[00:31] <ducasse> guiverc: just a note - afaik lightdm actually has more features than gdm, like the ability to automatically spawn a vnc server and xdmcp support
[00:52] <guiverc> thanks ducasse ; that would explain the ubuntu* using it (I suspect they added the features & my comment was from where it started & thus so-so-so-so-out-of-date
[00:53] <guiverc> i use hexchat - every so often it puts a line across the window; why is what?  does it signify anything?  (it's not all the same time in different windows)...  feel free to tell me to go read doco though :)
[00:54] <daftykins> it's a scrollback line ja, i believe its' purpose is to point out the messages you haven't seen yet (below) when you switch tasks
[00:54] <ducasse> i dunno, weechat does that to separate new, unread messages from old
[00:57] <guiverc> that makes a lot of sense :)
[02:05] <hggdh> on weechat, when you return to a channel, a line of '-' is printed to show where you were last time in the channel
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:51] <ducasse> good morning
[06:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:07] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[06:08] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje , ducasse
[06:08] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you guys?
[06:09] <ducasse> all ok here, i think :)
[07:06] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:13] <lordievader> Hugo is quite nice 😁
[07:14] <lordievader> Started playing with it last week.
[07:14] <lordievader> Building a website in markdown is a whole lot better than in Worpress.
[07:20] <ducasse> morning EriC^^
[07:35] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[09:04] <tomreyn> looks like the man is in phocean's computer
[09:05] <JimBuntu> "man in the machine" ?
[09:17] <tomreyn> i was merely joking about the apparmor line they posted
[09:18] <tomreyn> 'man' got denied ptrace on self
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:16] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj - how are you doing?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse , doing well thanks , and how are you?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> was checking out  airbnb cottages for a family get together, hence my late reply
[11:46] <ducasse> i'm ok, thanks - having a quiet day here
[11:47] <ducasse> no real plans, which is kind of nice :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> cool.good to relax :-)
[11:56] <ducasse> how about you, BluesKaj - any plans today?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not too much. might take a drive to the North Channel of Georgian Bay which is on Lake Huron (one of the "Great Lakes in NA). only 25km from me.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> I have some friends there
[12:38] <ducasse> sounds fun - have a good trip :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse :-)
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> it's a strange one out there
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> 1700 users, neat
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> 1705
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> 1704
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> :-P
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> haha
[16:42] <oerheks> 2 users, rest is lonely
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: Why do you do that? What is wrong with providing a simple answer to someone. I know there are lots of mirrors, but to download from them, means one should also verify the checksum and everything. ubuntu.com is under Canonical's control.
[16:50] <oerheks> this sphinx dude does not even mention the brand and the repo he refers too..
[16:51] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: to say only .ubuntu.com URL's host official images is just plain false. I get what you're saying and there are better ways to get across the point to sphinx.
[16:52] <oerheks> sqeeze the info out of him :-D
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> new netplan version on updates
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> I agree, it's an over simplification. I go when someone is giving limited information, then either they're hiding something or possibly just not that familiar with the ecosystem. I feel it better to error on side of caution.
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> hmm they should have been put users in main system settings, instead of tree of details
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> in gnome
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> oh well they can find it too in right upper corner i guess
[17:03] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I agree with most of your statement. But I really dislike over simplification when the answer is yes or no and is just false. In those cases, I try to word it appropriately
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: licking icecreams? lol
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> what about support!
[17:57] <oerheks> all support seems to be extra lazy today .. those who seek support i mean
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> weird with 1705 users
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> oops 1717
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> alot of cpu fans blowing at same time now..
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> next week 2000! :p
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> holiday is over guys, millions xenial users come nag about slow gnome system
[17:59] <blackflow> LTS upgrade?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> haha yeah
[17:59] <blackflow> PLUS Friday!
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> nobody believes the storm blackflow snif
[18:00] <blackflow> hmm?
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> the xenial upgrade storm
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> dont you think they will press the button?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-340 bionic
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: I'm wondering if there is an issue with Rumens locale being russian, and the drivers possibly looking for something in english
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: hmm not sure, i see it uninstalls 390..but then 340 gets faulty?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: perhaps a cache clean needed?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.distrib' with
[18:05] <lotuspsychje>   different file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1', not allowed
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> think ive seen this before
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> think it needs a removal
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> oh... that looks like a PPA conflict
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> right
[18:18] <blackflow> lol! that video request is....   omg kids these days.
[18:18] <blackflow> "is there an android app that will do that for me!"
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> i wanna check in from my mobile
[18:20] <oerheks> i am not even bing-ing it
[18:20] <oerheks> too lazy today
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> What's worse, those videos tpyically have incorrect information. Especially since they don't cover forks that occur when one person's setup isn't exactly the same as the video
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: Joy! New Nvidia drivers are waiting for installation on my home machine :-(... Do I risk it after all the trouble Ruman is having?
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> dont forget we have these :p https://www.wikihow.com/Category:Ubuntu
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: yeah, its 340 that is killing him
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> I thought they had issues with 39x series... since their request started with them attempting to ugprade to a newer GPU card
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> his card cant swallow 390
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> They have another card lotuspsychje ... they went back to the first card
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> never seen his source question
[18:24] <oerheks> that other card, is that onboard? nvidia 215 sounds like that
[18:24] <oerheks> maybe he has onboard as primairy
[18:24] <oerheks> and it is too hot to look into the bios
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: he might made a mess out of it
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> 🤣 I can't even with fwef
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> I also can't understand why someone would pay a premium price for a macbook or any apple computer, to install linux/ubuntu on. It just seems so.. very... odd
[18:31] <blackflow> I can't understand why would someone pay a premum for that. At. All.
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> weird cause we have users saying bionic worked nice on their mac
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> he was n discuss for a while
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> If you let the mac age a bit... it seems the support catches up
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> Apple is notorius for installing devices that don't adhere to standards ... especialy keybaords and mice
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> this looks nice: https://nixaid.com/linux-on-macbookpro/
[18:33] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: the faulty kbds they then REFUSE to fix/replace?
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know about those ones... I know their bluetooth keyboards don't play ball
[18:34] <blackflow> for this here alone, I would never, ever use crapple even if given for free (I'd sell off on ebay to some gullible mac hypster).   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-NU7yOSElE
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: There's a whole ton to that story though
[18:35] <blackflow> you really have to be <insert serious insults> gullible to buy that carp. and I don't mean the fish.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> I love that video with the spark added for dramatic effect
[18:35] <blackflow> I personally know some mac users who got played nicely by their local mac repair shops with a big fat NO.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> The running gag with Linux Tech Tips and dropping things!
[18:36] <blackflow> heh :)
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> err.. .Linus Tech Tips
[18:37] <blackflow> I have that vid bookmarked so I send it to anyone who asks me whether they should get a mac.
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> to be fair... LTT got a refusal for reasons outside of what happened...
[18:39] <blackflow> and of the two users I know are buying only mac stuff, I swear, they do it _only_ because it's Apple. Prestige. Literally all they do is use safari on their macs. and all the array of modern social herpderps on their iphones.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> most of it was due to the fact that Apple has a really *ryhmes with trucked* up repair network, in the effort of preventing parts from landing in the mainstream markets.
[18:40] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: but that's exactly the thing.
[18:40] <blackflow> they're about "preventing". all the time. constantly. everything.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> For LTT... one of the bigger issues were none of the auth repair service techinicans in canada had received the training or certifications required to purchase the replacement parts through the apple repair network
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> Thing is... you can easily pick up a macbook shell in a lot of markets... and probably take the cover off an similar form factor laptop from Acer, HP, or other brand... and no one would know the difference if you swapped it
[18:42] <blackflow> something tells me alibaba is full of counterfeit apple replacement parts :)
[18:46] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hiya!
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> audio seems to remain a problem
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you got query on?
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> yay... petro is trolling again
[19:23] <blackflow> he never stopped really.
[19:24] <hggdh> stopped now, it seems
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx for checking hggdh
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> its one of those hard to catches
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> or not lol
[19:28] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: reboot and try again? :)))
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> for his lock
[19:29] <blackflow> he just needs sudo
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> seems like he wont reboot anyway :p
[19:32] <blackflow> also I think just pkilling packagekit should fix dpkg lock issues, in most cases it's because packagekit is fiddling with it in the background
[19:35] <nacc> a week away from irc and my patience is still zero
[19:35] <nacc> blackflow: good luck :)
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> but but we need you at ltsupgrade storm nacc :p
[19:37] <blackflow> I have this nagging suspicion that this is the same user as that petro....
[19:37]  * lotuspsychje is loading positive vibes
[19:37] <blackflow> when's that btw, 26th amirite?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> 26 yeah
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !release
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> hmm doesnt show yet
[19:43] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, i'll be around :)
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> yess
[20:01] <leftyfb> man, all out today aren't they?
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> troll heaven
[20:01] <leftyfb> not trolls really
[20:03] <blackflow> eh... they left. was about tot ell them all those games are available through web based interpreters..... neway...
[20:16] <hggdh> it's the International Trolling Day :-)
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> nite nite
[20:22] <leftyfb> lol
[20:24] <leftyfb> it's just some kid who wants to doubleclick a thing and play free games
[20:24] <hggdh> they are not trolls indeed. They sound more like ignorant users that wish to keep ignorant
[20:25] <leftyfb> bingo
[20:25] <hggdh> point being that I quick google for 'inform linux' returned a series of entries explaining how to
[20:26] <leftyfb> on an unrelated note, Prime day is failing spectacularly
[20:26] <blackflow> hggdh: "I don't want to listen for your help, I want to do it this particular way even though it's not designed to do that"     is trolling to me.
[20:27] <hggdh> blackflow: not really. People are resistant to change, and expect things to be the same *even* if the underlying "reality" has changed
[20:28] <hggdh> I remember one specific teaching day where I was confronted with something like that, and tried to explain in many different ways why it would not work anymore
[20:28] <hggdh> eventually, I lost my cool, and told the student to go and do something else from computers
[20:29] <hggdh> (which made me even more willing to understand the PoV of others -- after my outburst, I felt bad)
[20:30] <blackflow> why felt bad. some people are beyond help.
[20:31] <hggdh> a real question (from Petro): what is "task manager" on Ubuntu?
[20:31] <hggdh> blackflow: indeed, but I feel that an effort to understand is always warranted
[20:34] <blackflow> I do have a very short fuse for people who shouldn't be running servers, running servers. that's just... like DUI. and sometimes with potentially equally lethal consequences.
[20:34] <blackflow> hggdh: btw, if you haven't noticed, #ubuntu-server :)
[20:35] <nacc> i'll deal with it, as best i can :)
[20:38] <oerheks> if this behaviour is happening in my area, i'd say a thunderstorm is comming.. but this is global
[20:40] <hggdh> p1l0t is probably talking biut the initramfs re-do that happens on the (still) existing kernels
[20:41] <blackflow> ugh!
[20:43] <nacc> hggdh: oh good point
[20:49] <EriC^^> evening all
[20:51] <oerheks> hi EriC^^
[20:51] <EriC^^> hi oerheks o/
[22:05] <Mystic_Reverie> do any of u people remember telling me i dont have to use terminal much. or i dont have to study that kind of stuff if i prefer a gui?
[22:05] <Mystic_Reverie> and me saying that was a condition of me installing ubuntu?
[22:06] <Mystic_Reverie> now i have it installed im being forced to study terminal crap instead of just getting help installing stuff
[22:07] <Mystic_Reverie> if u guys werent gonna help the way i wanted, i never would have installed it
[22:07] <Mystic_Reverie> cheers snobs
[22:09] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: you chose a terminal application to play games, not us
[22:09] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: There's also no need for the namecalling
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> its not just that
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> its other stuff
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> dont advertise to people ubuntu is easy to use, then reel people in, then not give them simple help when they want it.  i dont want to study terminal and install guides
[22:10] <Mystic_Reverie> and made that clear
[22:10] <Mystic_Reverie> if u wont help people like me.. then let us know before hand, and we wont even install linux
[22:10] <leftyfb> What help have you asked for with ubuntu that you have not received?
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> ive received a lot of help.  but also received a lot of comment about 'g ostudy ' go read up' also
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> i was never interested in doing that
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> and if i knew it was a prerequisite, i simply would not have installed it
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> the attitud ein her echanges once i actually install it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> pushing me to leatrn things i explicitly said i have no interest in spending time on
[22:12] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: again, you installed an interpreter to play games. Nobody does that and refuses to read the documentation on how to use it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> there is a gui for it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> and thats just one example anyway
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: The package you installed is not a GUI that opens up on it's own.
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> yes , but i ibvioulsy wanted a gui
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> everyone knows that
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> instead i ge tsnobby comments about what i installed
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> whats the point
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: sorry, but not everyone follows everything you say. Some of us have lives outside an IRC support channel.
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> i dso too
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> thats why i was wary about installing linux. and was told it would be this way
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> yet it is
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> told it wouldnt be this way *
[22:14] <leftyfb> Then don't expect laser perfect support for your every need ... especially from a community of volunteers. If you don't want to read how to do anything or are not interested in ever opening up a terminal, then go back to Windows.
[22:15] <Mystic_Reverie> then tell me that IN THE FIRST PLACE .  u people reel people like me in. with literal promises of linux being as easy as windows
[22:15] <leftyfb> You have unfounded expectations that everything with a computer will always be point and click and everything will be handed to you on a silver platter. Good luck with that
[22:16] <leftyfb> "you people"
[22:16] <Mystic_Reverie> and when it gets hard,  slag us of for not learning terminal.. or tell us go bac kto windows
[22:16] <leftyfb> ok, goodbye
[22:16] <Mystic_Reverie> yea
[22:16] <Mystic_Reverie> fuk off
[22:16] <leftyfb> bets on when he'll be back?
[22:44] <hggdh> oh darn! Now we lost a paying customer!
[22:44] <hggdh> wait
[22:44] <hggdh> it is free...
[22:44] <hggdh> ah well