC^^> no problem
[12:31] <MysticReverie> just hope the secure boot dowesnt overwrite anything
[12:31] <MysticReverie> hi ioria, and thanks for your very great help the other day
[12:32] <ioria> MysticReverie, ok
[12:32] <MysticReverie> if i can mess with the boot setting without fear of anything being overwritten, then i can always swtich back if they dont work
[12:33] <MysticReverie> Ok.. I will try it now.
[12:33] <MysticReverie> brb.. Footballs coming home !
[12:34] <ghist> hi, after installing the plasma-desktop package the kde desktop didnt work - there was no panel and the apps were black
[12:34] <ghist> and after installing kubuntu Alt+1 didnt work either and the scrolling didn't work with the mouse
[12:35] <ghist> why do the maintainers release broken packages and configurations in the ubuntu main repositories?
[12:37] <ikonia> pretty sure they don't release broken packages with any intention
[12:37] <MysticReverie> I found officla ubuntu apps usually sem to work.  shame your having problems.  maybe someone here can help
[12:37] <ikonia> have you actually confirmed it' broken
[12:38] <ioria> ghist, did you install  plasma-desktop from ubuntu repo ?  did you get some errors  ? what version of uubntu ?
[12:39] <ghist> I installed plasma-desktop on regular ubuntu 18.04 - and the state of kde was terrible
[12:39] <ikonia> ghist: kde being terrible is not a broken package
[12:40] <ghist> either the package or the configuration is terrible - but kde not having a working default configuration is also a huge problem
[12:40] <ikonia> a.) what repo did it come from b.) thats a meta package, so what package is "broken" c.) have you confirmed the package is broken
[12:40] <ghist> your questions are useless
[12:40] <ikonia> my questions are important
[12:40] <ghist> it's the plasma-desktop package from the ubuntu repo - that's it
[12:40] <ghist> nothing to confirm
[12:40] <ikonia> that's a meta package
[12:40] <ikonia> it references many packages
[12:40] <ghist> and?
[12:41] <ikonia> so which package is "broken" and have you confirmed they are actually broken
[12:41] <MysticReverie> It worked, shaved off 5 - 10 seconds of boot time.  Thanks very much
[12:41] <ghist> the plasma-desktop "meta" package is broken
[12:41] <ikonia> ghist: in what way is it broken ?
[12:41] <ghist> see my first comment
[12:41] <ikonia> does it miss packages out ? does it error ?
[12:41] <ikonia> ghist: no, you have said nothing about a broken package
[12:42] <ghist> ikonia: "hi, after installing the plasma-desktop package the kde desktop didnt work - there was no panel and the apps were black"
[12:42] <ghist> ^that's the definition of broken
[12:42] <ioria> ghist, let's open a console , stop your dm, and sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubutu-desktop kde-* || sudo apt-get install -f
[12:42] <blackflow> ghist: but which package, that's what ikonia is asking. the metapackage doesn't have any such "panel" and "scrolling" functionality in itself, to be broken.
[12:43] <FatNight> hi,  I hope all is well ,  I have problem with python2.7 pip at ubuntu16 ,   this bug postem in many website but without fixing the problem,  the bug is the pip crashed when you run it ,,
[12:43] <ghist> the meta package contains the kde panel, and the scrolling issue was in the kubuntu distribution
[12:43] <ikonia> ghist: that doesn't mean that's a broken package
[12:43] <blackflow> iow, you have to try and identify where exactly is the problem occurring.
[12:43] <ghist> nope it's broken because it doesn't work
[12:43] <ikonia> ghist: that means one (or more) of the packages may have a problem, that means your machine may have a problem with the packages it's using
[12:43] <ioria> ghist, ^
[12:44] <ikonia> ghist: ok - then so if you're going to take that approach to working the problem, I'll take that approach to resolving it
[12:44] <ikonia> ghist: "fix it then"
[12:44] <blackflow> ghist: you sound like you just want to complain and not see an actual solution here.
[12:44] <ghist> it means A) the given config is broken  B) the app is broken
[12:44] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[12:44] <ikonia> it means your having a problem, nothing more
[12:44] <ikonia> fix it
[12:44] <ghist> ikonia you didn't help anyway
[12:44] <ioria> ok,i'am out
[12:44] <ikonia> ghist: I was getting the information to help, if you're not willing to work with people - please stop discussing it
[12:45] <ghist> I'm seeking the testers and people with the same experience, I'm not going to debug
[12:45] <ikonia> if you're not going to debug then you can add no valu e
[12:45] <ikonia> please stop the discussion on it
[12:45] <ghist> and btw, reinstalling is not a solution - you should know that
[12:46] <ikonia> no-one said re-installing was an option, but as you won't provide information / discussion we couldn't get to that option anyway
[12:46] <ikonia> so please drop the topic unless you are willing to debug/work the problem
[12:46] <ghist> there's no discussion - I'm trying to find answeres why there are broken config in the package and why is the default kubuntu config still hasn't solved the locale issue with the key configs
[12:46] <ikonia> there may not be broken config
[12:46] <ikonia> this is why we need to debug to understand
[12:46] <ghist> there is a broken config
[12:46] <ikonia> how do you know
[12:46] <ghist> because it works on other distros, that's how
[12:47] <ikonia> that's not a valid test
[12:47] <ikonia> by that logic, everyone who is not having a problem means it's your personal problem
[12:47] <ikonia> so please go and fix it - its your personal problem
[12:47] <ikonia> (based on that logic)
[12:47] <ghist> based on your logic, every new linux user just go to the IRC and live debug broken config
[12:47] <ikonia> nope
[12:47] <ghist> I don't want to debug on the irc, i want the testers
[12:48] <ikonia> that's my logic
[12:48] <Alphr3d0> Hi all, I'm a little confused. I had a working 17.x install, and have just upgraded to 18.x. First thing I noticed was my usb mouse and keyboard were dead, so I had to go into safe mode to install a module for that. But now I can't get the eth int to even detect. "lshw" tells me it's an RTL8111/8168/8411 which Google indicates has issues. But I don't understand why it worked out of the box in 16x and
[12:48] <ikonia> any person of any skill set should work with people trying to help them resolve it
[12:48] <Alphr3d0> 17x, but died in 18x. Nor can I find any recent tips on how to fix.
[12:48] <ghist> who made the plasma-desktop package and the related packages
[12:48] <ikonia> many people - depends what repo
[12:49] <ghist> so, are you an ubuntu dev?
[12:49] <rrg> Hi all, Can someone give me a good source of LPI training material?
[12:49] <JimBuntu> This is not #ubuntu-devel
[12:50] <ghist> ok then a maintainer, someone who's responsible for testing packages - i hope the ubuntu devs don't just release after compilation
[12:50] <JimBuntu> ghist, "who made the plasma-desktop package and the related packages" is not an #ubuntu support question
[12:50] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: so, you had trouble with keyboard and mouse, installed a module for it (which "module" btw, and how did you install it), and now you have networking issues?
[12:51] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: btw, fwiw, same interface here, it's fully supported by the kernel. not even firmware is required, though it exists afaik
[12:51] <JimBuntu> ghist, "I don't want to debug on the irc, i want the testers" Then you should not be asking in #ubuntu.
[12:51] <ghist> JimBuntu: I want support but you aren't going to solve this issue without actually trying it out - and reinstallation didn't help, never did
[12:52] <JimBuntu> ghist, This place is for LIVE support, not a place to post issues, ask who the maintainers are/etc.
[12:52] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: I had working network when I booted to safe mode, that's how I then followed someone's post about installing a "xorg-something-all" app for usb devices. But now that I'm booted normally, the eth int doesn't seem to be detected properly.
[12:52] <reph> ghist: which config file in plasma-desktop is broken in your opinion?
[12:52] <rrg> Hi all, Can someone give me a good source of LPI training material?
[12:52] <reph> ghist: which file (name it)
[12:53] <ghist> reph: how would I know? after starting the session the panel crashes, the icons disappear; I added a global menu to start stuff but all the running apps displayed the a black screen - except the kde settings app which was "just" flickering
[12:53] <JimBuntu> rrg, This is probably not the right channel for your question... but... http://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/partner
[12:54] <rrg> TX Jim :) Im out.
[12:54] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: FYI, it was "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all
[12:55] <reph> well then don't blame your error on "the plasma-desktop package", because you have to find the culprit first on *your local system*
[12:55] <ghist> i wanted to pull a "valid" configuration from a kubuntu installation(in virtualbox) - but that was broken too because the scrolling didn't work and certain shortcuts did nothing(this issue is in ubuntu+kde for non-english locales for 3-4 years and still no fix...)
[12:55] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: xserver-xorg-input-all?
[12:55] <Fuchs> every app being black or flickering sounds like an issue with GPU or driver, it would probably help to disable compositing / desktop effects in KDE plasma
[12:55] <reph> try looking at your .xession-errors file
[12:55] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: ah you answered that already. k
[12:55] <Fuchs> however, as it works for many other users, I wouldn't call the package broken, rather the combination of your system, your installation and the package
[12:55] <ghist> reph: what are you talking about? I just ran sudo apt install plasma-desktop
[12:55] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: so okay, now the keyboard and mouse works, but you have no network?
[12:55] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: correct
[12:56] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: lo0 is all that shows in ifconfig
[12:56] <ghist> Fuchs: that didn't help, i tried that when I saw the issue
[12:56] <Fuchs> ghist: then it would be interesting to see some logs
[12:56] <ghist> Fuchs: the package or its config is broken if it doesn't work after installation, simple
[12:56] <reph> ghist: try a fresh kubunu installation in a VM for example just to have proof that the problem is not in the distro package
[12:57] <ghist> reph: I just did that: fresh kubuntu in vb
[12:57] <zetheroo> how does unattended updates deal with new configs?
[12:57] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: and that's Bionic, upgraded from Artful?  is there any output for dmesg | grep eth
[12:57] <Fuchs> ghist: then it would not work for others as well
[12:57] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Correct, and no. I can't really see anything in dmesg about the nic.
[12:57] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Well, correct if Artful is 17.x.
[12:57] <reph> ghist: try https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=98156
[12:57] <jocic> Hey guys, is there a way that I can log which files are transfered using the SCP command?
[12:57] <ghist> guys, this is what I'm talking about: I couldn't get a correct kde config because even the fresh kubuntu installation in vm is broken
[12:58] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: Artful is 17.10, and I doubt you pgraded from 17.04 to Bionic
[12:58] <reph> ghist: and post ~/.xsession-error
[12:58] <reph> +s
[12:58] <JimBuntu> Why are we discussing kubuntu here?
[12:58] <jocic> I was checking the SSH config, and changing the LogLevel - but no luck.
[12:59] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Sure ok, sorry - I'm new(ish) to the Ubuntu world.
[12:59] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: It just ran the upgrade through software update
[12:59] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: okay, can you pastebin the output of  dmesg | grep -Pi "net|r8169"
[12:59] <reph> JimBuntu: no, we're teaching how behave on the interwebz
[13:00] <blackflow> JimBuntu: "#ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors" topic? is not kubuntu official here?
[13:00] <JimBuntu> reph, Well #kubuntu has it's own channel, with actual kubuntu users in it to provide support for kubuntu
[13:00] <ghist> nope, plasma-desktop is an ubuntu package
[13:00] <reph> ghist: but it's a kubuntu problem ;)
[13:01] <jocic> Bah, nevermind. It seems that SCP only logs authentications.
[13:01] <JimBuntu> blackflow, Yeah, I think it is, nvm me
[13:01] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: anything you're looking for specifically? Pastebin is hard with no network on the system.
[13:01] <Fuchs> JimBuntu: as does #ubuntu havae KDE plasma users, and it would be on-topic as well
[13:02] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: the output of that command exactly :)   but I'm looking for:  eth -> predictable renames, r8169 module logged as loaded, any error about "net"workign or whatever
[13:02] <Fuchs> however, without logs this one is hard, it might also be an issue with either the host or the virtualization
[13:03] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: "audit: initializing netlink subsys (disabled)" ?
[13:03] <ghist> here's the related part from my xsession errors: https://pastebin.com/gEewPmVQ
[13:03] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: doesn't sound relevant
[13:04] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: perhaps you could take a photo of your screen with that output and post it to imgur or wherever?
[13:04] <ghist> reph: the kubuntu problems are different
[13:05] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: on it
[13:05] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: but to cut on possible wasted time, is there any output about r8169?
[13:06] <MysticReverie> Whats the difference between the 'update' feature in ubuntu software gui compare to the update in sofwtware ? I ask becasue in the Ubuntu software gui I sometimes get a connection error for a few updates, but the Software Updater GUI gives no errors.  Am I getting all my updated I need?  Thanks
[13:07] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: shorturl.at/bfAC1
[13:07] <Fuchs> ghist: seems to be having issues with the VirtualBox provided OpenGL driver,
[13:07] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: that requires login
[13:07] <Fuchs> ghist: after making sure that the correct VirtualBox extensions are installed and loaded on the guest, can you temporarily disable the 2d and 3d acceleration for that guest in virtualbox settings and see if that makes a difference?
[13:07] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: but eh, is there r8169 mentioned in that dmesg grep?
[13:07] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: try now
[13:08] <ghist> Fuchs: the blackapps thing was not present in the kubuntu version + kde works well with manjaro and virtualbox
[13:08] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: no there isn't
[13:08] <Fuchs> ghist: could you try what I wrote?
[13:09] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: lspci -k    lists Ethernet and "Kernel modules" ?
[13:09] <ghist> Fuchs: yep, but I'll need to log out and will move to #kubuntu; thanks for the hints
[13:09] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[13:09] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: lspci -k -s 02:00.0
[13:09] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: yes it does
[13:10] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: do I have to waste this much more bytes to actually ask which ones they are? :)
[13:11] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Not sure what you're asking. It says 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)    Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co, Ltd Onboard Ethernet
[13:12] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: I'm asking if that command lists "Kernel modules" for that device, and especially "Kernel driver in use"
[13:12] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: right, I misunderstood - I thought you meant did the command list the nic. It doesn't mention anything about kernel modules
[13:13] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: then I guess that particular variation of the chipset is not supported by the driver. the kernel is regular bionic's, right?  4.15?
[13:14] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: correct: 4.15.0-24-generic
[13:14] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: is the package linux-firmware installeD?
[13:15] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: yes, v 1.173.1
[13:16] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: any output  (and photo of it) for command   dmesg | grep "02:00.0"  ?
[13:17] <lblume> Hello all
[13:17] <lblume> Is there a tool that can help diagnose if a laptop's battery is dead?
[13:18] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: shorturl.at/chlu2
[13:20] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: uh, you just installed some packages? so networking works?
[13:21] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: no, I just did the "autoremove" that apt-get kept asking me to do. Just removed a bunch of old lib* packages
[13:22] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: ah, indeed, yes.  Anyway, I'm a bit at loss what to do here, it appears as if the NIC is not supported by the kernel or is missing something, but you say linux-firmware is installed... This worked under 17.10?
[13:22] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: sure did... hence my confusion.
[13:22] <zetheroo> how does unattended updates deal with new configs?
[13:23] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: grep "CONFIG_R8169" /boot/config-4.15.0-24-generic     shows it, and =m  ?
[13:24] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: one sec, I thought I'd reboot. I can't remember if I've done a full reboot since being in safe mode (although I think I have)
[13:24] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: oh you're in safe mode? no you have to be in normal boot for all the modules to load up.....
[13:25] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: meanwhile, can you    modprobe r8169  ?
[13:25] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: no I'm not, I was earlier to fix the usb input, and I *think* I rebooted since then.
[13:25] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: try that modprobe
[13:25] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: ut no hard in trying a reboot.
[13:25] <Alphr3d0> s/ut/but
[13:26] <blackflow> try the modprobe first
[13:26] <blackflow>  Alphr3d0: then dmesg | grep r8169   or   | grep 02:00.0
[13:27] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: if there's output,     netplan apply     and you should be having network.
[13:30] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: /boot/config* had =m
[13:31] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: modprobe gave "FATAL: Module r8169 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-24-generic
[13:33] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: does this say "Exists"?     [ -f /lib/modules/4.15.0-24-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko ] && echo "Exists"
[13:34] <benergy> Hey everyone! I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 with Cinnamon 3.6.7. After today's upgrade (including gdm and libmutter) my cinnamon crashes upon startup. My dmesg indicates segfaults (gnome-shell in libmutter and cinnamon in libmozjs-38.so). Can anyone help?
[13:35] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: nope
[13:35] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: only think in the realtek folder is "8139cp.ko" and "8139too.ko"
[13:38] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: is linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic  installed?   try to reinstall it (apt install --reinstall linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic)  and then you should have that driver, check wiht the above [ ... ] && echo    command
[13:38] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: what's the command to check if a package is installed?
[13:39] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: dpkg -l linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic    should list it starting with ii
[13:39] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: it attempted to re-install but needs web
[13:39] <blackflow> oh bummerino, yes, catch 22
[13:40] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: welp, live CD rescue time it is then
[13:40] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: I can't just download that pkg on another system?
[13:40] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: I'm talking to you through a ubuntu 18 laptop
[13:41] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: check /var/cache/apt/archives/   if the .deb is there, and theny ou can ship it over with an usb stick or something and dpkg install it
[13:41] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: but, it doesn't show as installed with that dpkg -l  check?
[13:42] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: what would it say for installed?
[13:42] <ppf> ii
[13:43] <blackflow> yeah the package line would start with 'ii'
[13:43] <Alphr3d0> It says rc
[13:44] <blackflow> and we have a winner. try this. copy linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic_4.15.0-24.26_amd64.deb from your working bionic's /var/cache/apt/archives/   and install it with dpkg -i linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic_4.15.0-24.26_amd64.deb  on that other machine you shiped the file over to.
[13:44] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: this is just OTOH, I make no guarantees this would work. looks like botched upgrade, and who knows what else is missing. dpkg should complain about missing deps tho' and you can ship over any such .deb from the apt cache of your laptop  ---  ASSUMING both are supposed to be Bionic.
[13:45] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: that file doesn't exist on this system
[13:46] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: run teh same dpkg -l   chekc to see if the package is installed
[13:46] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: it is
[13:46] <Alphr3d0> "ii"
[13:47] <Alphr3d0> Different version though.
[13:47] <blackflow> ah which one?
[13:47] <blackflow> -20-generic?
[13:47] <Alphr3d0> ii  linux-modules- 4.15.0-24.26 amd64        Linux kernel extra modules for ve
[13:47] <Alphr3d0> ^^ lappy
[13:48] <Alphr3d0> the rc line on the desktop says Version 4.15.0-24.26~16
[13:49] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: is there any linux-modules-extra-.... package in /var/cache/apt/archives/  ?
[13:49] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: on which?
[13:49] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: not on lappy
[13:49] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: well I suppose on both, but was really asking abotu the laptop (from where you'd copy it over)
[13:49] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: nothing linux* in that folder on the laptop
[13:50] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: but laptop is the one with working bionic, and desktop is the one with botched upgrade?
[13:50] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: correct
[13:50] <blackflow> and then I suppose no such .deb file on the desktop either, under /var/cache/apt/archives?
[13:51] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: desktop has linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic_4.15.0-24.26~16.04.1_amd64.de
[13:51] <ppf> you can apt download the package
[13:51] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: alright, let's try this. first, what's    uname -r     on desktop,    4.15.0-24-generic?
[13:51] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: desktop also has linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-23-generic_4.15.0-23.25.amd64.deb
[13:52] <benergy> Could someone point me to information on how to debug Cinnamon? Or am I maybe in the wrong forum?
[13:52] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: yes that's right - 4.15.0-24-generic
[13:53] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: okay, what happens if you      dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-24-generic_4.15.0-24.26~16.04.1_amd64.deb   ?
[13:53] <blackflow> on the desktop
[13:55] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: and-uh btw... that version looks a bit weird. was that an update from 16.04 or something?
[13:56] <Alphr3d0> Alphr3d0: originally, yes
[13:56] <Alphr3d0> Ok, that module installed
[13:56] <Alphr3d0> It now says "ii" with dpkg -l
[13:56] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: modprobe r8169  now?
[13:56] <blackflow> this is not totally a right thing to do, but at least the package should be for more or less correct kernel and ABI
[13:56] <Alphr3d0> FIXED
[13:56] <blackflow> not so fast
[13:56] <Alphr3d0> oh :(
[13:57] <Alphr3d0> But I has interwebs! :P
[13:57] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: upgrade the system :)
[13:57] <blackflow> that package wasn't there for a reason. botched upgrade, or isn't the correct version, so upgrade the system.
[13:57] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: upgrade in which way / sense
[13:57] <blackflow> apt update && apt upgrade
[13:58] <Alphr3d0> doing
[13:59] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: if that doesn't upgrade linux-modules-extra, then I suppose that _is_ the correct package that just wasn't installed for some reason.
[13:59] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: doing, and it lists a linux-modules-extra....-report package that will be upgraded
[13:59] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: and with that, I suppose, you can say FIXED :)
[13:59] <blackflow> reboot one more time after the upgrades, to confirm a working network.
[14:00] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: it's downloading the package - will advise
[14:02] <Alphr3d0> rebooting
[14:04] <bign00b> hello, is there a way to show wall messages semt to users as a notification in GNOME?
[14:04] <bign00b> sent*
[14:05] <bign00b> I was thinking maybe a service running under their systemd --user instance listening for those and then reading off the terminal device and sending a notification, but i have no idea how thatbwould be done, is there already support for that (or something similar?)
[14:07] <bign00b> anyone?
[14:08] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: fixed?
[14:09] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: still rebooting :/ been sitting a looong time at the ubuntu splash screen
[14:10] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: try mashing keys or moving the mouse, could be that entropy issue
[14:10] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: mouse not responding
[14:10] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: mild hdd activity
[14:10] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: reboot, and from teh grub menu, remove "splash" and "quiet" words form the "vmlinuz" line for the default grub entry    (hit 'e' to edit it, remove those words, hit F10 to continue booting)
[14:10] <blackflow> that should at least show you what's going on under it
[14:13] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: and then ctrl-x ? (I'm a vim user, not emacs)
[14:14] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: ctrl-x for what?
[14:14] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: after I've removed the words from the vmlinuz line
[14:14] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: then hit F10 to continue booting that one
[14:15] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: done, currently sitting at Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount
[14:15] <Alphr3d0> moved
[14:15] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: oh, it's trying to read from fd0, lol.
[14:16] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: you have a fd in there?  O.o
[14:17] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: nope
[14:17] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: but it's trying damn hard to read block 0 from it :P
[14:17] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: if it's stuck there, reboot, same grub dance, but add     modprobe.blacklist=floppy  on the same line
[14:17] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: it's moved along
[14:18] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: fscking
[14:19] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: this desktop has been upgraded from quite a number of installations, hasn't it? what was the original installation, do you know?
[14:19] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: annnnd stuck on "Starting Authorization Manager..." and cursor has appeared.
[14:19] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: 16x
[14:19] <blackflow> k
[14:19] <blackflow> try moving the mouse randomly, in case it's the entropy thingy
[14:20] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: no go
[14:21] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: you know what? I'd recommend you back up all the data and do a clean bionic installation. upgrades can be.... flimsy, and I've had issues myself, in fact I can't remember a problem-free upgrade and I started using ubuntu with 14.04  :)
[14:22] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: that doesn't seem like a good linux mentality :/ Sheesh, in BSD land I used to upgrade systems for years.
[14:22] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: totally different complexity level
[14:22] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Gentoo too
[14:22] <blackflow> that's rolling release :)
[14:23] <blackflow> BSDs are not free from that either. each new version of base requires all pkgs rebuild due to abi changes. I've had a fair share of trouble with those, especially perl causing me to lose hair.
[14:23] <blackflow> (FreeBSD at least)
[14:23] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: yes, perl was always a bit of a painful one
[14:24] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: but this is really only 2 major updates...
[14:24] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: yeah but it's a complex beast with a lot of pakcages and a lot of changes between major, esp LTS versions
[14:24] <blackflow> usually it's gpu related
[14:25] <blackflow> I mean you could try and figure out what it is exactly and fix it, but imho it's not worth the time.  backup & reinstall that's what I did when my 17.10 -> bionic upgrade failed and I couldn't figure it out in 10 minutes (time needed to reinstall from scratch and pull data from backups)
[14:28] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: Ok, I'll kick it around tomorrow and see how I go. Otherwise, clean install it is :(
[14:28] <Alphr3d0> blackflow: many MANY thanks for your time and help though!
[14:33] <blackflow> Alphr3d0: yw
[14:48] <hbpanther> hello; just testing \/me command [/me ] to verify it's working as I was told. Sorry, to disurb conversations.
[14:50] <MysticReverie> Hi, im having troule signing in vis SASL on hexchat .  Hexchat room told me 'if hexchat is unable to save its settings, that means write access to the conf is somehow being prevented'
[14:51] <MysticReverie> Any was to check if write access is blocked?
[14:51] <MysticReverie> way*
[14:51] <omid> how to install tor on ubuntu?
[14:52] <Eagleman> I am trying to install a third party package, but I am getting the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies, with the packages missing listed. Why is it not installing all dependecies automaticly?
[15:00] <leftyfb> Eagleman: sudo apt install -f
[15:01] <rdg> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a laptop that already has Windows 10.. I want to install it to what should be /dev/sdb but Ubuntu/grub only reports one hard drive
[15:02] <MysticReverie> rdg, i had that problem
[15:02] <MysticReverie> try disable fast boot in bios, and also boot mode to uefi
[15:03] <rdg> ok. i disabled fast boot in windows but I didn't try bios
[15:04] <Eagleman> leftyfb, that was the first google hit, but that didnt work
[15:04] <MysticReverie> it worked for me
[15:05] <leftyfb> Eagleman: please pastebin the error
[15:05] <rdg> MysticReverie: here goes nothing xD
[15:06] <leftyfb> Eagleman: please pastebin the command and the error
[15:08] <MysticReverie> good luck rdg
[15:08] <Eagleman> leftyfb, got it working on 16.04, 18.04 wasnt supported
[15:09] <leftyfb> Eagleman: ok, so you don't need help?
[15:09] <Eagleman> Nope, its installing with 200 dependecies now
[15:10] <guest916> needed some help installing cuda 9.2 on 18.04 LTS with GeForce 930MX
[15:11] <guest916> Errors were encountered while processing:  /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-Q5aoAI/78-nvidia-396_396.37-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:11] <guest916> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cuda-repo-9-2-local/./nvidia-396_396.37-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/71-nvidia.rules', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-common-390 390.48-0ubuntu3 dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cuda-repo-9-2-local/./nvidia-396_396.37-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg r
[15:12] <leftyfb> !paste | guest916
[15:14] <guest916> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MPS5Y4CVvN/  ==> the errors I amd currently receiving
[15:31] <ELFrederich> hi, what is that package that has some kind of "hog" utility which can tell you which packages take up all the space?
[15:36] <ELFrederich> ahh... it was pig, not hog.  dpigs was the command and debian-goodies was the package
[15:36] <rifo> ELFrederich: do you mean wajig b y chance?
[15:37] <rifo> nvm then ^ ^'
[15:45] <Dr_Chong> So has anyone here used Landscape?
[15:47] <Dr_Chong> Is that a no?
[15:48] <bigbadpig> I'm unable to make a file association to wine.
[15:48] <bigbadpig> I can run wine someprogram.exe just fine
[15:49] <bigbadpig> but there is no way to associate someprogram.exe with wine in ubuntu 18.04
[15:50] <PCatinean> Anyone having issues with rebooting speed on 18.04 with dell xps?
[15:50] <PCatinean> Something about noveau dirvers and systemd
[15:51] <PCatinean> systemd login
[15:59] <geirha> bigbadpig: man binfmt.d    there's an example at the end
[16:02] <apteryx> uebera||: thanks for the info. Strangely, I don't have /etc/ethers installed on that Dnsmasq DHCP server
[16:03] <apteryx> I think it's an older fedora
[16:04] <apteryx> but I confirm that the fix of removing /etc/machine-id in my provisionned VMs fixed the strange behavior of Dnsmasq to use that as the clientid and give them the same IP.
[16:08] <Woodsoup> What config file do I need to delete in my hexchat folder to remove my pfrofile completely?  It keeps reverting to my old names and profile even though I added a new registered one
[16:09] <Woodsoup> is ok.. i got the answer in hexchat room
[16:11] <hans_> i got a ubuntu 10.04 system i'd like to upgrade to 16.04, should i hop through the LTSs first (10.04 -> 12.04 -> 14.04 -> 16.04), or try to upgrade directly?
[16:11] <ppf> direct upgrade is unsupported
[16:12] <hans_> as is 10.04, but should i hop through LTSs then?
[16:13] <j605> hi, I am running a server container on joyent. (I don't know if this will be relevant) systemctl --user services don't work
[16:13] <ppf> yeah
[16:13] <hans_> ppf, k, thanks
[16:13] <j605> I get Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
[16:14] <j605> I login normally using ssh so this should work
[16:15] <hans_> the 10.04 LTS says "216 packages can be updated. 183 updates are security updates." - are the 10.04 repos still up? should i try to apt update; apt upgrade; ?
[16:15] <ppf> j605: if you don't have a 'proper' session user systemd can be upset
[16:15] <Shiva187> Guys anyone that is using Conky on 18.04, trying to get my ubuntu top bar to keep its transparency, it seems like when conky loads its either too close to the top bar or it thinks it is a full screen window and therefore it removes the transparency of the top bar. Any insights would be appreciated I have tried moving the bar to the bottom instead of top and still having the same issue.
[16:15] <ppf> j605: you need to export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[16:16] <ppf> j605: like this https://gist.github.com/pfaffe/90481b0b4574032c9b902af2ba20b7a7
[16:16] <j605> ppf: I already did that :) I landed on a similar gist too
[16:17] <mezod_> hello, is it recommended to have several IdentityFile defined in .ssh/config? I have one for github and one for bitbucket, I'm not sure if I can add two IdentityFile there, or will it always try the first key against every service and on failure try the next one? is that ok?
[16:18] <ppf> mezod_: usually you define one per host
[16:18] <mezod_> ppf: like this https://stackoverflow.com/a/2419609/2129043 ?
[16:19] <blackflow> not really per host, maybe per service, but that's not needed even, as you share only the pubkeys
[16:19] <ppf> mezod_: ya
[16:19] <blackflow> mezod_: it's fine to have multiple keys, you can use ~/.ssh/config to specify which host pattern uses which.
[16:19] <mezod_> i'm not sure about the hostnames/usernames since if I only have one I don't need to specify
[16:19] <ddoobb> How can Ihide the top bar and window titlebar when a window is maximised in 18.04?
[16:20] <blackflow> mezod_: you can have a default   Host *     entry, and then override where needed
[16:20] <mezod_> also, would it be wrong to use the same key for both services?
[16:20] <blackflow> it wouldn't
[16:20] <mezod_> so maybe this is a better solution hehe
[16:21] <mezod_> thank you :)
[16:21] <ddoobb> Just look at the wasted space here... this is ridiculous. https://i.imgur.com/rgtszcl.png
[16:22] <j605> ppf: anything else I need to look for?
[16:23] <ppf> no that should suffice
[16:23] <j605> :(
[16:23] <ppf> ?
[16:24] <j605> that didn't work. I already tried setting those variables before coming here
[16:24] <blackflow> ddoobb: thats not default theme, right?
[16:25] <ppf> j605: did you verify that the values are correct?
[16:26] <j605> ppf: just checked again, they are correct. Is a socket supposed to created in /run/user/1000 automatically?
[16:26] <j605> I see that the directory is empty
[16:29] <ppf> no, it's created when the login session is created
[16:30] <j605> loginctl mentions no sessions
[16:31] <j605> sudo loginctl list-sessions is empty
[16:33] <uebera||> ddoobb: Did you try hitting F11 (full screen display)?
[16:38] <ppf> j605: is logind running?
[16:39] <effortDee> im far from a wifi router, im just getting a signal in this spot, any way i can improve receiving it my end?
[16:40] <EriC^^> effortDee: you could use a repeater in the middle
[16:41] <j605> ppf: I think so, /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
[16:41] <effortDee> anything i can do for free now?
[16:41] <ppf> j605: systemctl status systemd-logind
[16:41] <effortDee> i looked at repeaters but something for just tonight?
[16:41] <effortDee> england play and im sat like 25m from wifi router and cant get closer
[16:41] <EriC^^> effortDee: try with the doors open maybe?
[16:41] <effortDee> they are
[16:41] <effortDee> it is helping
[16:41] <xjkx> Thunar autostarts opening my home directory, why, it's not in gnome-session-proprieties list. Only gnome opens it, openbox and fluxbox don't
[16:42] <EriC^^> effortDee: can't you move the router to a closer phone line outlet?
[16:43] <j605> ppf: yes it is active and running
[16:44] <effortDee> EriC^^: there are 2 phone lines and the one the internet is on is the opposite side of the house
[16:44] <effortDee> so cant move the router
[16:44] <effortDee> sadly
[16:44] <effortDee> seems ok tho atm
[16:44] <ppf> j605: ps auxf | grep systemd # see if there's a user session running
[16:44] <effortDee> i moved it 1foot closer
[16:44] <effortDee> and that is helping it seems,
[16:45] <EriC^^> effortDee: what do you mean by the one the internet is on? you mean the dsl filter?
[16:46] <j605> ppf: there is no user session!
[16:46] <ppf> but logind is there in ps?
[16:46] <EriC^^> effortDee: you mean you have 2 phone lines separate numbers?
[16:47] <ppf> j605: what ubuntu is this?
[16:48] <ppf> and how do you log in to the machine?
[16:48] <j605> ppf: https://docs.joyent.com/public-cloud/instances/virtual-machines/images/linux/ubuntu-certified
[16:48] <j605> I login using ssh
[16:48] <ppf> into root or the user?
[16:48] <j605> user, jagan
[16:48] <ppf> i mean which ubuntu version
[16:48] <ppf> cat /etc/*-release
[16:48] <j605> 16.04
[16:49] <j605> *16.04.4
[16:52] <ppf> is your ssh daemon using pam?
[16:54] <j605> "UserPAM yes" is the default and I didn't change it
[16:54] <j605> sorry UsePAM
[16:56] <bigbadpig> geirha  It seems like it's something in the gui that's missing--gnome.  There must be a simple way to associate a file type with an executable.
[16:56] <ppf> j605: dbus is up and running?
[16:56] <ppf> j605: at this point i'm making wild guesses
[16:57] <j605> ppf: “message+  18043  0.0  1.8  45796  2364 ?        Ss   May22   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation”
[17:02] <xjkx> whats the easiest way to go from 16.04 to 18.04 without a clean install?
[17:03] <EriC^^> xjkx: sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:03] <xjkx> thanks
[17:03] <EriC^^> no problem
[17:03] <tomreyn> but that's not yet supported, right?
[17:04] <EriC^^> oh, right july 27ish
[17:04] <xjkx> it says no new release found
[17:04] <EriC^^> xjkx: if you can't wait til july 27 "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" should upgrade to 18.04 by force
[17:04] <tomreyn> i think it'll be supported starting shortly after the 18.01 release, which is expected late this month.
[17:05] <tomreyn> it might also upgrade to 18.10, which would be undesirable
[17:05] <tomreyn> 18.10 is the latest in-development release
[17:05] <xjkx> why it's not supported yet? is it so, so recent? and no i dont want .10
[17:06] <EriC^^> if he has Prompt=lts would that help?
[17:06] <tomreyn> so i would suggest you just wait two or three more weeks
[17:06] <tomreyn> EriC^^: i'm not certain
[17:06] <xjkx> ok thank you
[17:06] <tomreyn> actually i can test hits here
[17:07] <tomreyn> *this
[17:07] <EriC^^> wouldn't it be a mess to try that?
[17:07] <EriC^^> like once that command runs, all hell breaks loose
[17:08] <tomreyn> it can roll back, and should name the target release before you confirm you want to continue
[17:10] <tomreyn> right, update-manager -cd lists 18.04 as the target
[17:12] <tomreyn> xjkx: so if you want to do it before it's supported, make sure that on the bottom of "software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2" it says "For long term support releeases", then close it and run: "update-manager -cd"
[17:13] <xjkx> alright, thanks a lot :)
[17:13] <tomreyn> :)
[17:20] <foca_> Hey guys, I'm trying to set a fingerprint device on my Ubuntu, it recognize when I type lsusb "NITGen Co., Ltd", but the application fingerprint-gui does not find it recognize it. Anyone could help me here ?
[17:21] <impi> hello
[17:22] <Lil_Smurf> i am running ubunti18.04 as a server with my laptop which is the client running ubuntu 16.04 and my gf's client computer running windows 7 and several phones which at the moment dont matter neither does the windows client, if i want to backup the client running ubuntu16.04 from, can i do it server side with rsync?
[17:22] <impi> i am on kde plasma ubuntu 18.04 and i cannot connect to my bluetooth speakers
[17:22] <impi> do you perhaps have a link I can follow?
[17:22] <Lil_Smurf> basically i want the server to pull a backup of the client
[17:22] <someone235> Hi, I have a problem. My computer (asus-g752vt) is heated very easily when running linux, and then shutdown. It doesn't happen when I use windows. Someone knows why?
[17:23] <Lil_Smurf> someone235 turn off your computer-device and open the chasis. then use either compressed air or a qtip to clean all the dust off of the cpu fan and cooler
[17:24] <someone235> Lil_Smurf, yeah, maybe I'll try that
[17:24] <Lil_Smurf> someone235 keep me in the loop how things go
[17:24] <someone235> Lil_Smurf, but it's weird, because it started to happen after I did a reinstall
[17:25] <Lil_Smurf> let me know if it fixed things someone235
[17:25] <Lil_Smurf> someone235 maybe the reason is an unrelated
[17:25] <someone235> Lil_Smurf, I guess it'll be next week because I don't have compressed air with me :)
[17:26] <Lil_Smurf> compressed air is no good anyways just use what is at hand... toothpick, your brothers tootbrush, q-tip
[17:26] <Lil_Smurf> just make sure the toothbrush is dry and to clean it off after, or otherwise you are in for a beating
[17:27] <Lil_Smurf> someone235 let me know if it fixed things
[17:28] <someone235> I hate to open laptops :(
[17:28] <Lil_Smurf> oh! then just blow some air in
[17:28] <Lil_Smurf> maybe with a straw if you got one at hand
[17:30] <benergy>  Hey everyone! I am facing problems with Cinnamon 3.6.7 after having updated my Ubuntu 18 installation. The update included the packages gdm3, mutter and other libraries. Now, on startup, Cinnamon immediately crashes to fallback mode. I've been able to run dmesg and it indicates that gnome-shell and cinnamon throw segfaults (gnome-shell with "libmutter-2.so" and Cinnamon with "libmozjs-38.so"). Could anyone help me, please?
[17:31] <Lil_Smurf> I installed kodi on my Ubuntu 18.04 and it throws a segfault...what do?
[17:32] <tomreyn> Lil_Smurf: did you install the ubuntu package?
[17:35] <hggdh> benergy: which Ubuntu 18? 18.04, or the in-devel 18.10 (Cosmic)?
[17:35] <tomreyn> benergy: which ubuntu release did you upgrade from, and can you show the segfault output? which graphics card do you have there?
[17:36] <benergy> hggdh:I'm on Ubuntu 18.04-
[17:39] <tomreyn> someone235: this will be because the BIOS doesn't expose the same level of information to linux as it does to windows. you could try this (but it is somehwat advanced): http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:40] <benergy> tomreyn: The segfault begins with ACPI Errors (Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND and 1 table load failure); then there's a segfault of gnome-shell (error 4 in libmutter-2.so.0.0.0. And then comes the cinnamon segfault with reference to libmozjs.so). I'm using two NVIDIA GeForce cards, both 1070.
[17:41] <benergy> Should I use pastebin or something like that?
[17:42] <benergy> Btw, journalctl reveals that application "cinnamon.desktop" failed to register before timeout and after that it says that the fail whale is dead.
[17:43] <drkshadow> How can I specify ClientIdentifier to be MAC on every interface, always? The only option that I can see is to specify it for a given interface in netplan, which also requires I specify full network configuration (maybe DHCP)
[17:44] <drkshadow> if I specify it for "all" network devices in netplan, then I have no way to specify any other network device as static -- there's no sense of priority, or defaults
[17:44] <tomreyn> benergy: can you access terminal? ctrl-alt-f3 should get you a text login. what does "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" return?
[17:45] <ask-ygU5AP56> so, ubuntu 18.04, qt
[17:46] <ask-ygU5AP56> any hints as to how to fix the b0rked rendering of fonts for default 18.04 and qt apps?
[17:46] <ask-ygU5AP56> I try the QPA export
[17:46] <ask-ygU5AP56> I try the qt5 themes
[17:46] <ask-ygU5AP56> no go
[17:46] <ask-ygU5AP56> what's the preferred, officially supported path in order to get qt5, gtk3, qt4 and gtk2 look all the same or as similar as possible, on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[17:47] <Lil_Smurf> tomreyn why yes i did! i do not think the issue is with the package but rather with something i didnt set up right? do you have to configure kodi before first running it?
[17:48] <benergy> tomreyn: It install nothing.
[17:48] <benergy> *ed
[17:48] <noodleking> hello
[17:50] <noodleking> Is there a version of ubuntu without the Desktop, that would be suitable for use as a VM for dev work?
[17:50] <tomreyn> Lil_Smurf: i have little experience with kodi, but it surely should not segfault. you can run "ubuntu-bug kodi" to submit a bug report. also, you can run it from a terminal and capture its output and post this to a pastebin so someone here can take a look at it. kodi 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999       # this may only work if it crashes immediatley when it starts up.
[17:50] <noodleking> I used to be able to make "headless" VMs using Ubuntu and Debian, but this was years ago, and I'm very out of touch with things these days.
[17:51] <ioria> benergy, how did you install cinnamon ? cinnamon-desktop-environment    from official repo ?
[17:51] <ask-ygU5AP56> :/
[17:51] <ask-ygU5AP56> any ideas about the qt issue aforementioned?
[17:52] <blackflow> noodleking: sure, there's the server ISO you can use for installation: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[17:52] <benergy> ioria: Yep, that's how I did it.
[17:52] <ioria> benergy, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[17:52] <ask-ygU5AP56> noodleking, or mini.iso, like 64 mb or so
[17:52] <ask-ygU5AP56> noodleking, think netinstall
[17:53] <blackflow> noodleking: yeah, this is a new thing too:  https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/07/09/minimal-ubuntu-released
[17:53] <tomreyn> benergy: try this: edit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and uncomment: #WaylandEnable=false
[17:53] <noodleking> ah, thank you
[17:53] <tomreyn> benergy: alternatively, you can try replacing gdm by lightdm
[17:53] <qwebirc66758> Hi, I can not connect to a Windows shared folder, I have tried all the solutions privided in help.ubuntu.com and stackoverflow, and all I get is the same error: mount error(95): Operation not supported, I have waste almos an hour reading documentation about mount and cifs and ntfs-3g and all ends in the same result
[17:53] <noodleking> blackflow is that server iso stripped down or with the desktop stuff too?
[17:54] <qwebirc66758> Any Ideas?
[17:54] <benergy> tomreyn: Thanks, I found the first suggestion today on the Internet, but then I was just left with a black screen
[17:54] <ioria> tomreyn, i concur
[17:54] <tomreyn> benergy: actually no, ignore this,. this is just for when the login manager fails to load, but you seem to get till there, right?
[17:54] <benergy> tomreyn: Yep, the problem only arises after I log in.
[17:54] <ioria> benergy, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[17:55] <benergy> ioria: media-info isn't in the directory?
[17:55] <noodleking> ask-ygU5AP56 where do you get the mini.iso is it on the ubuntu website? (I might have missed it) Also, same for the netinstall ... never done that before.
[17:56] <ioria> benergy, grep cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:56] <blackflow> noodleking: without desktop
[17:57] <benergy> ioria: Doesn't return anything.
[17:57] <noodleking> blackflow thanks
[17:57] <ioria> benergy,  may i ask you how did you install ubuntu ?
[17:58] <benergy> ioria: I used Tuxedo WebFAI.
[17:58] <ioria> benergy,  what is that ?
[17:59] <benergy> ioria: It's an install script provided by the vendor. It downloads and installs Ubuntu and applies some tweaks for the hardware.
[17:59] <ioria> i see
[17:59] <ioria> benergy,  uname -r ?
[18:00] <benergy> ioria: 4.15.0-24-generic
[18:01] <qwebirc2029> Hello anyone able to help me with a rsyslog filter condition?
[18:01] <jje> noodleking: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[18:01] <ioria> benergy,  well,i have no clue how that script works, but i's switch to tty and i'd try to install --reinstall cinnamon-desktop-environment and then lightdm
[18:02] <ioria> benergy,  you also need to set lightdm as default dm
[18:02] <vavkamil> hi, I'm on 16.04 and my system is freezing, can anyone help me debug that?
[18:02] <benergy> ioria: Okay, I'll try that! Lightdm is a window manager, right? How can I make that my default?
[18:03] <ioria> you'll be asked
[18:03] <benergy> ioria: All right, thanks a lot. I'll give it a shot!
[18:03] <benergy> tomreyn: Thank you, too!
[18:04] <tomreyn> benergy: also check with tuxedo for a bios update
[18:05] <qwebirc2029> i need to make a filter condition in rsyslog with a wildcard - anyone able to help with that?
[18:06] <PiczzaMan> IceHard_
[18:07] <vavkamil> rtkit-daemon[1540]: The canary thread is apparently starving. Taking action.
[18:08] <vavkamil> this might be a reason why my pc keep freezing
[18:10] <compdoc> never heard of a canary thread
[18:11] <vavkamil> I hope that my CPU is right
[18:12] <compdoc> vavkamil, bad power supply or failing hard drive can make the pc freeze. overheating too
[18:13] <vavkamil> this is same issue as mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1712858
[18:14] <compdoc> so it unfreezes after a while
[18:16] <vavkamil> yeah and I think that it might be related to my ipod plugged in USB port
[18:18] <compdoc> heh, well, thats easy to test
[18:26] <jfox762> hi
[18:27] <jfox762> I'm having trouble with my Bluetooth mouse... it keeps dropping connection
[18:27] <jfox762> and forcing me to get ubuntu to "forget" the device, and repair in order to connect again
[18:27] <SomeT> in the wrong linux room
[18:27] <SomeT> lol
[18:27] <SomeT> I wanted debian
[18:28] <jfox762> I didn't have any issues until i upgraded to 18.04
[18:30] <Sbur3> When I start my desktop with Ubuntu, my multi function printer and scanner (MFC6490CW), I see the indication (pre BIOS) that my printer/scanner is a USB drive.  That's not supposed to be the case, right?  And my scanner doesn't work
[18:35] <jfox762> Does anyone know how I can fix my bluetooth issues?
[18:35] <jfox762> My mouse keeps disconnecting, and it is really hard to get it to connect...
[18:43] <jfox762> Does anyone know how I can fix my bluetooth issues?
[18:43] <jfox762> My mouse keeps disconnecting, and it is really hard to get it to connect...
[18:49] <SimonNL> jfox762: maybe #linux-wireless are able to help there
[18:50] <TyYoung> hey
[18:50] <leonardus> I need to create a soft link that points from one file in /run/user/1000 to another file in /run/user/1000 which is in a subdirectory. But when the program closes doesn't that subdirectory get wiped? How should I go about this?
[18:51] <jamie1> anyone know of any video chat clients for ubuntu that are non resource intensive
[18:51] <TyYoung> no
[18:51] <jamie1> running skype on ubuntu with a celeron basically makes the computer just about useless
[18:51] <TyYoung> does anyone see my measages
[18:51] <jamie1> yes
[18:51] <TyYoung> k
[18:51] <leftyfb> !ask | TyYoung
[18:52] <leftyfb> jamie1: tried google hangouts?
[18:52] <jamie1> not yet, didnt know how bad the cpu usage was
[18:53] <jfox762> Thanks SimonNL !
[18:53] <jfox762> :D
[18:54] <Nexilva> Hello guys, I would like to change/modify the plymouth bootsplash but I can't find relative documation on how to do so. can you please advise me>
[18:54] <Nexilva> kde-config-plymouth - KCM for Plymouth
[18:54] <Nexilva> I see this package in apt-cache search
[18:54] <jamie1> leftyfb im seeing how talking is
[18:54] <jamie1> *talky
[18:55] <Nexilva> Is there a package that changes it?
[18:56] <qwebirc68238> ubuntu 18 server have problems whit samba?
[18:56] <Bacteria> shit samba?
[18:56] <drkshadow> Every. Single. Statement. Is openening about five SSH connections to the host, including one to copy a file, a second to run a file, and a third to get the results of that run showing that it can sudo, then it opens another to copy its script, and another to run that script as sudo.... or something very close to that. How do I make it not make SO SO SO MANY connections?
[18:57] <leftyfb> qwebirc68238: no
[18:57] <leftyfb> !language | Bacteria
[18:57] <drkshadow> Ubuntu 18 server has problems with networking.
[18:57] <leftyfb> drkshadow: Please don't
[18:57] <drkshadow> lefty: I'm not anything, so that statement is overly fague.
[18:57] <Bacteria> ubottu: shutup goof
[18:58] <blackflow> Nexilva: seen this (and the links at teh bottom of it, especially the first one)?  https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/
[18:58] <leftyfb> Bacteria: can we help you with something?
[18:58] <leftyfb> drkshadow: use "ControlMaster auto" in your ssh config
[18:59] <leftyfb> drkshadow: or make your script do everything over the one ssh session
[18:59] <drkshadow> is there a reason to have /etc/ansible not world-readable?
[19:00] <leftyfb> drkshadow: that would be an #ansible question
[19:00] <drkshadow> yeargh. wrong channel. :-)
[19:00] <drkshadow> so it is the proper place to complain about Ubuntu 18.04 network not working...
[19:00] <leftyfb> drkshadow: define "not working"
[19:01] <Bacteria> #not-working
[19:01] <leftyfb> drkshadow: networking works fine in Ubuntu 18.04
[19:01] <leftyfb> Bacteria: can we help you with something?
[19:01] <TBotNik> All: On Kubuntu 16.04 LTS. Been having problems with Network Manager, so ran apt-get remove network-manager and rebooted.  Course now that machine will not goto network, so what is the work around?  What do I need to download and copy to flash and then run install from flash? Is this in a HOWTO?
[19:01] <drkshadow> it has no sense of fallback configuration. When the network setup needs to be able to specify a particular IP address either before the machine has ever been configured, or between formats/installs, the MAC _has_ to be used as the DHCP ID
[19:02] <drkshadow> So consider machines with different brands of NICs. They get different names. So you have to match _all_ nics to specify that setup is dhcp-identifier: mac. But then you're specifying network configuration, so you _have_ to define the network configuration. Hope dhcp is good enough, else you're setting the same static IP on all your NICs.
[19:03] <drkshadow> Or suppose you need a NIC to have one IP and a different NIC to be DHCP. Well now you can't do fallbacks because that matches everything. So... you just have to write it for all nics, ever, or just... you can't. There isn't a way. Because there's no way to specify that the system send the MAC as the DHCP identifier by _default_ (because there are no defaults), networking is just broken.
[19:03] <blackflow> drkshadow: uhm... you specify the NIC in the network config, so I'm not sure I follow what you mean....
[19:03] <drkshadow> for many corporate uses, networking is just broken.
[19:03] <drkshadow> black: exactly. You specify the nic. There is no concept of fallbacks or defaults.
[19:03] <blackflow> drkshadow: fallbacks for what?
[19:03] <leftyfb> drkshadow: sorry, I don't follow. Can't you just specify the preferred client identifier in your dhcp server?
[19:04] <drkshadow> You can't specify one setting for a group of interfaces and then specific configurations. You specify each redundant setting for each NIC.
[19:04] <blackflow> drkshadow: you mean if one NIC doesn't get networking via dhcp, you try another (but not if it does)?
[19:04] <drkshadow> lefty: not that I'm aware of. Doesn't the client send whatever it feels its identifier is? I'm not aware of this being a two-way conversation.
[19:05] <leftyfb> drkshadow: https://www.isc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/dhcp43clientconf.html
[19:05] <drkshadow> black: try and configure a setting to match all NICs, specifying dhcp-identifier: mac. Now try and configure a nic with a static IP. It's incredibly difficult.
[19:05] <leftyfb> drkshadow: dhcp-client-identifier
[19:06] <drkshadow> lefty: I'm under the impression that systemd-networkd doesn't even use this.
[19:06] <blackflow> drkshadow: please use my full nickname if you want me highlighted and noticing your post.
[19:06] <drkshadow> Second, it does'nt allow you to specify the mac, only the identifier.
[19:06] <blackflow> drkshadow: so anyway, I'm failing to understnd the use case here. Are you talking about NIC redundancy, if one fails to obtain config, another picks up?
[19:07] <blackflow> also, doesn't bonding do what you're describing?
[19:07] <drkshadow> black: ALL the nics on the system should do DHCP requests with the mac address (not the damn DUID). Then, a third nic should have a static IP. Oops, that's breaking things -- you can't specify "all" and then say "but this specific one" -- you have to redefine all the settings for all the nics individually. Then, if you add a new one (USB?) that NIC doesn't have the settings, because they're no fallback/defaults.
[19:08] <drkshadow> The way it needs to happen is the lexiographic ordering of /etc/netplan/* files, but then you have to _hope_ you name them right, and the "10-netplan.cfg" will probably hit before your particular file
[19:08] <leftyfb> drkshadow: option dhcp-client-identifier, hardware
[19:08] <leftyfb> drkshadow: in dhcpd.config as part of isc-dhcp-server
[19:09] <drkshadow> lefty: that's not in the document that you posted, and the document you posted includes it only in the specific interface. Again you have to know all your interfaces in advance, and if you add a USB nic, well I hope you thought of that in advance.
[19:09] <drkshadow> But again -- this refers to dhclient.conf, which doesn't appear to be used by systemd-networkd.
[19:09] <leftyfb> drkshadow: please use full nicks to refer to people here
[19:09] <drkshadow> lefty: omfg
[19:09] <leftyfb> :/
[19:10] <noodleking> \close
[19:12] <blackflow> leftyfb: that time of day again. USA afternoon, the kids are home from school, bored.
[19:18] <Nexilva> blackflow: I modified the theme, and now when I shutdown, I see my new logo png file, but when I reboot, on startup, I still see the Buntu logo
[19:18] <Nexilva> blackflow: do I need to regenrate an initrd or something? If so, how do you do that?
[19:19] <blackflow> Nexilva: update-initramfs -u
[19:21] <Nexilva> I'm trying to find out the logo png's dimensions, I want to put some text inthere too, like Hello, Nexilva or something
[19:21] <Nexilva> I wonder where the max image dimensions are listed for plymouth logo images
[19:23] <Nexilva> I wonder if the plymouth theme script controls this
[19:24] <blackflow> Nexilva: did you check those links?
[19:24] <Nexilva> Yes
[19:24] <Nexilva> I did, but I'm looking for a theming guide, I didn't find much there
[19:24] <Nexilva> blackflow: oh, links are on bottom of page. I gotcha
[19:25] <blackflow> Nexilva: yes, the External resources, especially the first one.
[19:27] <Nexilva> 2nd is more I need, with themeing guide 3 part
[19:32] <Nexilva> oh
[19:32] <Nexilva> This is interesting.
[19:32] <Nexilva> logo.width = logo.image.GetWidth ();
[19:32] <Nexilva> same for height.
[19:32] <Nexilva> I suppose it can be a bit bigger. Interesting.
[19:32] <Nexilva> I'll make a new one and use plymouth --show-plash to test it
[19:32] <Nexilva> splash*
[19:33] <Nexilva> logo.y = Window.GetY () + Window.GetHeight () / 2 - logo.height;
[19:33] <Nexilva> Ahh, that center is.
[19:33] <dfch> so, im on 18.10 now, doing routine update and encounter issue with "libperl5.26:i386" package. Basically error occurs when dpkg unpacking with the message "trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libperl5.26/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libperl5.26:i386"
[19:33] <Nexilva> Reading the actual .script is more helpful, haha
[19:33] <Nexilva> Thanks bud.
[19:35] <dfch> am I the only one having the (mentioned above) issue here? basically thats all i want to know
[19:36] <hggdh> dfch: wrong channel, please try #ubuntu+1 for Cosmic
[19:36] <Bashing-om> dfch: 18.10 is not released and not supported in this channel .. report in the #ubuntu+1 channel :)
[19:36] <dfch> got it thanks hggdh Bashing-om
[19:52] <qwebirc45603> Hello! I am having a problem with dropped packets on our Ubuntu router, and I have narrowed it down to the upgrade from kernel version 4.4.0-128 to 4.4.0-130. I have a VM in a test environment with both kernels installed and it drops no packets on 128 but drops packets on 130. Has anyone seen something like this?
[19:54] <qwebirc45603> I am on Xenial 16.04
[20:04] <benergy_> Reinstalling Cinnamon and installing lightdm didn't help; the error still persists.
[20:07] <Bashing-om> benergy_: restate the issue to the channel .. several of us have joined recently and do not know the background .
[20:11] <qwebirc45603> Well, it looks like I'm going to try a git bisect and building kernels to find the commit that caused the problems. It's been years but should be fun.
[20:26] <jwojr> hhi
[20:28] <jwojr> -i
[20:51] <kase> hello
[20:51] <kase> when I edit grub in boot menu, how can I save it before proceeding?
[20:51] <kase> ctrl-x doesnt work
[20:54] <CustomerSupport> I've got a Django project using wsgi and Apache2.4 on a Vagrant box running Ubuntu; close to getting it working but the browser is showing 403 errors
[20:54] <CustomerSupport> apache2 error log saying "client denied by server configuration"
[20:54] <tomreyn> kase: i don't think you can actually save your edits in terms of making them permanent, you'll need to do this by editing /etc/default/grub once the system is up, followed by "sudo update-grub"
[20:55] <CustomerSupport> Every debugging article I'm seeing with apache/ubuntu/wsgi/django tells me to either chmod, chown, or update the vhost
[20:55] <CustomerSupport> like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16362462/flask-mod-wsgi-client-denied-by-server-configuration
[20:55] <Bashing-om> kase: Are you editing the file grub.cfg ? heed the advisory that the file will be overridden . One edits the file(s) that build grub.cfg . What is your goal here and we can provide better advise .
[20:55] <CustomerSupport> Already done that, but nothing doing :|
[20:59] <tundra-help> Afternoon everyone, I just installed ubuntu on a laptop and am having trouble getting the correct nvidia driver
[21:00] <tundra-help> I have an older mobile GPU (GeForce Go 7600) and seem to require the legacy driver (304.something)
[21:01] <ahi2> tundra-help: did you try settings>additional drivers ?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: Pastebin for us the result of terminal command ' sudo lshe -C display ' . We see from that the correct driver to be intalled . // 304 is no longer supported outside of our PPA .
[21:02] <Bashing-om> lshw -C **
[21:03] <tundra-help> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/z8tLNwks
[21:04] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: looking ^ . " Support for new Linux kernels and X servers, as well as fixes for critical bugs, will be included in 304.* legacy releases through the end of 2017." See: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[21:04] <Customer1upport> ls
[21:04] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I lock TTY1 when waking up the laptop? I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[21:06] <tundra-help> Bashing-om: Well, how would I go about installing this driver
[21:06] <benergy> Still no luck with my Ubuntu/Cinnamon problem. Changing the window manager doesn't prevent Cinnamon from crashing.
[21:07] <benergy> Sadly, unlike many other programs, I find Cinnamon very hard to debug - is it just me?
[21:07] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: What release do you have installd ? as our PPA has that driver up to 16.04 : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .
[21:08] <oerheks> GeForce Go 7600] .. works fine on the nouveau driver
[21:08] <oerheks> it won't be a youtube-race-monster
[21:08] <kase> tomreyn, Bashing-om, I was just trying to run the boot after editing the grub command line when it started. but ctrl-x or f10 didnt work. but it just turned out that pressing "enter" proceeds with boot, with changes accepted
[21:10] <Bashing-om> kase: News to me :) // I did expect that the key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process .
[21:10] <tomreyn> kase: glad you worked it out, indeed, there are both options. i never ran into a situation where ctrl-x would not work, so far. but we're all here to learn. ;-)
[21:10] <blackflow> probably exited the edit mode
[21:13] <tundra-help> Bashing-om: So, now that I have that ppa, how would I go about installing the driver? When I do "sudo apt install nvidia-304" I get this: https://pastebin.com/tQZjftKL
[21:13] <uebera||> With netplan (Ubuntu 18.04), are "nameservers:" settings ignored when using dhcp4/dhcp6? Shouldn't the "search:", "addresses:" entries put into /etc/resolv.conf? (Note: "renderer" is networkd, I've deactivated/masked NetworkManager.service)
[21:13] <ddoobb> How can Ihide the top bar and window titlebar when a window is maximised in 18.04?
[21:13] <ddoobb> How can Ihide the top bar and window titlebar when a window is maximised in 18.04?
[21:13] <ddoobb> Just look at the wasted space here... this is ridiculous. https://i.imgur.com/rgtszcl.png
[21:14] <uebera||> ddoobb: You asked that before and I answered: Press F11 for fullscreen.
[21:14] <jpleau> question: I have a custom iptables rules file in /etc. I'd like iptables-restore to load it before 'docker' starts. What would be the best way to do that?
[21:14] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: See the above that up to xenial .. no support for bionic with the 304 version driver :(
[21:15]  * tundra-help sighs
[21:15] <tundra-help> So there's no way of doing this then Bashing-om ?
[21:16] <ddoobb> uebera||: Sorry I missed that answer so asked again. That only applies to FIrefox right. Isn't there a way to hide the title bar like in XFCE?
[21:16] <blackflow> jpleau: use iptables-persistent package, or write your own service, schedule it before docker
[21:16] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: I faced a similar issue .. got a new generation low end nvidia card for 38 USD .
[21:17] <uebera||> ddoobb: F11 should apply to every application.
[21:17] <blackflow> ddoobb: that's not a standard theme. if you don't like it, don't use it. also what others said about F11
[21:17] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: nouvea is your only recourse as things stand now .
[21:17] <oerheks> tundra-help, it is an 12 year old gpu, GeForce Go 7600 .. be happy with the open nouveaudriver
[21:17] <kase> thank you for your help, bye everyone! :)
[21:17] <uebera||> ddoobb: Depending on your display manager, you can define rules regarding looks, position, etc regarding specific apps/windows (I use KDE, though)
[21:20] <ddoobb> Blackflow The theme doesn't change anything. The default still takes the same space. I'm running off the liveUSB.
[21:20] <blackflow> it doesn't though.
[21:20] <ddoobb> blackflow can you post a screenshot of how much it takes on your system?
[21:21] <ddoobb> uebera||: I looked at all settings gnome-tweaks has to offer and it's not there. Looks like GNOME is just less customisable than XFCE.
[21:21] <blackflow> ddoobb: google "ubuntu bionic firefox" and look at the screenshots
[21:22] <blackflow> ddoobb: it's looking like Unity was looking, much thinner than default upstream gnome
[21:24] <ddoobb> blackflow: it's really the same see https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wm0WDAahfsw/WlW9MmSwEkI/AAAAAAAAD4I/zxM6JgZI440g7hSZ5SXlBec-d9BuuBPrgCLcBGAs/s1600/Screenshot%2Bfrom%2B2018-01-10%2B12-41-44.png
[21:25] <tundra-help> Well, Bashing-om or oerheks , would either of you know how to get hardware video stream decoding to work with the nouveau driver?
[21:27] <ddoobb> Unity also had the option to combine the title bar and top bar on maximised windows. GNOME is really unelegant in this regard. Is there a way to hide the top bar completely?
[21:28] <blackflow> ddoobb: I don't know, but I miss that too in Gnome. Unity really knew how to save screen real estate.
[21:28] <Bashing-om> tundra-help: Looking to see what I can find .
[21:29] <oerheks> tundra-help, google-chrome could work, probably only fullscreen F11 .. again, it never will be a youtube racemonster
[21:29] <ddoobb> I found an extension that seems to do it: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/723/pixel-saver/
[21:29] <ddoobb> Will check it out later.
[21:39] <claymorehack> hi everyone
[21:43] <Sbur3> Where do I send a screenshot?  On startup of the desktop, I get a message that says that my printer/scanner is a USB drive  And I can't seem to get the scanner function to work
[21:44] <Bashing-om> !paste | Sbur3
[21:46] <Sbur3> https://imgur.com/a/StgHSsg
[21:49] <Sbur3> This imgur.com thing shows that during boot, my Brother MFC 6490 CW is shown as a USB drive.  The printer functions correctly.  But the scanner does not respond nor is it recognized
[21:50] <Sbur3> Any ideas as to how to fix the problem?
[22:00] <ahi2> Sbur: maybe the printer has an sdcard in it and is being shown as a drive
[22:29] <Bashing-om> !ping
[23:09] <jalt> keyserver.ubuntu.com is being very flaky and causing apt to fail. is there any simple workaround that doesn't require changing the keyserver every time i want to update, other than --allow-unauthenticated?
[23:11] <bendag> Hi, I have trouble with my built-in webcam, when I open cheese I have the message no device found. I tried a lot of things, nothing worked yet
[23:12] <oerheks> jalt, what package does that?
[23:13] <jalt> oerheks, not a package, but adding ppas (that have proper keys). i can even lookup the keys manually on the server via http, and they sometimes work, but it's flaky
[23:13] <jalt> as an example, libreoffice fresh (i will copy/paste, gimme a sec)
[23:13] <oerheks> so what pps's, and what mirror do you use? do you have an output of update?
[23:15] <oerheks> some mirrors don't update during summerholidays, like a university, so if 'main' gives these issues too, it is worth looking into
[23:16] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[23:17] <jalt> oerheks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sNnJFnknmW/
[23:18] <jalt> the problem is not the archive/mirrors, it's really the ubuntu keyserver
[23:18] <ahi2> bendag: is uvcvideo blacklisted?
[23:18] <jalt> and i am not the only one affected: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/11601 https://answers.ros.org/question/296729/problem-when-i-enter-the-key/
[23:18] <jalt> i just did the exact same update 20 min ago and worked fine
[23:19] <jalt> then about 10 min ago it gave the results i pasted
[23:19] <tomreyn> oerheks: the problem is the keyserver indeed, there's a known bug in the keyserver software ubuntu (and pretty much everyone else nowadays) uses which caused it to get flaky when long UID keys are synched to it.
[23:19] <jalt> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=0x1378B444&op=vindex
[23:19] <tomreyn> https://bitbucket.org/skskeyserver/sks-keyserver/issues/60/denial-of-service-via-large-uid-packets
[23:19] <jalt> manual lookup seems fine
[23:19] <jalt> ah, thanks for confirming tomreyn
[23:22] <jalt> is there documentation on apt about setting additional key servers and have then tried in round robin fashion, or at least some type of timed-retry (wait 10s and try again, then wait 30s, and if it still failing abort, etc)?
[23:22] <tomreyn> jalt: you can possibly work around it by specifying a different keyserver, but i'm not sure whether this can be made permanent (until the issue is fixed)
[23:22] <jalt> gpg --keyserver [name of keyserver] --recv-keys [keyhash] is the manual workaround, but it's annoying
[23:23] <jalt> oops wrong paste: apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv 2EE0EA64E40A89B84B2DF73499E82A75642AC823 (from the github i linked earliier)
[23:23] <tomreyn> right. "apt-key adv" also accepts custom gpg options, but this may not help either.
[23:24] <oerheks> oke, so the short fix is using keys.gnupg.net  manually ?
[23:24] <jalt> for my specific use case --allow-unauthenticated is ok, but if a better and equally simple workaround existed.....
[23:24] <tomreyn> i'd suggest using an sks-keyservers.net pool instead
[23:24] <tomreyn> but other than that, yes, that's probably the workaround. or try again later.
[23:24] <jalt> ^ sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://ha.pool.sks-keyservers.net:80 --recv-key 421C365BD9FF1F717815A3895523BAEEB01FA116
[23:25] <oerheks> is there a setting to use that one for standard?
[23:25]  * tomreyn does not know
[23:25] <oerheks> me too, and if that conflicts with updates and so on
[23:26] <tomreyn> i dont think it conflicts with updates
[23:26] <tomreyn> it should only be relevant when adding or removing repositories
[23:27] <jalt> once the ppa is verified (meaning the key has been cached) it should be ok, yeah
[23:27] <jalt> but if you are doing a fresh install it becomes annoying, especially if it's automated
[23:29] <tomreyn> jalt: are you sure about this? since most ubuntu keys should be shipped through an apt pakcage.
[23:29] <jalt> ppa keys ;)
[23:31] <tomreyn> hmm, actually myinformation there may be outdated.
[23:31] <tomreyn> !info ubuntu-keyring
[23:31] <abcdexyz4> hi, i'm having a problem: netfilter-persistent not restoring iptables rules at boot. I spent some time debugging the init file for netfilter-persistent service, and it seems that `sudo service netfilter-persistent start` command is being intercepted by /lib/lsb/init_functions, and the result is empty output. Any alias for `start`, such as `reload`, works perfectly. Where should I start digging?
[23:32] <tomreyn> okay this one has a  current verison, but not xenial
[23:32] <tomreyn> !info ubuntu-keyring xenial
[23:33] <tomreyn> jalt: apt-add-repository has a --keyserver option (no configuration file though, it seems). but i guess this can be good enough.
[23:36] <jalt> tomreyn: yeah, but since i expect this to be a temporary glitch i don't want to hardcode the --keyserver option on my deployment script, though that would certainly be a more robust workaround
[23:39] <oerheks> '.. one can set up key servers in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf, but those settings are not considered by Seahorse as it forces GnuPG to use the key server configured in seahorse instead
[23:39] <oerheks> :-(
[23:40] <jalt> tomreyn, oerheks: https://askubuntu.com/a/932370
[23:40] <jalt> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/ppa.py exists on my system at least, and sounds promising
[23:40] <oerheks> yes, the proxy fix, but not keyserver AFAIK..
[23:41] <jalt> no, inside it there is: DEFAULT_KEYSERVER = "hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80/"
[23:43] <jalt> In AddPPASigningKey:       self.keyserver = (keyserver if keyserver is not None
[23:43] <jalt>                           else DEFAULT_KEYSERVER)
[23:43] <jalt> so no round robin, but hey, it's a start
[23:45] <mtdms> im trying to find apt-get for swift programming language in my ubuntu , is there something?
[23:45] <mtdms> like that
[23:45] <mtdms> i cant install it with package i would like to install it easier
[23:45] <mtdms> swift
[23:48] <tomreyn> jalt: i don't seem to understand what you're suggesting to do / how to override the default keyserver unless with a command line option. you could surely place keyservers.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts, amipulating the resolver, but that's a rather dirty hack.
[23:49] <mtdms> when i cant install from packages , is there a way to install adding repositories? for then using apt?
[23:49] <jalt> tomreyn, i was just trying to find where was the default keyserver set, and if it would feasible to add others
[23:50] <tomreyn> oh ok
[23:50] <jalt> since it's not currently supported, a quick fix would be to simply replace the ppa.py with a patched version hardcoded for a keyserver pool. once sks gets fixed i can restore the original file.
[23:51] <guiver_d> mtdms: what Ubuntu are you using (https://gist.github.com/Azoy/8c47629fa160878cf359bf7380aaaaf9 covers 14.04 & 16.04)
[23:51] <mtdms> i founds this : https://dev.iachieved.it/iachievedit/introducing-swift-3-0/
[23:51] <mtdms> looks good :)
[23:51] <oerheks> compare some swift howto's ..
[23:52] <mtdms> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[23:52] <oerheks> anyway, it is programming, so you will read a lot more :-)
[23:52] <mtdms> is there always a way to add repositores?
[23:52] <mtdms> i mean when i cant install  a package, can i look for repositories and add to my ubuntu for then using apt-get?
[23:53] <oerheks> sure, if they are PPA repositories, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:<ppa_name>
[23:54] <guiver_d> mtdms: doing that autmatically (searching for a package that has what you want & auto-adding it) just screams will-break-system to me..   (apt) rules exist to protect from api/abi change damage
[23:54] <mtdms> do you mean it is unsafe?
[23:55] <mtdms> SO ITS NAMED PPA REPOSITORES? THEN I ADD THEM TO MY UBUNTU? i didnt know about it
[23:55] <guiver_d> potential for damage (usually in the future, or if you don't do your homework before adding.. my comment was mainly for automatic add repo [ie. no homework])
[23:55] <mtdms> i see
[23:55] <mtdms> thanks a lot
[23:56] <mtdms> i didnt know about it
[23:56] <mtdms> so i can look for them , they are names ppa, but i need to be carefull, then i add them and then when i use apt-get, they will appear in my ubuntu?  i got it?
[23:58] <zhdncpq> any thought about why iptables-persistent might fail to persist iptables rules at boot time? I have a strong suspicion it might be because /lib/lsb/init-functions is doing something weird when getting 'start' command, but maybe someone has other ideas?
[23:58] <tomreyn> mtdms: that's roughly correct.
[23:58] <tomreyn> !ppa | mtdms
[23:58] <mtdms> THANKS A LOT
[23:59] <mtdms> i learned something new today :)
[23:59] <Sean_McG> anyone here good at writing udev rules? is this a good place to ask or is there a better channel on freenode?
[23:59] <zhdncpq> init script for iptables-persistent service is basically a switch, which selects based on command in $1. but first it runs `. /lib/lsb/init-functions`. when I run `service iptables-persistent start` it just quietly exits without any output. when I run `service iptables-persistent reload` (which is actually a synonym and included in the same switch branch), it works as it should. what's going on here?