[00:03] The Librem 5 smartphone coming up in January will be running their FOSS (free, if you buy the phone, or free-free, I'm not sure haven't looked) [00:03] The schedule is not "Coming in January" [00:03] Company is called Purism [00:04] I wouldn't expect too much from the librem camera [00:04] Sorry that's the last thing I heard from their press release a month ago. [00:04] When is it you think? [00:04] @JoeFilmmaker, You can try to port to a newer phone I guess [00:06] Are there ports ongoing for recent phones? How hard is it to do a port if there’s already Android drivers on, say, XDA? [00:07] Why aren’t there newer phones? Is it because ports are so hard? Because people don’t own the hardware? I’ve heard this but it seems odd to me that this is the real reason. [00:07] I'm going to be honest, it's very difficult until https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/494 is cracked [00:08] My guess Joe is that the Nexus 5, etc are well understood in both sw and hardware, making development of UT more straight forward. [00:10] Oh yes - HALium. Once that’s there then it should become much easier to do new ports, right? So the question I guess is how close is HALium and how hard will a port be once it’s done. I’ll read the Qualcomm issue mentioned above. Hope it’s not them trying to thwart FOSS. [00:10] @JoeFilmmaker, ....I only just realized the meaning behind halium's name. *headdesk* [00:10] You have to build a stable product incorporating a relatively recent OS before having the bandwidth to be able to break down and understand a more recent device. Just my guess [00:10] Yeah it sure is a cute name! [00:11] @Flohack might there be a simple way to move a set of translations from one language to another? We've gotta move zh_Hans to zh_CN on the docs. [00:11] Or rather, a way that doesn't make Weblate explode [00:12] You’ve got a pretty good name there as well @Lyokanthrope [00:12] Hah, thanks. [00:13] Lyo, you've exposed the secret, now you must die [00:13] (Photo, 220x220) https://irc.ubports.com/yzQetNsg.png [00:14] I can expose way more secrets than that [00:14] For example, did you know that marius never sleeps? [00:15] The beast? [00:15] Er [00:15] No [00:15] Marius [00:16] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/md3GEZ2s.webp [00:18] Oh. i'm not the hippest guy in the engineering lab :) [00:21] Well, welcome. We're all normal people with exceptionally normal lives [00:23] @UniversalSuperBox, Totally. [00:32] Any of you guys UBports coders? Done a port or know ‘em well? [00:33] I've attempted to port a few phones [00:34] I seem to have really bad luck though :V [00:34] What went wrong? Have you done OS coding work before? Is the code reasonably clear and well organized? [00:35] I used to work in the Unix kernel so I’m not exactly a newbie - but that was almost 30 years ago! [00:36] Eh, I'm not a programmer, just a tinkerer really. I understand a lot of the internals but I'm not great at working with it. … As far as what went wrong, it's often been issues with getting graphics working on my ports or something, seems to be the biggest hurdle overall. Lately it's just been the fact that CAF is in a weird sp [00:36] ot with Halium right now. [00:38] Yeah - from what you guys sent it sounds like Qualcomm broke binary compatibility without providing a runtime way to check for it. Bummer. [00:39] How long did it take you to get an almost-working port done? [00:42] Uhm. Last port I started was the LG G5 and getting that booting was just a night or two..but I couldn't get any graphics working on Halium for the life of me. … Before that was the Nexus 6 which took like a week to get it booting and tests working, did get graphics working under Halium rootfs and plasma mobile but haven't had [00:42] any luck with UBports. [00:43] @JoeFilmmaker, I don't do ports but my bits are all throughout the system [00:44] And they are exquisite, of course [00:45] Thanks Lyo. Hi Rodney. I’m a Unix dev from 30 years ago who’s now a filmmaker. But I’m tired of Apple/Google and am thinking of trying to do a port to - ironically I guess - either the pixel 2 or S7 or 8. ‘Cause I want a kick-butt camera. Any tips for getting up to speed in the source tree?\ [00:46] Gotta go but look forward to any replies! [00:47] s7 and s8 ports have been started [00:47] @JoeFilmmaker, Caf. Good luck booting it. also here is the porting group- https://t.me/ubports_porting [00:48] Pixel doesn't have an amazing camera [00:48] @rupansh, None of those devices are CAF (assuming he's talking about Exynos Samsungs) [00:48] @dohbee, Yeah it's actually pretty mid ranged hardware wise, it's the software that makes it great [00:49] Midrange phone at a maximum-range price [00:49] I wouldn't go that far [00:49] Well I was talking about the camera sensor [00:49] Iirc it's true same sensor found in some of the mid ranged Motorola devices [00:49] [Edit] Iirc it's the same sensor found in some of the mid ranged Motorola devices [01:00] As with most of us I am completely fed up with $1000 phones every year also. I have turned to OPO 3T, 5T, and soon to be 6T, unless my endless research pulls the next low-cost, high quality, medium-to-high performance phone to my screen [01:01] I pretty much always buy phones either as open box or used these days [01:01] last phone I bought new was the Nexus 5x, never again [01:01] I liked my 5X [01:01] I liked it at first [01:01] But I abused the Google Fi deal [01:01] Activated the phone and canceled immediately [01:02] But the overheating, the really awful battery life compared to the Z3C I had before and the redmi note 3 I had after (which I kinda wish I kept in retrospect), the stuttering...bleh. [01:03] the only redeeming qualities of that phone for me were the camera and screen [01:05] It's still easier to hold than the glass back behemoths [01:05] oh yeah [01:05] the actual build was rather nice [01:05] and it was servicable I guess [01:12] But actually using the phone was miserable [01:25] Hi guys and gals [01:25] Is there any issue installing 16.04 on a N5 that I should be aware of? [01:26] It's kinda taking a lot... [01:26] ... of time? [01:26] Yes, sorry [01:27] @UniversalSuperBox, Please can you elaborate ? [01:27] are you stuck at the bootloader or do you get to the recovery screen? [01:28] Ubports recovery screen. The installer on my computer is still on "Flashing images..." with a full orange bar [01:29] @matv1, Well alright, they are planning for a january launch. [01:29] ok, then I dont know. My problem was that the computer lost contact with the phone, so I got stuck at the bootloader [01:29] I did not see January. Last I saw was later in the year. [01:30] @The_Reverend, Thanks anyway. Maybe I'm just not patient enough [01:31] They are still saying january on the site though. But you obviously hear a bit more then us mortals :) [01:32] I'm not nearly important enough to get into "more than us mortals" territory [01:32] I know when you know [01:32] Hey Mathjs, I appreciate the upgrade to 'mortal'! [01:33] Haha [01:33] I was wondering though, is ubports set to receive one of those dev kits? [01:34] Well, phosh is in git. You could theoretically run on another device before librem release [03:18] Biju Joseph was added by: Biju Joseph [03:23] What's the point for rc in every Wednesday when no bug is debugged and no new features [03:24] because things are still being worked on [03:25] Hotspot still not working [03:27] so because the bug you care about isn't fixed means they shouldn't do anything else? [03:28] I'm sorry [03:37] That was a little rude on my part, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to say is that there's still a lot of work going on, commits to every part of the project almost every day. [03:38] If the bug you've been watching hasn't been fixed, check the issues tracker [03:57] yatix was added by: yatix [05:27] matteomutti was added by: matteomutti [05:35] @John_athan, Yesterday I switches from RC to devel and then the hotspot worked ;) (Bacon) [05:37] @BlueKenny, How about camera and video problem [05:38] @John_athan, Alot is fixed, if you would like see more fast the fixes go to dev ;) [05:38] @John_athan, What is the matter with this ? [05:39] I am using Hammerhead [05:39] @John_athan, But hotspot can be fixed on both I think but don't know [05:56] @dohbee, Hi Rodney. I was talking about the Pixel 2. At least with native OSes the Pixel 2 and S8 have the best image and video quality according to most of the tests I’ve seen. I’m a filmmaker and the phone is the camera I always have with me so I want it to be as good as possible. Quality comparable to the latest Google [05:56] , Apple, and Samsung phones is what I’m hoping for. Of course they do an awful lot in software so that may not be possible. Filmic Pro does an awful lot itself though and runs on Android so maybe it would do well Image quality wise. [07:09] Krysier was added by: Krysier [07:22] is there gimp on ubports? [07:31] You can install gimp with libertine but it,s not that usable on 16.04 [07:34] Hi @yatix @matteomutti & @Krysier, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed. … There are language focus groups available too 👍 [07:39] (Photo, 1920x1152) https://irc.ubports.com/0PXtPKzM.png [07:40] On meizu mx4, 15.04 but it,s a bit hard to use on the phone [07:42] You can make the ui bigger but you have to add a line in Xdefaults in container [07:44] Default dpi is 72 and them phone sceens are > 300 [07:44] still impressive that it works though [07:45] I think it,s using xmir [07:47] yeah must be [07:49] 16.04 is still using an old version on mir, i think with the latest upstream mir stuff will work better, maybe [07:49] actually i think xmir is broken on the newest version (the wayland shift broke it) [07:49] but that's the 18.04 desktop branch [07:49] Wayland/xwailand instead of mir/xmir [07:49] mir there is a wayland compositor [07:49] so it's xwayland / mir then i guess? [07:50] 18.04 uses wayland but xwayland branch is nit yet finhed/merged [07:52] i'd be running unity8 on my tablet when that's fixed [07:52] @UniversalSuperBox, Done. Works a bit shoddy though. One can't navigate to the page mentioned. Only use the direct link. [07:52] or, spamming bug reports ;) [08:04] +1 for reporting bugs 😃 [08:05] +2 for fixing bugs 😜 [08:12] +3 for supporting UBports with a donation lol [08:12] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/2WWtQHrr.webp [08:13] I know the struggle, brother ! [08:13] But yeah most people including me don,t have the skills to fix bugs so reporting, donating, sharing blog posts, helping other people helps [08:23] Hirenmob was added by: Hirenmob [08:35] Sup hirenmob [08:58] Mensah was added by: Mensah [10:24] is there any way to get browser audio to run in background? [10:34] maybe stop the browser from suspending? … you can do it in UT Tweak Tool [10:34] it's not just the audio though, it'll be the whole app that won't suspend and continue to run in the background [10:38] makes sense. I'd like to do some streaming audio in the background but it seems like all my options are just web apps [10:38] (I literally just installed this morning for the first time) [10:43] I am not sure though if it'll still work when locked [10:44] have you tried Cloud Music? it works good when I tried it before...not sure now :) [10:45] I just installed that. Where is it getting music from? [10:52] I really am liking the OS though. How active is the development? [10:56] the home screen does freeze a lot whenever I swipe over. It's probably the only thing I'm having issues with atm [10:56] not sure what its provider but it seems like an Asian one [10:56] the development is pretty much active 👍 [10:56] did you install 16.04 or 15.04? [10:57] @jaydemir, There's a bug with the scroll momentum, developers are fixing it [10:59] @JoeFilmmaker, The camera is still the same 12mp thing that's in the pixel though. It didn't change. Maybe it's better for video at 1080p or something though [10:59] @jaydemir, For best experience or daily use i recommend you to install vivid version [11:01] @John_athan, Again, for the Nth time, please report issues in GitHub, and stop being short, rude, and demanding about them [11:04] https://fitwhilehome.com/product/adjustable-dumbbell-bundle/?utm_campaign=DumbbellBundle&utm_source=social&utm_medium=fb&utm_term=&utm_content=fb [11:04] I'm actually not sure which version. I just fumbled with the latest ubports installer until it worked [11:05] reboot seems to have fixed the issue [11:06] it shows 15.04 r3 [11:06] it's a nexus 5 [11:06] @jaydemir, Go to system settings>about>OS [11:06] Oh ok [11:06] Cool then [11:06] You are in the stable channel [11:07] Xenial is not yet ready for daily use. Less for nexus 5 [11:08] doesn't seem like it supports x11 apps but pithos would have been cool to have [11:10] does this version of ubuntu touch come with the continuum-like feature? [11:15] You canrun x11 apps with libertine [11:15] (Photo, 1920x1152) https://irc.ubports.com/cbzapr0o.png [11:17] nice. When I try to run sudo apt-get install pithos I get a few errors though [11:17] W: not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock [11:17] Fwd from UBports News Channel: Liberapay is experiencing some turbulence, but don't panic! If you're using Liberapay to donate to UBports, this blog post post explains everything you need to know. https://medium.com/liberapay-blog/liberapay-is-in-trouble-b58b40714d82 [11:17] E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt [11:18] E: package lists or status file could not be opened [11:18] is there a considerable amount of tweaking that needs to be done to use apt? [11:19] In 16.04 libertine is integrated in system settings, so it,s quite easy to use [11:19] jaydemir: `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` [11:21] welp, goodbye Android! [11:21] I've been thinking about de-googling for a while and Windows phone wasn't going to cut it haha [11:22] @neothethird, Jan, I'm wondering why not offering crypto currency based donations ? … No third party involved that might cause problems here. [11:23] @coinee, we already accept bitcoin :) ubports.com/donate [11:23] so I was able to install pithos and I got libertine from the store. Any other steps? [11:23] @neothethird, oh crap, missed that, great, thx ! [11:23] @coinee, well, thank you :) [11:24] jaydemir: here's a guide, but after ota-4 it'll be a lot easier https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html [11:24] Nice! I'll be sure to give that a read [11:25] is running a desktop from the phone still a thing? [11:25] M$ calls it continuum, not sure if its called the same thing in the ubuntu world [11:26] jaydemir: yes, but not every device has hdmi out. So if you have a nexus 4 or 5, you can use a slimport adapter, if you have a bq m10, they have micro hdmi out. Other devices only have wireless, they work with miracast adapters. [11:27] it's called convergence mode in our world [11:27] slimport adapter can be bought on amazon or something I assume [11:28] @jaydemir, jep, i will recomend the offical slimport one btw. but others should work just fine [11:28] official slimport one? [11:28] @neothethird, Afaik MX4 doesn't work with miracast either - at least it did not the last time I heard about it. Or has this changed? [11:29] There is also unity8 for x86 on ubuntu 16.04, 18.04 and maybe arch and debian in the future [11:29] @jaydemir, https://www.amazon.com/Analogix-Semiconductor-SP6001-BlackBerry-SlimPort-enabled/dp/B015DJ4QYI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1531481380&sr=8-2&keywords=slimport [11:30] it's made by Analogix Semiconductor, the company behind simport itself [11:30] NICE [11:30] @zubozrout, i'm not aware of that. The big difference here is that miracast is an open protocol that needs to be supported by the software, for slimport you need special hardware. But there might be a porting issue on the MX4, i'm not sure [11:30] I can throw away all my computers and just use my nexus 5! :D [11:31] Ummm.... [11:31] jaydemir: haha, hold on to your computers for now, but we sure want to get there at some point :D [11:31] lol [11:31] yeah. Would have been nice to see ubuntu touch on the nextbit robin but I just got rid of mine [11:32] decent spec bump, super cheap and easy to unlock [11:32] its basically a better nexus 5x [11:32] but does it have hdmi out? (slimport, displayport etc) [11:32] true [11:32] its got usb C [11:33] next best thing I'd imagine [11:33] @neothethird, This is not the source I've read about this originally but it mentiones the issue behind its inavailability for MX4: … https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19666.html [11:33] @neothethird, [Edit] This is not the source I've read about this originally but it mentiones the issue behind its unavailability for MX4: … https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19666.html [11:34] @zubozrout, hmm, that's a pity [11:35] jaydemir: there's a million usb c standards though, and not all of them support video signals [11:35] anyways, if you want to look into porting, halium.org will get you started [11:35] @neothethird, [Edit] This is not the source I've read about this originally but it mentiones the issue behind its unavailability for MX4: … https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19666.html … Edit: oh, this is the link: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-convergence-support :) [11:37] @jaydemir, Don't use apt. [11:37] usb 3.1 supports displayport [11:37] does convergence mode need to be installed in any way or is it out of the box? [11:37] but usb-c might be 2.0, some vendors do that [11:40] @jaydemir, Ootb. It's a native feature, assuming the hardware has necessary bits [11:40] yeah it's native, just connect it and magic happens [11:41] yay [11:41]