ubptgbot<dohbee> @mateosalta, Thought of that, but seems off to have it if there are multiple apps.02:09
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Lyokanthrope, Not sure how that works exactly, but interesting.02:11
ubptgbot<dohbee> @padraic7a, Seems like it may be as much work as building the app itself to do something like that, though02:12
ubptgbot<dohbee> @xylobol, It is at least not a supported method of install02:13
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, User can pay for the app or download it for free02:17
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> If they download it for free, they don't get automatic updates02:17
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, I meant their implementation02:17
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> They have to instead enter free for every update02:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Stripe.02:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> So elementary gets paid and then they pay devs?02:19
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It doesn't have any user tracking, though. Dumb in that regard.02:19
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> https://developer.elementary.io/02:20
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> 70/30 split, developer/elementary02:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> Ah. Yeah, no likey02:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> The split?02:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Platform's gotta make money somehow02:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> Could be better, but I mean the legal issues02:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yeah. They've got a company with lawyers and things02:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> More directly you can ask for users to hit your PayPal.me link after so many startups02:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That's what Lollypop did today so I pinged the developer a chunk of euro.02:23
ubptgbot<John_athan> Anyone having boot problem after installing 16.04rc02:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That is not helpful at allm02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] That is not helpful at all.02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> What is happening and what did you do?02:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> Well sure. But prefer something less baggy and more reliable02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Baggy?02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Reliable?02:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> Naggy02:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> Stupid phony02:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> Phone02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Even with a store-enforced pay what you want system you'll have a low hit rate02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Last they shared, Elementary users are supporting developers enough for them to take their SOs out to dinner once o'er month or so.02:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> Sure, and that's a one time thing. Looking for something with more continuance02:25
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> O'er? Really phone?02:26
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Nag screen is about it02:26
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Or a service with a subscription model02:26
ubptgbot<John_athan> Any one answer my question02:26
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Answer mine02:26
ubptgbot<John_athan> Hammerhead02:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> To continue accessing your accounts with 2fa, please pay up now.02:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> ;)02:27
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @John_athan, You've been told multiple times what information we need to help you. And no, no one has said anything about issues on the nexus 5. Maybe try reinstalling with a wipe02:27
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯02:28
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> The UITK has things for popovers that stay out of the way, doesn't it?02:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> It worked for Capone at least02:28
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Unfortunately you need to be naggy. Not WinRAR naggy, but naggy.02:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Three options. "Take me there," "Remind me later," "Never show again"02:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/pI6yWaNC.png02:31
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> DAVDroid removed the "Never show again" thing02:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> Sure02:31
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That's the long and short of it. I don't think we'll find another way.02:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> Yeah. :(02:32
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Could put a Monero miner in it02:32
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> With life cycling you'll make one coin per eternity02:33
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> And probably cause injuries to people02:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> Eh, if I wanted to be evil, I'd go all in02:34
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Break lifecycling,02:34
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] Break lifecycling?02:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> Just take the money.02:35
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That'd do02:35
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Anyway, I'd just nag people02:35
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> If they get uppity, tell them they can hire you full time and you'll remove the nagscreen02:36
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I see no problem. Software should be paid for.02:37
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> If you make a donation, does the pop up go?03:39
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> @John_athan, Yes but only after 467 and 470 on dev channel. Would not restart on its own.04:20
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> Restarted it manually. Has been fine since. Put post on forum but no one else seemed to have an issue.04:21
ubptgbot<John_athan> @Lakotaubp, My prob is won't boot after installation04:27
ubptgbot<John_athan> @John_athan, Stuck in Google logo04:28
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> Yes restarted it myself holding power button. Check the update number to see it matches the two I've mentioned.04:36
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> As a check. Then swop to dev Chanel update and all should be OK.04:37
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> Yours won't start at all?04:41
ubptgbot<John_athan> Yes no installation process in phone(time zone, phone name, etc)04:43
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> Then i would reflash it as I think Dalton said. Just updated today and all fine.04:47
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> have you tried holding the power button down for 20-30 secs. It shouls switch off and restart if not  reinstall sorry thats all I have.05:06
ubptgbot<John_athan> I tried reflash , after so many failures I reverted back to 15.04 stable05:08
ubptgbot<John_athan> Hey is there ubports installer for Pac-man archlinux05:09
ubptgbot<Lakotaubp> https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/latest have a look here for what is available05:28
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @John_athan, the appimage should work05:30
ubptgbot<padraic7a> @dohbee, Yeah I can see that.06:04
ubptgbot<Gregory> I just want to say, that between may and now, 16.04 has become much, much more stable.  I dont see any of the issues I had in may, even on devel07:10
ubptgbot<Gregory> Why is the consensus that plasma mob is the only ongoing Linux disorderly for phone that has momentum?07:11
ubptgbot<Gregory> Lil, distro*07:11
ubptgbot<Gregory> I'm drivving if there was any doubt t at this point07:12
ubptgbot<ar7ch> @Gregory, click on message -> edit07:50
ubptgbot<zubozrout> @ar7ch You can't do that on Ubuntu Touch afaik07:53
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ubptgbot<j2g2rp> @UniversalSuperBox, about you were arguing maybe it would be good to make some kind of biddings for some feature requests🤔 … I don't know if it would be easy 😅08:09
ubptgbot<John_athan> I like Jade diamond, browser next looks very outdated to me08:09
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Gregory, I dont know who has this opinion, but we see ourselves as the only stuff you can use as daily ;)08:16
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Flohack, I mean, there is Sailfish too08:18
ubptgbot<Flohack> yes it is08:44
ubptgbot<ar7ch> @Flohack, No doubt you are. Plasma Mobile is in stagnation, Sailfish is... well, they are on their own, I don't like how they get things done08:57
ubptgbot<Xray2000> @ar7ch, I was a Sailfish user before i moved to UT, yes indeed the community is verry wierd on doing stuff and also not as frendly as UT people...09:02
ubptgbot<John_athan> Not able to access Flipkart.com it redirects me to windows app store pls help10:35
ubptgbot<advocatux> To fix an issue, developers need data. Please file a proper bug report in the pertinent bug tracker10:38
ubptgbot<popescu_sorin> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mir-0-32-1-release-candidate/696611:37
ubptgbot<zack123> Is Ubuntu Touch compatible with Meizu Pro MX4 Pro or on Meizu Pro MX4 only?11:57
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/AUc01j7G.txt11:58
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @ar7ch, Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are reworked or even initially written.12:12
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @ar7ch, [Edit] Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written.12:12
ubptgbotDot_Hack was added by: Dot_Hack13:22
ubptgbot<berchio> Does xenial use Mir?13:53
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @berchio, Yes14:03
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> @UniversalSuperBox, perhaps14:09
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> According to my judgment, there should be no problem.14:22
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> move to zhcn14:22
ubptgbot<Flohack> @njlyf2011, I dont want to move to China, I will never learn this language 😆14:23
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> ...14:23
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> i am replying Dalton ...14:23
ubptgbot<njlyf2011> Question about translating files14:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, it's not that hard!14:41
ubptgbot<berchio> @UniversalSuperBox, So what is the plan in the long run?14:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> @berchio, What do you mean? Mir is not dead.14:55
ubptgbot<berchio> Ah I thought it was14:56
ubptgbot<berchio> it became a wayland compositor, nice14:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> making unity8 not use mir directly basically amounts to "rewrite everything" which is not a terribly amiable goal to keep things active and moving15:01
ubptgbot<jegrabbit> Anyone know if its possible to use the nexus 5 image on the 5x or port it some other way?15:51
ubptgbot<advocatux> @jegrabbit, You can't use the UT port for Nexus 5 on the Nexus 5x. Some people are trying to port UT to Nexus 5x but they're finding some weird bugs15:53
ubptgbot<Gorsh2> Despite the name, they're quite different under the hood15:53
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Well, made a liberapay link and added it to the authenticator app in the store. At least it was super easy to set up, unlike patreon.16:57
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ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> Anyone have a good suggestion on a portable bluetooth keyboard to get for ubports? I had a much older Mac Keyboard but it appears like doesn't want to work with 16.04 (I'm guess because it's a Mac keyboard)18:10
ubptgbot<dohbee> if it's bluetooth it should work, depending on what version of bt your phone supports and what version the keyboard uses18:11
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Nexus 5, as for the keyboard that didn't work. Apple A131418:14
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @njlyf2011, @UniversalSuperBox in case its relevant :318:23
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @AlexanderPlaza, but what version bluetootH? 1,2,3,4 or 5?18:24
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @Fuseteam, Checking the manuel for the keyboard18:28
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @Fuseteam, [Edit] Checking the manual for the keyboard18:28
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> Well can't find it but the phone says it supports 4.0 A2DP bluetooth18:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> A2DP is for audio18:31
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Yup, but 4.0 bluetooth should be able to handle most things for sure.18:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, well, except for things that are > 4.018:33
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, That's a given.18:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> ```The Linux kernel supports Apple Wireless Keyboards via the hid-apple module, which is present in 2.6.x+ kernels.```18:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> i doubt hid-apple is included on the phones, so that might be preventing it from working18:36
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Mmm I wish I knew how to check that18:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, grep for `HID_APPLE` in the kernel config?18:39
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> Would that be UbPorts or baked into the hardware?18:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> it'd be the kernel18:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> it would definitely be nice if we could get a lot more stuff built as modules and runtime loadable by udev18:40
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, I doubt it's on there. I did a lsmod and all I get is bcmdhd18:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, yeah, most of the drivers are not built as modules, but built into the kernel itself18:42
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @dohbee, Are we able to update Kernels on phones or not as much?18:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> but i doubt it's enabled, as a lot of stuff is disabled18:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, we can change the kernel config, but not necessarily ship newer kernel versions18:43
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Unfortunately handling of modules was never exactly fixed by Canonical18:44
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I have an idea but it's a PITA18:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> yep. hence the "would be nice" :)18:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> othwerise i'm sure we'd be doing it already18:45
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> @UniversalSuperBox, Ah it's in a half baked state.18:45
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> That's frustrating indeed.18:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, nah. more like "Google didn't intend for any of this"18:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> embedded devices tend to have very limited driver support, because they tend to have very limited resources. phones are an extension of that.18:46
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, They did actually18:46
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Modules can be built and included in an Android system.img18:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> and android wasn't designed to be run inside a container with a normal linux distro on top18:47
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> However, the support to mount those into the Ubuntu Touch root isn't right.18:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, i meant in the broader sense. i know it can have modules18:47
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It's there, but Android doesn't put modules into the `uname -r ` namespace.18:48
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> So modules just end up at the root of `/lib/modules ` or whatever and modprobe doesn't know what to do18:48
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> how to conquer the world with ubuntu touch: buy flash and sell uphones 😆18:56
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> oh my that interesting drives can loadable module18:57
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] oh my that's interesting drives can loadable module18:57
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] oh my that's interesting drives can loadable modules18:57
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> so teaching modprobe what to do is a pita 😂18:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Fuseteam, port to galaxy note 7 and send them to all the world leaders? :P18:58
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> hey now there's an idea 😆18:58
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @Fuseteam, No, teaching the initramfs what to do is the problem18:58
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I have to do it with halium-boot, so it'll be done18:58
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> ahh interesting18:58
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> noice good luck :318:59
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> So since I am new to the world of Android (don't throw those rotten apples my way please) and doing some googling, there are custom Kernels people have made for at least the Nexus 5. Does Ubports install a custom kernel or just uses the stock so not to complicate more an already spaghetti code mess?19:01
ubptgbot<AlexanderPlaza> [Edit] So since I am new to the world of Android (don't throw those rotten apples my way please) and doing some googling, there are custom Kernels people have made for at least the Nexus 5. Does Ubports install a custom kernel or just uses the stock so not to complicate more an already spaghetti code mess? … (Example Elementa19:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexanderPlaza, well, it's the "stock" one in that we start from the stock config, but we make some changes to it, which are necessary for UT19:07
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ubptgbot<advocatux> @Eelie_50, Hi Pietro, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed 👍21:24
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ubptgbotGermán Martínez was added by: Germán Martínez22:36
ubptgbot<Germán Martínez> wich mobile is better for plasma mobile?22:36
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Germán Martínez, Try @plasmamobile22:37
ubptgbot<Germán Martínez> @Lyokanthrope, thks22:38
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Liberapay donors to UBports, interruption of services is imminent. This is important for you: https://medium.com/liberapay-blog/liberapay-is-in-trouble-b58b40714d8223:09
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh and this is another case of @dohbee ruining everything. :P23:10
ubptgbot<Gregory> Plasma mobile pregrts nexus 5 whoever asked23:17
ubptgbot<Gregory> And right above that, someone said that more people are working on plasma mobile than UT...either Josef Goebbels rose from the deaf to do more propaganda work, or the genuine sentiment I expressed yesterday, that PM is the only horse one should bet on at this point, does exist.  A software engineer myself, UT doco and con fig mg mt23:22
ubptgbotalong with actual progress puts most DOD contractors I work with to shame23:22
ubptgbot<Gregory> Dead23:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, I wish. If I owned a payment processor, I'd not need donations, or a job. :P23:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Gregory, Pretty sure nobody said that, and beyond that I have no idea what you said.23:49
ubptgbot<Gregory> Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written.23:54
ubptgbot<Gregory> Said by...(using UT telegram.)23:55
ubptgbot<Gregory> Fwd from JBBgameich: Progress on Plasma Mobile may not seem too fast, but I'd even say there are more people working on it than ever before. Currently some of the core apps are being reworked or even initially written.23:55
ubptgbot<Gregory> I've seen other web sites say this as well23:56
ubptgbot<Gregory> I don't understand that perspective23:57
ubptgbot<JoeFilmmaker> Hi Folks. I’m wanting to run UBports (or another FOSS OS) as my daily driver on a device with a Really Good Camera (both stills and video). I see the current ports are for three year old devices. Is my quest hopeless? I really don’t want to keep supporting Apple and Google. Especially since their devices are buggy and they won’23:59
ubptgbott respond or let me fix the bugs.23:59

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