[01:58] <duflu> Morning-ish thumper
[01:58] <duflu> Also afternoon
[02:00] <thumper> o/
[05:54] <duflu> Hi seb128
[05:54] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:54] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[05:56] <duflu> seb128, going OK. Though my good hearing didn't last past yesterday. Doesn't happen very often. How are you?
[05:58] <seb128> duflu, sorry about your hearing :-(
[05:59] <seb128> duflu, I managed to again get a small cold post travelling and the kid decided that 6am is a good time  to start the day
[05:59] <seb128> but I'm good otherwise :)
[06:01] <duflu> Must be unlucky to get a virus on a short flight like that
[06:02] <duflu> Or perhaps more likely during the conference
[07:36] <Laney> Bzoop
[07:37] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[07:37] <Laney> hey seb128
[07:37] <Laney> alright, all checked out and hanging around in the lobby area
[07:37] <Laney> not so many people here today
[07:37] <seb128> when is your flight?
[07:38] <duflu> Hola Laney
[07:38] <Laney> you?
[07:38] <Laney> 14:00
[07:38] <Laney> hey duflu
[07:39] <Laney> ¿cómo estás?
[07:39]  * Laney checked to make sure he got the ' correct
[07:39] <duflu> Umm, good - ish
[07:40] <seb128> haha
[07:40] <seb128> I got a small cold again on the way back, but good otherwise!
[07:55] <willcooke> Morning all
[07:56] <willcooke> Guess I'm French now then
[08:00] <seb128> hey willcooke, welcome in the winning club!
[08:00] <seb128> :)
[08:08] <willcooke> :) I hope so
[08:24] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:24] <duflu> And just in case, zdravo willcooke
[08:26] <seb128> duflu, re pulseaudio, it's still in proposed because the gconf binary has been removed but still has rdepends in the archive, which makes bitney block the update (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt shows that but in an non obvious way, it lists e.g paprefs which means that become non-installable)
[08:27] <duflu> seb128, does that translate to "wait" or "fix something"? :)
[08:28] <seb128> it translate to we either need to add -gconf back or move those packages to stop having the depends on -gconf
[08:28] <seb128> or maybe -gsettings can provide -gconf as a temporary thing if they provide the same feature
[08:29] <seb128> I don't know if those depends are there because they need -gconf or just because they need a backend and gsettings is equivalent in that regard
[08:30] <duflu> seb128, ah yes, I see it.
[08:31] <seb128> paprefs seems to depends on gconf but that's looks like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/paprefs/news/20180627T142643Z.html is dealing with that
[08:31] <seb128> I can sync that update
[08:31] <seb128> (done)
[08:32] <duflu> pulseaudio-module-gconf
[08:32] <duflu> Reverse Depends:
[08:32] <duflu>   Depends: paprefs
[08:32] <duflu>   Depends: plasma-pa
[08:32] <Laney> you can ping acheronuk about those KDE things
[08:32] <Laney> like I just did :-)
[08:32] <seb128> Laney, thx :)
[08:32] <duflu> Ta
[08:34] <duflu> I didn't notice those in all my weeks of testing because I use neither
[08:34] <seb128> right, it's usually a good idea to check for rdepends of binaries that are removed by an update
[08:35] <seb128> duflu, acheronuk, sounds like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-pa/news/20180626T120921Z.html is what is needed
[08:37] <seb128> it's a new serie compared to cosmic though, so unsure how practical it is
[08:37] <seb128> let's wait for acheronuk to comment
[08:37] <seb128> if that requires work we can add back the -gconf binary as a temporary solution
[08:38] <duflu> Depends on the project whether version_minor is ABI compatible
[08:38] <duflu> Some people do and some people don't
[08:42] <acheronuk> seb128: yeah, I had noted the discussion in debian. we are waiting on newer required qt before we do 5.13 plasma. however, there look very few changes in plasma-pa from 5.12 we have to 5.13, so quite likely we can sync those packaging changes early
[08:42] <acheronuk> I'll will test build and see
[08:43] <seb128> acheronuk, thanks!
[08:43] <Laney> acheronuk: Just the -gconf dropping is needed for now to unblock pulseaudio - you can look at bigger updates in a second round if you want
[08:44] <Laney> I mean if it gets tied to a plasma update that might make it take longer to get pulseaudio in :-)
[08:44] <Laney> there's latte-dock too fwiw
[08:47] <acheronuk> yeah, it would break latte as that has a plasma-pa dep for some qml imports
[08:48] <Laney> yah
[08:49] <Laney> this doesn't depend on pa-gconf directly though
[08:49] <Laney> so only the first fix I guess
[08:49] <Laney> :>
[08:49] <Laney> 🤞
[08:49]  * Laney is feeling emoji
[09:31] <acheronuk> Laney seb128: uploaded. fingers crossed here as well
[09:31] <seb128> acheronuk, thx!
[13:32] <fossfreedom> hi all - can anyone link me to a PPA with nautilus v3.28 so that I can test against for Ubuntu Budgie 18.10 please?
[13:38] <seb128> fossfreedom, unsure there is one, what do you can to test exactly?
[13:39] <fossfreedom> I need to pull in the right upstream patches to budgie-desktop to stop it crashing when nautilus 3.28 and later is running.  I can guess ... but obviously want to be absolutely assured things will work.
[13:41] <fossfreedom> If there isnt one, I'll try to pull the package from debian experimental and rebuild into a PPA
[13:59] <seb128> k, I guess that would work, or you can probably update the nautilus package easily as well
[13:59] <seb128> the issue is that they removed the desktop feature
[14:05] <fossfreedom> seb128, yes - the desktop removal feature is the bit I need to workaround - need to be ready when nauilus 3.30 reaches its way into cosmic in September
[14:06] <seb128> fossfreedom, we didn't plan to update to > 3.26 for now since we didn't resolve the desktop case ... how do you plan to workaround that?
[14:08] <fossfreedom> after fixing budgie-desktop to stop it crashing was going to look at the preliminary work budgie upstream has done in this area ... and also see if the nemo fallback is viable if upstream isnt ready.
[14:09] <fossfreedom> seb128, is there a go/no-go desktop meeting coming up that will decide if nautilus is to be upgraded - or not ?
[14:10] <seb128> not really, it has been discussed on the hub
[14:10] <seb128> but it's pretty sure we are not going to make a move that let users without a way to reactivate the desktop view in one form or another if they want to
[14:11] <seb128> using a nautilus fork to display the desktop doesn't sound like a great option
[14:11] <seb128> or are you considering replacing nautilus by nemo?
[14:13] <fossfreedom> just using the nemo desktop handling part - but using nautilus for the main file-manager.  But yeah - not a great solution.  If 18.10 isnt going with nautilus 3.30 then I probably should stop worrying until 19.04 swings around
[14:14] <seb128> well more people trying to help resolving that question is useful
[14:14] <seb128> having 2 filemanagers, one displaying the desktop and one for other folders seems like a crappy option though
[14:15] <fossfreedom> indeed
[14:15] <seb128> it's 2 codebases to maintain, inconsistent behaviour, more memory usage, etc
[14:15] <seb128> I would call that a no go for Ubuntu Desktop at least
[15:04] <seb128> andyrock, hey, could you review https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/7 when you have some time for it?
[15:04] <gitlab-bot> Ubuntu issue (Merge request) 7 in gnome-initial-setup "Display the ubuntu welcome wizard in Unity" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[15:20] <andyrock> seb128: sure thing
[15:21] <seb128> thx
[15:22] <seb128> andyrock, btw I'm SRUing your software-properties fix (the bug you targetted earlier), I updated the description ... feel free to tweak the testcase to be easier if you have e.g a way to expire the u1 credential
[15:22] <andyrock> kk
[15:25] <andyrock> seb128: done
[15:25] <seb128> andyrock, thx!
[15:25] <andyrock> can you check if it's easy enough to understand what I wrote?
[15:27] <seb128> the description looks good to me, thanks!
[15:29] <andyrock> np
[17:27] <dviper> Hello all, Does anyone know the best way to ensure that all DNS traffic go to local host? Would this require iptables entry?
[17:32] <willcooke> dviper, you're in the wrong place for that sort of question I'm afraid.  Try in #ubuntu
[17:32] <willcooke> night all
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libzmf/+bug/1717926 when you have some free cycles and comment on whether you think it's a good idea/something we want?
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libstaroffice/+bug/1717930
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm using the fact that you are still connected to IRC to be lazy, maybe an email would be better. In any case there is no hurry/don't bother looking tonight
[19:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah it's on my to-do list, I won't get to it tonight but will do eventually
[19:12] <seb128> oSoMoN, great, thx
[19:13] <oSoMoN> yw
[19:14] <oSoMoN> and IRC works whenever I'm connected, my work hours are a bit chaotic/random these days so answers might lag…
[19:26] <CrazyLemon> did you guys noticed someone changed the topic?
[19:26] <CrazyLemon> you might wanna change it and lock it :)
[19:31] <sarnold> thanks CrazyLemon :)
[19:33] <CrazyLemon> sarnold yw.. maybe set +t or something like that :)
[19:33] <sarnold> I think the -t is mostly considered a feature :)
[21:15] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:16] <tsimonq2> Better
[22:44] <sarnold> lol