[00:01] <sean__> this torrent client is pretty great
[10:57] <DranikProgrammer> Hi. I've noticed a very strange behavior. KDE is running way slower than usual, I notice slow window rendering. Advanced task switchers like "Cover Switch" doesn't work. Window Presenter for Screen Edges doesn't work either. Every thing feels very unstable. Any options?
[10:57] <DranikProgrammer> It worked well before, until it hang whilst I used the Task Switcher and I had to reboot the PC
[10:59] <Tm_T> DranikProgrammer: doublecheck which renderer you use
[11:01] <DranikProgrammer> OGL2
[11:02] <DranikProgrammer> I tried OGL 3 once, but it did not work well, so I stick with OGL 2
[11:02] <DranikProgrammer> Wow... I switched to OGL3 and everything works good
[11:03] <DranikProgrammer> though I thought I had OGL2 the whole time
[11:04] <DranikProgrammer> Thanks ;) If im gonna notice some issues I'll come back
[11:22] <batteronizer> Hi, whenever I add an event to my Korganizer with my local timezone selected, after saving it changes the time shown to UTC, and shows the event at the displayed UTC time in my local timezone calendar.
[11:24] <batteronizer> And I'm UTC+5:30, but the UTC time it calculates is somehow always ahead of my local time. E.g. I'll add an event starting at 6 pm IST, Korganizer will change it to 9:30 UTC and show the event at 9:30 in my IST calendar.
[11:24] <zxq9> Do you have your local or UTC time set for system display?
[11:24] <batteronizer> Local
[11:24] <zxq9> Or maybe your system clock is being set to local, and the UTC calculation is therefore off by mistake.
[11:25] <zxq9> I used to have weird things like that happen with Windows dual-installs.
[11:25] <batteronizer> zxq9: That is one thing I suspect. I too have a Windows dual install.
[11:25] <zxq9> IIRC, the hardware clock is expected to be set to UTC, and *nix systems always run an offset.
[11:25] <zxq9> Some versions of Windows expect a local time setting on the hardware, and that trips things up.
[11:26] <zxq9> I think with UEFI you can define it and Windows 7 or 10 should know the difference.
[11:26] <batteronizer> Ah strange. Where usually do you set the system clock?
[11:26] <batteronizer> Ah alright
[11:27] <zxq9> Most of the time it is already set in the UEFI/BIOS on the motherboard. I'd check that to confirm. It should have an option to select your timezone, and THEN be set to local time, meaning the underlying hardware clock should have UTC.
[11:27] <zxq9> If your motherboard says "UTC" as its timezone but has local time set, things get weird.
[11:28] <batteronizer> zxq9: Gotcha, battery could be another suspect then I suppose
[11:28] <batteronizer> Anyway I'll check in a while. Thanks.
[11:28] <zxq9> Possibly. Your Linux install should be calling to NTP servers to sync the correct time and do things like correcting for leap seconds.
[11:29] <batteronizer> zxq9: Yeah, it does show my local time very accurate
[11:29] <zxq9> Over time it should always drift toward being correct, but if the motherboard is interpreting it incorrectly because of a hardware setting then you'll always be off by some fixed (and usually surprising) amount.
[11:30] <batteronizer> Yeah, normally my clock does show accurate local time it gets through NTP.
[11:31] <zxq9> Try this in a shell: `date --utc +%Y%m%d_%H%MZ`
[11:31] <zxq9> And then compare with `date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%Z`
[11:32] <batteronizer> zxq9: 20180712_1132Z
[11:32] <zxq9> Common bash timestamps for reference: https://zxq9.com/archives/795
[11:33] <batteronizer> zxq9: The outputs seem to be consistent
[11:33] <zxq9> ok
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:35] <zxq9> batteronizer: What does timedatectl show?
[11:35] <zxq9> Hi, BluesKaj
[11:35] <BluesKaj> hi zxq9
[11:36] <batteronizer> zxq9: https://pastebin.com/6xuuxwrf
[11:42] <zxq9> batteronizer: Try checking in the KDE settings application. There is a regionalization thing there. Inside it are timezone and display options that your Korganizer should be inheriting.
[11:45] <zxq9> Inside Korganizer -> settings there is a date&time option on the menu which seems to actually invoke the KDE settings screen.
[11:46] <batteronizer> zxq9: Yeah I tried that before but still checked again and discovered something weird. My timezone was set to "Calcutta". On a whim I searched for India and it showed up another timezone called Asia/Kolkatta.
[11:46] <zxq9> In addition, in Korganizer -> settings -> settings (or maybe "options" in English, not sure about language; the very bottom one on the menu) there are some time display options as well.
[11:46] <batteronizer> (Kolkatta btw is the new name for Calcutta)
[11:46] <zxq9> Ah.
[11:46] <zxq9> That's... interesting.
[11:46] <batteronizer> And now it shows the event at the right time location in my calendar.
[11:46] <zxq9> hah!
[11:47] <zxq9> So maybe it couldn't find the spelling in the new TZ index in /etc/ ?
[11:47] <batteronizer> But when I double click on the event to see details, it shows the correct local time, but shows the time zone to be UTC
[11:47] <zxq9> derp
[11:47] <zxq9> That's odd.
[11:47] <batteronizer> "couldn't find the spelling" no idea
[11:47] <batteronizer> Yeah, works for now. But definitely a bug somewhere.
[11:47] <zxq9> Hm. That is frustrating.
[11:48] <zxq9> Does India only have one timezone, or several?
[11:48] <zxq9> It's a big place, but that doesn't always mean anything officially.
[11:48] <batteronizer> Just the one - UTC+5:30
[11:48] <zxq9> And of course it just has to be an off-by-30 TZ, right? Perfectly inconvenient for you.
[11:48] <batteronizer> Hah yeah
[11:49] <zxq9> Governments. Well, whatever. The computer should figure out how to compensate without driving you nuts.
[11:49] <batteronizer> People from countries which don't have that half an hour in their timezones are always perplexed by that.
[11:49] <batteronizer> Yeah, true hehe
[11:50] <zxq9> I imagine you can either 1- find someone who has had this issue and fixed it (amongst the zillions of Linux users in India) or 2- step through settings from the motherboard on up and incidentally fix it through careful checking.
[11:50] <zxq9> Both are annoying, though.
[11:50] <batteronizer> Yup, I'll try option number two first. It's a confusing enough issue to explain, especially now that it is mostly fixed.
[11:50] <zxq9> Are you using any externally configured accounts, like syncing with Google calendar or whatever?
[11:51] <batteronizer> Yes, Google
[11:51] <zxq9> Ah!
[11:52] <zxq9> Hrm. Some mentions of google sync with odd timezone changes to input, but nothing quite like your problem yet...
[11:53] <zxq9> You are on KDE 5, right?
[11:53] <batteronizer> Yup KDE5
[11:53] <batteronizer> Kubuntu 18.04
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Newfoundland is on a half hour timezone...never understood that , why bother with 30mins just go with the whole 60. Much easier for everyone.
[11:55] <zxq9> batteronizer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373988
[11:56] <batteronizer> Ah cool
[11:56] <zxq9> I imagine that if you were not integrated with Google you wouldn't have any issue, but there is some import/export weirdness here.
[11:57] <zxq9> Hence it being somewhat of an edge case overall for Korganizer.
[11:57] <zxq9> Were I willing to mess with C++ any more these days...
[11:59] <batteronizer> Well, it bothers me less now because other people are affected too :-)
[11:59] <zxq9> Isn't that weird?
[11:59] <batteronizer> BluesKaj: I couldn't agree more
[11:59] <zxq9> I think there is/used-to-be an off-by-15 TZ
[12:00] <batteronizer> zxq9: It really is weird
[12:02] <zxq9> This site has a lot of fun stuff in its encylopedia: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html
[12:03] <zxq9> Though I mostly go there to check meeting times because I usually work remotely (Erlang development and geopolitical analysts mostly -- not on the same contracts, of course)
[12:03] <zxq9> Working domestically here is easy, because we only have one timezone. :-)
[12:04] <batteronizer> Haha
[12:04] <batteronizer> DST is another strange creation btw
[12:04] <zxq9> Nice, Nepal time. https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/npt
[12:04] <batteronizer> Which tz are you in?
[12:04] <zxq9> That's why I remember it! I taught at the mountain warfare school there ages ago.
[12:05] <zxq9> Japan standard time, +9
[12:05] <batteronizer> whoa, cool :-)
[12:05] <zxq9> Actually, I attended an infantry counter-insurgency course in India (in the middle of nowhere, a place called Silchar) a long time ago too.
[12:05] <zxq9> Like 12 years ago.
[12:06] <batteronizer> We of course know Silchar :-D
[12:06] <batteronizer> Sadly, I myself have never been there or Nepal
[12:06] <zxq9> Haha. Getting there with internationally purchased air tickets is hard.
[12:07] <zxq9> Nepal was interesting. So is Afghanistan, for that matter. Fascinating part of the world. Not what anyone expects when they first arrive, no matter what they have read before.
[12:08] <zxq9> India is in the same category, for that matter. It is almost hard to call it "one country" as the culture (and terrain) is so different every different region.
[12:08] <zxq9> The US, too.
[12:08] <batteronizer> Yup, I agree
[12:09] <zxq9> Anyway, I've grown to enjoy seeing regional differences and digging through local histories as I've gotten older.
[12:09] <batteronizer> I've only been to Korea outside India.
[12:09] <zxq9> That's a place with an interesting (but rough) history, isn't it. :-)
[12:09] <batteronizer> They're mostly homogenous given the small size, but even their you see some diversity.
[12:09] <batteronizer> *even there
[12:09] <batteronizer> zxq9: haha yes
[12:09] <zxq9> Yeah, but it is the meaningful kind of diversity: diversity of view, experience, predisposition, etc. Not just the outward traits people obssess over today.
[12:10] <batteronizer> Yes, exactly
[12:10] <zxq9> Like is it really "diverse" to have a green, a purple and a red who all have the exact same degree, subscribe to the same politics, and grew up in the same town?
[12:11] <zxq9> They all have the same answers to the same questions. That's boring, no matter what they look like or which restroom they use. Such petty obsessions.
[12:11] <zxq9> Anyway, that's a dangerous conversation these days, so I'll stop now.
[12:12] <batteronizer> haha, well there is another thing you might have observed from travelling. Whichever country you go to, the common people have mostly the same small talk.
[12:12] <zxq9> And now I'm wondering if it is "obssession" or "obsession". Because English spelling makes my brain hurt.
[12:12] <zxq9> That is... hm. Somewhat true, actually.
[12:12] <zxq9> The only difficult being identifying "common" in a uniform way. But the general idea applies for sure.
[12:13] <zxq9> Ah, "obsession"...
[12:13] <zxq9> grrrr.
[12:13] <batteronizer> Well, e.g. older folk will always complain about their kids moving away and the cultural changes in their country.
[12:14] <zxq9> ^^
[12:14] <zxq9> Spot on
[12:14] <zxq9> And they aren't wrong, really.
[12:14] <zxq9> I mean, culture is the socially preserved echoes of whatever has worked and survived. Throwing that away on a whim seems a bit scary, considering how precarious life actually is.
[12:15] <batteronizer> Yeah, change is generally stressful for everyone :-)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> well, in some cases it's a relief for us older folks when the kids become responsible and live where their work takes them
[12:25]  * BluesKaj is old
[12:27] <batteronizer> hah
[16:57] <[Relic]> what's the next LTS?
[17:44] <mparillo> !LTS
[17:45] <mparillo> [Relic]: OK, so that was not very helpful. Generally every other year. So, 16.04; 18.04, then to continue the pattern would be 20.04
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[17:47] <mparillo> !es
[17:58] <[Relic]> so I should put 18.04 on the other one before the 14.04 is over  :)
[17:58] <[Relic]> Thanks  :)
[18:53] <menace> is there in kubuntu 18.04 a problem that plasma crashes after first boot after installation?
[18:55] <menace> i started and after a few clicks in the notification area, plasma crashed.
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> Is there a built-in screen recording facility in KDE?
[21:49] <bane5000> Hey guys... my widgets suddenly disappeared on my second monitor. The strange thing is that when I open the widget manager, they still display the 'check mark' as if they are still on the screen O_o
[21:52] <diogenes_> bane5000, and if you untick them and tick again?
[21:52] <bane5000> diogenes_: well what's weird is that i'm unable to do so. If i try to 'untick it' it just shows that I have two of those widgets instead of 1
[23:54] <jrss> I need help troubleshooting an issue. not sure what it is.
[23:55] <jrss> So, the problem is, seems like my entire screen "box" has shifted down a bit. The panel is a bit cut off. The date, for example, is half numbers.
[23:55] <jrss> In addition, I lost desktop transition animations.
[23:55] <jrss> I don't get errors on startup. But I do have dual boot, and it started after the most recent dual boot.
[23:56] <jrss> On top of that (might be not related),  games I try to run full screen from steam (for linux) do not render. The game launches in the background, I see it in the panel, it takes RAM and the mouse curosr changes, but no video input at all
[23:56] <jrss> any help wit that? advice?