| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @mateosalta, Thought of that, but seems off to have it if there are multiple apps. | 02:09 |
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| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Lyokanthrope, Not sure how that works exactly, but interesting. | 02:11 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @padraic7a, Seems like it may be as much work as building the app itself to do something like that, though | 02:12 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @xylobol, It is at least not a supported method of install | 02:13 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, User can pay for the app or download it for free | 02:17 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> If they download it for free, they don't get automatic updates | 02:17 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, I meant their implementation | 02:17 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> They have to instead enter free for every update | 02:18 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Stripe. | 02:18 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> So elementary gets paid and then they pay devs? | 02:19 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> It doesn't have any user tracking, though. Dumb in that regard. | 02:19 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> https://developer.elementary.io/ | 02:20 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> 70/30 split, developer/elementary | 02:20 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Ah. Yeah, no likey | 02:21 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> The split? | 02:21 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Platform's gotta make money somehow | 02:21 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Could be better, but I mean the legal issues | 02:21 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah. They've got a company with lawyers and things | 02:22 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> More directly you can ask for users to hit your PayPal.me link after so many startups | 02:23 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> That's what Lollypop did today so I pinged the developer a chunk of euro. | 02:23 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Anyone having boot problem after installing 16.04rc | 02:23 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> That is not helpful at allm | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] That is not helpful at all. | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> What is happening and what did you do? | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Well sure. But prefer something less baggy and more reliable | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Baggy? | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Reliable? | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Naggy | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Stupid phony | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Phone | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Even with a store-enforced pay what you want system you'll have a low hit rate | 02:24 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Last they shared, Elementary users are supporting developers enough for them to take their SOs out to dinner once o'er month or so. | 02:25 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Sure, and that's a one time thing. Looking for something with more continuance | 02:25 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> O'er? Really phone? | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Nag screen is about it | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Or a service with a subscription model | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Any one answer my question | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Answer mine | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Hammerhead | 02:27 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> To continue accessing your accounts with 2fa, please pay up now. | 02:27 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> ;) | 02:27 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @John_athan, You've been told multiple times what information we need to help you. And no, no one has said anything about issues on the nexus 5. Maybe try reinstalling with a wipe | 02:27 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 02:28 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> The UITK has things for popovers that stay out of the way, doesn't it? | 02:28 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> It worked for Capone at least | 02:28 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Unfortunately you need to be naggy. Not WinRAR naggy, but naggy. | 02:30 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Three options. "Take me there," "Remind me later," "Never show again" | 02:30 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/pI6yWaNC.png | 02:31 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> DAVDroid removed the "Never show again" thing | 02:31 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Sure | 02:31 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> That's the long and short of it. I don't think we'll find another way. | 02:32 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Yeah. :( | 02:32 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Could put a Monero miner in it | 02:32 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> With life cycling you'll make one coin per eternity | 02:33 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> And probably cause injuries to people | 02:34 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Eh, if I wanted to be evil, I'd go all in | 02:34 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Break lifecycling, | 02:34 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] Break lifecycling? | 02:34 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Just take the money. | 02:35 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> That'd do | 02:35 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Anyway, I'd just nag people | 02:35 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> If they get uppity, tell them they can hire you full time and you'll remove the nagscreen | 02:36 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I see no problem. Software should be paid for. | 02:37 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> If you make a donation, does the pop up go? | 03:39 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> @John_athan, Yes but only after 467 and 470 on dev channel. Would not restart on its own. | 04:20 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> Restarted it manually. Has been fine since. Put post on forum but no one else seemed to have an issue. | 04:21 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> @Lakotaubp, My prob is won't boot after installation | 04:27 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> @John_athan, Stuck in Google logo | 04:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> Yes restarted it myself holding power button. Check the update number to see it matches the two I've mentioned. | 04:36 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> As a check. Then swop to dev Chanel update and all should be OK. | 04:37 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> Yours won't start at all? | 04:41 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Yes no installation process in phone(time zone, phone name, etc) | 04:43 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> Then i would reflash it as I think Dalton said. Just updated today and all fine. | 04:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> have you tried holding the power button down for 20-30 secs. It shouls switch off and restart if not reinstall sorry thats all I have. | 05:06 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> I tried reflash , after so many failures I reverted back to 15.04 stable | 05:08 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Hey is there ubports installer for Pac-man archlinux | 05:09 |
| ubptgbot | <Lakotaubp> https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/latest have a look here for what is available | 05:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Lyokanthrope> @John_athan, the appimage should work | 05:30 |
| ubptgbot | <padraic7a> @dohbee, Yeah I can see that. | 06:04 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> I just want to say, that between may and now, 16.04 has become much, much more stable. I dont see any of the issues I had in may, even on devel | 07:10 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Why is the consensus that plasma mob is the only ongoing Linux disorderly for phone that has momentum? | 07:11 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Lil, distro* | 07:11 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> I'm drivving if there was any doubt t at this point | 07:12 |
| ubptgbot | <ar7ch> @Gregory, click on message -> edit | 07:50 |
| ubptgbot | <zubozrout> @ar7ch You can't do that on Ubuntu Touch afaik | 07:53 |
| ubptgbot | orion2horizon was added by: orion2horizon | 08:07 |
| ubptgbot | <j2g2rp> @UniversalSuperBox, about you were arguing maybe it would be good to make some kind of biddings for some feature requests🤔 … I don't know if it would be easy 😅 | 08:09 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> I like Jade diamond, browser next looks very outdated to me | 08:09 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @Gregory, I dont know who has this opinion, but we see ourselves as the only stuff you can use as daily ;) | 08:16 |
| ubptgbot | <Lyokanthrope> @Flohack, I mean, there is Sailfish too | 08:18 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> yes it is | 08:44 |
| ubptgbot | <ar7ch> @Flohack, No doubt you are. Plasma Mobile is in stagnation, Sailfish is... well, they are on their own, I don't like how they get things done | 08:57 |
| ubptgbot | <Xray2000> @ar7ch, I was a Sailfish user before i moved to UT, yes indeed the community is verry wierd on doing stuff and also not as frendly as UT people... | 09:02 |
| ubptgbot | <John_athan> Not able to access Flipkart.com it redirects me to windows app store pls help | 10:35 |
| ubptgbot | <advocatux> To fix an issue, developers need data. Please file a proper bug report in the pertinent bug tracker | 10:38 |
| ubptgbot | <popescu_sorin> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mir-0-32-1-release-candidate/6966 | 11:37 |
| ubptgbot | <zack123> Is Ubuntu Touch compatible with Meizu Pro MX4 Pro or on Meizu Pro MX4 only? | 11:57 |
| ubptgbot | <nfsprodriver> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/AUc01j7G.txt | 11:58 |
| ubptgbot | <JBBgameich> @ar7ch, Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are reworked or even initially written. | 12:12 |
| ubptgbot | <JBBgameich> @ar7ch, [Edit] Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written. | 12:12 |
| ubptgbot | Dot_Hack was added by: Dot_Hack | 13:22 |
| ubptgbot | <berchio> Does xenial use Mir? | 13:53 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @berchio, Yes | 14:03 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> @UniversalSuperBox, perhaps | 14:09 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> According to my judgment, there should be no problem. | 14:22 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> move to zhcn | 14:22 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @njlyf2011, I dont want to move to China, I will never learn this language 😆 | 14:23 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> ... | 14:23 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> i am replying Dalton ... | 14:23 |
| ubptgbot | <njlyf2011> Question about translating files | 14:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Flohack, it's not that hard! | 14:41 |
| ubptgbot | <berchio> @UniversalSuperBox, So what is the plan in the long run? | 14:54 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @berchio, What do you mean? Mir is not dead. | 14:55 |
| ubptgbot | <berchio> Ah I thought it was | 14:56 |
| ubptgbot | <berchio> it became a wayland compositor, nice | 14:56 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> making unity8 not use mir directly basically amounts to "rewrite everything" which is not a terribly amiable goal to keep things active and moving | 15:01 |
| ubptgbot | <jegrabbit> Anyone know if its possible to use the nexus 5 image on the 5x or port it some other way? | 15:51 |
| ubptgbot | <advocatux> @jegrabbit, You can't use the UT port for Nexus 5 on the Nexus 5x. Some people are trying to port UT to Nexus 5x but they're finding some weird bugs | 15:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Gorsh2> Despite the name, they're quite different under the hood | 15:53 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Well, made a liberapay link and added it to the authenticator app in the store. At least it was super easy to set up, unlike patreon. | 16:57 |
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| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> Anyone have a good suggestion on a portable bluetooth keyboard to get for ubports? I had a much older Mac Keyboard but it appears like doesn't want to work with 16.04 (I'm guess because it's a Mac keyboard) | 18:10 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> if it's bluetooth it should work, depending on what version of bt your phone supports and what version the keyboard uses | 18:11 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Nexus 5, as for the keyboard that didn't work. Apple A1314 | 18:14 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @njlyf2011, @UniversalSuperBox in case its relevant :3 | 18:23 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @AlexanderPlaza, but what version bluetootH? 1,2,3,4 or 5? | 18:24 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @Fuseteam, Checking the manuel for the keyboard | 18:28 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @Fuseteam, [Edit] Checking the manual for the keyboard | 18:28 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> Well can't find it but the phone says it supports 4.0 A2DP bluetooth | 18:31 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> A2DP is for audio | 18:31 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Yup, but 4.0 bluetooth should be able to handle most things for sure. | 18:32 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, well, except for things that are > 4.0 | 18:33 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, That's a given. | 18:34 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> ```The Linux kernel supports Apple Wireless Keyboards via the hid-apple module, which is present in 2.6.x+ kernels.``` | 18:36 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> i doubt hid-apple is included on the phones, so that might be preventing it from working | 18:36 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Mmm I wish I knew how to check that | 18:37 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, grep for `HID_APPLE` in the kernel config? | 18:39 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> Would that be UbPorts or baked into the hardware? | 18:39 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it'd be the kernel | 18:39 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it would definitely be nice if we could get a lot more stuff built as modules and runtime loadable by udev | 18:40 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, I doubt it's on there. I did a lsmod and all I get is bcmdhd | 18:42 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, yeah, most of the drivers are not built as modules, but built into the kernel itself | 18:42 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Are we able to update Kernels on phones or not as much? | 18:43 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> but i doubt it's enabled, as a lot of stuff is disabled | 18:43 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, we can change the kernel config, but not necessarily ship newer kernel versions | 18:43 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Unfortunately handling of modules was never exactly fixed by Canonical | 18:44 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I have an idea but it's a PITA | 18:44 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> yep. hence the "would be nice" :) | 18:44 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> othwerise i'm sure we'd be doing it already | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> @UniversalSuperBox, Ah it's in a half baked state. | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> That's frustrating indeed. | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, nah. more like "Google didn't intend for any of this" | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> embedded devices tend to have very limited driver support, because they tend to have very limited resources. phones are an extension of that. | 18:46 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, They did actually | 18:46 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Modules can be built and included in an Android system.img | 18:47 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> and android wasn't designed to be run inside a container with a normal linux distro on top | 18:47 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> However, the support to mount those into the Ubuntu Touch root isn't right. | 18:47 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, i meant in the broader sense. i know it can have modules | 18:47 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's there, but Android doesn't put modules into the `uname -r ` namespace. | 18:48 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> So modules just end up at the root of `/lib/modules ` or whatever and modprobe doesn't know what to do | 18:48 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> how to conquer the world with ubuntu touch: buy flash and sell uphones 😆 | 18:56 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> oh my that interesting drives can loadable module | 18:57 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] oh my that's interesting drives can loadable module | 18:57 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] oh my that's interesting drives can loadable modules | 18:57 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> so teaching modprobe what to do is a pita 😂 | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Fuseteam, port to galaxy note 7 and send them to all the world leaders? :P | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> hey now there's an idea 😆 | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @Fuseteam, No, teaching the initramfs what to do is the problem | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I have to do it with halium-boot, so it'll be done | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> ahh interesting | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> noice good luck :3 | 18:59 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> So since I am new to the world of Android (don't throw those rotten apples my way please) and doing some googling, there are custom Kernels people have made for at least the Nexus 5. Does Ubports install a custom kernel or just uses the stock so not to complicate more an already spaghetti code mess? | 19:01 |
| ubptgbot | <AlexanderPlaza> [Edit] So since I am new to the world of Android (don't throw those rotten apples my way please) and doing some googling, there are custom Kernels people have made for at least the Nexus 5. Does Ubports install a custom kernel or just uses the stock so not to complicate more an already spaghetti code mess? … (Example Elementa | 19:02 |
| ubptgbot | lx) | 19:02 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, well, it's the "stock" one in that we start from the stock config, but we make some changes to it, which are necessary for UT | 19:07 |
| ubptgbot | Eelie_50 was added by: Eelie_50 | 20:33 |
| ubptgbot | <advocatux> @Eelie_50, Hi Pietro, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed 👍 | 21:24 |
| ubptgbot | Joe Shapiro was added by: Joe Shapiro | 21:27 |
| ubptgbot | AbdelmalekHAMZA was added by: AbdelmalekHAMZA | 21:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Bolly> Welcome Joe & @AbdelmalekHAMZA !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available. | 21:37 |
| ubptgbot | Germán Martínez was added by: Germán Martínez | 22:36 |
| ubptgbot | <Germán Martínez> wich mobile is better for plasma mobile? | 22:36 |
| ubptgbot | <Lyokanthrope> @Germán Martínez, Try @plasmamobile | 22:37 |
| ubptgbot | <Germán Martínez> @Lyokanthrope, thks | 22:38 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Liberapay donors to UBports, interruption of services is imminent. This is important for you: https://medium.com/liberapay-blog/liberapay-is-in-trouble-b58b40714d82 | 23:09 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Oh and this is another case of @dohbee ruining everything. :P | 23:10 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Plasma mobile pregrts nexus 5 whoever asked | 23:17 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> And right above that, someone said that more people are working on plasma mobile than UT...either Josef Goebbels rose from the deaf to do more propaganda work, or the genuine sentiment I expressed yesterday, that PM is the only horse one should bet on at this point, does exist. A software engineer myself, UT doco and con fig mg mt | 23:22 |
| ubptgbot | along with actual progress puts most DOD contractors I work with to shame | 23:22 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Dead | 23:23 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, I wish. If I owned a payment processor, I'd not need donations, or a job. :P | 23:46 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Gregory, Pretty sure nobody said that, and beyond that I have no idea what you said. | 23:49 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written. | 23:54 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Said by...(using UT telegram.) | 23:55 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> Fwd from JBBgameich: Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written. | 23:55 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> I've seen other web sites say this as well | 23:56 |
| ubptgbot | <Gregory> I don't understand that perspective | 23:57 |
| ubptgbot | <JoeFilmmaker> Hi Folks. I’m wanting to run UBports (or another FOSS OS) as my daily driver on a device with a Really Good Camera (both stills and video). I see the current ports are for three year old devices. Is my quest hopeless? I really don’t want to keep supporting Apple and Google. Especially since their devices are buggy and they won’ | 23:59 |
| ubptgbot | t respond or let me fix the bugs. | 23:59 |
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