[04:39] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, --> "Hey, can anyone hold my hand though what will likely take many hours?"
[04:41] <oerheks> oerheks, now give the wiki to do that in tty, pronto
[04:43] <JimBuntu> I admit, I might be mean at time, but sometimes it seems the questions are beyond what should reasonably be asked
[04:43] <oerheks> no, we call that helpfull
[04:44] <oerheks> uh oh...
[04:45] <JimBuntu> someone has taken the request and shoot, even illicited a response from guiverc. I no longer feel mean.
[04:46] <tomreyn> :)
[04:47] <tomreyn> go aelsilmaredh go
[04:47] <oerheks> lets wait and see
[04:51] <tomreyn> he keep explaining the live cd approach, doesnt he
[04:52] <JimBuntu> Well, I give aelsilmaredh credit for trying, but given the person wants to do it in real-time, without a live-boot... I can't watch this.
[04:52] <tomreyn> uh oh, windows user.
[04:52] <JimBuntu> literally rofl
[04:54] <JimBuntu> Train... I would like to introduce you to Mr. Wreck.
[04:56] <JimBuntu> my backup drive is empty... cause I like to backup... ?
[04:57] <JimBuntu> Ok, I'm done being so immature. Back to the regularly scheduled show.
[04:57] <tomreyn> they're actually not the average windows user, though, got a good understanding of partitions vs. file systems.
[05:10] <oerheks> i just walked the dog .. amzing to return
[05:11] <tomreyn> did you expect not to?
[05:12] <tomreyn> or do you mean the progress they're making?
[05:13] <oerheks> the progress is amazing indeed, i wonder what will be next, reinstall or ..
[05:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:14] <oerheks> heya lordievader
[05:14] <lordievader> Hey oerheks How are you doing?
[05:14] <oerheks> enjoying support :-)
[05:15] <oerheks> i am fine, thanks and how are you?
[05:15] <lordievader> Doing good here
[05:15] <lordievader> Waking up'
[05:30] <MysticReverie> How to add a sign off message on hexchat?  i noticed some people seem to have one
[05:34] <guiverc> MysticReverie: hexchat (client) allows me to set quit, leave & away messages (prefs -> chat general)
[05:35] <MysticReverie> thanks
[05:36] <MysticReverie> sounds fun
[05:40] <MysticReverie> jesus that kden live ui is not good
[05:40] <MysticReverie> cant even open a video clip
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <MysticReverie> hi lotus
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> hey MysticReverie
[05:59] <MysticReverie> Hows you
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> all good here tnx
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> bout you?
[06:02] <MysticReverie> same  thanks
[06:02] <MysticReverie> troubleshooting lol
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> shooting what?
[06:06] <MysticReverie> kdenlive editor
[06:06] <MysticReverie> cant use the basics yet lol
[06:08] <MysticReverie> cant seem to get the vidoe preview biger, or the timeline area smaller.  a waste of real estate
[06:08] <MysticReverie> and when i try to 'cut' selected areas, nothing happens
[06:09] <MysticReverie> just the usual stuff for me... bungling along
[06:10] <MysticReverie> this si why i sometime sfind it hard not using windows.  the software on linux can be too difficult and less choice
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> you cant generalize that
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> tons of nice software on linux
[06:11] <oerheks> who knows what huge task is going on, with that cut actions..
[06:11] <MysticReverie> just my exeprience personally
[06:11] <oerheks> and depends on what format
[06:11] <MysticReverie> yea, but not the selection on windows, and what ive tried is ofte nhard to use for me personally
[06:12] <oerheks> i think you used a closed format, or prop one
[06:12] <MysticReverie> maybe..  it snot looking very polished
[06:12] <MysticReverie> but i did download form software center ?
[06:12] <oerheks> "not looking very polished"  oh a good theme would help?
[06:13] <MysticReverie> if its makes it easier to understan and rezise windows, definately
[06:14] <MysticReverie> iv ehad to install a viruta lmachine just for photo and video editing.
[06:15] <MysticReverie> but if i cna figure out one or two linux alternatives, maybe i dont need it
[06:15] <MysticReverie> trying now
[06:15] <lordievader> Kdenlive does get a lot of praise of being one of the better video  editors under Linux.
[06:16] <MysticReverie> yea. it must be good. i cna see many good reviews
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i just need to get used to the interface,
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i liek basic stuff lol
[06:16] <oerheks> video edditing depends on good hardware, basicly
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> +1
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i just want to cut/edit and save t omkv or mp4 format. nothing fancy
[06:17] <oerheks> oh those formats require a lot of recoding, first unpack, then edit, and then again packaging...
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !info pitivi
[06:18] <MysticReverie> i dont under stand those scissors icon, surely for cutting?  but  i select a part with the scissors, right click and select cut and nothing happens
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> nothing fancy ^
[06:19] <MysticReverie> thanks.  i will have a look
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[06:19] <MysticReverie> Morning Ducasse
[06:21] <ducasse> hi MysticReverie
[06:25] <MysticReverie> i managed to get the kden to start rendering a file. i will check he output after.  maybe ok
[06:25] <MysticReverie> by the way, is it true that vide oencoding is bad for ssd's ?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:25] <MysticReverie> to muc hoverwriting or something?
[06:25] <MysticReverie> ok, good
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> as what oerheks said, better hardware= better editing experience
[06:26] <MysticReverie> ya
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> and surely for the graphics card
[06:30] <MysticReverie> i think i maybe able to use photo editer and video editor in linux, but the learning curve is a bit steeper
[06:30] <MysticReverie> if i cna tho, i can delete my 20gb win10 vurtual box
[06:30] <MysticReverie> i need the space as i dont want to waste 20gb in my sd
[06:30] <MysticReverie> ssd*
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> whats the deal with .24 now? i still see alot of users using it?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> oh its ubottu is behind
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> nvm
[06:51] <tomreyn> always behind :-/
[06:59] <tomreyn> didnt someone say something about a known bug with old intel gpu? i can't seem to find it on launchpad :-/
[06:59] <tomreyn> nor on the logs here.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> cant recall tomreyn
[07:01] <tomreyn> thanks for trying. ;)
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> what wa sit about tomreyn
[07:03] <tomreyn> freezing at gdm startup
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> that was my bug
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> bug #1780986
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> happened 2 times recently
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> my card is x800 ati
[07:15] <tomreyn> looks different, thanks though
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:46] <tomreyn> vanvugt found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1727356
[08:46] <tomreyn> aka duflu
[09:07] <MysticReverie> great
[09:08] <MysticReverie> I got great results with kdenlive
[09:08] <MysticReverie> same quality and file size as my program i was using before
[09:08] <MysticReverie> another problem solved
[09:28] <oerheks> yeah, we have solutions, and we look for a problem
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:29] <oerheks> ops, lotuspsychje is making fun of me
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> haha
[09:36]  * lotuspsychje looks pretty innocent
[09:45] <jink> lotuspsychje: I highly doubt that.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> look who's talking
[09:46] <jink> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:46] <jink> :P
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> im about to go get some frites
[09:46] <jink> Vlaamse Frieten!
[09:46] <jink> Top-idee.
[09:47] <oerheks> slagroomsoesjes..
[09:47] <jink> ^__^
[09:47] <oerheks> man, i am hungry
[09:47] <jink> Hahahahaha
[09:48] <oerheks> yes, yes, lotuspsychje is innocent, and weird
[09:48] <jink> I'll take your word for it.
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:49] <oerheks> i would not do that, but oke
[09:49] <oerheks> you know who else is weird too?
[09:50]  * lotuspsychje looks around him
[09:51] <tomreyn> bugzie! bugzie! bugzie!
[09:51] <oerheks> i don't know, just asking you guys
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> https://radio2.be/sites/default/files/styles/1200x630/public/images/articles/steakpeper.jpg?itok=5qTAFpTE
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit!
[09:52] <oerheks> njummie
[09:53] <oerheks> i have schnitsel & cabbage & potatoes for tonight
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice oerheks
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: what time are we expected?
[10:01]  * oerheks is looking for sponsors for my cargobike
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> you want a sticker with lotuscomputers on it lol?
[10:05] <oerheks> i asked the painter if he had any stickers, but he had none, nobody asks for that
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> right
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> better a nice shiny bike color
[10:05] <oerheks> i wouldn't mind, if it was small
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> oh.. i gtg frites!
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> ttyl fellas
[10:06] <oerheks> enjoy!
[10:11] <blackflow> Warhammer 40k: Gladius, first turn based W40k, on Steam, native for Linux! HERE TAKE MY MONEY!
[10:14] <oerheks> new macbook pro with silent keyboard ..
[10:15] <oerheks> me! me!
[10:23] <blackflow> oerheks: EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW macbook.
[10:24] <oerheks> i rather put my money in parts for my bike, though
[10:24] <blackflow> I did that too :)
[10:24] <oerheks> or new shoes :-D
[10:25] <blackflow> but this month it's warhammer. next month new brake pads and chain for the MTB.
[10:27] <oerheks> my list is about €140-160, excl fresh tires
[10:27] <oerheks> so that would be €200, when i am done.
[10:27] <blackflow> is that an MTB?
[10:29] <oerheks> no, this black one > https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmdxyqo3197gvp6/2018ride.jpg?dl=0   will be > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx3ev8a63hfl3i5/2018-painted-bike-1.jpg?dl=0
[10:31] <oerheks> actualliy, this is my old one, i sold it and bought 2 other ones in return, now i fix them with fresh powdercoat, 1 manually and 1 with electro motor
[10:32] <blackflow> ooh!
[10:34] <oerheks> and enough room to put something in it like this https://shop.sherlock.bike/product/sherlock-bike/
[10:35] <oerheks> 120 mm x 25 mm
[10:37] <blackflow> oh interesting.
[10:39] <oerheks> now with iOt, there are other solutions too
[10:39] <oerheks> but this a pretty cheap solution, incl 2 year
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:00] <oerheks> hello BluesKaj
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks
[11:01] <oerheks> benevolente dictator stops ... https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
[11:02] <blackflow> yeah, he grew sick of it all
[11:10] <oerheks> i tend to wait a minute before answering, they are fast finding it themselves
[11:10] <oerheks> grinn
[11:10]  * oerheks is bád
[12:13] <tomreyn> in case Wicardo (the person without working wireless) returns, please !irclogs | Wicardo
[12:14] <oerheks> :-)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> damn broadcom, my laptop has to use a non-default driver to work properly , otherwise the default driver keeps asking for my pw every few secs , and it won't register
[12:19] <BluesKaj> err wouldn't register til I clean reinstalled the entire OS, then the default kernel source driver finally worked
[12:20] <BluesKaj> on bionic
[12:24] <BluesKaj> the devs obviously fixed the kernel source driver after my initial install
[12:24] <blackflow> eww Broadcom.
[12:24] <blackflow> if you can choose, go atheros wherever possible.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> well, I always had pretty good luck with bcm on my previous laptops
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:44] <blackflow> o/
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> hey blackflow
[14:01] <hggdh> mornings, afternoons, and evenings, as the case may be, to all
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey there hggdh
[14:03] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: cheers
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> this might be a timezone cross zone indeed
[14:11] <oerheks> happy fri the 13th
[14:12]  * lotuspsychje throws a black cat around
[14:15] <oerheks> what thy sends comes back at thy, times tree
[14:16] <oerheks> smurf it
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> thats why i throwed it around, and not 'at' you
[14:17] <oerheks> drabber is scared of cats
[14:17] <oerheks> cats love him in the neighbourhood
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> really
[14:18] <oerheks> my neighbours have 2 cats, from their student-appartment, they never been outside, now they have a balcony... and drabber nextdoor
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> uh oh :p
[14:18] <oerheks> they usually sit between my flowers
[14:18] <oerheks> hippie cats
[14:19] <oerheks> and drabber is silly too
[14:19] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7ry39fkkjol9hk/DrabberRuiktBloemetjes2014.JPG?dl=0
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[14:19]  * oerheks goes out for a walk
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> nice pic oerheks
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> hey there pragmaticenigma
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: ... before you run away... do remember a question a few days ago about MOTD on login?
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> hi lotus
[14:20] <oerheks> oh, motd spam  ?
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> ya
[14:21] <oerheks> that can easily be undone, it is in /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news
[14:21] <oerheks> just -x
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> ah, so with the loss of execution it's dead... don't need to move it or rename it?
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> only thought is I would like to avoid system mail about a dead script
[14:23] <oerheks> i know, the controversion, like amazon, but people should not be that scared, and not just rely on ubuntu to get your system safe.
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> The ads don't concern me... just don't care for them
[14:23] <oerheks> it is the unwanted phone home issue
[14:24] <oerheks> that is what they call it
[14:25]  * oerheks is off
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> laterz oerheks
[14:26]  * pragmaticenigma goes and turns off nearly all the motd stuff :-)
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[15:04] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: in case you'll need it later: dmesg of TommyOne http://termbin.com/eik7  "BIOS 1.04C 04/27/2005"  - they're serious about not accepting obsolescence
[15:04] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: I have machines predating that :-)
[15:05] <tomreyn> sorry to hear this
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: though I was just surprised that we went from USB not supplying enough power to I'm going to modify the hardware to have dedicated power
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: Those old machines are mostly for research and tinkering... If they die, they go bye-bye
[15:09] <oerheks> what would one expect from 10 years and older?
[15:09] <oerheks> it is a fire hazard dangerous hobby
[15:17] <tomreyn> indeed they're apparently a tinkerer. but i'm not sure whether or not it's their main computer. would be sad if so.
[15:17] <tomreyn> i mean https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+3200%2B&id=54
[15:19] <tomreyn> but maybe i'm just too well paid ;)
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> mine still works like a charm
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> you guys have no idea what ppl still use in belgium
[15:20] <tomreyn> anstrad / schneider cpc?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> My main rig I bought in 2015, so it's fresher than most
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> tandy
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> no i mean they all got smartphones & tablets, but their pc's are old as ages
[15:25] <tomreyn> well if people dont consider pc's relevant anymore that's understandable. most use only mobile devices nowadays.
[15:26] <oerheks> if it is no duo core, i leave pc's on the corner of the street
[15:26] <oerheks> or HD i1080
[15:26] <oerheks> :-D
[15:26] <oerheks> we are ugly rich
[15:27] <oerheks> kids get computers from the council if their parents are *poor*
[15:27] <oerheks> laptops...
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> If all a person does is surf the web, watch you tube, and e-mail... what is the point of having a full on computer?
[15:39] <tomreyn> does a modern web browser work on any of these old computers? :)
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> Chrome works on a surprising amount of older hardware
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> would anyone here have a suggestion on something that I can use to edit and create GTK themes? (specifically for GTK2)
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> trying to edit the text is near impossible, since so much of it is keywords and I have a feeling that what I'm looking for isn't explicately defined
[15:49] <BluesKaj> chrome works on my 10yr old HP just fine
[15:50] <BluesKaj> actually most apps do
[15:52] <hggdh> BluesKaj: with a 10 year old OS?
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> Software ultimately doesn't care about the age of a machine... it's the user... software will run on just about anything... it may take a lot longer, but it will run
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> meantime.. thinking it's time to retire deluge and find a different app
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hggdh, , nope, I'm running Kubunru Bionic on it ..it has some upgrades like 8g Ram, a nvidia gpu, and a m-audio soundcard
[15:55] <BluesKaj> the m-audio card is 10yrs old though :-)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> thanks for kicking that idiot hggdh
[15:57] <BluesKaj> he still didn't get it
[15:57] <oerheks> it is friday, weekend support, comb your chesthair ..
[15:58] <BluesKaj> fri the 13th, my fav day and date
[15:58] <hggdh> itis Friday 13th, the universal day for idiots
[15:58] <BluesKaj> oops be caredful hggdh , you're calling me an idiot
[15:58] <oerheks> it is a religion :-D
[15:58] <BluesKaj> hggdh,^
[15:59]  * BluesKaj was born on Fri the 13th
[16:00] <hggdh> BluesKaj: no, I am not calling you an idiot :-)
[16:00] <hggdh> and I apologise if it sounded like that
[16:01] <BluesKaj> hggdh, I was kidding
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> As far as support... usually it's the I want something special, and I can't just use stuff the way it is
[16:01] <hggdh> still, it was a good point
[16:02]  * pragmaticenigma kind of what I'm doing with trying to figure out how to fix the progress bar in Deluge
[16:03] <BluesKaj> i wasn't kidding about my birthdate tho
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> i'm not kidding either
[16:05] <oerheks> i am half dead ( 50 )
[16:05] <BluesKaj> heh, Ill be b75 on Aug 13th next
[16:06] <leftyfb> hggdh: please keep an eye on takeme. It's a troll
[16:06] <BluesKaj> i'm 3/4 dead :-)
[16:06] <hggdh> leftyfb: k
[16:08] <leftyfb> they're a pretty discrete troll. :)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> takeme is registered/unaffiliated
[16:08] <hggdh> sounds like, but I have to give them the chance
[16:09] <hggdh> being registered makes life easier when dealing with trolls
[16:09] <BluesKaj> yp
[18:07] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: so what do you mean with 'netplan' is a replacement?
[18:07] <shibumi> replacement for what?
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> netplan is replacing ifupdown... it is still an abstraction layer, but more modular. It also handles the changes to the underlaying networking modules NetworkManger and systemd-networkd
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> intending to standardize the commands leaving the sysadmin with less customization to handle differences between the two
[18:10] <shibumi> well ok if you see it like this you are right. Although I see no need for netplan. There is systemd-networkd. systemd-networkd files are in ini format.. and they are usable without netplan and you can use them easily together with networkmanager
[18:10] <shibumi> I don't understand why ubuntu is doing that 'lonely wolf' move here again
[18:11] <shibumi> it's the same with upstart, mir and any other canonical project in the past..
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> I think the goal of netplan is you can switch between the two underlaying network managers without having to rebuild all your configurations
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> And I agree, it's hlaf baked at this point and really needs some work and polish
[18:11] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: full ack. it's maybe a good thought, but I don't need networkmanager on servers
[18:12] <shibumi> I mean one big advantage of all distributions going for systemd is that systemd makes the linux landscape uniform
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> true... but you would be able to use the desktop to get things setup, move your yaml files over to the server and wouldn't have make any adjustements (at least thats the theory)
[18:13] <shibumi> sure for desktops and laptops it makes totally sense :D
[18:13] <shibumi> but as I said for servers it's crap :D
[18:13] <shibumi> because if you want to deploy a non uniform landscape out of debian, centos7, ubuntu, arch linux, fedora.. the only distribution that will fail is ubuntu because of netplan
[18:13] <shibumi> and that sucks
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> servers are usually highly specialized, so I agree... it's silly to put a layer on top
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> I thought fedora was going netplan as well
[18:14] <shibumi> yeah and nevertheless netplan is enabled on default on server images and connected to cloud-init
[18:14] <shibumi> really? never heard of it in connection to fedora
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know if it's on their road map for common install, but I thought I saw references to it
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> I do see a number of discussions about it being added
[18:17] <shibumi> mhhh it would make sense for fedora desktops
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> guess it's a wait and see
[18:17] <shibumi> but for servers it just doesn't
[18:17] <shibumi> (i am not a fan of networkmanager either) I use pure IWD + systemd-networkd for my laptop on arch linux
[18:17] <daftykins> amusingly my 18.04 VPS with digitalocean makes use of netplan and cloud-init for IP provisioning, first time i tried to delete the packages i left my VPS with no network xD
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> I haven't cared for network manager, as it makes assumptions about the topology, and attempts to override values sent to it via DHCP
[18:19] <daftykins> i'd always been one for purging all the automagic crap and statically addressing my server VMs in /etc/network/interfaces :)
[18:21] <shibumi> daftykins: ugh Interfaces Files are so ugly :D
[18:21] <shibumi> Did you ever setup vxlan interfaces via that file?
[18:21] <shibumi> It's such a mess
[18:21] <daftykins> nope
[18:22] <daftykins> why are you in here if you're a Linux ricer running arch?
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> maybe ready to jump ship after Arch had their stuff breached by the H@X0RZ
[18:24] <leftyfb> you guys do realize he's the epitome of a troll right?
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> I don't judge others
[18:25] <daftykins> actually i think all the points about netplan are very aligned with my own
[18:25] <daftykins> ...opinions
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> also, I run CentOS on a number of systems
[18:26] <daftykins> i'm in no other channels if there's any evidence elsewhere, though
[18:26] <leftyfb> I was talking about in the main channel
[18:26] <leftyfb> genii took care of him though
[18:26] <BluesKaj> I ran stsatic IP for along time using th einterfaces file without NM, but since netplan it's been rlatively smooth sailing with NM along for the ride
[18:26] <BluesKaj> scuse all the typos
[18:28] <daftykins> genii's the man :) i'm gonna go hang out with him in Toronto later this year
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> I have no preference, as long as I can find documentation to help figure out how to do what I want to do, I'm a happy camper... not so happy about Deluge and it's mystical interpretations of the GTK Theme directives
[18:29] <shibumi> daftykins: because of issues with ubuntu and netplan
[18:29] <shibumi> daftykins: at work I do only ubuntu and CentOS
[18:29] <BluesKaj> really daftykins, when are you visiting Toronto?
[18:30] <daftykins> BluesKaj: yep! late September
[18:30] <daftykins> come on down into the city :D
[18:33] <BluesKaj> maybe I will , it's a5hr drive for me, but my daughter and some of my grandchildren live there so it would be nice to meet you guys as well.
[18:34] <daftykins> excellent :D let me look up my booking
[18:34] <BluesKaj> cool
[18:34] <daftykins> there we go, Wednesday 26th p.m. to Friday 28th p.m. September
[18:35] <daftykins> just a short stop before popping down to the US
[18:36] <BluesKaj> right I'll mark that on my calendar
[18:38] <BluesKaj> there used to be a linux cafe in Toronto, but I think it's out of business now
[18:39] <daftykins> hrmm i wonder if he knows, he's right in the middle
[18:39] <daftykins> might have to do the tourist thing and go up the CN tower :)
[18:39] <daftykins> already paid my $7 CAD to be permitted entry to the country!
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yes, he's mentioned it many times
[18:39] <BluesKaj> the CN tower is a must
[18:58] <EriC^^> evening all
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> wait, it costs money to go to Canada now?
[19:06] <daftykins> same as it costs to go to the US
[19:06] <daftykins> $14 USD for them :/
[19:06] <daftykins> ESTA visa waiver for the US, and eTA for Canada
[19:17] <BluesKaj> one has to pay for the customs ppl to look at your passport ...another govt scam
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> I never knew there was a fee for crossing between the US and Canada. The only time I crossed was a family vacation to Niagra falls, and I think I was 8 years old
[19:20] <leftyfb> I was just in Niagara last summer and plan on going in a couple weeks. I've never had to pay anything to cross in either direction
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose, now that a passport is required to jump across the border, that would make sense... used to need only a drivers license when I went... I'm thinking it was sometime in the late 80's or very early 90's
[19:24] <BluesKaj> was at Niagara a couple of weeks ago with my daughter , 25 buck cdn to park one's vehicle, but they have these little shuttle buses to take you to the falls a quarter mile away
[19:25] <daftykins> oof
[19:25] <MysticReverie> Trudeu gotta pay for all the immigrants he's welcoming in somehow lol
[20:55] <Bashing-om> And me welcomes the weekend support .. ready or not .... here I come :P
[20:56] <daftykins> welcome back :D
[20:58] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Thanlee as per the ususal .. Good day in the neighborhood ?
[20:58] <daftykins> yep gorgeous weather here and much relaxation was had with chilled drinks :D
[20:59] <daftykins> all well in your corner of the world?
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Well .. sad to have buried family pet dog - 14 years - cancer . We now have a different world here .
[21:06] <daftykins> oh dear, sad time - freedom from suffering for him/her too, though i wager
[21:08] <Bashing-om> She did not really complain until the final hours . Died in her mistres' arms, on her breast .....
[21:09] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:13] <pauljw> hi everyone