[00:06] <profess> how come i am able to do `ssh user@www.profess.com` but I can't do `ssh user@profess.com`? My A record is `@.profess.com` points to the right IP
[00:07] <leonardus> why is the frame rate so low when I do this? https://streamable.com/48le4
[00:07] <leonardus> I'm using 18.04
[00:09] <Sven_vB> profess, do both hostnames resolve to the same IP when you resolve them locally at your machine?
[00:10] <profess> Sven_vB, profess.com resolves to nothing at all. :|
[00:10] <blackflow> profess: you broke the zone
[00:10] <Sven_vB> profess, now you know :)
[00:11] <Sven_vB> I don't think the "@" belongs in your A record line
[00:12] <Sven_vB> also I thought @ was implicit on the right side
[00:13] <profess> well is it possible to just leave subdomain blank if you have access to the actual file? My registrar's interface only lets me do that, then it replaces it with the `@` symbol.
[00:13] <blackflow> @ is the origin of the zone, nothing do to with "right side"
[00:15] <profess> @ is supposed to work to let me do just profess.com according to everything i'm reading. I guess I'll just give it more time and stop messing with hosts and hostname.
[00:17] <blackflow> @ is the origin of the zone.  so if the zone is for     profess.com  then @ is profess.com. so at minimum you need      @ IN A <ipv4>    and you can have www (without dot) as CNAME for that
[00:18] <blackflow> profess: here's the doc for more info: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch8/
[00:20] <zmugg> is it possible to create a partition to split the size of a disk that has already been partitioned? I want to split my disk into two partitions so I can use windows in one and ubuntu in the other, but how can I do this without losing the system that is already installed? (ubuntu mate)
[00:21] <EriC^^> zmugg: show a pastebin of "sudo parted -ls"
[00:22] <EriC^^> zmugg: you can shrink windows and ubuntu will use the unallocated space and make a partition
[00:22] <EriC^^> zmugg: nevermind the pastebin, use windows to shrink it with disk management tool, you might need to defrag first if it says it cant
[00:26] <profess> Thanks blackflow
[00:26] <sartan> Hey there! is it possible to express an /etc/network/interfaces definition for a L2 vlan interface and have it come up automatically with the system, without an ip?  auto eth1.99; iface eth1.99... but this is incomplete.
[00:26] <sartan> haven't been able to figure this out from grepping ifreload plugin
[00:27] <sartan> iface eth1.99 <stanza here> is required but unsure what to do to tell ubuntu to just simply bring it up and dont ask questions
[00:29] <zmugg> but has no unallocated spaces
[00:35] <zmugg> is it possible for me to use the live cd with gparted installed to do this?
[00:38] <oerheks> resize ubuntu mate? sure, if it is not encryptes, it is easy with the live iso + parted
[00:38] <oerheks> zmugg, ^^
[00:39] <oerheks> tons of howto's, https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-resize-partitions-with-the-ubuntu-or-gparted-live-cd
[00:39] <EriC^^> zmugg: yes use gparted, i thought you meant you had windows installed
[00:39] <oerheks> your problem will be: after installing windows, you need to fire up the live iso again, to reinstall grub bootloader
[00:40] <EriC^^> zmugg: what oerheks said ^
[00:40] <oerheks> that is why we advise to install windows first, but it can be done
[00:44] <zmugg> I'll create a backup as a precaution
[00:46] <deznutz> are there not any good python IDEs on the repos provided on install?
[00:49] <thatlizdude> does Ubuntu desktop include sshd preinstalled?
[00:49] <thatlizdude> I have sshd_config file but I don't seem to have sshd installed
[00:50] <sartan> deznutz: pycharm or bust.. not in a repo, but just available as a .tar.gz with a shell script inside.
[00:50] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: sshd is not installed by default on ubuntu desktop. and this configuration file would not be there either, unless you had sshd installed previosuly or placed it there.
[00:51] <thatlizdude> oh I edited ssh_config
[00:51] <thatlizdude> hmm
[00:51] <tomreyn> deznutz: thonny is readily available from apt. it's rather simple, though.
[00:53] <tomreyn> deznutz: you may find more available via !ppa or pip
[00:56] <PythonMonads> Hello, I am curious what the best e-mail client is for Exchange users? Is it pretty much Evolution or Thunderbird with Davmail these days?
[00:57] <zmugg> personally I do not like thunderbird, I have had many problems with it in mate
[00:58] <PythonMonads> Oh I see, what do you use @zmugg
[00:59] <zmugg> pigdin PythonMonads
[01:05] <deznutz> thanks Tomreyn
[01:06] <deznutz> ok zmugg
[01:21] <illuminated> I am trying to understand why as a normal user I cannot do a 'mysql -u root.'  It says 'access denied for root@localhost' but when I do sudo mysql it connects me without a password.  When I do a USE mysql; SELECT user, host, password FROM user; it shows me root@localhost w/ no password.  I assume that explains why I can login as root without a password, but the question I have is why I have to use sudo for it to work.  is it because it's
[01:21] <illuminated> matching user@localhost instead of 'root@localhost' when trying to connect and sudo changes the user to root?
[01:22] <illuminated> sometimes it's not enough to know that something works, you want to understand 'why' it works.
[01:26] <guiverc> illuminated: i don't know, but try `echo $USER $UID` with & without sudo; then `whoami` with & without sudo .. you'll note some detail changes with sudo, other doesn't.
[01:28] <illuminated> guiverc: no change.  both reports the same username and uid
[01:28] <illuminated> oh, interesting.  whoami reports differently though
[01:29] <illuminated> one reports user, the other reports root.
[01:30] <Antisoche> illuminated: Well, here's a basic question. Let's assume it's okay for "sudo mysql" to work - it's run as root. If 'user' (any user) can say "mysql --hey-I'm-root", why would you expect (or want) that to work?
[01:32] <illuminated> I never said it was 'ok.'  I just wondered why calling it with sudo worked and without did not.
[01:32] <oerheks> illuminated, since 16.04 : This means that a non-root user can't log in as the MySQL root user with an empty password.  >>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#MySQL_5.7
[01:33] <bynw> is a guest session still available for Ubuntu? and how would you set it up in bionic beaver?
[01:33] <oerheks> bynw, all versions have a guest session standard, logout, choose..
[01:33] <oerheks> desktops, that is
[01:35] <bynw> thanks oerheks
[01:35] <Antisoche> illuminated: I agree; I just didn't consider your question completely. Based on oerheks' response, I would check the permissions of mysql.sock, wherever that's hiding these days
[01:38] <bynw> oerheks, no guest option was at the login screen. only my own username or a not listed link. when choosing not listed there is a prompt for a username and then a password and "guest" doesnt work. does it need to be enabled someplace. been trying to find it online and only finding stuff for older versions of ubuntu
[01:38] <oerheks> how about top panel right side?
[01:39] <oerheks> if you delete your username, would do too i guess
[01:41] <howudodat> illuminated:  not sure about your configuration, but I can do mysql -u root with an empty password on my laptop (which just serves as a test environment).  runing 18.04 mysql 5.7.22
[01:42] <illuminated> howudodat: well, I'm running mariadb not straight mysql
[01:42] <illuminated> and according to https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/authentication-plugin-unix-socket/    socket auth is default with mariadb since ubuntu some version or another back
[01:42] <bynw> oerheks, looks like 18.04 uses GDM/GNOME which doesnt support the guest session login. it was disabled with 16.10 according the an article i'm reading but there are work arounds
[01:48] <howudodat> illuminated: if you do select User, Host, HEX(authentication_string), plugin from mysql.user what is your root line?
[01:50] <Antisoche> I recently installed 18.04 on a machine with a USB Ethernet gadget. I want to give it a static IP and specified one in /etc/netplan/99-usb.yaml. But when I 'netplan apply' (or --debug apply) it fails because the file /sys/..../usb0/device/unregister doesn't exist. Unfortunately I'm asking from memory; netplan sees this as a hotplug device and tries to replug it but the device/un<something> directory and file don't exist. So, absent this,
[01:50] <Antisoche>  what is the "right" way to give device 'usb0' a static IP in bionic?
[01:50] <illuminated> howudodat: | user | host      | authentication_string | plugin      |
[01:50] <illuminated> +------+-----------+-----------------------+-------------+
[01:50] <illuminated> | root | localhost |                       | unix_socket |
[01:50] <illuminated> +------+-----------+-----------------------+-------------+
[01:50] <illuminated> 1 row in set (0.01 sec)
[01:51] <bazhang> illuminated, pastebin please
[01:51] <illuminated> apologies
[01:52] <granttrec> so I have the following sudo policy : https://paste.ee/p/r45UK how can I get this policy to show up in ubuntu software, it just shows my superuser account instead (has sudo access)
[01:52] <howudodat> illuminated: ok, so my install isn't fresh, but I keep migrating my db (been doing it this way since 12.04).  you can do this: ALTER USER 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED WITH mysql_native_password BY ''; and it should work.
[01:54] <illuminated> howudodat: cool
[02:10] <illuminated> howudodat: IDENTIFIED WITH changes which authentication plugin your db user is authed by.  You can view the options with this SQL query:  SELECT plugin_name, plugin_type FROM information_schema.plugins WHERE plugin_type='authentication';
[02:20] <howudodat> illuminated: that is correct.
[02:22] <hays> haha this system76 ad is pretty funny. "I don't want a TV with a keyboard!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWVKqeF0MY
[02:22] <hays> but i do wonder if this laptop gets more than 3 hrs battery life :)
[02:22] <hays> oops im in the wrong channel
[02:27] <howudodat> illuminated: as I understand it <insert every imaginable disclaimer here> socket auth uses the logged in users credentials by retrieving the uid.  This would render -u root superfluous.  since the local user doesn't have an entry in the user table for authenication you get denied.  sudo pulls in the uid of root and that is allowed in the table.  If you dont want that change to mysql_native auth.  (I may not have explained tht 100% corr
[02:27] <howudodat> ect, but the gist of it should be fairly close)
[02:27] <max3> can someone tell me what the hell i'm doing wrong: https://toolbox.googleapps.com/apps/dig/#A/afiction.org A record gives the right thing but navigating in my browser gives me no page
[02:28] <max3> like is it really possible google's dns is updated but mine isn't
[02:29] <illuminated> howudodat: yeah, that's kinda what I read as well
[02:30] <howudodat> max3: afiction.org returns a chart
[02:30] <max3> howudodat, lol i guess my dns is gimped for real
[02:30] <max3> thanks
[02:31] <howudodat> max3: try dig afiction.org....or nslookup, then set type=a, then set debug, then afiction.org
[02:31] <howudodat> both tools will give you some extra hints
[02:32] <max3> how do i set ...? dig from terminal returns a response that says there's no answer
[02:32] <howudodat> max3:ping afiction.org
[02:33] <howudodat> does it respond with anything?
[02:33] <max3> name or service not known
[02:34] <max3> oh nm it's all set now (what i really wanted to google to see a TXT record)
[02:34] <max3> thanks howudodat
[02:41] <nickson> hello
[02:50] <ghostnik11> hey i have some kernels (old ones that i added my self and i want to get rid of them so i can get some disk space back) but autoremove and autoclean doesn't delete them and free up space
[02:52] <krytarik> Yes, because you added them specifically.
[02:53] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[02:56] <titanx> good evening all
[02:56] <buthow0> almost midnight for me
[02:56] <jpmh> I'm looking for text to speech = something better in quality than eSpeak - but like espeak - any suggestions?
[02:56] <buthow0> bout to say good morning
[02:56] <ghostnik11> krytarik, leftyfb: yeah i was trying to do it just via commands in terminal. the only way i can do it is if i run a script? there has to be another way. and i don't understand, just becasue i added them my self, ubuntu can not autoremove them?
[02:56] <titanx> i just installed kubuntu 18.04 lts and having issues with copying files to my second hard drive and also the usb..in dolphin file browser my main hard drive has a green icon to the left of it and the others have a red icon?
[02:57] <titanx> hehe
[02:57] <titanx> good morning aswell
[02:57] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: that script will do the work for you
[02:57] <titanx> u think it is permissions related ?
[02:58] <ghostnik11> leftyfb, so that means everytime i add a kernel manually, i will have to run this script to remove them?
[02:58] <leftyfb> ghostnik11: no, you can remove them manually if you like
[02:59] <ghostnik11> leftyfb, yeah but with this script i am going to have to first make it using text editor then i have to make it run then i will have to put it in the command window. can
[02:59] <ghostnik11> can't we just have one command to do that all for me
[02:59] <leftyfb> :/
[03:00] <ghostnik11> leftyfb, i will copy and paste it into a txt file now and get started on it
[03:01] <ic56> ghostnik11, if you added the kernels manually, then it's easiest to remove them manually too.  After all, you know which ones you added and which ones you no longer need.
[03:02] <ghostnik11> ic56, yeah but i added them through, command. i figured i could just uncommand them or something
[03:03] <ic56> ghostnik11, I don't understand.  What do you mean "through command"?  What command?
[03:04] <ghostnik11> ic56, like going into terminal and telling it to add this kernel from like the kernel website or download it first from kernel website then run command to add the kernel
[03:04] <buthow0> Is anyone able to troubleshoot this? https://www.ffxiah.com//forum/topic/52488/the-windower-50-alpha/1/#3356128 Supposedly from a couple sources Ashita is supposed to work while old versions of windower never has (but i am unable to get it going https://www.ashitaxi.com/ ) "Im on Ubuntu 18.04 & i can run Vanilla XI np its golden but when it comes to API i get no luck ;; https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28861
[03:04] <buthow0>  http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/download/media/install_win.html this is where you can get the base came & well
[03:05] <buthow0>  While you cant play without a monthly fee i dont even think you would need to actually run the game updates & get beyond base installation to troubleshoot this
[03:05] <buthow0>  + honestly if Ashita was to run then that would give you access to private servers but yea trying to crossover from windows to linux I couldnt success soo far
[03:05] <buthow0>  & theres reports of Ashita working... In other word if i could get that to run on ubuntu than more than likely Windower5 Beta would work too as its requiring same components as far as i can tell
[03:05] <buthow0>  heres claim that Ashita should be working on linux https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/7acvgv/does_ffxi_run_very_well_under_linux_thinking_of/ On top of the initial Windower5 Beta link that i gave first where someone claim that they got it working on Wine also
[03:05] <ic56> ghostnik11, So, after downloading, what command did you use to add each kernel?
[03:05] <buthow0> For years ppl asked if windower could work on linux & the answer was no as you can see here : http://forums.windower.net/index.php@sharelink=download%3BaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy53aW5kb3dlci5uZXQvaW5kZXgucGhwPy90b3BpYy8xMDcyLXJ1bm5pbmctd2luZG93ZXItd2l0aC1mZnhpLXRocm91Z2gtd2luZS8,%3BUnVubmluZyBXaW5kb3dlciB3aXRoIEZGWEkgKHRocm91Z2ggV2luZSk,.html but i thought Windower5 would fix that maybe no longer needing dependencies of like
[03:06] <tomreyn> !paste | buthow0
[03:06] <buthow0> netframework 3.5-40 as its up to 4.7 now but I have been failing at getting it solved
[03:06] <buthow0>  Ashita was alternative & assuming it would run, more than likely the new windower would too. That was my question Whew sorry for the spam
[03:06] <leftyfb> buthow0: go to #winehq for help
[03:07] <titanx> well i am gonna mess with the permissions gots to be that
[03:09] <ghostnik11> ic56, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[03:10] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: for those kernel images you have in /boot, you can get the packages they were installed from like this: dpkg -S /boot/*linu*
[03:10] <titanx> w00t w00t
[03:10] <titanx> LINUX 4 LIFE
[03:12] <buthow0> HERE! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fkpK9wvHbj/
[03:12] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, yeah there is 3 there. one is the current kernel i am using. then you have two more that i can uninstall to save disk space
[03:12] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, ic56 linux-image-4.4.0-130-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-130-generic
[03:12] <ghostnik11> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-130-generic.efi.signed
[03:12] <ghostnik11> linux-image-4.9.87-040987-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.87-040987-generic
[03:12] <ic56> ghostnik11, Ah, I see.  In that case, assuming you still have the *.deb files, the easiest way might be sudo dpkg -r FILE.deb  Where "FILE" is any package you want to remove.
[03:16] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: here's a better script: awk '/^[[:blank:]]*linux/ {print "/boot"$2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep -v 'signed' | sort | uniq | xargs dpkg -S
[03:16] <tomreyn> !paste | ghostnik11
[03:18] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: those you want to uninstall you can run 'apt purge' against. but you'll probably want to uninstall headers as well, incase those are seperately packaged. this will list all linux* packages (probably including the headers, if any): dpkg -l 'linux*'
[03:20] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: also, some of these packages may have been installed thorugh meta packages. the 4.4.0-130 kernel image is a dependency of the linux-image-generic package on ubuntu 16.04, for example - but i dont know which ubuntu version you are running, did you discuss it?
[03:21] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, i am running 16.04
[03:22] <tomreyn> buthow0: (as lefty said) please ask in #winehq, we can't really help with making windows programs work through wine here.
[03:22] <buthow0> tomreyn how come? i went there& ill stick to it but im looking for help nearly everywhere all i get is ppl running from it like hell
[03:22] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: ok, that's good to know. :)
[03:22] <ic56> ghostnik11, tomreyn: I'm off.  Catch you later.
[03:23] <ghostnik11> ic56, okay bro, thanks for the help
[03:23] <buthow0> tomereyn if you dont know how sure just say it but so far all i get is getting swiped off as idk,,,
[03:23] <tomreyn> buthow0: would you join #windows and ask them how to make some closed source linux game work on windows?
[03:24] <buthow0> tomreyn we are in 2018 & tbh no im here because of that because i try to move from windows
[03:24] <tomreyn> buthow0: software made for a different platform is best used there only.
[03:24] <buthow0> tomereyn if anything im trying to have linux adapt further, while i do desire to learn more myself, i could just ignore it & stay on my other computer but i wanted to try linux forever
[03:25] <buthow0> tomreyn theres testiomys of it working tho & if you clicked th elinks i gave you the guy that created the new beta API himself say it should work on linux & that he would like it to
[03:26] <buthow0> tomereyn but of course because video game! its not important for ubuntu developpers...
[03:26] <buthow0> tomreyn*
[03:26] <tomreyn> buthow0: i like that you try linux. i'm just saying we cvan't support you in making windows applications and games work on linux here, unless they are built for linux. in fact we only support applications available in ubuntu here (and sometimes a little bit more).
[03:26] <buthow0> ffs i need a new keyboard
[03:27] <tomreyn> buthow0: this is not the place to discuss this. please move this elsewhere. we have #ubuntu-offtopic for non support topics.
[03:28] <tomreyn> (I'll be happy to talk a bit more there)
[03:28] <buthow0> k
[03:33] <buthow0> Im unable to join channel tomreyn
[03:34] <tomreyn> !register | buthow0
[03:35] <tomreyn> you'll need to have your nickname registered to join
[04:01] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, the apt purge worked, thanks bro. i got rid of 4.9.8 kernel and 4.0.4 kernel and freed up more than 500mb
[04:03] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: welcome. hope you'll still boot successfully then.
[04:03] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, lol, we will see
[04:05] <sirensari2> is this normal for a machine without nfs installed? and for none of the inodes to show up in /proc/net/unix ? http://termbin.com/dd0k
[04:05] <sirensari2> it's an ovh dedi
[04:05] <sirensari2> 16.04
[04:07] <oerheks> sirensari2, could wel be, ovh provides a heavily tweaked system
[04:07] <sirensari2> oerheks, i used the non ovh kernel or w/e they call it
[04:08] <oerheks> sirensari2, better reask in #ovh ( unofficial support )
[04:08] <tomreyn> ghostnik11: su be sure to run update-grub, and check its output
[04:08] <sirensari2> it's not normal though right ?
[04:09] <sirensari2> i guess ill just spin up a vps to test
[04:25] <ghostnik11> tomreyn, yeah it updated and only shows my current kernel and also the efi option for my android x86 boot. so i think i am safe
[04:33] <kutt> Heya
[04:34] <kutt> Got to move/resize my current /home partition live
[04:34] <kutt> Please help
[04:35] <oerheks> kutt, boot a live iso, open gparted and do so?
[04:36] <tomreyn> kutt: and before you do this, make backups.
[04:37] <kutt> given i dont have a live iso right now
[04:37] <kutt> Can this be done with tty
[04:37] <kutt> ?
[04:37] <oerheks> short answer: no.
[04:38] <tomreyn> because we're too lazy to guide you through it.
[04:38] <JimBuntu> !cookie | tomreyn
[04:38] <tomreyn> the other approahc is much easier and less error prone
[04:38] <tomreyn> !botsnack
[04:38] <JimBuntu> lolz. Speaking the truth though.
[04:43] <kutt> Hmm really good support
[04:43] <oerheks> thanks.
[04:43] <aelsilmaredh> kutt: Do you need to make it bigger or smaller?  What do you mean by "move?
[04:44] <tomreyn> yes, we're kind enough to save you from mistakes you don't want to make.
[04:44] <kutt> make it smaller
[04:44] <guiverc> kutt: you expect free support from people where it takes a long time, is risky? (unless you know what you're doing) - you expect a bit much in my view.  using a 'live' is user level work; not cli
[04:45] <aelsilmaredh> kutt: if you're going to make it smaller, make sure you back up all your data.  shrinking a partition has a risk of data loss especially with low disk space
[04:45] <kutt> I am free to take risk .
[04:46] <tomreyn> growing, too, or any kind of partition table edits.
[04:46] <aelsilmaredh> you'll need a livecd or live usb of some linux (the lighter the better).  Before you boot into it, run "cat /etc/fstab" and "cat fdisk -l"
[04:46] <oerheks> growing might be possible, but shrinking .. well, you find out.
[04:47] <aelsilmaredh> write down the output or print it
[04:47] <oerheks> ahhh .. but he does not want livecd, just tty
[04:47] <aelsilmaredh> well by live I mean live console too
[04:47] <aelsilmaredh> you can't format a mounted disk
[04:48] <aelsilmaredh> so boot into the livecd or liveusb and if you prefer console mode, run parted
[04:48] <aelsilmaredh> the interface is pretty intuitive.  The /etc/fstab file will tell you which partition is mounted on /home
[04:49] <oerheks> if he had, we saved 10 minutes
 given i dont have a live iso right now
[04:49] <aelsilmaredh> then fdisk -l shows you the layout so you cn locate the partition
[04:49] <aelsilmaredh> within parted, help will display the command list.
[04:50] <aelsilmaredh> just resize whichever partition /home is mounted on (parted allows size specification in KB, MB, GB, etc instead of sector sizes, which is convenient).  Hopefully its near the end of your drive, before the swap space.
[04:51] <kutt> https://pastebin.com/KsSmLyRG
[04:52] <oerheks> your linux is in one extended partition, like ubuntu 18.04 does standard now. there is no seperate /home/
[04:53] <kutt> y
[04:53] <aelsilmaredh> yeah your swap space and linux is a single partition divided into "logical partitions"
[04:54] <aelsilmaredh> you have two Windows partitions...do you happen to know why its set up like that?
[04:54] <kutt> ok if you think its complicated , then one thing can I just want to copy the bytes from /home to /dev/sdb (new ssd) ?
[04:55] <aelsilmaredh> you have another drive available? are you using it for anything?
[04:55] <kutt> given /home is a folder not a separate drive
[04:55] <kutt> ya an empty one
[04:55] <kutt> to keep backup
[04:55] <kutt> I just want to copy bytes through dd
[04:55] <aelsilmaredh> ok...make sure you read up on this a little before executing...
[04:56] <aelsilmaredh> yeah it would be:
[04:56] <aelsilmaredh> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512
[04:56] <kutt> but copy not possible through dd for directory
[04:57] <aelsilmaredh> "/dev/sda" and "/dev/sdb" are files, not directories
[04:57] <aelsilmaredh> linux treats all devices as files
[04:58] <kutt> ya what can be done for directory then. It gives error
[04:59] <kutt> dd: reading '/home': Is a directory
[04:59] <aelsilmaredh> it won't copy a directory.  You don't need to.  Copying sda to sdb should transfer all data from one drive to another, with all metadata about directory hierarchies intact
[04:59] <kutt> but problem is /dev/sdb is 120gb sdd
[05:00] <kutt> and sda is 500 gb hdd
[05:00] <tomreyn> kutt: you can either image the entire linux / partiiton, or, probably the better option, create an archive of the /home directory tree.
[05:00] <T3ss> Hi all, I was previously running Ubuntu 16.x on this hardware. I have since done a clean install of Ubuntu 18, but having done so, my maximum resolution is less than it was before. Where should I start for investigating this? lshw gives me this: product: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller. Which I know is not a fantastic card, but it's capable of more than 1024x768, which is the current max in
[05:01] <T3ss> settings.
[05:01] <aelsilmaredh> that's an option if you have the disk space.  You can tar the entire home directory, mount /dev/sdb, and copy to it.  You'll need to format sdb first, of course
[05:01] <kutt> tomreyn : second option looks better
[05:02] <kutt> alone is 287G
[05:02] <aelsilmaredh> so, format the disk first.  My favorite console tool when I don't have to resize is cfdisk...in that case its cfdisk /dev/sdb
[05:02] <kutt> * root alone
[05:02] <aelsilmaredh> tar can compress the directory and it will probably fit in 250GB
[05:03] <tomreyn> kutt: what are / were your plans for sdb?
[05:03] <guiverc> T3ss: try hitting <super> and typing display; I can view & change resolution from there.  (this is vague sorry, as I'm using xfce & can't seem to find the gnome-settings at the moment)
[05:03] <tomreyn> kutt: did you mean to use it some otherway?
[05:04] <guiverc> T3ss: sorry you've already tried - my mistake
[05:04] <aelsilmaredh> kutt:  I'm thinking your best option is to back up all your data in /home  on the blank drive and then reinstall Linux
[05:04] <T3ss> guiverc: yeah, the max in there is 1024x768, but I had higher options in Ub 16.x
[05:05] <aelsilmaredh> it's probably possible to do the entire root filesystem...but only if you know you've got the space for it
[05:05] <kutt> space only for /home folder
[05:05] <kutt> is reformatting required ?
[05:06] <aelsilmaredh> ok so cfdisk /dev/sdb (or your preferred partition editor...)
[05:06] <aelsilmaredh> if sdb is empty, its not formatted
[05:06] <kutt> formatted as NTFS
[05:07] <aelsilmaredh> oh, that's workable
[05:07] <aelsilmaredh> so you don't have to
[05:07] <kutt> ok then just rysnc ?
[05:07] <aelsilmaredh> first find an empty folder to mount it on...try "ls /mnt"
[05:07] <aelsilmaredh> if that folder is empty, thats a good place
[05:08] <aelsilmaredh> rsync? prob not necessary
[05:08] <aelsilmaredh> I'm thinking just archive and compress all of /home...you'll save space
[05:08] <kutt> already mounted on /media
[05:08] <kutt> as NEw_VOlume_
[05:08] <aelsilmaredh> oh word...so here's the command to run
[05:08] <kutt> as New Volume_
[05:10] <aelsilmaredh> first, do you have enough space on your current drive to hold a copy of all of /home?
[05:10] <aelsilmaredh> just temporarily
[05:10] <kutt> ya man
[05:10] <aelsilmaredh> ok
[05:10] <kutt> all empty
[05:10] <aelsilmaredh> go to / and run
[05:11] <aelsilmaredh> sudo tar cvjf home.tar.bz2 /home
[05:11] <kutt> on / or /media/New Volume
[05:11] <aelsilmaredh> it will output every single file it works on, which is what the v does...(you can omit the v if you don't want to see it)
[05:12] <guiverc> T3ss: i'm at a loss sorry, other than to check your cable connections aren't loose  (yes I've seen it reduce resolution)
[05:12] <aelsilmaredh> actually yeah, try navigating to /media/New Volume
[05:12] <aelsilmaredh> then run the command
[05:12] <aelsilmaredh> tar -cjf home.tar.bz2 /home
[05:13] <aelsilmaredh> it'll take awhile
[05:13] <kutt> I ran sudo tar cvjf home.tar.bz2 /home
[05:13] <T3ss> guiverc: I'm thinking of going into recovery mode and creating a xorg.conf.
[05:13] <kutt> I know, OK
[05:13] <aelsilmaredh> yeah that's right
[05:13] <kutt> Thanks
[05:13] <oerheks> T3ss, maybe a factory reset of the monitor helps
[05:14] <aelsilmaredh> at the end, the other disk should contain the file "home.tar.bz2".  You can just unpack it to restore everything, including directory structure and permissions.  see man tar for more info. good luck
[05:14] <T3ss> oerheks: Not sure this monitor (a Samsung TV) supports that.
[05:16] <tomreyn> T3ss: it will support unplugging thze power for 1 minute.
[05:17] <T3ss> tomreyn: heh, ok, I'll try it.
[05:17] <tomreyn> T3ss: i've actzually seen this help with edid issues, though on non 'smart' devices
[05:18] <MysticReverie> Whats thre best simple video editor in unbuntu that support smany formats. Mainly need it for simply editing/snipping video and converting. nothing fancy
[05:19] <aelsilmaredh> kutt: oh, one more thing.  Just check the tar file with ls -l to make sure it isn't owned by root
[05:20] <oerheks> MysticReverie, openshot, tons of others too https://itsfoss.com/best-video-editing-software-linux/
[05:20] <T3ss> tomreyn: What's 'edid' ?
[05:21] <tomreyn> T3ss: the data a monitor provides other devices to identify itself and its capabilities.
[05:21] <MysticReverie> 'edit' ?
[05:22] <MysticReverie> oh lol
[05:22] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data
[05:24] <MysticReverie> i'm beginning to think tomreyn can cure  rainy day !
[05:28] <tomreyn> unless there's an fsck wrapped command for it, no.
[05:29] <MysticReverie> hmm
[05:30] <MysticReverie> 'i'm a doctor Jim, not a mgician!'
[05:32] <T3ss> So, I pulled the power on the tv for a couple of minutes, but display settings still only show up to 1024x768
[05:33] <T3ss> Could it be that wayland was a better server for my rig?
[05:34] <oerheks> T3ss, i was wondering the other way, xorg better?
[05:35] <T3ss> oerheks: isn't 18.04 defaulted to xorg?
[05:36] <oerheks> yes
[05:36] <oerheks> if you had better screendetection in wayland, i would switch back
[05:37] <T3ss> oerheks: was 16.x wayland or xorg?
[05:37] <oerheks> also xorg, wayland started with 17.04 or 17.10, as default
[05:38] <T3ss> ok, so to switch?
[05:38] <T3ss> I just log out and there should be an option on the login screen?
[05:39] <oerheks> logout, click username, with password dialog you would see the settings icon to change
[05:39] <tomreyn> T3ss: probably. before you do this, can you post the output of the "dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999" command?
[05:40] <T3ss> what does nc termbin.com do?
[05:40] <tomreyn> T3ss: it posts the log to this website
[05:41] <T3ss> tomreyn: huh, cool
[05:41] <T3ss> done
[05:41] <tomreyn> T3ss: tell us the url, please, and repeat the process for 'cat .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999'
[05:43] <T3ss> http://termbin.com/mhty <- dmesg
[05:44] <T3ss> tomreyn: do you mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[05:45] <T3ss> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/930u <- Xorg log
[05:45] <jim> MysticReverie, have you starred your trek today?
[05:46] <tomreyn> T3ss: remove nomodeset
[05:47] <T3ss> tomreyn: How do you mean? 'remove' isn't a valid command.
[05:48] <tomreyn> T3ss: oh, i thought you'd know how it got there, since it's not there by default. ok, so run this in a terminal: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[05:49] <tomreyn> there should be a line starting "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=", i it probably has "nomodeset" in it. if so, remove it. if not, is "nomodeset" listed elsewhere on this file?
[05:49] <T3ss> tomreyn: I used a couple of xrandr commands to try and add the profiles, but reversed those when they didn't work.
[05:49] <T3ss> tomreyn: no, "nomode" doesn't appear in the file.
[05:50] <MysticReverie> how ot chang ethe size of the timeline and preview in kden live?   the timeline area is huge, and the vide opreview is very small.  but i cnat see to drag to chang ethe size
[05:50] <tomreyn> T3ss: oh wait you did a recovery boot. can you not boot normally then?
[05:50] <T3ss> tomreyn: no? I haven't dont a recovery boot. I was going to in order to generate a xorg.conf.
[05:51] <tomreyn> T3ss: you can exit the file editor using ctrl-x, then answer to not save the file
[05:51] <T3ss> tomreyn: thanks, I opened in vim anyway.
[05:52] <T3ss> tomreyn: I did run "xrandr --newmode" and "xrandr --addmode"
[05:52] <tomreyn> T3ss: the "dmesg" output you provided is definitely from your current session. it says "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-23-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro recovery nomodeset", which means that your kernel was booted with the "recovery" option, which takes place when you select the recovery option from grub menu.
[05:52] <T3ss> tomreyn: to try and manually add 1900x900 and 1920x1080 - but when I activated them in the gui it wasn'tg right. So I *thought* I removed them.
[05:53] <T3ss> tomreyn: Ah, perhaps I haven't rebooted since I had gone into recovery for a separate issue.
[05:53] <tomreyn> T3ss: ok, thanks for clarifying,. i don't think the two are related, though. can you reboot and post dmesg again, like before?
[05:53] <T3ss> tomreyn: will do. Back soon.
[05:58] <Guest116> recently updated my xubuntu 18.04 laptop and rebooted... now it hangs starting gdm
[05:59] <Guest116> also weird is when I hit 'ctrl-alt-f3', keyboard stops working after about 30 seconds, and I have to hit ctrl-alt-f3 again to get back
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Guest116: do you have an error like starting gnome display manager link is not ready?
[05:59] <Guest116> any ideas as where to start trouble shooting?
[06:00] <guiverc> Guest116: i'd suggest editing grub (E) and removing 'quiet splash' to see if useful messages appear during boot
[06:00] <guiverc> ps: 'quiet splash' are found on the linux (kernel) line
[06:01] <Guest116> okay I will try that now
[06:06] <tomreyn> T3ss: did the reboot help?
[06:06] <Guest116> removed quiet splash and rebooted
[06:07] <T3ss> tomreyn: can't currently boot. It keeps hanging just before the login screen.
[06:07] <Guest116> it's hung on '[ OK ] Started User Manager for UID 125'
[06:07] <T3ss> tomreyn: (I'm on IRC on a different computer now)
[06:08] <guiverc> Guest116: nothing unusual before that?  and can you ctrl+alt+f4 & use a terminal?  (I assume yes)
[06:08] <Guest116> also weird that my usb devices won't work either, though when I check /var/log/messages, it shows up that I'm connecting/disconnecting
[06:08] <tomreyn> T3ss: ok, do you know how to bring up the grub menu and edit the linux boot parameters there?
[06:09] <xubuntu1804> Hi, syslog reports;  gvfsd-metadata[*]: message repeated 7 times: [ g_udev_device_has_property: assertion 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed]  ?? why ??
[06:09] <Guest116> and yes, I can ctrl-alt-f4 and access the tty
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest116: is your system up to date? if not: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade from tty
[06:09] <T3ss> tomreyn: yes, I'm trying (again) with quiet and splash removed, but it doesn't seem to be taking effect.
[06:10] <T3ss> tomreyn: It just goes to a blank screen for a while, and eventually loads a cursor in the bottom right but is unresponsive.
[06:10] <tomreyn> T3ss: if this doesn't work either, then try recovery again, and choose to enable networking on the menu, then go to the root prompt.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: tell us the full story please, ubuntu version? what are you trying to do?
[06:10] <Guest116> though after about 10-15 seconds, the tty fails to take input and I have to ctrl-alt-f3 again
[06:11] <T3ss> tomreyn: it was doing this before, I thought I'd fixed it, but apparently not. That's why it would have still been ia recovery boot before.
[06:11] <Guest116> lotuspsychje: I just did the update 30min ago, and that is what I believe caused this
[06:11] <Guest116> lotuspsychje: no packages need updating at this time
 xubuntu-18.04, full up to date, checking why I'm getting gvfs errors
[06:12] <T3ss> I'm interested to know what Guest116's issue is, because the snippets I've seen sound like what's happened to me.
[06:12] <zuser> I'm trying to figure out what device grub efi is installed on. I think I may have messed up and put it in multiple locations
[06:12] <guiverc> Guest116: i don't know, it could be that gdm is restarted & takes control (switching to gui logically at least) but fails... forcing you to switch to term again... (guess only)
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> Guest116 guiverc check my recent bug on gdm, (ubuntu-desktop) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1780986
[06:13] <zuser> Any grub/EFI experts here?
[06:13] <T3ss> tomreyn: ok, here we are again. I've gone into recovery, then enable networking. During the enable networkig phase it gets to "[ OK ] Reached target Swap" and then sits there. I've found if it Ctrl C, it moves on and boots.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> zuser: best to ask your question to the channel
[06:14] <xubuntu1804>  <lotuspsychje> maybe; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1752091 ??
[06:14] <guiverc> Guest116: if you `dmesg|less` (hit G to jump to bottom) do you see any clues (are you capable of recognizing any)  then maybe journalctl..
[06:15] <zuser> Does anyone know how to list where grub-efi is installing the bootloader?
[06:15] <Guest116> guiverc I did a /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop and now the tty issue doesn't happen anymore
[06:15] <zuser> As in what device grub is installed to?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: yeah that bug looks usefull, have you affect yourself yet?
[06:15] <guiverc> Guest116: have a look at lotuspsychje's suggested bug, your issue exactly - try what lotus suggested (work around) and see if it helps
[06:16] <T3ss> tomreyn: confirmed again, I hit Ctrl C and now I'm at the login screen
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> guiverc Guest116 not sure if it will work on xubuntu (ubuntu-desktop package)
[06:16] <Guest116> lotuspsychje guiverc thanks!
[06:17] <Guest116> will check now
[06:17] <guiverc> Guest116: okay  - i forgot you were xubuntu (xfce) so maybe it's different, I still suggest try
[06:17] <tomreyn> T3ss: it's possibly this issue ("getrandom hang") https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1779476
[06:18] <tomreyn> enabling proposed and installing the kernel provided there should work around it
[06:18] <tomreyn> !proposed
[06:18] <guiverc> Guest116: please take note - if the purge gdm gdm3 has warning or error (such as doesn't exist) - stop there!
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> +1 guiverc
 sorry; have you affect yourself yet?  ??
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: to the bug you found
[06:20] <tomreyn> T3ss: okay, so the lower graphics mode will be a result of the nomodeset kernel parameter, which is a result of the recovery boot. so if we can fix your boot issue we have probably solved it all.
[06:20] <T3ss> tomreyn: so, log in and enabled proposed?
[06:21] <tomreyn> T3ss: that's what i suggest, yes.
[06:21] <T3ss> tomreyn: thanks - I'll try that. And sorry for the screw up - I didn't realise I was still in rec mode. That was daft.
[06:21] <tomreyn> T3ss: you could also boot an older patchlevel of this 4.15 kernel if you prefer, it's a little easier.
[06:21] <tomreyn> T3ss: no problem ;) it was easy to find out once i had the dmesg output
[06:22] <T3ss> tomreyn: How so? Don't I just go into software update and enable proposed?
[06:22] <Guest116> lotuspsychje / guiverc: I was able to fix the issue differently
[06:22] <T3ss> tomreyn: yeah, but I'm not a complete noob - I should have seen that.
[06:22] <Guest116> lotuspsychje / guiverc: instead of gdm, I switched over to using lightdm
 my journalctl -xb & syslog show many entrys
[06:23] <Guest116> lotuspsychje / guiverc: life is good again;  Thanks for helping me work through the root cause!
[06:23] <tomreyn> T3ss: you need to enable proposed *and* update repository infor *and* install the newer kernel version. but i guess it's pretty easy from the GUI, yes.
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Guest116
[06:23] <guiverc> Guest116: yeah !
[06:23] <tomreyn> T3ss: i'll bbiab
[06:23] <Guest116> I should check to see if there is a gdm bug for the most recent update
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> Guest116: my bug happened twice recently
[06:24] <Guest116> ugh...
[06:24] <Guest116> well thanks again!!
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
 journalctl -xb | grep 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)'
[06:29] <tomreyn> T3ss: i'm back
[06:29] <livestreamingrpi> connect
[06:29] <T3ss> tomreyn: Great. Just installing the updates after adding proposed.
[06:30] <livestreamingrpi> lsct
[06:30] <livestreamingrpi> LSWS
[06:31] <tomreyn> T3ssokay, let me know how your next boot works out when you'll be ready for it. i'll be around.
 grep 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)' /var/log/syslog
[06:32] <T3ss> tomreyn: so theoretically, once the new kernel is live, the boot issue should be resolved?
[06:32] <MysticReverie> tomreyn  do you ever sleep or stop helping in here?
[06:32] <tomreyn> T3ss: right
[06:33] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: yes, but let's talk about non support things in -offtopic
[06:33] <T3ss> lol
 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gvfs/commit/d7e1397854f32e793b4f65d894908d67072dcb3f  ??
[06:36] <T3ss> tomreyn: rebooted, and stuck at the splash screen with a dead mouse.
[06:37] <T3ss> tomreyn: ^^ which is the same status as before the proposed update.
[06:38] <tomreyn> T3ss: a pity. can you retry with nomodeset, set manually?
[06:38] <T3ss> tomreyn: Going to rec mode, the new kernel is listed (4.15.0-27). I'll try enabling networking in that and see if it's the same issue.
[06:39] <tomreyn> ok
[06:40] <T3ss> tomreyn: stuck at "Reached target Swap" again.
[06:40] <T3ss> tomreyn: ok, so I just add that to the kernel line?
[06:41] <tomreyn> T3ss: can you do a cold reboot, so just power off, wait 10s, power on, boot with default (-27) kernel?
[06:41] <T3ss> tomreyn: will do that now
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: i advice you to add yourself affected to the bug you found, tell your whole story there, try a few steps (other kernel boot etc)
[06:44] <T3ss> tomreyn: splash screen now. Will see if it gets to the login. Incidentally, you're right, the resolution is fine when botted normally.
[06:45] <T3ss> tomreyn: hung on the splash screen. As soon as the cursor appears, hdd activity reduces to a trace amount, and the rat is dead.
[06:45] <T3ss> tomreyn: so, same issue under -27
 ok, thanks, maybe fixed in new kernel??
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: wich kernel are you on now?
[06:46] <OlofL> Hello is there a working vncviewer for ubuntu 18? i installed gvncviewer and xtightvncviewer. but there is no appliaction in appliactions for it...
[06:46] <tomreyn> T3ss: okay, can you boot the default kernel but without "quiet" and without "splash" so we'll know what the error is?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | OlofL
[06:46] <OlofL> I need something lightweight that can open in GNS3
[06:46] <T3ss> tomreyn: yup, my hunch is it'll be stuck at the same line.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: be carefull with vnc..its a security flaw to use
 Linux kunt 4.15.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 13 08:44:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:47] <tomreyn> T3ss: probably, but i'm hoping we'll have a better idea as to why
[06:47] <OlofL> lotuspsychje: its not a problem atm...
[06:47] <OlofL> i need simple vnc working
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: can you test .23 plz?
[06:48] <T3ss> tomreyn: to make sure my method is right. I hit 'e' on the grub entry, then change the 'linux' line to remove quet and splash, and then I just hit F10?
[06:48] <T3ss> s/quet/quiet
 ok, I'll report back, thanks, bye 4 now!
[06:49] <tomreyn> T3ss: right, i'mnot 100% sure about f10, i usually use ctrl-x
[06:51] <T3ss> tomreyn: it says either, I've tried Ctrl x this time. Reason for asking is that it then just goes to a blank (ubuntu brown coloured) screen. Whereas I thought it would go to a black screen with the raw boot process printed.
[06:52] <T3ss> tomreyn: did the same this time. Sits there for a bit, then turns black. Then the cursor appears on a black screen. Shortly afterwards, the hdd stops its activity, and the cursor is non-responsive.
[06:52] <tomreyn> T3ss: right, i had the same expectation there. not sure about the brown colored screen.
[06:52] <T3ss> tomreyn: by brown coloured, I mean the same colour as the splash screen, just without the ubuntu logo
[06:53] <tomreyn> T3ss: hmm, that's annoying. all i can think of now is (a) replacing gdm by lightdm and (b) nomodeset
[06:53] <T3ss> tomreyn: happy with either.
[06:53] <T3ss> tomreyn: I'll reboot so I can install lightdm
[06:54] <tomreyn> T3ss: well nomodeset is easy, but wont get you a better resolution
[06:54] <tomreyn> T3ss: right
[06:54] <OlofL> lotuspsychje: vinagre worked. but not xtightvncviewer or gvncviewer
[06:54] <T3ss> tomreyn: anything else I can / should report for this bug?
[06:55] <tomreyn> T3ss: we can look at the syslog later, and maybe learn more aboiut what is failing. we could also do this now.
[06:56] <T3ss> tomreyn: I'd like my frustration to help the commuity if possible.
[06:56] <T3ss> tomreyn: just booting into rec mode and then gui now
[06:57] <T3ss> tomreyn: is lightdm just a matter of apt-get install lightdm?
[06:57] <tomreyn> T3ss: :) much appreciated. we'd want to know what hapepend during the 'normal' boot, the one without recovery + nomodeset. so we'll need to look at syslog, but not at the latest records but at those about the non 'nomodeset' boot.
[06:58] <tomreyn> T3ss: yes, probably, it should spawn a prompt asking you whether you'll want to use lightdm or gdm post installation
[06:59] <T3ss> tomreyn: indeed it did.
[06:59]  * tomreyn fingers crossed
[07:00] <T3ss> tomreyn: ok, full reboot into -27 now?
[07:00] <tomreyn> T3sssure, why not
[07:01] <T3ss> tomreyn: strap in
[07:02] <T3ss> tomreyn: sitting at the 'brown' blank screen...
[07:02] <tomreyn> meh
[07:02] <T3ss> hdd still active though.
[07:02] <T3ss> She's not done yet
[07:02] <T3ss> splash screen
[07:02] <T3ss> responsive cursor
[07:02] <T3ss> login screen!
[07:02] <tomreyn> wohoo
[07:03] <T3ss> We're in, ahhhh my eyes are so much happier with this reso
[07:03] <T3ss> Ok, so both problems fixed. Now what can I do to help the community with the gdm3 bug?
[07:05] <tomreyn> T3ss: you can review your syslog, find the latest boot where you booted with normal boot options, so with "quiet" and "splash" (and then into gdm3), and see where it failed.
 Linux kunt 4.15.0-23-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 23 18:02:16 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:05] <T3ss> tomreyn: up for talking me through that?
[07:05] <tomreyn> T3ss: yes, i'm trying to look up the commands, give m a min
 grep 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)' /var/log/syslog
[07:06] <T3ss> tomreyn: oh sure, sorry.
 Jul 13 17:00:33 kunt gvfsd-metadata[1441]: g_udev_device_has_property: assertion 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed Jul 13 17:00:38 kunt gvfsd-metadata[1441]: message repeated 33 times: [ g_udev_device_has_property: assertion 'G_UDEV_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed]
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: ok, add this to the bug please, you tested .23 and did not help
[07:08] <tomreyn> T3ss: that's fine. this will return the latest boot timestamps and the options used: sudo zgrep 'kernel.*Command line' /var/log/syslog* | sort -nr
 sorry, how do I add to bug list?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: do you have a launchpad account yet?
 sorry, no
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: you need to register first to put yourself affected
[07:09] <oerheks> launchpad account is not expensive
[07:09] <tomreyn> T3ss: note down or tell me the file name and the timestamp for the last but one most recent boot with the 'splash' option
[07:11] <tomreyn> T3ss: to explain: the latest boot with this option will be the one you just did, where you booted ito lightdm, and without an issue, as far as we know, so we're looking for the one before that
[07:12] <tomreyn> T3ss: you can also just pipe this command into "nc termbin.com 9999" and we can look at it together if you prefer
[07:13] <T3ss> tomreyn: I think I've got it, but I'll share anyway.
 <oerheks> ok thanks, should I wait for; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bionic-changes/2018-July/015544.html
[07:14] <T3ss> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/w2s9
[07:16] <tomreyn> T3ss: so "Jul 13 15:55:49" is the one i guess
[07:17] <tomreyn> T3ss: hmm you're on a newer kerne now, though, i'm wondering why it didnt find those.
[07:17] <tomreyn> T3ss: there should have been a 4.15.0-27-generic line there
[07:18] <T3ss> tomreyn: true...
[07:19] <tomreyn> T3ss: can you run: "uname -r" just to confirm you're running -27 ?
[07:20] <tomreyn> T3ss: also, "Jul 13 16:09:43" is how many hours ago now?
[07:21] <tomreyn> T3ss: it's possbile that it didnt get to write the earlier logs to disk actually. can you pos tthe latest syslog? pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[07:21] <tomreyn> *sudo
[07:21] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
[07:28] <T3ss> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/2hwx
[07:28] <T3ss> tomreyn: sorry for the delay, pastebinit was timing out.
[07:29] <tomreyn> T3ss: oh weird.
[07:30] <tomreyn> T3ss: i'll look at the log for 5-10 minutes, to confirm it's gdm3 that got in the way, and then we can file a bug report?
[07:30] <T3ss> tomreyn: sounds good
[07:33] <tomreyn> T3ss: by the way, there's a firmware update available for this mainboard. it might improve a few things. unfortunately it won't provide mitigation of some of the "spectre"  vulnerabilities for this system, and those wont be available through microcode updates for this (old) cpu either. intel initially said they'd fix those old systems, too, but have since changed their mind.
[07:33] <tomreyn> T3ss: in other words, buy new hardware sometime soon, don't rely on this system too much.
[07:34] <T3ss> tomreyn: for stability or security reasons?
[07:34] <tomreyn> the bios update is at https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-G31M-S2L-rev-10#support-dl-bios (i'd do the beta, if it's the latest available, it's usually stable; you now have F6 06/05/2008)
[07:35] <tomreyn> T3ss: security
[07:35] <tomreyn> an attack could also impact stability, of course. but not so important.
[07:35] <tomreyn> and only locally possible realistically
[07:36] <T3ss> tomreyn: it's mostly just to hold backups, hobbying, and maybe netflix
[07:42] <tomreyn> T3ss: ok, i just wanted to advise you so you won't use *this* computer to prepare disclosure of secret nsa material ;)
[07:43] <T3ss> tomreyn: duly noted *Ctrl C!! Ctrl C!!!*
[07:45] <tomreyn> T3ss: looking at the systemd log for this 'default' boot on the non 'proposed' (but current default, for 18.04) kernel, i don't see anythign that looks like a fatal error to me. it's possible that Xorg.*.log has something about it if we look at a log around Jul 13 15:56:08 - if this still exists.
[07:46] <tomreyn> T3ss: but i suggest you just run "ubuntu-bug gdm3" now and report that you upgraded, that 16.04 worked fine, and what happened on the fully updated 18.04, as well as after enabled -proposed, with gdm3.
[07:46] <tomreyn> and that lightdm worked around it.
[07:47] <T3ss> .tomreyn: I have a Xorg.1.log which is July 13, 17.00
[07:48] <tomreyn> T3ss: that's the last modification time. if you look into it, you should see another timestamp saying when Xorg started, maybe that's around Jul 13 15:56:08 ?
[07:49] <T3ss> tomreyn: k, I'm running the bug report
[07:50] <tomreyn> T3ss: cool, you'll need to have or create a launchpad / ubuntu account to submit it, i'm afraid (it'll guide you).
[07:50] <tomreyn> just sayin, so you can cancel now if that's not an option
[07:50] <roman_Tony> Hey
[07:51] <tomreyn> hi roman_Tony
[07:52] <qwebirc69547> Hi
[07:52] <qwebirc69547> where I can find list of old kernels released for Ubuntu 16.04?
[07:52] <Olorin> HEllo
[07:53] <tomreyn> qwebirc69547: i don't immediately know the answer to this question, but am wondering whether there may be a better approach to take. can you discuss what you'Re trying to achieve?
[07:54] <oerheks> in mainline you find 2.6 - 4.17+ http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[07:55] <T3ss> tomreyn: just waiting for the confirmation email to authorise my account. SOOO many thanks for your help with all of this.
[07:55] <qwebirc69547> we found there is but introduced in Ubuntu 16.04 linux-image-4.4.0-127-generic kernel
[07:55] <tomreyn> T3ss: thanks for posting the bug report and giving others a chance to benefit from the time we spent.
[07:56] <qwebirc69547> regarding iotop and /proc/PID/status
[07:56] <qwebirc69547> So I want to go through each kernel release note , which related after *0-127
[07:57] <qwebirc69547> released after*
[07:58] <john_rambo> I am getting this >>> https://paste2.org/asaPz0Y9 ....while running apt-get update ...Whats the solution ?
[08:00] <dchotas> hey guys, can anyone help me understand if my headphone jack just straight up died? My laptop keeps outputing sound through the speakers even if I plug in my headphones
[08:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc69547: if you are now running the latest ubuntu 4.4.0 kernel, you can look at the changelogs using apt-get changelog linux-image-$(uname -r)
[08:01] <T3ss> tomreyn: what do you think would be a helpful bug summary?
[08:01] <qwebirc83838> Hi. When I want to stop kernel execution with 'echo g > /proc/sysrq-trigger', output says that this sysrq operation is disabled, even though all kernel options that should be enabled are enabled. What's wrong here?
[08:04] <tomreyn> T3ss: intel 82G33/G31 GPU: gdm3 freezes before login, upgraded from 16.04
[08:04] <T3ss> tomreyn: no, this wasn't upgraded. It was a clean 18 install
[08:05] <tomreyn> T3ss: oh, sorry, that's an even better report then
[08:05] <T3ss> 16 was previously installed, but wasn't upgraded
[08:06] <tomreyn> T3ss: maybe this is better then: "18.04 with intel 82G33/G31 GPU: freezes before login, fresh install"
[08:08] <tomreyn> dchotas: if you have another headphone or external speaker witht he same connector, see if this gets output in the same jack.
[08:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc83838: many of the magic sysrq options are disabled by default for security reasons (a physically local attacker could use them to overcome a lock screen, for example)
[08:11] <qwebirc83838> How to enable them, then?
[08:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc83838: see /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf
[08:12] <T3ss> tomreyn: bug reported. #1781550
[08:12] <tomreyn> bug #1781550
[08:13] <T3ss> tomreyn: now to prepare for guests to arrive. Thanks again for your help
[08:13] <tomreyn> T3ss: welcome, see you
[08:13] <qwebirc15269> good morning. I would like to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 but all the guides I'm reading make tell me how to go to the latest version, whereas I need to specify a newer but not the latest - any hints ?
[08:14] <oerheks> qwebirc15269, if you upgrade to 16.04, you would get the lates 16.04.5 ...
[08:15] <oerheks> if you don't want that,. do a fresh install and do not upgrade.
[08:16] <qwebirc15269> sorry, maybe I explained poorly
[08:17] <oerheks> security-wise and bug-wise your demand is odd, yeah
[08:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc15269: since upgrading LTS releases to 18.04 is not yet supported, 16.04.5 IS in fact the latest version you can currently upgrade to, if you follow the LTS upgrade path
[08:17] <qwebirc15269> I was just looking to use do-release-upgrade but only go 14.04 to 16.04 not 18.04
[08:18] <qwebirc15269> although I think tomreyn just gave me the answer
[08:18] <dchotas> tomreyn: I've tried other headphones and external speakers aswell, the sound keeps coming from the laptop speakers
[08:18] <oerheks> 18.04 upgrade path will be available when 18.04.1 is released
[08:18] <dchotas> tomreyn: I've also tried a couple things software wise: force reloading alsa, modprobing all it's sound drivers
[08:18] <oerheks> in 2 weeks, AFAIK
[08:18] <qwebirc15269> perfect ! thanks all
[08:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc15269: run "/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2" and make sure it says "For long-term support releases" on the bottom.
[08:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc15269: then close it and run "update-manager -c"
[08:20] <qwebirc15269> it's console only, but I think I've seen the equivalent check in a guide
[08:21] <tomreyn> qwebirc15269: Prompt=lts in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades; do-release-upgrade
[08:22] <tomreyn> !sound | dchotas see the link in the end:
[08:22] <qwebirc15269> ty tomreyn
[08:24] <qwebirc69547> Thanks . i got released noted by 'apt-get changelog linux-image-$(uname -r)'
[08:25] <tomreyn> dchotas: you could also ask in #alsa (i *think* this exists, if not, check their website for the right channel or use !alis to search it). i rmemeber that i had a similar issue once, and one of the alse developers told me this can happen if the electrical resistence is too low on this jack to surpass the threshold where a  plugged-in device is detected. apparently they have databases for every audio chipset defining these thresholds, and not all
[08:25] <tomreyn> are always dcorrect.
[08:25] <tomreyn> dchotas: but this is just from memory, might not be 100% coirrect.
[08:26] <tomreyn> qwebirc69547: i was a little silly there, you could just have specified "apt-get changelog linux-image-4.4.0-127-generic"
[08:27] <DamBedEi> Hi
[08:29] <tomreyn> hi DamBedEi
[08:30] <aLeSD> hi all
[08:31] <aLeSD> is it possible to have a shorter sidebar ?
[08:31] <dchotas> tomreyn: so this could ahve been caused by an update to alsa?
[08:31] <aLeSD> Something similar to OSX more than a bar that take all the size of the screen ...
[08:34] <tomreyn> dchotas: probably not an update, but mabye an upgrade.
[08:35] <tomreyn> dchotas: i.e. just installing security patches should not introduce such issues.
[09:49] <empedokles78> Hi, is there a viable alternative for filemaker under ubuntu?
[09:51] <oerheks> libre office base perhaps?
[09:52] <jink> empedokles78: What are you looking for, specifically?
[09:53] <empedokles78> jink: I need to print article numbers with product titles (labels).
[09:54] <jink> And those are in FileMaker already?
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> empedokles78: sounds more like calc job
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> !info kexi | empedokles78
[09:57] <empedokles78> jink, no, I have done things like that in filemaker once on mac, it had good printing capabilities.
[09:57] <gebbione> hi, my openssh is v.7.2 ... any way i can upgrade it to 7.3 so Include works?
[09:57] <gebbione> asking because i would expect ubuntu to update it on its own
[09:57] <empedokles78> not sure how I can get calc to print labels.
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> !latest | gebbione
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> empedokles78: you can check the #libreoffice channel mate, they might help you print labels
[10:01] <noodleking> hi
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> noodleking: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[10:02] <noodleking> Is there a good web resource for understanding the networking changes since 16.04?
[10:03] <noodleking> I'm trying to setup a static IP and a LAMP environment, following the generic online tutorial for LAMP but ... the network interface has clearly changed with eth0 nowhere to be found and in its place some emp0s thing.
[10:04] <noodleking> I want to just understand what the changes are, what they mean - if anything - and how to work around them for the purposes of setting up a LAMP dev environment in a VM in windows.
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> noodleking: are you running ubuntu serverN
[10:06] <noodleking> I downloaded ubuntu server, not sure what the N signifies though.
[10:06] <guiverc> noodleking, this may help with the reasoning for eth0 -> .... nic name change (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/)
[10:06] <empedokles78> lotuspsychje, what would you recommend? kexi or calc?
[10:06] <noodleking> thanks guiverc, I'll have a read of that.
[10:13] <guiverc> empedokles78, the best is probably a personal preference; kexi is from the calligra suite, calc is from libreoffice...
[10:25] <Gabe_H_Coud> hey guys, how can I prevent a non-sudo users SFTP access to only a single folder - i.e. I dont want them to be able to download other files from other folders
[10:27] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: sudo and SFTP don't have anything in common. To prevent a user with some uid/gid to access a folder, the folder must not be readable and "executable" for that uid and gid.
[10:29] <Gabe_H_Coud> Blackflow: thanks! Is there a way to apply read and exec permissions to ALL folders/files for a given user without affecting other users?
[10:31] <empedokles78> guiverc, thanks. the openoffice way so far seems not very intuitive (seriesletter-assistant).
[10:31] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: not sure I understand what you're asking, what does "for a given user" means? you apply modes to directories, optionally in a recursive fashion, or using `find` to filter files/dirs in that hierarchy.
[10:33] <Gabe_H_Coud> blackflow he is the scenario: I need to give a dev front-end access only to 2 folders. However, With filezilla, the user can currently browse all the other folders and though they cant alter them, they can download the files/folders to their local devices.
[10:33] <Gabe_H_Coud> here*
[10:39] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: SFTP access is FTP over ssh. It means it's using SSH mechanics for accessing the system. which means when a user logs in, they're usually "starting" with their home directory. So all dirs/files in it, and _below_, would be accessible. If you want to prevent access to and dir, in _that_ hierarchy (below the "starting dir"), you must use directory permissions.
[10:39] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: if however you're talking about accessing dirs _outside_ the "starting directory", then you must apply ssh chrooting for that user.
[10:40] <blackflow> typically, users should have full access to their home dirs and all in it, chrooted so they don't access anything outside it.
[10:40] <hgec13009> e
[10:40] <hgec13009> hei
[10:40] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: s/to and dir/to files and dirs/
[10:42] <tomreyn> this sounds like the users' sftp access is currently too wide. you should instead setup an stfp chroot, restricting this users' sftp access to their home directory (and its subdirectories) only. and optionally bind-mount additional directories into their home directory so that they can accesss this, too.
[10:44] <Gabe_H_Coud> blackflow thanks a lot mate! looking into chroot now!
[10:44] <Gabe_H_Coud> tomereyn thats exactly what I am trying to do
[10:44] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: check ChrootDirectory directive of sshd_config manpage, it explains everything.
[10:44] <Gabe_H_Coud> tomreyn**
[10:45] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: note however that when you chroot a user like that, they will only be able to access that system via SFTP, but not through regular SSH. For regular SSH you'll need to do bind some devices and shells in their chroot
[10:45] <Gabe_H_Coud> blackflow: nothing with Chroot currently exists - I guess thats why
[10:46] <Gabe_H_Coud> blackflow: thats fine. for this specific user no ssh access will be required, purely SFTP
[10:46] <blackflow> yeah by default ssh users have full system access (subject to regular permissions of course)
[10:47] <tomreyn> bind mount: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198590/what-is-a-bind-mount
[10:48] <empedokles78> Is this the newest libreoffice for my 16.04 LTS?: Version: 5.1.6.2
[10:48] <empedokles78> Build-ID: 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial3
[10:49] <tomreyn> !info libreoffice xenial
[10:50] <oerheks> 6.0 is available https://snapcraft.io/libreoffice
[10:50] <tomreyn> empedokles78: yes, unless you'll use the snap or ppas
[10:50] <tomreyn> !ppa
[10:51] <empedokles78> tomreyn, they told me it's quite old in the libreoffice channel. do you recommend 6.0?
[10:52] <tomreyn> empedokles78: i never used 6.0, so could not comment.
[10:52] <oerheks> ppa is newer that snap, https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial
[10:52] <blackflow> between snap and PPA, I'd definitely recommend the snap.
[10:52] <oerheks> but i would choose snap, *if* you need 6.x
[10:53] <blackflow> don't mess with your global filesystem namespace with PPAs. use snaps if possible, and from verified vendors like Canonical.
[10:53] <empedokles78> oerheks, what is a snap?
[10:53] <blackflow> (always make sure you check WHO is supplying a snap, as _ANYONE_ can do it)
[10:54] <oerheks> snaps and flatpack are the newer software channels
[10:55] <oerheks> some packages are already as standard in softwarecenter too
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:56] <empedokles78> oerheks, snaps are listed in softwarecenter?
[10:56] <blackflow> they're not just channels, they're a completely novel containerized software delivery method, complete wiht security implications of such an approach, especially given that anyone can publish a snap.
[10:56] <oerheks> there is no filter for snaps only, but yes, it is mentioned in the description AFAIK
[10:56] <blackflow> and there's STILL no bot factoid for snaps....
[10:57] <oerheks> blackflow, suggest one :-)
[10:58] <empedokles78> Software center lists a 6.0.5.2 stable for libre office, is that that snap?
[10:58] <blackflow> oerheks: I did, several times now
[10:58] <blackflow> oerheks: I wonder if I should open a bug report instead of doing it through the bot
[10:59] <oerheks> empedokles78, read the details at the end.. i am not on 16.04, so cannot see what you see
[11:01] <empedokles78> It only states: "LibreOffice is a powerful office suite – its clean interface and feature-rich tools help you unleash your creativity and enhance your productivity. LibreOffice includes several applications that make it the most powerful Free and Open Source office suite on the market: Writer (word processing), Calc (spreadsheets), Impress (presentations), Draw (vector graphics and flowcharts), Base (databases), and Mat
[11:01] <empedokles78> h (formula editing)." Developer: Canonical and it's a newer version than the snap linked to.
[11:03] <oerheks> odd indeed, info on the site is outdated
[11:04] <blackflow> that's why I prefer good old always up to date command line tools.   `snap info libreoffice` ftw ;)
[11:05] <oerheks> but i see 6.04 on 17.10 :-D
[11:05] <Wicardo> guys
[11:05] <Wicardo> need help
[11:05] <empedokles78> channels:
[11:05] <empedokles78>   stable:    6.0.4.2 (65) 479MB -
[11:05] <empedokles78>   candidate: 6.0.5.2 (67) 480MB -
[11:05] <empedokles78>   beta:      ↑
[11:05] <empedokles78>   edge:      ↑
[11:06] <Wicardo> Since i updated my ubuntu 18.04 i cant connect to wifi
[11:06] <empedokles78> so ubuntu softwarecenter is putting a wrong stable lable for this?
[11:06] <oerheks> see. candidate is not 'stable'..
[11:07] <empedokles78> can i "snap install" it somehow?
[11:07] <Wicardo> I guess the drivers are installed but the settings say that the wifi adapter is turned off
[11:07] <empedokles78> the stable one.
[11:07] <oerheks> yes, click on it in softwarecenter :-)
[11:08] <blackflow> empedokles78: yea, `sudo snap install libreoffice`
[11:08] <Wicardo> Guys?
[11:09] <blackflow> !patience | Wicardo
[11:09] <Wicardo> kk
[11:09] <empedokles78> blackflow, thanks a lot, found it on the snap site in the meantime.
[11:09] <empedokles78> so ppas times are counted?
[11:11] <oerheks> if one would publish for other linux distros too, there is a choise
[11:11] <oerheks> snap, flatpack, and there are more ( and older)
[11:14] <deem> Wicardo: Is there a killswitch? Like a hardware button to press or a switch to flip? Is the adapter enable in bios?
[11:17] <Wicardo> deem: Its a laptop
[11:18] <empedokles78> After installing that 6.0 libreoffice, do I need to restart and my old icons will be link to the newer version?
[11:18] <Wicardo> And it world fine after I install ubuntu from a live usb yesterday...Only after i updated it that the problems started occuring
[11:21] <deem> Wicardo: That doesn't answer my question
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Wicardo, read what deem posted above
[11:23] <Wicardo> Well there is no killswitch
[11:23] <Wicardo> and also it works fine with Windows
[11:23] <Wicardo> so i doubt it is a bios issue
[11:23] <tomreyn> what does "rfkill list" report?
[11:24] <Wicardo> only the bluetooth
[11:24] <BluesKaj> doubt isn't certainty
[11:24] <tomreyn> so it lists nothing about wireless at all?
[11:24] <Wicardo> nope
[11:25] <Wicardo> BluesKaj: I will check BIOS as a last resort
[11:25] <Wicardo> if nothing works
[11:25] <deem> If it's not listed at all, it could be disable via BIOS or there is no driver installed, which is mostly not common
[11:25] <tomreyn> Wicardo: whats the output of: lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:27] <deem> tomreyn: Aren't those wifi controllers connected to the pci controller?
[11:27] <Wicardo> http://termbin.com/iqjh
[11:27] <tomreyn> deem: maybe :)
[11:27] <tomreyn> Wicardo: whats the output of: lcpci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:28] <tomreyn> Wicardo: whats the output of: lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:28] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[11:29] <Wicardo> http://termbin.com/y208
[11:29] <tomreyn> 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
[11:29] <Wicardo> yes
[11:30] <oerheks> ah, combo: BCM43142 is an adapter for both WiFi and Bluetooth
[11:30] <Wicardo> When i go into additional drivers it already says that its already using the drives
[11:30] <Wicardo> *drivers
[11:31] <deem> Urgs, seems like no fun with this adapter
[11:31] <deem> https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
[11:32] <Wicardo> Let me check that out
[11:32] <Wicardo> Thanks :)
[11:32] <deem> Wicardo: I would recommend as first step to simply disable and enable the adapter. Maybe it helps
[11:33] <deem> That's also an possibl solution form the link
[11:33] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source & reboot
[11:35] <Wicardo> oerheks: I already tried that
[11:36] <Wicardo> I dont have a dedicated button to turn the adapter off
[11:36] <tomreyn> brcmfmac states "BCM4366  14e4:4365  Queued for 4.6+" https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211#supported_chips
[11:36] <Wicardo> is there a specifc command for it?
[11:36] <oerheks> most laptops have FN key + F1-F12 for extra options
[11:36] <oerheks> often in blue
[11:37] <Wicardo> I have a airplane mode button
[11:37] <Wicardo> but not for wlan
[11:37] <deem> Airplane mode should be fine
[11:37] <Wicardo> Okay lemme see
[11:38] <tomreyn> firmware https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/commit/?id=52442afee9907bc32a058f22bb3295d040677c26
[11:38] <Wicardo> airplane mode didnt work
[11:39] <tomreyn> firmware is in "linux-firmware" package.
[11:40] <tomreyn> Wicardo: i suggest you show logs. dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:40] <adamretter_> I have a 18.04 LTS server that won't boot from Disk. I am trying to use the live-server ISO to run a rescue, but I can't find the rescue mode anymore in the boot options? any ideas/
[11:41] <Wicardo> http://termbin.com/nlzn
[11:42] <tomreyn> adamretter_: use the non "live" server or desktop image.
[11:42] <guiverc> adamretter_, i didn't think the 18.04 server had a 'live' mode; i thought only desktop isos had it
[11:42] <adamretter_> @tomreyn okay I have a desktop image here too, let me try...
[11:42] <tomreyn> guiverc: it's the default now
[11:43] <adamretter_> @guiverc the ISO for the 18.04 server is named ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[11:43] <adamretter_> tomreyn: where do I find the non "live" server ISO? I can't seem to find it anywhere?
[11:44] <tomreyn> adamretter_: where you found the live image, clicking on the link on the top of the page
[11:44] <guiverc> :)  thanks tom, adam
[11:44] <empedokles78> wenn ich libreoffice 6.0 über snap installiert habe. kann ich die alten icons (die immer noch auf 5.0 linken) aktualisieren?
[11:44] <empedokles78> oder sollte ich 5.0 einfach komplett von der platte löschen?
[11:44] <tomreyn> !de | empedokles78
[11:44] <adamretter_> @guiverc http://ubuntu.mirrors.ovh.net/releases/bionic/
[11:44] <adamretter_> tomreyn: sorry I meant - http://ubuntu.mirrors.ovh.net/releases/bionic/
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Wicardo, FWIW maybe this will help https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/broadcom-sta-source
[11:45] <empedokles78> oops, sorry. can I remove libreoffice 5.0 from my pc after installing 6.0?
[11:46] <Wicardo> How do i install those
[11:46] <Wicardo> ??
[11:46] <empedokles78> cause libreoffice icons are still linking to version 5.0.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> !ppa | Wicardo
[11:47] <tomreyn> adamretter_: http://ubuntu.mirrors.ovh.net/releases/bionic/HEADER.html -> "alternative images location." -> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/
[11:48] <tomreyn> adamretter_: this mirror wouldnt show the directory index as the main mirrors would
[11:48] <adamretter_> tomreyn: so I saw that, but as it was a smaller file I had dismissed it - will try it now
[11:48] <tomreyn> adamretter_: .. sory you couldnt see those links
[11:50] <adamretter_> tomreyn: so I just tried the live desktop image as well - from that I also can't seem to access a rescue mode
[11:50] <tomreyn> Wicardo: if you look at the bottom of your dmesg (kernel log), i.e. what you posted, you see repeating messages related to bluetooth. this is not normal, indicates malfunction. since you have a combo chipset (bluetooth + wireless) i suspect that the malfunction of the bluetooth driver prevents detection + operation of the wireless one.
[11:51] <oerheks> empedokles78, sure, apt remove libre* would wipe 5.0
[11:51] <Wicardo> maybe it is because i have been trying all these fixes off the intrnet?
[11:52] <adamretter_> tomreyn: okay cool thanks that server cdimage you pointed me at has the Rescue Mode
[11:52] <tomreyn> adamretter_: welcome :)
[11:53] <blackflow> empedokles78: don't use wildcards!!
[11:53] <blackflow> oerheks: don't recommend wildcards!!
[11:53] <amosbird> Hi, is there any other tools that can monitor network bandwidth per process instead of nethogs?
[11:54] <tomreyn> Wicardo: hmm could be. depends on what you did. :)
[11:54] <oerheks> blackflow, or should it be libreoffice* ?
[11:55] <blackflow> NO wildcards :)
[11:55] <blackflow> libre* will wipe out halfa system, btw
[11:55] <oerheks> just libreoffice does not remove it all
[11:55] <tomreyn> Wicardo: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198699#c11 is probably going to fix it
[11:56] <empedokles78> blackflow, "apt remove libreoffice/xenial-updates,xenial-security 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial3 amd64 && libreoffice/xenial 1:5.1.2-0ubuntu1 amd64" ?
[11:57] <tomreyn> [Fri Jul 13 14:31:31 2018] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM.hcd failed with error -2
[11:57] <tomreyn> [Fri Jul 13 14:31:31 2018] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM.hcd not found
[11:57] <oerheks> empedokles78,  how do you get those name, libreoffice/xenial-updates etc ??
[11:57] <tomreyn> ^ matching bluetooth firmware files not found as discussed in the bug tracker.
[11:58] <blackflow> empedokles78: no. either name all the libreoffice-... packages individually, or use a wildcard CAREFULLY.     apt remove libreoffice libreoffice-*          and check that's really all that's being removed.
[11:59] <blackflow> empedokles78: auto dependencies will be separately listed, and those are okay to be removed. check the explicit list under "The following packages will be REMOVED:"
[11:59] <hans_> ubuntu's pastebinit can't paste php scripts
[11:59] <hans_> echo "<?php echo 1;" | pastebinit          fails
[12:00] <hans_> it just returns "http://paste.ubuntu.com/"
[12:00] <hans_> nothing else
[12:00] <empedokles78> oerheks, apt list libreoffice -a
[12:00] <empedokles78> blackflow, this were the two packages it did list.
[12:01] <Gabe_H_Coud> just wanted to say a massive thank you to blackflow and tomreyn - your help and guidance has been much appreciated!
[12:02] <blackflow> empedokles78: dpkg -l libreoffice* | grep -P "^ii "   -- that will list what's installed of libreoffice* packages
[12:02] <blackflow> Gabe_H_Coud: you're welcome :)
[12:02] <adamretter_> So when trying to reinstall grub, I get the error: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[12:03] <tomreyn> Gabe_H_Coud: :)
[12:04] <Guest9103> Hi, any ideas how we can logg access to a system? We're required to do so for 5 years, and that would indicate SSH logins primarily, but also access to MySQL without having to store everything since 5 years of logs are a lot
[12:04] <Guest9103> Sure I can run a cronjob that greps the auth's from syslog, but that is a nasty solution
[12:05] <empedokles78> blackflow, yields this: https://dpaste.de/Bq8y
[12:05] <blackflow> empedokles78: also, when working wiht * on the command line, better put that whole name in quotes, eg.    dpkg -l 'libreoffice*',   as * has special meaning on the shell
[12:06] <blackflow> empedokles78: I believe removing   libreoffice-core   will pull out all other libreoffice packages. alternatively, you could use the wilcard, but carefully, like I mentioned above.    apt remove libreoffice libreoffice-*
[12:07] <tomreyn> hans_: use singlw quotes to prevent shell expansion
[12:07] <empedokles78> blackflow, so which command do I have to use to not interfer with the 6.0 snap? :)
[12:07] <tomreyn> hans_: okay, ignore me, doesnt help
[12:07] <empedokles78> or should I better use softwarecenter?
[12:07] <blackflow> empedokles78: apt deals with .deb packages. snap deals with snaps.
[12:08] <hans_> tomreyn, sure, but that isn't the problem here, echo '<?php echo 1;' | pastebinit  doesn't work either
[12:08] <blackflow> empedokles78: I don't use software center because it blurrs the difference between the two, and I think it's very important to know where your packages are coming from. plus, command line is more versatile and more informative.
[12:08] <tomreyn> hans_: right, apparently it can't handle text starting with <
[12:09] <dreamcat4> hey there. i was wondering about these new snaps... if there is a snap available, and i 'apt-get install' the package instead of using the snap directly, will it automatically use the snap anyway under the hood?
[12:09] <dreamcat4> on 19.04
[12:09] <hans_> tomreyn, let me guess, some dev didn't know how to escape < , and decided the best course of action was to simply block <  ?
[12:09] <dreamcat4> *18.04
[12:09] <tomreyn> hans_: echo '<?php echo 1;' | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:10] <tomreyn> hans_: i don't know, but you can inspect the source code.
[12:10] <oerheks> dreamcat4, no, apt install and snap install are isolated
[12:10] <empedokles78> blackflow, so "apt remove libreoffice-core" should do what I want?
[12:10] <dreamcat4> thanks for the answer oerheks
[12:10]  * hans_ wonders how termbin deals with random portscanners
[12:10] <blackflow> empedokles78: I am guessing it will (being, eh, the core dependency for other libreoffice packages). you can always check with dpkg -l 'libreoffice*' if something still remained around.
[12:11] <dreamcat4> (however i'm not entirely sure what i should do now)
[12:11] <blackflow> empedokles78: I'm guessing it will remove ALL the libreoffice packages, yes.
[12:11] <dreamcat4> i ask on golang which is best to install (the snap or apt pkg) but they dont seem to care
[12:11] <hans_> tomreyn, do you know if there's an open bug for `pastebinit can't handle < `  ?
[12:11] <empedokles78> blackflow, why not "apt remove libreoffice"?
[12:11] <blackflow> dreamcat4: I'd say use the default distro packages unless you need something specific from the snap'd version
[12:12] <oerheks> dreamcat4, out apt packages are tested, with snaps you trust the publisher, if that is canonical, it would be the same
[12:12] <oerheks> c/out/our
[12:12] <hans_> tomreyn, (and for the record, it's weird, both debian and fedora pastebinit handles <  without problems, seems to be an ubuntu-specific issue)
[12:12] <blackflow> empedokles78: because 'libreoffice' is a metapackage, the installation of which pulls in others (as its deps) but removal of which doesn't remove those deps
[12:12] <blackflow> empedokles78: I mean you can remove 'libreoffice' but it won't pull out the other libreoffice-... ones
[12:13] <empedokles78> blackflow, not sure what you mean. :)
[12:14] <blackflow> empedokles78: 'libreoffice' depends on, say, 'libreoffice-writer', but libreoffice-writer doesn't depend on libreoffice.  it's a metapackage, designed to pull in the entire suite with single command
[12:14] <safiyyah> hi all, need help accessing an encrypted home folder from a live disk
[12:14] <tomreyn> hans_: i do not know if there's an open bug for `pastebinit can't handle < `. i know that bug reports are filed and can be searched on https://launchpad.net
[12:14] <blackflow> empedokles78: so if you install libreoffice, it will pul ITS dependencies. removing it will NOT remove its dependencies
[12:15] <ioria> hans_, 'PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed'
[12:15] <blackflow> empedokles78: that's why you have to remove them all individually, or use a wilcard CAREFULLY, like I've shown you above.
[12:15] <blackflow> (or cheat with libreoffice-core, assuming it's a dependency for all others which will then be pulled out automatically, because of that)
[12:15] <empedokles78> blackflow, but I want to delete the whole libreoffice 5.0.
[12:16] <blackflow> empedokles78: exactly.
[12:16] <hans_> ioria, if that's the case, then pastebinit should print such an error, but it just literally prints "http://paste.ubuntu.com/"
[12:16] <ioria> hans_, it prints nothing
[12:17] <dreamcat4> ok i guess it doesnt really matter then... i'll try the snaps
[12:17] <blackflow> empedokles78: Libreoffice is a SUITE of several packages, you see. one package 'libreoffice' pulls them all IN on installation of it, but removing it will remove just the 'libreoffice' metapackage, it will not remove all the individual ones. with me so far?
[12:18] <tomreyn> ioria: i got the same output as hans_ when i run: echo '<?php echo 1;' | pastebinit     # that's on 16.04
[12:18] <tomreyn> hans_: so file a bug report if there's not one already.
[12:18] <blackflow> dreamcat4: this one?  https://snapcraft.io/go
[12:18] <dreamcat4> interestingly the go snap is maintained by 'mwhudson' at ubuntu.com
[12:19] <ioria> tomreyn, yes, it's not allowed
[12:19] <dreamcat4> rather than being listed as 'official'
[12:19] <dreamcat4> but if he works at ubuntu, maybe that doesn't really matter much
[12:19] <blackflow> dreamcat4: that's what I wanted to pooint at. I have no idea who that is. If you don't know either, be skeptical.
[12:19] <blackflow> we already had malware in snaps because anyone can create a snap
[12:19] <dreamcat4> blackflow: yeah that one
[12:19] <tomreyn> ioria: right, i understanmd so much
[12:20] <ioria> tomreyn, go to paste.ubuntu.com, paste a php script and you'll get '    PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed'
[12:20] <hans_> ioria, it certainly returns something (that weird url) for me: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/37110417_2122333631130136_9207661793810317312_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fd3e7d28717ed26925b4db394264a23c&oe=5BCFAC20
[12:20] <dreamcat4> ok but his email is '@ubuntu.com'
[12:20] <tomreyn> ioria: i did ;)
[12:20] <empedokles78> blackflow, okay, a bit complicated for deinstallations over the cmd then. let me try your command.
[12:20] <oerheks> dreamcat4, no, i think he is independant, but surely a golang packager/maintainer https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go1.8-for-snaps
[12:20] <blackflow> dreamcat4: it's on you to decide whom to trust. I just want to point out be careful which snaps you install.
[12:21] <empedokles78> core
[12:21] <oerheks> dreamcat4, oh wait, he is with canonical, in NZ
[12:21] <dreamcat4> ok thanks. i think i'm good then for this one
[12:22] <dreamcat4> it does make me wonder though... about all those other snaps on the ubuntu store. if some of the more questionable ones could be suspect
[12:22] <oerheks> i am more a python guy, so sad to read Guido van Rossum , mister Python, stops .. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
[12:23] <empedokles78> blackflow, that says: https://dpaste.de/JV3u is it just because of not putting sudo in it?
[12:23] <blackflow> empedokles78: ja
[12:25] <ioria> tomreyn, btw, you just remove '<? 'and it works , so not a big deal
[12:26] <hans_> it certainly makes the pastebinit command unreliable
[12:26] <ioria> really ?
[12:26] <hans_> if you can't guarantee that a file you want to pastebinit doesn't start with "<?", you gotta open the file and check it before you can safely paste it..
[12:27] <ioria> ye, exactly
[12:27] <hans_> thus, unreliable
[12:28] <ioria> ok
[12:28] <empedokles78> blackflow, just to prevent a major disaster: https://dpaste.de/OzQ5 :)
[12:29] <raidghost> Getting a message often: Jul 13 13:25:07 mediabox kernel: [148245.067418] swapper/4: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0x1080020(GFP_ATOMIC), nodemask=(null)
[12:29] <blackflow> empedokles78: that looks okay.   you also have stuff to autoremove, so you could additionally   'apt autoremove'
[12:29] <hans_> ioria, in any case, when it just returning the pastebin web url (as it does for me), or returning nothing at all (which it alledgedly does for you), it certainly lacks some error reporting
[12:29] <raidghost> The network stopped respond and had some time before it went on to respond again
[12:30] <hans_> also, the return value is 0
[12:30] <blackflow> empedokles78: when that's done, check with that dpkg -l 'libreoffice*'  command if any packages remain 'ii'  (installed), then apt remove them individually
[12:30] <hans_> guess it should have been 1 or something
[12:30] <ioria> hans_, sorry, when i said 'prints nothing',i meant 'http://paste.ubuntu.com/'
[12:31] <hans_> oh oki
[12:31] <blackflow> raidghost: looks like swap is having trouble. posibly hardware issues. anything else in the logs around that time, something indicating disk trouble?
[12:32] <raidghost> blackflow: I was told that since i have 64GB of ram. and the system is on SSD (It was not recommanded) to make swap partiton on the SSD
[12:33] <blackflow> raidghost: I hope you have good backups. when SSDs start having trouble, they tend to die abruptly and catastrophically (all or nothing)
[12:34] <blackflow> .... assuming of course that's what it is. but you should really check the logs around the time of that swapper error, see if anything disk related is logged
[12:34] <raidghost> blackflow: all my stuff is on raid (7200RPM drives)
[12:36] <empedokles78> blackflow, plenty: https://dpaste.de/ZTXY
[12:37] <blackflow> empedokles78: no, I see just a few.  please pastebin   dpkg -l 'libreoffice*' | grep -P '^ii '
[12:37] <Haris> how to get php 7.2 on xenial ?
[12:38] <ppf> !info php xenial
[12:38] <ppf> either using a ppa or rolling it from source
[12:39] <blackflow> !crosspost | Haris
[12:39] <Haris> I see
[12:39] <Haris> I thought the server community had separate contributors
[12:39] <blackflow> not necessariy
[12:40] <hans_> Haris, anyway, i use https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/
[12:40] <Haris> my gOOgle search says its possible through ppa. any native methods ?
[12:40] <blackflow> that PPA is often recommended yes.
[12:41] <hans_> Haris, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt install php7.2-whatever-you-use (-cli / -fpm / modphp ? )
[12:41] <empedokles78> blackflow, what does dpkg?: https://dpaste.de/WuOw
[12:42] <hans_> Haris, define "native methods"
[12:42] <Haris> ubuntu repos', universe, non-ppa
[12:42] <Haris> updates
[12:43] <blackflow> Haris: mind the warning about the PPAs tho
[12:43] <blackflow> !ppa | Haris
[12:44] <hans_> Haris, well, if you upgrade to ubuntu 18.10-prerelease, you probably get php 7.2
[12:44] <Haris> I can't do that untill bionic or its repos'/pkgs are stable enough for production
[12:44] <blackflow> 18.10? don't recommend installing that yet.
[12:44] <tomreyn> !info php7.2 bionic
[12:45] <hans_> oh neat, it's in the repos already
[12:45] <ioria> tomreyn, you never  annoy . my fault not being accurate in reporting my output
[12:46] <Haris> # sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php ; sudo apt-get update
[12:46] <Haris> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[12:46] <Haris> yes, but some others are not
[12:46] <tomreyn> ioria: ;) thanks.
[12:46] <ioria> ok
[12:46] <oerheks> apt-add ..
[12:46] <Haris> ?
[12:48] <blackflow> empedokles78: see if removing libreoffice-common pulls out those remaining 6 too. or just.... apt remove 'libreoffice-*'   (carefully, and check the list of packages that will be removed)
[12:48] <oerheks> Haris, it needs software-properties-common, not sure why that is not installed on xenial
[12:48] <Haris> this is a fresh install from amazon ami
[12:48] <Haris> of xenial
[12:49] <tomreyn> Haris: whats the exact name of the ami you installed?
[12:50] <Haris> the default one for xenial
[12:50] <empedokles78> blackflow, "Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[12:50] <empedokles78>   libreoffice-common libreoffice-l10n-de libreoffice-l10n-en-gb libreoffice-l10n-en-za
[12:50] <empedokles78>   libreoffice-style-breeze libreoffice-style-galaxy libreoffice-style-human
[12:50] <empedokles78> 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 7 zu entfernen und 36 nicht aktualisiert.
[12:50] <empedokles78> "
[12:50] <empedokles78> 7?
[12:51] <tomreyn> !paste | empedokles78
[12:51] <Haris> 16-server based HVM instance AMI from amazon aws
[12:51] <Haris> ireland
[12:51] <zub> Hi. A coworker is running Ubuntu 17.10. And after a recent update network stopped working. There is no network icon in the upper-right indicator (or what is that, next to volume, battery in the upper right corner of the screen). The wired network config part seems also gone from settings (Settings/Network/Wired - the whole wired section is not there). nmcli shows that the network connections (there are 2 wired connections, as there are 2 ethernet cards) exist 
[12:51] <zub> ncmli con up if 'Wired connection 1' says: Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection.
[12:51] <blackflow> empedokles78: yes 7. libreoffice-common PLUS "those remaining 6  too". 6+1=7 yup.
[12:51] <zub> any idea of what has happened/how to solve this?
[12:52] <zub> nm-connection-editor shows the connections too. We even tried adding a new eth. connection and activating the new one. Still the same issue.
[12:52] <empedokles78> blackflow, https://dpaste.de/B2sy some unfound dirs. but the packages seem removed.
[12:53] <zub> I also looked inside /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections at the config of the connections and it seems OK - as far as I can tell
[12:53] <blackflow> empedokles78: I guess that's it then.
[12:54] <qwebirc27634> Hi I got a problem with my wifi on ubuntu...
[12:54] <blackflow> zub: gnome and NM can be flaky sometimes. shouldn't be needed, but perhaps reboot would fix it?
[12:55] <tomreyn> Haris: thanks. this is probably https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud then.
[12:55] <empedokles78> blackflow, thanks a lot.
[12:55] <blackflow> (as much as it pains me to recommend reboot to fix post-update things, go blame gnome :)  )
[12:55] <tomreyn> Haris: ... so not default 'ubuntu server', i assume.
[12:55] <blackflow> empedokles78: you're welcome. and if those icon problems persist, see if removing and reinstalling the snap fixes it.
[12:56] <zub> blackflow: reboot doesn't help :(
[12:56] <zub> the situation persists
[12:56] <zub> I'm especially puzzled by the whole wired section disappearing
[12:57] <zub> for now the corowker does "sudo dhclient <eth if name>" to work around... but that's ugly
[12:57] <ppf> anything in /etc/netplan/
[12:57] <blackflow> zub: can you pastebin the output of     journalctl -p err     ?
[12:57] <zub> I tried to reproduce by installing 17.10 in a VM but there it works
[12:57] <blackflow> zub: and also    journalctl -u NetworkManager.service
[12:57] <empedokles78> blackflow, they are gone. the only problem is that the snap version dialogue won't show my personal directory. It displays "65" next to the house (home).
[12:58] <ppf> zub: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1638842
[12:58] <qwebirc27634> Hi guys.  I'll explain: I installed some gnome personalization extantion on Ubuntu to show the wifi network info in the top bar. Well, now after a variable amount of time (10-120 minutes) the wpa_supplicant crashes and gets "unavailable" in the wifi GUI. running "service wpa_supplicant start" as root fixes it but it's pretty annoying. Other linux distros work flawlessly. So Either I reinstall, which is boooring, or I was hoping 
[12:58] <ppf> could be that
[12:59] <blackflow> empedokles78: possible, I don't know. snaps are isolated environments and depending on how they're defined, they may or may not have access to your ~/  home.
[13:00] <empedokles78> okay, but that's another question for another time. :)
[13:00] <blackflow> empedokles78: maybe you just need to connec the :home interface?   more info here:  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/advanced-snap-usage#3
[13:01] <zub> blackflow: not much interesting here, except perhaps for Jul 13 01:11:31 ubuntu NetworkManager[772]: ((src/devices/nm-device.c:1452)): assertion '<dropped>' failed
[13:02] <zub> and indeed, it sort of behaves as if network manager decided to not manage any of the eth cards, so I'll see what the ticket linked by ppf suggests
[13:02] <zub> I have to day it works OK until a recent regular update (and as it's not my PC, I don't know all the details)
[13:02] <ppf> zub: the bug is essentially a miscommunication between netplan and NM
[13:02] <zub> what is netplan?
[13:02] <blackflow> zub: is tehre anything in /etc/netplan/*  and does the supposedly one file there say renderer: NetworkManager   ?
[13:03] <blackflow> zub: it's the new network configuration abstraction layer present in ubuntu since 17.10
[13:03] <ppf> zub: it's a networking configuration layer
[13:03] <blackflow> zub: more info https://netplan.io/
[13:04] <blackflow> !netplan | ah there's a factoid
[13:04] <zub> there is 1 file in /etc/netplan, says version: 2, renderer: NetworkManager
[13:04] <zub> so that seems OK
[13:05] <ppf> zub: !paste please
[13:07] <zub> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WNdGj8T3H3/
[13:08] <blackflow> zub: what about /etc/network/interfaces  ? anything other than lo?
[13:08] <zub> nope, and also nothing in interfaces.d
[13:08] <ppf> zub: that looks okay
[13:08] <adamretter_> So on a Ubuntu 18.04 host, using vmbuilder and virsh I am unable to boot a kvm Ubuntu 18.04 server. It hangs at Booting from hard disk. Is this a known problem?
[13:08] <zub> perhaps nmcli device might be useful
[13:08] <ppf> next step is checking the configurations in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d and /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/
[13:08] <zub> to show if nm actually thinks it manages the interfaces
[13:09] <ppf> whether the device is unmanaged
[13:09] <Haris> oerheks: how to install it on xenial ?
[13:10] <slipttees> Hi guys
[13:10] <slipttees> i try lockpref proxy settings for all users so appers "Failed to read the configuration file. Please contact your system administrator"
[13:10] <Haris> add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[13:10] <slipttees> create mozilla.cfg in /usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref
[13:10] <slipttees> and custom.js /usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref
[13:10] <Haris> # add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[13:10] <Haris> -su: add-apt-repository: command not found
[13:10] <anli> How do I know which css selectors I can use in when styling gtk?
[13:10] <ppf> Haris: apt install software-properties-common
[13:11] <TommyOne> Hello :-)
[13:11] <zub> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8BJGK6yR37/ so nm does think it does not manage this
[13:11] <slipttees> Haris: install software-properties-common to add-apt-repository works
[13:11] <Haris> got it. done =)
[13:12] <slipttees> Haris: :-)
[13:12] <ppf> zub: okay, check why in the conf.d dirs
[13:12] <slipttees> any help me, offtopic rsrs
[13:13] <zub> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZW9T995VXZ/ nothing interesting there
[13:13] <ppf> zub: there's another one in /usr/lib/NetworkManager/
[13:13] <zub> ppf: thanks, let's see
[13:13] <slipttees> i don't understand this new settings
[13:14] <slipttees> i try lockpref proxy settings for all users so appers "Failed to read the configuration file. Please contact your system administrator"
[13:14] <slipttees> :/
[13:14] <blackflow> !patience | slipttees
[13:14] <slipttees> blackflow: ok bro. Sorry
[13:15] <blackflow> slipttees: also please don't call me (or anyone actually) bro, thanks.
[13:16] <zub> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rTw9D9W9Nm/ the
[13:16] <zub> 10-globally-managed-devices.conf looks interesting
[13:16] <slipttees> 0_o
[13:16] <ppf> yeah, maybe try and throw in an except:type:ethernet in there
[13:17] <zub> ppf: I don't know details about the matching here, but that seems like this would really make ethernet interfaces unmanaged
[13:17] <zub> ppf: I'll try, thanks
[13:17] <TommyOne> im struggling since 2 days to install gvfs1.30.4-1 from debian.org on lubuntu. is there any easier way to install dsc-files from their site maybe with GUI?
[13:20] <ppf> why not use the deb
[13:21] <blackflow> zub: please let us know if that fixed it.
[13:21] <zub> ppf: still unmanaged, huh. we changed unmanaged-devices to: unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:wwan,except:type:ethernet
[13:21] <ppf> did you reboot
[13:22] <zub> that is after restarting network manager but not rebooting
[13:22] <TommyOne> its not working for me when i add a deb src into sources.list >Malformed entry 1 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list (Component)
[13:22] <zub> ok, he's rebooting
[13:23] <tomreyn> TommyOne: mixing apt sources of debian and (l)ubuntu is a bad idea.
[13:23] <blackflow> ppf: zub: is taht file even needed on a desktop these days? bionic's NM doesn't have it fwiw
[13:23] <tomreyn> TommyOne: why weould you do this?
[13:23] <TommyOne> @tomreyn: uh didnt know, im kinda new to lx
[13:23] <tomreyn> TommyOne: it's a good recipe to hose your system, so dont ;)
[13:24] <TommyOne> i have to replace my gvfs 1.28.x into 1.30.4-1 cause i cant mount usb drive
[13:24] <zub> so, reboot and still unmanaged. the file /usr/lib/NetworkManager/10-globally-managed-devices.conf is there. afaik this is 17.10 desktop installation
[13:24] <ppf> blackflow: it is on mine (not a clean install); however it leaves ethernet unmanaged as well, but NM doesn't use it
[13:24] <ppf> zub: cat /etc/*-release to be sure ;)
[13:25] <tomreyn> TommyOne: no. you need to fix the issue which prevent your from mounting the usb drive. either through the correct configuration, or by a bugfix provided by ubuntu.
[13:25] <tomreyn> *prevents you
[13:25] <tomreyn> !latest | TommyOne
[13:26] <ppf> blackflow: the file is part of network-manager
[13:26] <TommyOne> i tried. let me explain. i want to access my digital camera through usb but i cant. in some forums they told me to upgrade gvfs because its a known bug
[13:26] <zub> ppf: PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 17.10"
[13:27] <blackflow> ppf: yes, but what I'm asking is whether it's even needed on a desktop. assume NM will want to manage them all? so, no need for unmanaged entries?
[13:27] <ppf> zub: lshw -c network
[13:27] <blackflow> and for any special, advanced cases, one can always add an exception
[13:27] <ppf> blackflow: yes, i don't understand that bit. in my case the file is being _ignored_
[13:27] <zub> ppf: I have a fresh 17.10 installed in a vbox, where eth is managed. and the /usr/lib/NetworkManager/10-globally-managed-devices.conf is the same - it contains this strange looking unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:wwan
[13:28] <ppf> zub: yes, it's the same for me
[13:28] <ppf> so, red herring :)
[13:28] <zub> ppf: lshwc? well, sud odhclient <iface> brings network up
[13:28] <adrian_1908> TommyOne: does the camera simply not "show up", or do you get an error message?
[13:28] <zub> so the hw itself + kernel seem OK
[13:28] <ppf> zub: still, paste please
[13:28] <tomreyn> TommyOne: do you have an error message which any graphical application or gvfs utilites returned?
[13:28] <zub> OK
[13:29] <TommyOne> it shows up but cant access/mount proper due to my wrong gvfs version. its a known problem. so i try to change it
[13:30] <ppf> zub: another thing you can try is setting unmanaged-devices=none in NetworkManager.conf
[13:30] <ppf> as blackflow said you actually want them all
[13:30] <tomreyn> TommyOne: if it's a known problem, then a bug report must exist. can you point me to it?
[13:30] <blackflow> TommyOne: you can't just upgrade/change version to  random packages in a system. they're all carefully selected and tested, and have critical interdependencies.
[13:30] <zub> ppf: good idea, I'll try, thanks
[13:30] <blackflow> ppf: oh I just realized this is a file in /usr/lib/ ... I was looking for it in /etc/NetworkManager/
[13:31] <blackflow> yeah it's on Bionic as well.... (and my NM is managing eth just fine)
[13:31] <blackflow> zub: oh btw... if there's no icon on the top bar, what about Settings -> Network  ?
[13:31] <zub> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2cpD7844K7/ (I see the warnings about root... but as I'm ralying it to thei coworker who's getting fed up with trying stuff, that's all I can do)
[13:31] <TommyOne> @tomreyn: i tried with gphoto2 - i can see it on usb001,004 but when i try to config the cam isnt avaiilable anymore
[13:32] <zub> blackflow: no wired adapters there, even the Wired section is gone
[13:32] <zub> there's only VPN and Network proxy
[13:32] <ppf> yes, that's because of the unmanaged state
[13:32] <ppf> sudo nmcli dev set ens33 managed yes
[13:32] <TommyOne> @tomreyn: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=146167
[13:33] <blackflow> TommyOne: don't prefix nicks with @  on IRC, it is not needed, an in some cases might NOT even hightlight them
[13:33] <TommyOne> blackflow: im sry, bad habbits from twitch irc chat :-)
[13:34] <zarzar> how do i switch to xcfe desktop?
[13:34] <tomreyn> TommyOne: sre you using lubuntu or linux mint?
[13:34] <tomreyn> *are
[13:34] <TommyOne> tomreyn: lubuntu
[13:35] <tomreyn> TommyOne: can you disconnect and reconnect your camera, then run, in a terminal, "dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999", and post the HTTP address it returns here? this will post your kernel log to the this pastebin on the internet.
[13:36] <tomreyn> TommyOne: keep the camera connected for at least 15 seconds, though.
[13:36] <zub> ppf: so, still, even after sudo nmcli dev set ens33 managed yes, it's unmanaged
[13:37] <zub> and I'm afraid I can't ask him for more tests now. I'll try something mor eon monday. Thanks for you help.
[13:37] <TommyOne> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/eik7
[13:37] <Ducky^> can /proc/pid/statm be used to determine the memory usage of a program?
[13:37] <zub> for some reason nm persistently refuses to manage the interfaces
[13:37] <Ducky^> I thought the first number was the memory usage in kB, but it doesn't match what is reported in htop
[13:37] <zub> blackflow: also, thank you
[13:37] <blackflow> zub: artful is gone soon, perhaps suggest an upgrade to bionic, and by upgrade I mean backup data, reinstall from scratch :)
[13:38] <zub> blackflow: ideally, but this is a bit of a corporate world, so... might not be that easy
[13:38] <blackflow> sigh.... corporate and EOL...
[13:39] <blackflow> they should be using LTS then, unconditionally.
[13:40] <tomreyn> TommyOne: thanks, i'm reading up a little, will get back to you in 10 minutes
[13:41] <TommyOne> tomreyn: thanks a lot, since i spend so much time alrdy on it -- feel free to take more time ;-)
[13:45] <tomreyn> TommyOne: np ;) so, when you connect the camera, and keep it (and all other usb devices) connected for a minute, then run "dmesg | tail", does it still say "USB disconnect" there?
[13:45] <Shiva187> Hello guys having troubles connecting to VPN on Kubuntu 18.04. I have added all the settings required by provider (IPVanish). Everything seems to be added and then when I go to hit "Connect" on the IP Vanish VPN it doesn't do anything literally it doesn't even attempt to connect any ideas?
[13:46] <blackflow> tomreyn: connect + wait 1 min + tail   sure won't notice any disconnects happening in that minute
[13:46] <blackflow> should tail first and THEN connect
[13:48] <tomreyn> blackflow: it will show whether there was a non user initiated disconnect within the minute or not, whic is what i'd like to find out.
[13:48] <blackflow> (also dmesg -w   ftw instead of  | tail)
[13:49] <tomreyn> blackflow: oh, didnt know -w, thanks
[13:49] <blackflow> tomreyn: yeah but tail has -n10 by default, so if you wait and THEN tail, you might lose it
[13:49] <TommyOne> tomreyn: device not accepting address 10, error -71
[13:50] <tomreyn> blackflow: seems to have worked, but you're welcome to provide better instructions to TommyOne ;)
[13:50] <blackflow> tomreyn: just saying tail FIRST, and then fiddle with USB
[13:51] <tomreyn> TommyOne: ok, so that's not a gvfs issue, and definitely not the one one this 2014 forum thread (it's still helpful to look at it, though)
[13:54] <TommyOne> so i tailed first, connected and dmsg -w finally but still the same error
[13:55] <blackflow> TommyOne: dmesg is just showing you the kernel ring buffer messages, it's not attempting to solve your problem per se
[13:56] <tomreyn> TommyOne: can you also "sudo tail /var/log/syslog", please, see whether there is a "segfault" or anything lookign liek an error.
[13:56] <TommyOne> when i type gphoto2 --summary  i get  error (-53: »Could not claim the USB device«)
[13:58] <TommyOne> tomreyn: org.gtk.vfs.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor[1122]: (process:2100): GVFS-GPhoto2-WARNING **: device (null) has no BUSNUM property, ignoring
[13:58] <tomreyn> TommyOne: can you try the camera on your other usb ports, too, please?
[13:58] <TommyOne> tomreyn: i try
[13:59] <tomreyn> ok, that's just a warning, not a bug
[14:00] <takeme> can i use tmux on vnc server instead of ssh?
[14:00] <killall> My supermicro server is blinking red on the sata backplane (bpn-sas3-815tq) and i cant figure why. All the hdds are ok.
[14:00] <tomreyn> TommyOne: also, have you tried the camera on a different computer, one younger than 13 years?
[14:01] <blackflow> !crosspost | killall
[14:01] <blackflow> also, hardly ubuntu related.
[14:03] <TommyOne> tomreyn: yeah tried now with different cable on different usb port - still getting error with gphoto2. i just want to access the usb webcam mode. i know its possible because several people got it working.
[14:04] <TommyOne> tomreyn: on windows10 the camera is working fine with canon software named "camerawindow"
[14:04] <tomreyn> TommyOne: windows on the same computer?
[14:05] <TommyOne> tomreyn: different computer
[14:07] <tomreyn> TommyOne: your computer is pretty old, may have an old (hardware) version usb. i suspect this can be related. but i don't have a good suggestion other than: try this camera, this cable, and this ubuntu version (16.04) , as a live cd, on a more modern computer.
[14:08] <blackflow> tomreyn: also note a rather old kernel there (4.4)
[14:09] <tomreyn> shouldn't be an issue, the camera is old, too. but sure, TommyOne could try !hwe a try, too.
[14:10] <tomreyn> TommyOne: this is (a generic description of) the problem: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts6
[14:10] <TommyOne> hmmm thought its a good idea to take 16.04 but ok will try older kernel usb-drive and see what happens. thanks a lot so far guys <3
[14:11] <tomreyn> !hwe | TommyOne
[14:11] <tomreyn> this is newer, not older
[14:13] <Artur> If I compile my program using Cygwin on my Windows machine. Should everyone else who uses Windows also have Cygwin to run this program?
[14:13] <TommyOne> tomreyn: will read that thx
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Artur: you ask this in #ubuntu why?
[14:14] <tomreyn> TommyOne: actually you can try to disconnect the camera, then "sudo rmmod ehci_hcd", then connect the camera again.
[14:15] <TommyOne> tomreyn: rmmod: ERROR: Module ehci_hcd is builtin.
[14:16] <tomreyn> TommyOne: oh, makes sense. ;)
[14:16] <oerheks> !find smurf
[14:16] <tomreyn> TommyOne: well i give up for now. read the FAQ link, try the other computer, good luck!
[14:17] <TommyOne> tomreyn: yea thx :-)
[14:20] <zezuz> @search westover
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> !warez | zezuz
[14:35] <TommyOne> Getting this error now with 1000mA(2xusb-ports to microUsbCam) What does this mean? >> 7251 (pool) Attribute num_reads (and others) will be removed. See zram documentation. WARNING! power/level is deprecated; use power/control instead
[14:37] <TommyOne> i guess the driver is using faulty commands
[14:39] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using avconv to record screen and voice, the problem is that on lengthy records, the voice lags behind and it is not processed correctly. Do you know what could be fixed or what is wrong with this script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KyQ5b67cMb/
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> TommyOne: The driver is trying to tell the USB controller to send more power to the device (default USB port power is limit to 0.5mA) ... If the camera has a secondary power supply, it would be a good idea to use it.
[14:39] <mojtaba> The voice is Ok for first 5 minutes.
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[14:39] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: 16.04LTS
[14:40] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: the cam is connected to 2 usb ports and the powercell is fully loaded
[14:40] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: any idea?
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: not at this very moment. I know that I have never had luck with avconv keeping the audio in sync with the video... speant many hours on it
[14:41] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: you mean replace battery with constant voltage supply would solve it?
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: I would recommend getting ffmpeg and trying with that
[14:42] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: Did you give up or are you using any other solution?
[14:42] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: I have to replace just avconv term with ffmpeg?
[14:42] <mojtaba> in that script?
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: It might be that simple, yes... I know some avconv arguments are not compatible or redefined from ffmpeg... but I think you'd be okay to change it over to ffmpeg
[14:44] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: I remember that ffmpeg was discontinued at some point, and avconv was supposed to be a replacement for that.
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> TommyOne: If the camera has the ability to be plugged directly into a power outlet, I would strongly recommend using that. Computer USB ports were never really designed for powering devices.
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: ffmpeg has never been discontinued. Ubuntu decided to move to avconc (a port of ffmpeg) to avoid conflicts with liscensing issues for codecs
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: Ubuntu has since moved back to installing ffmpeg by default
[14:46] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: i can only only replace the battery with a dummy from canon where i can plug in a 5v power supply. the error makes no sense to me due to the fact the battery has way more current than the power supply could give out. :-D
[14:47] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: thanks, I will change avconv to ffmpeg
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> TommyOne: I don't know the hardware side of things... the error message is the computer sending a message that a device is trying to negotiate a high power output, and the method being used is not recognized
[14:49] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: thx a lot - will try to solder a constant current supply to the camera
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> TommyOne: Why would you do that? Seems extreme
[14:50] <ppf> zub: sorry had to leave for an exam. did you fix it?
[14:52] <Sunbeam1963> How would I go about checking sha1sum file hashes of about 50,000 files on Linux? I've ran the command: "find /media/lubuntu/Windows -type f -exec sha1sum {} >> windowsHashes.txt \;" and collected something like 41MB of hashes in the file.
[14:53] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: because i have these old spare parts and want to reuse them. im not supporting planed obsolesence. ;-)
[14:53] <ppf> Sunbeam1963: that sounds like a good approach
[14:53] <Sunbeam1963> I'm copying all the files over an ethernet cable to another Linux box and would like to make sure all the hashes match up.
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> That's okay TommyOne ... just seemed like quite a jump from the USB not pushing enough power
[14:54] <leftyfb> Sunbeam1963: you'd write a script
[14:54] <Sunbeam1963> I'm just not sure how to compare the hashes because all of the files have different directory paths.
[14:54] <ppf> Sunbeam1963: so what is it you don't like?
[14:54] <ppf> ah
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> Or use something like rsync which will verify the files
[14:55] <ppf> yes that means you use $favorite_script
[14:55] <TommyOne> pragmaticenigma: since i want to power the cam 24/7, i have to do it anyway :-D
[14:55] <leftyfb> Sunbeam1963: again, you'd write a script
[14:55] <Sunbeam1963> I used cp -prv /blawblaw /blawblaw
[14:55] <slak> sup
[14:56] <Frank2> hi
[14:56] <Sunbeam1963> slak, sup
[14:56] <Frank2> !resize
[14:56] <leftyfb> Frank2: can we help you with something?
[14:56] <slak> alright frank...
[14:56] <Frank2> hello
[14:57] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: so the target directories will have a different structure? you'll not be copying the directory-tree as is?
[14:57] <Frank2> I resized a ext4 partition with gparted, the file-system is on a microsd
[14:57] <slak> im connected to a wireless access point with a laptop... now i want to hook my wireless router to the ethernet and transmit that connection
[14:57] <slak> doable?
[14:57] <Frank2> but rebooting from it , the space remain the same of before
[14:58] <Sunbeam1963> adrian_1908, the directory tree shouldn't be affected, however the directories above all the files being copied will be different names.
[14:58] <Frank2> I tried with resize2fs /dev/sdb # but don't go
[14:58] <leftyfb> Sunbeam1963: strip them in your script
[14:58] <leftyfb> Sunbeam1963: or compensate for them when you're comparing
[14:59] <leftyfb> Frank2: you need to resize the partition(fdisk) and the filesystem(resizefs)
[14:59] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: as someone said, rsync might be an option. you can do recursive copying/mirroring and it should verify the integrity
[15:00] <Frank2> leftyfb, I resized it with gparted, but resize2fs give me error, only read
[15:00] <Sunbeam1963> adrian_1908, I've completed most of the copying already.
[15:00] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: you could run rsync afterwards and it will check for differences. lemme check the syntax, one moment.
[15:03] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: rsync -av /host/source/datadir /otherbox/backup/datadir
[15:04] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: you can add the "-n" flag for dry-runs, that might actually work as well i just thought.
[15:06] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: actually, it might be /host/source/datadir/ with a trailing slash. rsync is very picky iirc.
[15:14] <takeme> can i use tmux in vnc?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> takeme: perhaps you can ask in the #tmux channel
[15:15] <takeme> i mean that can i have session in vnc?
[15:19] <Sunbeam1963> I did "rsync -nav /source/ /target/" hopefully it's going to check the hashes, I'm only seeing a bunch of files being displayed on the screen.
[15:24] <adrian_1908> Sunbeam1963: not sure how to condense it down, but basically without the "-n" flag it would copy your content based on the host data. If you add the --delete flag, it will remove files from the target that don't exist on the host, i.e. a mirror.
[15:25] <adrian_1908> isn't there some statistics at the end of the run, about changes made?
[15:32] <Randolf> Is the MySQL package from apt a bit different on Ubuntu?  I'm having trouble creating MySQL users and changing the MySQL root password.
[15:33] <zub> ppf: it's not my computer and the cowork has had enought of debugging attempts; I'll try to poke him again on Monday
[15:33] <zub> coworker
[15:34] <leftyfb> Randolf: no. It's not different at all.
[15:35] <Randolf> Hmm.  I'm having problems with "access denied" errors.  The folks in the #mysql channel think it's not a fresh install, but it is.
[15:35] <zub> ppf: last result is: network manager peristently claims the iface is unmanaged; maybe running network manager in foreground and reading what happens on nm startup (any complaints about anything) or seeing if it prints anything after nmcli dev set managed might help
[15:36] <am_> hi there
[15:37] <adrian_1908> Randolf: using `mysql -u root -p` to log in?
[15:38] <Randolf> adrian_1908:  No, just sudo mysql
[15:38] <Randolf> It doesn't prompt for any password.
[15:38] <ppf> zub: okay :)
[15:38] <ppf> keep us updated!
[15:38] <am_> I have a very strange bug with my monitor refresh rate on Ubuntu Budgie 18.04... I set 2560x1440 120Hz and it's allright - monitor shows that 120Hz is active and system too... But in real Ubuntu renders only 60Hz... How can I solve this problem? Video intel hd 4600. On Windows this configuration working fine on 120Hz correctly - real 120 not faked like in ubuntu
[15:39] <am_> I also check https://www.testufo.com/ - and the test shows that real refresh rate is 60Hz not 120Hz!
[15:40] <i4> Maybe some ideas?
[15:41] <de-facto> When I rename the standard Desktop user (UID 1000) to "admin" are there any problems to be expected with a Desktop setup (e.g. name reserved for internal usage of some pkgs)?
[15:42] <tomreyn> ^am: vblank_mode=0 glxgears
[15:43] <adrian_1908> de-facto: i think there used to be an admin group on Ubuntu. I would avoid using that username.
[15:43] <ButtPhucker101> Hi guys
[15:44] <^am> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/Nafmeycv
[15:45] <tomreyn> can you pick a better nick?
[15:45] <am_> tomreyn, sorry reboot
[15:46] <tomreyn> am_: well, you got 13375 FPS, seems solved?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> het Butt , this a family oriented support chat , change your nick please
[15:46] <am_> noah, system real refresh rate is 60Hz, not 120Hz
[15:46] <am_> tomreyn, no
[15:47] <am_> tomreyn, monitor works at 120hz and I can see it in monitor menu, but system shows 60Hz... I dont understand why and how
[15:48] <Randolf> tomreyn++
[15:48] <am_> tomreyn, https://www.testufo.com/ shows up the real 60Hz on my onitor
[15:48] <am_> monitor_
[15:48] <tomreyn> am_: vblank_mode works per application unless you export it, in which case it works for any child process from then on.
[15:48] <tomreyn> am_: try changing any setting on that test website
[15:48] <tomreyn> then set it back
[15:50] <am_> tomreyn, how I can check the real refrash rate of monitor in ubuntu?
[15:51] <anli> Is there a way of reinstalling a package and all dependent packages (to fix a broken package manager)?
[15:52] <tomreyn> am_: xrandr
[15:52] <tomreyn> am_: you can also set it there. sorry, the fps stuff didnt make sense, i guess.
[15:52] <am_> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/RuBEM038 - it's shows up that now activated 120Hz but this is not true
[15:53] <oerheks> anli,  apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[15:53] <oerheks> and or/ apt install -f # to fix broken dependencies
[15:53] <tomreyn> am_: not true based on?
[15:53] <am_> I easily can fill difference between 60 and 120... and now is 60 and not 120...
[15:53] <anli> If git is dependent on libcurl4, will that also reinstall libcurl4?
[15:53] <oerheks> try ..
[15:53] <ButtPhucker101> hi anli
[15:53] <tomreyn> am_: sorry, i dont know then,
[15:53] <ButtPhucker101> how are u
[15:54] <am_> tomreyn, Is that possible that monitor works on 120Hz, but system desktop env render only w 60 fps?
[15:54] <hggdh> ButtPhucker101: please change your nick now
[15:54] <ButtPhucker101> ok
[15:54] <tomreyn> am_: sure, default is to limit to 60 fps with mesa
[15:55] <Buttmeister101> is this one ok, it is better?
[15:55] <anli> Still getting git-remote-https: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by git-remote-https)
[15:55] <anli> (not tried -f yet)
[15:55] <anli> nope, did only reinstall git, not the dependent packages
[15:55] <AmilBhut101> hi hgggdh is this ok
[15:55] <am_> tomreyn, how can I solve this?
[15:56] <am_> Or pass
[15:56] <AmilBhut101> Could I have Bhutmeister101 if Bhut is my name
[15:56] <oerheks> anli, odd, if you install git, it installs dependencies, else it is optional
[15:56] <anli> but I am reinstalling
[15:56] <hggdh> AmilBhut101: yeah, I guess it is goodbye
[15:58] <YuxKukMo> hi guys! question: did someone installed ubuntu server 18 lts in virtual box 5.2.12?
[15:58] <Randolf> Buttmeister101:  You're an idiot.  You should be banished from this channel.
[15:58] <hggdh> Randolf: please stop
[15:58] <hggdh> Randolf: do NOT engage trolls
[15:58] <Randolf> hggdh:  Okay.
[15:59] <YuxKukMo> where can i paste an image with the error i received ?
[15:59] <Randolf> I'm having some problems with cut-and-paste -- I need to copy text from a PuTTY or Xterm session, but it never seems to paste into anything.
[15:59] <Randolf> Are there some known issues with this?
[16:00] <compdoc> YuxKukMo, imgur.com
[16:00] <tomreyn> am_: so compare this "GALLIUM_HUD=fps glxgears" to this "vblank_mode=0 GALLIUM_HUD=fps glxgears". default vblank_mode is 1, meaning synch to vblank = limit to 60 FPS.
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf: Ctrl + Insert is how to copy
[16:00] <am_> And one more problem hotkey shortcuts just stop working for my from reboot to reboot and I need to rebind they to other key kodes bcs previous keykodes not working
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf: Shift + Insert for paste
[16:00] <am_> and cant be bound
[16:01] <tomreyn> am_: this explains how to disable vblank_mode for your user account / X session: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Disable_Vertical_Synchronization_.28VSYNC.29
[16:01] <Randolf> pragmaticenigma:  That just puts a "0" on the screen.
[16:01] <Randolf> I tried CTRL-V and nothing happens.
[16:02] <am_> tomreyn, hmmm now I'm changing from 120 to 60 hz and 120 dissapears from menu in settongs o.O
[16:02] <am_> tomreyn, 10x
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf: In which application? I don't usually have much luck with Xterm with cut and paste
[16:02] <takeme> can i know name of email?
[16:02] <YuxKukMo> https://imgur.com/a/DRJyysT
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf: In putty, the other option is to highlight the text, then click once with the left mouse button. the highlight will disappear, and the text will have copied to the clipboard
[16:03] <am_> tomreyn, xrandr shows only 60hz mode
[16:03] <am_> 120 100 and 85 is dissapear)
[16:03] <am_> reboot will solve this problem
[16:03] <am_> But why it's happening
[16:04] <tomreyn> am_: you cna use xrandr to define modes on the fly, as well as /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make it permanent.
[16:05] <am_> tomreyn, there is no xorg.conf in my /etc/X11/*
[16:05] <tomreyn> am_: right, it's not there by default
[16:05] <takeme> can i know name of email?
[16:05] <am_> oh
[16:05] <Randolf> pragmaticenigma:  That works in Windows, but under Ubuntu it doesn't.
[16:06] <leftyfb> takeme: What are you talking about?
[16:06] <takeme> email client of ubuntu
[16:06] <Randolf> pragmaticenigma:  It just changes the range of text highlighted depending on where I click.
[16:06] <takeme> pre installed
[16:06] <takeme> leftyfb:
[16:06] <leftyfb> takeme: thunderbird
[16:06] <takeme> ah
[16:06] <takeme> thanks
[16:07] <takeme> anyway  can i install it on windows?
[16:07] <YuxKukMo> so, this is the error that i received during installation in virtual box https://imgur.com/a/DRJyysT. any idea why ?
[16:07] <horani> am_: have you tried to set the rate i.e.: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 120?
[16:07] <takeme> leftyfb:  ?
[16:07] <hggdh> takeme: I believe so, but you have to check somewhere else
[16:07] <leftyfb> takeme: yes
[16:07] <takeme> ah thanks :)
[16:10] <am_> horani, yes
[16:10] <am_> I need to reboot
[16:11] <am_> horani, yes it's done
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf: I don't use Putty or XTerm in Ubuntu... I use either gnome-terminal or Konsole
[16:12] <am_> Now it's ok
[16:12] <Randolf> Oh, okay.  I'll try those.
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> which allows Ctrl + Shift + C and Ctrl + Shift + V for copy and paste respectively
[16:12] <Randolf> That would be very helpful.
[16:12] <am_> But next question is how it's possible to render Ubuntu GRUB2 menu on DP? Now it's shows only on HDMI
[16:12] <Randolf> Re-typing on-screen text into IRC isn't fun.
[16:13] <Randolf> Just in case my MySQL datafiles are b0rked, is it an easy process to just wipe them out and start over?
[16:14] <tomreyn> am_: you reboot a lot. :) more environment variables for debugging: https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html  LIB_GL and GALLIUM refers to 3d accelerated graphics only. the i945/i96 should also work for you (2d).
[16:16] <am_> tomreyn, this is for glxgears?
[16:17] <tomreyn> am_: anything which creates graphical output.
[16:17] <am_> tomreyn, when I use vblank_mode=0 glxgears and vblank_mode=1 glxgears - the result is the same
[16:17] <tomreyn> am_: that's not the commands i had provbided, though
[16:18] <tomreyn> you dropped the hud
[16:18] <am_> now the command GALLIUM_HUD=fps glxgears shows 120fps
[16:19] <tomreyn> so it limits to the monitor refresh rate now.
[16:19] <am_> No monitor now working good
[16:19] <am_> And I can see 120 hz
[16:19] <am_> )
[16:19] <am_> Thanks
[16:19] <anli> Can I fix a broken apt by copying files from an iso file?
[16:20] <anli> (ubuntu iso)
[16:20] <am_> Now, can I set to display grub2 menu on DP not HDMI? It;s possible?
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> anli: you can set your sources to the install media
[16:20] <tomreyn> am_: i dont think so, but not certain
[16:20] <anli> So a ubuntu installation iso can be made an apt source?
[16:20] <anli> ah, makes sense
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> anli: check in your software&sources
[16:22] <tomreyn> am_: it's possible that you can configure your bios to prefer the external monitor over the internal one, though, if it's a laptop, or to prefer once type of connection over another (e.g. DP vs. HDMI vs. VGA)
[16:23] <anli> lotuspsychje: Is that no+
[16:23] <anli> ?
[16:23] <anli> I am not asking if something similar to an iso file is an apt source
[16:23] <horani> am_: if i understood well, for grub: add "video=DP1-1:d" to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=.....
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> anli: im not following you now..?
[16:24] <tomreyn> horani: that's a kernel parameter, would only work after grub.
[16:24] <am_> horani, now i'll try, 10-x then back
[16:25] <am_> And i was tried to set resolution to grub2 but it's not working and very low now(
[16:25] <am_> \I set it vefore on previous ubuntu versions with framebuffer, but i don't it's working method now  or not
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> anli: also when you say a 'broken' apt, can you define please...what exactly doesnt work anymore?
[16:26] <am_> horani, why DP1-1 or it's just an example... my DP is just DP-1
[16:26] <gomes> a
[16:26] <horani> am_: was an example
[16:27] <horani> DP1:d in your case
[16:27] <tomreyn> they're gone, again ;)
[16:29] <horani> however tomreyn isprobably right. this is kernel parameter which will work after grub. therefore this solely depends on bios
[16:32] <Randolf> Okay, so I shut down the MySQL daemon, then I used "apt purge default-mysql-server" followed by "apt install default-mysql-server" which all worked fine.  But starting the daemon resulted in errors now and it can't find a directory called "mysql-files."
[16:33] <wlt> hu
[16:33] <wlt> hi
[16:33] <wlt> anyone?
[16:34] <tomreyn> Randolf: provide more context, ubuntu version, what is your overall plan, what have you done so far, what are you doing now, how's it not working, what's the error message.
[16:34] <tomreyn> !ask | wlt
[16:36] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I'm using Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS, and I'm trying get MySQL re-installed because the previous installation was b0rked and denying access to do normal things.  But now I'm getting an error that the directory "/var/lib/mysql/" cannot be created.
[16:36] <Randolf> I just want to get MySQL working.
[16:37] <tomreyn> Randolf: you only purged and reinstalled a meta packages, though, not the full mysql-server, i would think: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=default-mysql-server
[16:37] <mtdms> is there ubuntu for smartphone?
[16:37] <mtdms> i read something about it, but does it works good?
[16:37] <mtdms> on mobile
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> mtdms: canonical stopped ubuntu touch
[16:37] <tomreyn> Randolf: can you show the exact error message?
[16:37] <mtdms> didnt work?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> mtdms: but the community of #ubports taken over
[16:37] <oerheks> mtdms, yes, there is #ubports , community project of that phone thingy
[16:38] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I'll need a moment because cut-and-paste isn't working -- Shift-Insert just puts a 0 on the screen for me...
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> mtdms: see also the ubports.com website to see if your device supports it
[16:39] <tomreyn> Randolf: try ctrl-shift-v
[16:39] <Randolf> tomreyn:  mysqld: Can't create directory '/var/lib/mysql/' (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied)
[16:39] <horani>  Randolf: installing as root?
[16:39] <Randolf> horani:  Yes.
[16:40] <mtdms> android could be also linux? like ubuntu a distro?
[16:40] <Randolf> tomreyn:  The problem is that Ubuntu isn't copying text from PuTTY or xterm.
[16:40] <mtdms> it has linux kernel right?
[16:40] <tomreyn> Randolf: this may be a result of not properly purging mysqld earlier
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> mtdms: we take only ubuntu support questions here
[16:40] <oerheks> mtdms, yes, but that would be offtopic here
[16:41] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Oh.  Well, how can I make sure that happened?  I think perhaps "apt purge default-mysql-server" may have missed something then.
[16:41] <tomreyn> Randolf: you can drag and mark with the mouse, then paste with middle mouse button
[16:41] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Yeah, I don't have a middle mouse button.  Only left-and-right on this trackpad.
[16:42] <Randolf> tomreyn:  But the usual copy-and-paste that works with PuTTY under Windows isn't working here.
[16:42] <Randolf> I can copy-and-paste between other applications, just not PuTTY or xterm.
[16:42] <Randolf> I'm more concerned about MySQL though.
[16:42] <Randolf> I can live with re-typing things manually for now.
[16:42] <oerheks> Randolf, i would reboot first after removing a 'borked install'. then purge all cruft that is left behind, and start fresh
[16:43] <Randolf> oerheks:  Done that.  This is where I'm at now.
[16:44] <tomreyn> Randolf: then let us know which http address this returns "sudo ls -al /var/lib/mysql | pastebinit"
[16:44] <Randolf> tomreyn:  That directory doesn't exist.
[16:46] <tomreyn> Randolf: let's clean up again: sudo apt purge default-mysql-server 'mysql*'    # be sure to read what it'll be doing before you confirm the prompt.
[16:48] <Randolf> Oh, this is asking me with a purple window to remove the database now.  It looks like adding `mysql*` makes the difference here.
[16:49] <Randolf> That prompt didn't appear earlier when I used just "sudo apt purge default-mysql-server" (without the 'mysql*' part).
[16:49] <Randolf> Okay, that's working now.  Thank you tomreyn.
[16:49] <Randolf> Re-installation worked without any problems.
[16:50] <tomreyn> welcome
[16:50] <Randolf> I'll let the folks in #mysql know about this.
[16:54] <shdhj12jk3> qiut
[16:54] <shdhj12jk3> Client Quit
[16:54] <shdhj12jk3> exit
[17:26] <xgpt> suggestions for easiest to use openvpn or othre vpn software? I'd like to be able to securely tap into my own internal network while outside my home for purposes of netflix/hulu/etc.
[17:26] <xgpt> (while traveling)
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | xgpt
[17:28] <compdoc> thats an old page
[17:28] <compdoc> Ubuntu 10.04? think thats gone
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: feel free to find a new wiki :p
[17:30]  * compdoc is feeling free now - thanks
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> xgpt: https://linuxconfig.org/simple-openvpn-connection-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux this is newer
[17:31] <tomreyn> xgpt: https://www.wireguard.com/
[17:32] <shibumi> hello how to purge netplan?
[17:32] <shibumi> I am on ubuntu-18.04
[17:32] <shibumi> and when I do `apt purge netplan`
[17:32] <shibumi> I can still use it with `netplan`
[17:32] <tomreyn> add .io
[17:32] <Syabro> Даров
[17:32] <shibumi> tomreyn: lol this removes ubuntu-minimal as well
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !ru | Syabro
[17:33] <tomreyn> shibumi: that's just a meta package, doesn't hurt.
[17:33] <xodiak> anyone here on KDE Neon?
[17:34] <gde33> I'm not entirely sure how large the volume is but I connected an external usb drive to my 32 bit laptop. I could open the directory in the lubuntu file browser but then the file browser closed it self and the device no longer shows.
[17:34] <shibumi> tomreyn: what is the difference between the netplan and the netplan.io package?
[17:34] <horani> xodiak: i use neon on one machine
[17:34] <gde33> (rebooting now n trying windos)
[17:35] <tomreyn> shibumi: one is the package you want to remove, the other isnt
[17:35] <tomreyn> shibumi: "apt-cache show PACKAGE" to get info on any package, installed or not.
[17:36] <shibumi> thx
[17:44] <shibumi> tomreyn: I have reinstalled ifupdown network scripts.. why is ubuntu 18.04 throwing errors on the interface wildcard `ether`?
[17:45] <mtdms> do you know some swift ide for ubuntu? i dont wanna use a mac,please
[17:47] <oerheks> mtdms, not in the repos, and you asked this yesterday too? .. #swift-lang
[17:47] <slipttees> !acpi_osi
[17:47] <slipttees> hy guys... how command get acpi_osi support?
[17:47] <mtdms> thanks
[17:47] <tomreyn> shibumi: this lacks context, but i'll probably still not know if you'll provide it
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> slipttees: Could you provide more information about what you are trying to do?
[17:48] <leftyfb> slipttees: can you be a bit clearer? Your question doesn't make much sense.
[17:48] <slipttees> pragmaticenigma: fn+keys no work
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> slipttees: that wouldn't be a function of ACPI
[17:48] <slipttees> :/
[17:49] <shibumi> tomreyn: context: I want to deploy VMs in a vmware environment with openvmtools as some sort of initialization. openvmtools supports only ifupdown tools.. so I reinstalled them. And openvmtools generates an interfaces file with the interface "ether" as wildcard for any ethernet interface but somehow ubuntu18.04 seems to ignore this wildcard
[17:49] <shibumi> tomreyn: in short: everything is broken /o\
[17:49] <fr0zn-> hi
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> slipttees: Support for hot keys is limited, and depends on the support of BIOS to send those commands to Ubuntu, and Ubuntu knowing what to do with them.
[17:54] <slipttees> pragmaticenigma: enable/disable touchpad, wifi work... sound and brightness wont
[17:55] <tomreyn> shibumi: i can't seem to find anything online about openvmtools creating interfaces named "ether*" by default.
[17:56] <shibumi> tomreyn: the interface is named 'ether' only.. I guess it's a wildcard.. no idea. I use ansible vmware-guest module for deploying the VMs
[17:56] <tomreyn> shibumi: i would also not know how iot creates them, it'd be necessary to ensure they'd not conflict with https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[17:56] <shibumi> tomreyn: yeah i Know.. even if I disable them it doesn't work.. so it's more a bug in openvmtools vmware guest agent..
[17:57] <tomreyn> i guess so
[17:57] <shibumi> if openvmtools would support systemd-networkd everything would work fine ;)
[17:57] <shibumi> just netplan should be removed..
[17:57] <shibumi> no idea why you need another abstraction layer there..
[17:57] <shibumi> it doesn't make sense for me..
[17:57] <oerheks>  Ubuntu 18.04 isn't supported yet with netplan. 16.04, works fine, openvmwaretools
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> netplan is not an abstraction layer... it is a replacement
[17:58] <shibumi> oerheks: are you sure? netplan is on default in the server image for ubuntu 18.04
[17:58] <tomreyn> having netplan installed or not would not make a difference other than a few more bytes on your hdd in your case
[17:58] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: replacement for what?
[17:58] <oerheks> shibumi, ha yes, but not on vmware
[17:58] <shibumi> tomreyn: well if netplan is installed with cloud-init it fuckups every network configuration I do in /etc/systemd/network/
[17:59] <oerheks> so all users are still on16.04 lts
[17:59] <shibumi> oerheks: ah ok you meant openvmtools sorry :D
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> shibumi: a topic for another channel, I'd focus on your current issue
[17:59]  * tomreyn is not really into cloud-init.
[17:59] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: everything solved :)
[18:00] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: my solution is at the moment: create a custom ubuntu 18.04 template for vmware without netplan... generate .network files templates with ansible.. deploy them via vmware_guest_file module
[18:12] <okularni1> hello i am president of debian in Poland
[18:13] <okularni1> i want xorg in kernel
[18:13] <okularni1> xorg is 30 years of hard work
[18:14] <okularni1> of xorg.foundation
[18:14] <okularni1> someone know Torvalds ?
[18:15] <okularni1> someone got maybe email for Torvalds ?
[18:15] <leftyfb> okularni1: That's offtopic. Do you have an Ubuntu specific support question?
[18:17] <okularni1> are ubuntu want a freeware and warez torrent p2p official polish president of UBUNTU ?? My friend is a programmist and he got long hairs like hippie. He can fight for freedom for you
[18:17] <leftyfb> okularni1: please leave
[18:17] <okularni1> he live i psychiatric hospital
[18:18] <leftyfb> !op | okularni1
[18:18] <okularni1> You are an ellite of UBUNTU
[18:18] <okularni1> here
[18:19] <okularni1> do you want someone from underground for president function in Poland ?
[18:19] <leftyfb> okularni1: trolling is offtopic here. Please try #ubuntu-ops
[18:19] <okularni1> its not trolling
[18:19] <okularni1> people got power
[18:19] <okularni1> ubuntu has a risk of deinstallate the xorg
[18:20] <okularni1> they say they want wayland
[18:20] <okularni1> and wayland is a 2 years of work . For example xorg is 30 years
[18:21] <leftyfb> okularni1: this is a support channel. Please go elsewhere for your rants
[18:22] <okularni1> give your voice to LORD SASANEK (PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL DREWNICA POLAND) if you want LORD SASANEK for president of ubuntu in Poland .mail omnismoriar1@gmail.com
[18:22] <okularni1> He are a schisophrenic
[18:22] <oerheks> .. okularni1 nobody is interested in your activism, your opinion is valuable, but not in this channel
[18:22] <okularni1> and he can programming for 5 hours in day
[18:22] <oerheks> !ot
[18:23] <okularni1> whats happen here ?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu | okularni1
[18:24] <okularni1> whos here ?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> ok look at the nicklist
[18:28] <BluesKaj> too late
[18:29] <root__> someone here?
[18:29] <TheTrobz> someone here?
[18:29] <TheTrobz> i need help please
[18:30] <guest_qualcosa> hi all
[18:30] <oerheks> !ask | TheTrobz
[18:30] <Southern_Gentlem> is there a version of ubuntu that has efi 32
[18:30] <Yio> hi all
[18:30] <TheTrobz> Reading package lists... Done
[18:30] <TheTrobz> Building dependency tree
[18:30] <TheTrobz> Reading state information... Done
[18:30] <TheTrobz> Package virtualbox-5.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:30] <TheTrobz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:30] <TheTrobz> is only available from another source
[18:32] <oerheks> as of 15.10 the 32 bit iso has UEFI onboard
[18:33] <oerheks> but if you want a 32 bit uefi for a 32 bit uefi/64 bit machine, there seems to b e a hack, but i would drop it
[18:35] <MrGiupO> is someone using mate 18.04 with multiple XScreen (mine has four) and nitrogen ? I have an issue, i can't set a desktop wallpaper for screen 0.1 0.2 0.3, screen 0.0 is able to change
[18:35] <lankanmon> Hey guys, I cant seem to get my corsair machanical keyboard to detect while booting on the grub boot selector. I works fine in bios and in win mbr. I have checked to see that the switch on the back was on BIOS and have tried the other 3 settings on boot as well. Any ideas?
[18:47] <Southern_Gentlem> oerheks,  its actually an old macbook which is 32bit
[18:48] <oerheks> intel or powerpc?
[18:48] <Southern_Gentlem> intel
[18:48] <oerheks> 16.04 will do
[18:50] <uebera||> Southern_Gentlem: Kubuntu has 32bit packages for everything, IIRC.
[18:51] <Southern_Gentlem> uebera||, the 32bit efi is the main issue
[18:52] <anli> Has the package intltool been replaced?
[18:52] <uebera||> Southern_Gentlem: You're looking for "grub-efi-ia32 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-IA32 version)" and 'friends', right? They exist for 18.04
[18:52] <oerheks> "as of 15.10 the 32 bit iso has UEFI onboard"
[18:52] <oerheks> so 16.04.4 will do
[18:55] <uebera||> anli: intltool exists for 18.04 in "Section: universe/devel"
[18:55] <anli> Can I use apt to install it?
[18:56] <oerheks> you better get used to systemd/systemctl and services
[18:56] <uebera||> anli: Yes. Why not simply try it? (make sure you have the universe repository enabled ("sudo add-apt-repository universe")
[18:57] <anli> Ah, ok, could I do that in the debootstrap command line?
[18:57] <anli> I ran: debootstrap bionic folder
[18:57] <irated> Anyone experienced getting Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until April 2019. on ubuntu 18.04?
[18:59] <oerheks> HWE on 18.04 ?? i thought that was not supported yet
[19:00] <irated> my point exactly
[19:00] <irated> im trying to figure out why the hell its happening
[19:00] <irated> s/hell/heck/
[19:00] <oerheks> what do you mean, 18.04 is just released, there is no release wioth newer xorg/wayland and/ or kernel
[19:00] <ioria> irated, 2019 is the deadline of the trusty hwe
[19:00] <oerheks> that is the backport, HWE
[19:00] <uebera||> anli: If you look at the debootstrap manual, you'll see a "--components" option where you can specify the repositories.
[19:01] <anli> nice
[19:01] <ioria> irated, where and when did you get that msg ?
[19:01] <oerheks> irated,  so you have no issue with HWE on 18.04 :-)
[19:02] <irated> ioria: update-motd is generatin it
[19:02] <irated> Looked deeper and found this command
[19:03] <irated> https://gist.github.com/pryorda/d9f6e3ae5653008104cc1d2865787522
[19:04] <irated> I'm not sure what kernel comes with 18.04.
[19:04] <irated> sI could read the script to find out exactly why its doing it, but was hoping someone knew off the top of their head
[19:04] <ioria> irated, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:08] <uebera||> !info linux-libc-dev bionic
[19:08] <uebera||> irated: the version above should match the current kernel
[19:09] <anli> I need some more component beside universe, I suppose
[19:09] <anli> There was no bin folder :)
[19:09] <xodiak> !patience
[19:09] <xodiak> !help
[19:10] <uebera||> anli: "debootstrap bionic /mnt" should definitely create a bin folder…
[19:11] <anli> I already have a folder, not being mnt where I want the result to come
[19:12] <anli> But I assume universe is not the only component I will need
[19:15] <uebera||> irated: On your system, does "dpkg --list | grep \\-hwe" produce any output?
[19:16] <anli> uebera||: So I ran debootstrap --components=universe bionic myfolder
[19:17] <uebera||> anli: And it did not install a minimal installation below myfolder? Then there should be an error message of sorts…
[19:18] <uebera||> anli: You might find this helpful (even if you don't care about zfs, it shows the steps how to use 'debootstrap', chroot into 'myfolder' and add additional repositories): https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[19:23] <empedokles78> Is it complicated to install kexi from a tar?: https://community.kde.org/Kexi/Releases#3.1.0
[19:23] <empedokles78> Is it recommended?
[19:24] <uebera||> !info kexi bionic
[19:25] <uebera||> empedokles78: Which version of Ubuntu are you currently using?
[19:25] <empedokles78> uebera||, 16.04
[19:26] <uebera||> !info kexi xenial
[19:26] <anli> uebera||: Trying again, the base system is not installed, maybe I need another component beside univierse?
[19:27] <anli> debootstrap.log did not reveals anything
[19:27] <anli> -s
[19:28] <uebera||> empedokles78: Personally, I prefer to use packages wherever possible. Makes it much easier to keep track. If the current Kexi is not available for Xenial in a third party repository you trust, you could backport it yourself. Still much cleaner than installing a .tar
[19:29] <empedokles78> uebera||, backport? I'm not a hacker unfortunately. :)
[19:29] <anli> Do I need to use --components=universe,alpha or something?
[19:29] <empedokles78> Okay, I'm using 2.9 then.
[19:30] <irated> uebera||: looking now.
[19:30] <irated> Sorry I was dealing with work stuff
[19:30] <ioria> irated, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:32] <uebera||> anli: debootstrap is supposed to create a minimal system w/o any parameters apart from "<distribution> <target-dir>". Are you able to start a virtual machine using VirtualBox or qemu? I'd suggest to try the same steps in a clean environment (e.g., using the Live Desktop iso)
[19:33] <anli> I like the idea of having a minimal subsystem, I would prefer to not use a virtual host or software that is not needed
[19:33] <anli> I want to create a constant build system where a certain software will not fail to build
[19:34] <anli> With softweare with versions that I can control
[19:34] <uebera||> anli: If you say that you don't see a minimal system nor an error message, then something is amiss with your current environment. Trying to use debootstrap and check the expected results can help you to determine what is not working (because for me, it just works). Of course, after fixing your primary environment, you need to repeat everything for a permanent minimal environemnt.
[19:35] <anli> I got the bin folder and other folders when not specifying --components
[19:35] <uebera||> anli: It is impossible to determine the reason why it does not work for you.
[19:36] <uebera||> anli: Ok, if that is the case, why not follow the howto I mentioned--chroot into the resulting environment and add the universal repository there manually, then install your desired package(s).
[19:36] <anli> I have almost no parameters in this problem, why does debootstrap bionic myfolder create a bin folder while debootstrap --components=universe bionic myfolder does not
[19:37] <anli> Its like universe is not a complete components list
[19:37] <uebera||> anli: Try to combine universe with all other environments, especially main
[19:38] <uebera||> anli: something like "--components main,contrib,non-free --include mydesiredpackage"
[19:38] <anli> So main,universe must be the correct parameter value
[19:38] <anli> I think I will not need to use any others
[19:39] <anli> --include universe?
[19:39] <uebera||> anli: No, "include" takes names of packages, "components" takes names of repositories
[19:40] <anli> cool
[19:41] <anli> hm, strange, I get a bunch of non deletable files in myfolder because I have module files
[19:41] <anli> In proc
[19:41] <anli> ...for instance
[19:41] <ioria> anli, may i ask you what are you doing ?
[19:42] <anli> I am setting up a minimal system for building gimp
[19:42] <anli> From source
[19:43] <anli> Which will never fail
[19:43] <ioria> ah
[19:43] <anli> However, my system refuses to remove myfolder because it contains files created with mknod
[19:44] <uebera||> anli: Using https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gimp.GIMP is not an option for you?
[19:44] <anli> It gets confused by them
[19:44] <anli> No, that is an installation webpage
[19:45] <anli> I am a developer
[19:45] <uebera||> I see.
[19:47] <anli> rm gives me "operation is not permitted" on those kernel files, seems someone is trying to protect me against something
[19:48] <anli> As usual for no reason
[19:49] <uebera||> anli: Are you inside a non-privileged container?
[19:49] <anli> It seems proc is not a folder
[19:49] <anli> I do not know what that is
[19:50] <uebera||> anli: I was referring to this --> https://linuxcontainers.org/
[19:50] <anli> I wish I can rm proc in that sub folder
[19:51] <anli> I am into a debootstrap chroot jail
[19:51] <anli> in
[19:51] <anli> Well, there isnt really such a thing
[19:51] <anli> But I assume you know what I mean
[19:52] <uebera||> anli: Did you follow the steps from the howto? Then the proc subdirectory is linked to your system /proc.
[19:52] <anli> I was only running debootstrap bionic myfolder
[19:53] <anli> Then myfolder contains a non-removable proc dir
[19:53] <dunpeal> Hi. I'm trying to `sudo apt upgrade`, and getting the following message:
[19:53] <dunpeal> libegl1 libgl1 libgl1:i386 libglvnd0 libglvnd0:i386 libglx0 libglx0:i386
[19:53] <uebera||> Ok, then you're *not* inside a chroot. (This usually means you executed chroot)
[19:53] <dunpeal> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:53] <dunpeal>   libegl1 libgl1 libgl1:i386 libglvnd0 libglvnd0:i386 libglx0 libglx0:i386
[19:53] <dunpeal> What should I do, if anything.
[19:54] <uebera||> dunpeal: You can explicitly install them: paste the list of packages into the command line after "sudo apt install ".
[19:54] <rdg> anyone have a fix for this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/1770553
[19:54] <anli> Ah, its of course only to umount those dirs
[19:54] <dunpeal> uebera||: should I?  what's even going on in there?
[19:54] <oerheks> use sudo apt dist-upgrade
[19:54] <rdg> re: Ubuntu shipping with a Java keystore that older versions can't read
[19:55] <dunpeal> oerheks: tried that too, no difference
[19:55] <anli> So there is a problem in that debootstrap mounts things for me
[19:55] <uebera||> dunpeal: This means that there are updates for the packages you already installed, but these updates come with new dependencies (i.e., require additional packages to be installed). That's why by default, the updates are kept back.
[19:55] <anli> Well, maybe thats not a problem, only a necessity
[19:55] <dunpeal> uebera||: ah. why :386 packages though?  my system is amd64, as are all my installed packages
[19:55] <oerheks> rdg, ugly ... but a temp fix is answer #3
[19:56] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/1770553/comments/3
[19:56] <uebera||> anli: No. debootstrap does not mount anything for you. You said you were inside a chroot, so I assumed you manually mounted the required system folders.
[19:56] <uebera||> anli: By installing a minimal system, however, very likely "mknod" was executed which creates the required special folders (/dev/ , ...)
[19:57] <anli> When I had only ran the line I showed you, I got those mount points, dunno if I had to chroot myfolder to get them
[19:58] <uebera||> !paste |  anli
[19:58] <uebera||> anli: Which mount points were added after debootstrap?
[19:59] <anli> /root/myfolder/proc and /root/myfolder/sys in the host system
[19:59] <anli> Or what to call it
[20:00] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/1771363
[20:00] <uebera||> anli: It would be better to call them "special folders". If you talk about mount point that appear, people assume that these were mounted using the mount command, e.g., "mount | grep /root" lists them.
[20:00] <oerheks> rdg ^
[20:01] <anli> Well, they are mounted with the mount command are they not?
[20:01] <anli> hm, when doing this again, I did not get those folders mounted
[20:02] <uebera||> anli: Not in this case as part of a chrooted environment. These folders are used as destination for [r]bind mounts. Have a look at the tutorial again, it contains the mount commands you need to execute prior to entering the chroot.
[20:02] <MetalWolf> Hi, I have an mdadm array on ubuntu which i tried to grow from 5 disks to 6 disks.  Its got stuck at 82.8% and I'm seeing the following error INFO: task md0_reshape:174 blocked for more than 120 seconds..  I have tried rebooting and a live flash drive to assemble with --freeze-reshape but no joy
[20:02] <MetalWolf> any ideas how i can fix it if possible?
[20:02] <MetalWolf> I've attempted to mount the array but it doesn't mount
[20:08] <uebera||> MetalWolf: I don't use mdadm myself. If you don't get an answer here, your best bet IMHO is too look for a mdadm specific troubleshooting guide like https://alwaystinkering.wordpress.com/2017/09/23/troubleshooting-linux-software-raid-mdadm/
[20:10] <MetalWolf> thanks uebera||
[20:12] <blackflow> MetalWolf: what raid level, how did you grow it, what's the mount error, did it assemble properly?
[20:14] <MetalWolf> blackflow: raid 5, it doesn't give an error when I try to mount it it just never actually mounts, same think I'm having when I examine it.  yes it re-assembled but started the reshape and got stuck at the same point
[20:14] <MetalWolf> I'll get the grow command just now
[20:15] <MetalWolf> mdadm --grow --raid-device=6 /dev/md0 /dev/sdd
[20:15] <MetalWolf> I stupidly forgot the backup flag :/
[20:18] <MetalWolf> err sorry
[20:18] <MetalWolf> no /dev/sdd at the end I had added /sdd using --add
[20:18] <raidghost> What is needed to be a apt mirror?
[20:20] <blackflow> MetalWolf: can you pastebin   cat /proc/mdstat?
[20:21] <MetalWolf> yep hold on a second
[20:22] <MetalWolf> https://pastebin.com/Unb7pJG7
[20:24] <MetalWolf> blackflow: appreciate the help
[20:25] <blackflow> MetalWolf: what's sdf? not part of the array?
[20:26] <MetalWolf> sdf is the boot drive (USB flash)
[20:27] <blackflow> MetalWolf: and if you check mdstat again, it sits there at that same percentage?
[20:27] <MetalWolf> yes
[20:28] <MetalWolf> reshape = 82.8% (3236979712/3906854400) finish=644382.4min speed=17K/sec
[20:28] <blackflow> MetalWolf: can you pastebin say last 50 lines of dmesg?   dmesg | tail -n50
[20:29] <MetalWolf> https://pastebin.com/uU9HhTad
[20:32] <blackflow> MetalWolf: yeah that's some hard failing kernel there. Could be simply hardware issues. Thing is, I don't have any experience with such setups like 5-drive raid5 and you're adding 6th drive. I'm used to hard 3-drive raid5, or 4-drive raid6, with optional additional as hot spare
[20:33] <MetalWolf> got similar issues when i moved to a usb boot flash
[20:33] <blackflow> and increased in factors of minimum drives per level, so for example X times 3 for raid5. the fact this is failing at that same percentage as you say, suggests some serious HW issues, could be two drives failing, but raid5 can tolerate only 1
[20:34] <MetalWolf> what i don't understand is that all drives are showing as ok
[20:34] <blackflow> MetalWolf: I'd start by reseating sata cables. blow them off, could be accumulated dust causing signal loss, or even oxidation
[20:34] <blackflow> MetalWolf: showing wehre?
[20:34] <MetalWolf> with mdadm examine
[20:35] <blackflow> that's only reading metadat
[20:35] <blackflow> it's failing at resilvering
[20:36] <MetalWolf> all pass smart as well.... guess it could be two damaged blocks at the bit of the drive
[20:37] <MetalWolf> the drives are in an hp microserver so are slide in rails.
[20:37] <blackflow> MetalWolf: smart is stupid. if it shows imminent failure, it _might_ fail. if it shows nothing, it _might_ fail.
[20:37] <MetalWolf> lol true
[20:37] <i4> Who can give an worked advice for ubuntu to configure the grub2 boot menu resolution?
[20:37] <MetalWolf> I might try a different linux OS and see if it see's the drives and builds.
[20:38] <i4> Now is very low... I'll try to setup it from my notebook with 1600x900 res
[20:38] <blackflow> MetalWolf: there is however SMART conveyance test which supposedly does surface scans
[20:38] <blackflow> MetalWolf: come again which ubuntu is this?
[20:39] <MetalWolf> 16.04
[20:40] <MetalWolf> actually i tried with a 16.04 recovery pen.... might try 18.04 see if i get any joy
[20:42] <blackflow> MetalWolf: can you pastebin full dmesg? or at least more lines so full kernel backtrace is seen?
[20:45] <MetalWolf> https://pastebin.com/chZhfuZQ full since last reboot
[20:49] <andrew09> Any solution to this problem? "error while loading shared libraries: libatomic.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[20:50] <blackflow> MetalWolf: yeah, looks good until line 956, that's first failure. I'm sorry, I don't see from that _what_ exactly is causing it, but it being a kernel even like that suggests either hardware failure or a kernel bug
[20:52] <MetalWolf> I'll try 18.04 see if its a kernel bug
[20:54] <blackflow> MetalWolf: wait, where's that mdadm --examine pastebin?
[20:55] <MetalWolf> mdadm -examine never completes either-
[20:56] <blackflow> MetalWolf: nvm, found your previous post. you've got bad blocks on TWO drives, sda and sdg. So I'm guessing that's it. raid5 can only tolerate one drive failure.-
[20:57] <MetalWolf> can i skip the bad blocks n accept the data loss?
[20:57] <blackflow> MetalWolf: I don't know. You could try Bionic, see if the newer mdadm and kernel can fare better, but I doubt it.
[20:58] <irated> uebera||: no it does not show anything
[20:58] <MetalWolf> bionic?
[20:58] <blackflow> MetalWolf: mdadm has no data checksumming and no ability to heal. once it starts seeing corruption, it's game over. I'd suggest you to consider ZFS or even btrfs (but not raid5 or 6 lol), or if you _really_ must, then hardware raid with self-healing ability
[20:58] <andrew09> Any solution to this problem? "error while loading shared libraries: libatomic.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[20:58] <blackflow> MetalWolf: 18.04 = Bionic Beaver
[20:59] <takeme> i can’t open terminal after upgrade what’s wrong?
[20:59] <blackflow> !details | takeme
[21:00] <MetalWolf> oh gotcha lol
[21:00] <MetalWolf> downloading now
[21:00] <MetalWolf> thanks
[21:00] <blackflow> MetalWolf: anyway I think your problem is that you started array geometry reshape with bad blocks present on two drives. that's a problem because mdam wants to finish reshaping but it can't skip that step.
[21:02] <MetalWolf> *sighs* thanks blackflow
[21:02] <blackflow> andrew09: what's the context of that problem?
[21:02] <andrew09> blackflow: I'm trying to open Cydia Impactor
[21:02] <blackflow> MetalWolf: yeah sorry. mdadm is nice for whole drive falures, but totally incompetent for blockwise corruption.
[21:04] <blackflow> andrew09: that's not a regular package in Ubuntu, right?
[21:05] <takeme> i can’t open terminal after upgrade what’s wrong? help me ubuntu users :(
[21:06] <andrew09> blackflow: do you know the path of these "shared libraries", I want to copy the file but I don't know where.
[21:08] <blackflow> andrew09: usually they're installed under /lib/ and /usr/lib/
[21:09] <qwebirc39676> hi
[21:10] <qwebirc39676> someone could help with ubuntu 18.04 stuck at boot with message "A start job is running for Hold ut...finished up""
[21:12] <Bashing-om> qwebirc39676: This one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1779476 ?
[21:12] <qwebirc39676> How to identify which job hangs ?
[21:16] <blackflow> qwebirc39676: it's plymouth-quit-wait.service.   See if removing 'splash' from kernel command line in grub helps
[21:17] <qwebirc39676> ok I'll try
[21:22] <qwebirc39676> @blackflow yes it helped
[21:23] <qwebirc39676> #blackflow but it still don't boor
[21:23] <qwebirc39676> *boot
[21:24] <blackflow> qwebirc39676: read the bug Bashing-om linked above. if you're hit by that entropy problem, moving mouse around for a few seconds should help. If it does, install 'haveged' when you log in.
[21:24] <blackflow> !info haveged
[21:25] <Thorkel> hi
[21:25] <Thorkel> good night to every one
[21:26] <Urbanecm> Hi Thorkel!
[21:26] <Thorkel> Urbanecm
[21:26] <Thorkel> thanks for the welcome
[21:27] <Urbanecm> Yw, can I help you somehow Thorkel?
[21:27] <Thorkel> if you wanna...
[21:27] <Thorkel> i'v got a problem with Lubuntu
[21:27] <Urbanecm> Just write your question, somebody will reply :)
[21:28] <Thorkel> great
[21:29] <Thorkel> i'v got a old pc running Lubuntu but did not detect de intel GMA3000 graphics card
[21:30] <Thorkel> i'v been looking arround on the web for 4 or more hours but didn't find out a solution
[21:30] <Thorkel> have some one of you any whay to solve this situation?
[21:30] <Thorkel> i'v downloaded the intel privative drivers but i dont find the way to install them
[21:31] <Urbanecm> Hmm, that isn't anything I understand, sorry. Hopefully somebody else will know
[21:31] <qwebirc14881> hi i have been trying all day to get my wifi to work its a rtl8723be
[21:31] <Thorkel> thanks in any case Urbanecm
[21:31] <Urbanecm> yw
[21:38] <qwebirc14881> can someone help me with the RTL8723BE, i tried the stuff on the forum and online and none of it is working :S
[21:44] <Thorkel> jorl
[21:44] <Thorkel> no one is talking here
[21:44] <Thorkel> miss ye old goode days
[21:45] <qwebirc39676> I am talking to my walking-dead machine right know and it doesn't want to cooperate...
[21:58] <Roland-> hi folks, quick one anyway I can disable auto power off monitors on lock, but still able to lock
[21:58] <Roland-> I have a docking station, to power back on and login takes more than one minute
[21:59] <Roland-> seems like a gnome3 feature
[22:12] <Lope> what's the difference between ubuntu server and ubuntu live server?
[22:19] <hggdh> Lope: none
[22:19] <Lope> okay, thanks
[22:20] <Lope> I've gotta shutdown now, take care
[22:24] <tkzv> Hello, can anybody tell if the default Vim has +cipboard feature enabled?
[22:24] <tkzv> I can't make "p* or "p+ to work
[22:27] <tkzv> Found :version. No, it doesn't. Does anybody know the package where it does?
[22:40] <mrpanda> hello
[22:40] <mrpanda> ● systemd-modules-load.service loaded failed failed    Load Kernel Modules
[22:40] <mrpanda> how do i know wich kernel the system is ??
[22:42] <genii> uname -a
[22:43] <mrpanda> already had some strange spam virus in lubuntu/firefox
[22:44] <mrpanda> i thought that was almost impossible
[22:46] <ammiegirl808_> REGISTER Passw0rd! ammiegirl808@gmail.com
[22:46] <mrpanda> well back to da drawing board
[22:48] <Bitcoiner69> how can I make my ubuntu instance turn into a router?
[22:56] <confluency> I strongly suggest a better password. :/
[23:28] <whoamianymore> How do you pronounce awk?
[23:32] <conr> Can anyone help with booting Ubuntu 16.04 with grub when I accidentally installed Kali with Katoolin?
[23:40] <confluency> whoamianymore: exactly the way you spell it.
[23:41] <confluency> whoamianymore: "awk", clearly.
[23:41] <whoamianymore> confluency: Is the k not silent though?
[23:42] <confluency> I have no idea. I just say "awk".
[23:42] <whoamianymore> But you ignore the silent k and silent w?
[23:43] <confluency> I just hold my breath for three letters.
[23:43] <confluency> You know, the way you normally say "awk".
[23:44] <whoamianymore> I just find it odd you ignore the silent k, as well as the silent w and a
[23:44] <confluency> Everyone knows what I mean; when I say "sed" that's also three silent letters but the tone is completely different.
[23:44] <whoamianymore> I just grunt
[23:44] <confluency> No, no, that's vim.
[23:45] <whoamianymore> This all came from me trying to find a cli text editor for windows
[23:45] <confluency> awk is a bold choice, but I can see how you could make that work.
[23:46] <whoamianymore> I wanted something like nano tbh
[23:46] <confluency> Well, that's four letters. That won't work at all.