dufluMorning-ish thumper01:58
dufluAlso afternoon01:58
dufluHi seb12805:54
seb128good morning desktopers05:54
seb128hey duflu, how are you today?05:54
dufluseb128, going OK. Though my good hearing didn't last past yesterday. Doesn't happen very often. How are you?05:56
seb128duflu, sorry about your hearing :-(05:58
seb128duflu, I managed to again get a small cold post travelling and the kid decided that 6am is a good time  to start the day05:59
seb128but I'm good otherwise :)05:59
dufluMust be unlucky to get a virus on a short flight like that06:01
dufluOr perhaps more likely during the conference06:02
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seb128hey Laney, how are you?07:37
Laneyhey seb12807:37
Laneyalright, all checked out and hanging around in the lobby area07:37
Laneynot so many people here today07:37
seb128when is your flight?07:37
dufluHola Laney07:38
Laneyhey duflu07:38
Laney¿cómo estás?07:39
* Laney checked to make sure he got the ' correct07:39
dufluUmm, good - ish07:39
seb128I got a small cold again on the way back, but good otherwise!07:40
willcookeMorning all07:55
willcookeGuess I'm French now then07:56
seb128hey willcooke, welcome in the winning club!08:00
willcooke:) I hope so08:08
dufluMorning willcooke08:24
dufluAnd just in case, zdravo willcooke08:24
seb128duflu, re pulseaudio, it's still in proposed because the gconf binary has been removed but still has rdepends in the archive, which makes bitney block the update (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt shows that but in an non obvious way, it lists e.g paprefs which means that become non-installable)08:26
dufluseb128, does that translate to "wait" or "fix something"? :)08:27
seb128it translate to we either need to add -gconf back or move those packages to stop having the depends on -gconf08:28
seb128or maybe -gsettings can provide -gconf as a temporary thing if they provide the same feature08:28
seb128I don't know if those depends are there because they need -gconf or just because they need a backend and gsettings is equivalent in that regard08:29
dufluseb128, ah yes, I see it.08:30
seb128paprefs seems to depends on gconf but that's looks like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/paprefs/news/20180627T142643Z.html is dealing with that08:31
seb128I can sync that update08:31
dufluReverse Depends:08:32
duflu  Depends: paprefs08:32
duflu  Depends: plasma-pa08:32
Laneyyou can ping acheronuk about those KDE things08:32
Laneylike I just did :-)08:32
seb128Laney, thx :)08:32
dufluI didn't notice those in all my weeks of testing because I use neither08:34
seb128right, it's usually a good idea to check for rdepends of binaries that are removed by an update08:34
seb128duflu, acheronuk, sounds like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-pa/news/20180626T120921Z.html is what is needed08:35
seb128it's a new serie compared to cosmic though, so unsure how practical it is08:37
seb128let's wait for acheronuk to comment08:37
seb128if that requires work we can add back the -gconf binary as a temporary solution08:37
dufluDepends on the project whether version_minor is ABI compatible08:38
dufluSome people do and some people don't08:38
acheronukseb128: yeah, I had noted the discussion in debian. we are waiting on newer required qt before we do 5.13 plasma. however, there look very few changes in plasma-pa from 5.12 we have to 5.13, so quite likely we can sync those packaging changes early08:42
acheronukI'll will test build and see08:42
seb128acheronuk, thanks!08:43
Laneyacheronuk: Just the -gconf dropping is needed for now to unblock pulseaudio - you can look at bigger updates in a second round if you want08:43
LaneyI mean if it gets tied to a plasma update that might make it take longer to get pulseaudio in :-)08:44
Laneythere's latte-dock too fwiw08:44
acheronukyeah, it would break latte as that has a plasma-pa dep for some qml imports08:47
Laneythis doesn't depend on pa-gconf directly though08:49
Laneyso only the first fix I guess08:49
* Laney is feeling emoji08:49
acheronukLaney seb128: uploaded. fingers crossed here as well09:31
seb128acheronuk, thx!09:31
fossfreedomhi all - can anyone link me to a PPA with nautilus v3.28 so that I can test against for Ubuntu Budgie 18.10 please?13:32
seb128fossfreedom, unsure there is one, what do you can to test exactly?13:38
fossfreedomI need to pull in the right upstream patches to budgie-desktop to stop it crashing when nautilus 3.28 and later is running.  I can guess ... but obviously want to be absolutely assured things will work.13:39
fossfreedomIf there isnt one, I'll try to pull the package from debian experimental and rebuild into a PPA13:41
seb128k, I guess that would work, or you can probably update the nautilus package easily as well13:59
seb128the issue is that they removed the desktop feature13:59
fossfreedomseb128, yes - the desktop removal feature is the bit I need to workaround - need to be ready when nauilus 3.30 reaches its way into cosmic in September14:05
seb128fossfreedom, we didn't plan to update to > 3.26 for now since we didn't resolve the desktop case ... how do you plan to workaround that?14:06
fossfreedomafter fixing budgie-desktop to stop it crashing was going to look at the preliminary work budgie upstream has done in this area ... and also see if the nemo fallback is viable if upstream isnt ready.14:08
fossfreedomseb128, is there a go/no-go desktop meeting coming up that will decide if nautilus is to be upgraded - or not ?14:09
seb128not really, it has been discussed on the hub14:10
seb128but it's pretty sure we are not going to make a move that let users without a way to reactivate the desktop view in one form or another if they want to14:10
seb128using a nautilus fork to display the desktop doesn't sound like a great option14:11
seb128or are you considering replacing nautilus by nemo?14:11
fossfreedomjust using the nemo desktop handling part - but using nautilus for the main file-manager.  But yeah - not a great solution.  If 18.10 isnt going with nautilus 3.30 then I probably should stop worrying until 19.04 swings around14:13
seb128well more people trying to help resolving that question is useful14:14
seb128having 2 filemanagers, one displaying the desktop and one for other folders seems like a crappy option though14:14
seb128it's 2 codebases to maintain, inconsistent behaviour, more memory usage, etc14:15
seb128I would call that a no go for Ubuntu Desktop at least14:15
seb128andyrock, hey, could you review https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/7 when you have some time for it?15:04
gitlab-botUbuntu issue (Merge request) 7 in gnome-initial-setup "Display the ubuntu welcome wizard in Unity" (comments: 0) [Opened]15:04
andyrockseb128: sure thing15:20
seb128andyrock, btw I'm SRUing your software-properties fix (the bug you targetted earlier), I updated the description ... feel free to tweak the testcase to be easier if you have e.g a way to expire the u1 credential15:22
andyrockseb128: done15:25
seb128andyrock, thx!15:25
andyrockcan you check if it's easy enough to understand what I wrote?15:25
seb128the description looks good to me, thanks!15:27
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dviperHello all, Does anyone know the best way to ensure that all DNS traffic go to local host? Would this require iptables entry?17:27
willcookedviper, you're in the wrong place for that sort of question I'm afraid.  Try in #ubuntu17:32
willcookenight all17:32
seb128oSoMoN, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libzmf/+bug/1717926 when you have some free cycles and comment on whether you think it's a good idea/something we want?18:43
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1717926 in libzmf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libzmf" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:43
seb128oSoMoN, same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libstaroffice/+bug/171793018:43
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1717930 in libstaroffice (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstaroffice" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:43
seb128oSoMoN, I'm using the fact that you are still connected to IRC to be lazy, maybe an email would be better. In any case there is no hurry/don't bother looking tonight18:43
oSoMoNseb128, yeah it's on my to-do list, I won't get to it tonight but will do eventually19:12
seb128oSoMoN, great, thx19:12
oSoMoNand IRC works whenever I'm connected, my work hours are a bit chaotic/random these days so answers might lag…19:14
CrazyLemondid you guys noticed someone changed the topic?19:26
CrazyLemonyou might wanna change it and lock it :)19:26
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sarnoldthanks CrazyLemon :)19:31
CrazyLemonsarnold yw.. maybe set +t or something like that :)19:33
sarnoldI think the -t is mostly considered a feature :)19:33
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=== tsimonq2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/3VYBPFaR/ubuntu-desktop-1810-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | <sarnold> I think the -t is mostly considered a feature :)

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