[00:00] the last time I upgraded the ubuntu version, I ran into problems in which I couldn't boot - I had to use an older kernel or other way to boot [00:02] just got the strangest pm from some guy names nicknet [00:05] O_~ [00:07] greatgatsby, is there a way to switch to LightDM I confirmed im running GDM [00:07] and my login time is really slow [00:10] Guest28537, if it is already installed; `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm` (or could be gdm3.. etc) will ask you which of installed you wish to use [00:11] what if I want to use apt? [00:12] Guest28537, ps: if it relates to a discussed issue, i'm not privy to that, so i was answering your last question only [00:12] can I just purge it and then reinstall [00:12] ive never learned dpkg [00:12] why? if you use apt; it'll cause the dpkg-reconfigure process to run at the end of install??? [00:13] apt is a front end of dpkg... it just gets the packages, dpkg does the actual isntall [00:14] hm okay [00:14] dpkg == deb package manager; the tool that works with deb's (already downloaded) [00:14] ill give it a try [00:14] so dpkg came first? [00:14] before apt? [00:15] nice I switched it [00:15] :) [00:16] yep Guest28537, dpkg-reconfigure causes the installation-scripts used when package was first installed to be re-run (which is what your purge, re-install would have caused to occur, but with a lot less work) [00:16] is lightdm less secure though than the full gdm? [00:16] i can't answer that; it contains less functionality I believe (thus saving memory & making it lighter..); no idea about security sorry [00:19] fascinating stuff [00:21] hm i should learn more about anonymity and hardening my system im interested in that. not because im hiding anything but just think its importan to know [00:25] same problem in ubuntu every time....it does not automount hard drives [00:25] so annoying [00:25] Guest28537, just so know, ubuntu sucks [00:25] so many bugs in it [00:25] that they never fix [00:26] constant freezes - mouse works but can't click anything [00:26] they also refuse to fix bugs in which a hacker can gain access to your system [00:27] and ubuntu tells the forum admins to remove ppl they don't like === bhalithan1 is now known as bhalithan [00:28] https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3035619/ubuntu-lock-screen-bug [00:28] e.g. [00:29] fortunately, there's some really good people who use it for some reason...who will help but you have to find them or wait for them to show up :) [00:30] I have to reboot my machine because it won't mount my HDD [00:30] unreal [00:30] even in windows, it will detect the hd [00:32] can someone help me get private internet access working on a Ubuntu VM? === bhalithan1 is now known as bhalithan [00:32] it seems to be installed but i can't see a way in the GUI to edit the settings [00:33] petro: win not detect ubuntu system hdd [00:33] file system [00:34] linext, I have it installed natively..why do you use it in a VM? [00:35] lamerche, but, windows detects HDs w NTFS [00:35] there's no mounting problem [00:35] petro, to keep only certain traffic on VPN [00:35] I know I can manually mount it but it's a hassle and I forget the commands [00:36] are you using windows? [00:36] what vm is it? [00:36] I probably cannot help but I know I had problems with PIA in the past but not with VM use [00:37] it might have to do with the VM.... === andyhuzhill_ is now known as andyhuzhill [00:37] I guess I have to reboot my machine... I want to back up my work to my external HDD...so, I can try to upgrade to 18.04 soon [00:37] i think i got it working [00:38] it required installing a few things first [00:40] is there a going concensus on what the best IRC client is for ubuntu? [00:41] Mead: 'best' is totally subjective [00:42] I use hexchat usually [00:43] ducasse: what irc client are you using right now? [00:43] Mead: weechat, fwiw [00:52] what are the rules to selling an Orange Pi Zero with ubuntu installed [00:52] does anyone on the ubuntu team care [00:53] =) [00:53] I like HexChat [00:53] xoxo: there's nothing wrong with that [00:53] woo ok [00:53] thank you [00:53] before that I used Konversation [00:54] sonicwind: you might want to try #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for Ubuntu support [00:54] Mead asked, so I answered... sorry [00:58] Greetings, I am curious if anyone has encountered an issue after update/reboot where the machine hangs on "Started GNOME Display Manager. Dispatcher Service...tem changes.pp link was shut down...." [01:02] How do I disable my laptop from suspending when on AC? [01:02] with the command line === BlackJack|2 is now known as amatiorche [01:11] how come when I run getent services I get a list of about 6000 different services half of which I appear to not even need (netbios? LDAP running on port 123 --- why would I need ldap ? ) [01:11] its just a desktop [01:12] Ubuntu 18.04 [01:12] should I modify my /etc/rc.local or w/e and remove half of them? [01:12] or am I missing something here [01:19] :q [01:40] <_novgorod> _greetings all [01:41] hello [01:43] <_novgorod> not much happening here from the look of things.. [01:55] presume not. :-) === ASDL is now known as SPeedY [02:24] what irc tool are you using [02:27] Lucas: You meant the irc client ? .. I use irssi - hexchat and weechat are also quite popular. [02:28] hexchat [02:31] the #ubuntu channel is quiet enough to hear the mosquito singing [02:36] do you guys know if nvidia-dkms is hackabe? I always wondered if anyone tried to mess with source tree and building a customized nvida module [02:37] I love mia khalifa, more not love ubuntu, bye! [02:37] is a chromebook the cheapest bestest Ubuntu laptop ? [02:39] xoxo: I would say a thinkpad t500/w500, t400s x200 etc are the cheapest, decent linux laptops in general [02:39] if not running a heavy DE [02:40] xoxo, cheapest & bestest I don't think go together; what i value in a machine means I'd prefer a second hand x86 laptop (a shorter battery life won't worry me) [02:44] (sorry for last, I didn't realize this was #ubuntu) [02:47] I have a question, but it's about an past-its-lifetime version... [02:48] is that ok? [02:49] nobody will slap you for asking, i guess. [02:50] I seem to have broken LXDE in Lubuntu 13.04 while trying to install something in wine, though it works ok in the guest account, but the main account just gets the background and a non-functioning openbox menu [02:55] boblamont, two options come to mind, `dpkg-reconfigure` for the package involved (assuming its not a config option you've set), or if it is something you've set (config in your home directory), you could copy the working config for the 'guest' over your own config file (in your $HOME); remembring to `chown` etc to make it yours after `cp` [02:56] boblamont: Lubuntu 13.04? [02:56] boblamont: as you mentioned, that is WAY EOL [02:56] as in 5 years [02:57] boblamont: it's going to take you less effort to reinstall a supported version and restore your files from backup [02:57] leftyfb: yes, I kind of keep it around because of the wine junk [02:57] boblamont: I think you can just backup and restore ~/.wine and keep all your wine applications [02:58] leftyfb: I figured the installed programs would have to be installed fresh with a newer version of wine [02:59] boblamont: shouldn't be too hard to test [03:00] leftyfb: but if I wipe the old one to put in the new one, they'll be gone if it doesn't work [03:00] boblamont: try with a live cd or another computer or a VM [03:00] is there a live cd with wine? [03:01] boblamont: you can install it [03:02] leftyfb: I suppose it's worth a shot === thelounge85 is now known as me === me is now known as merer [03:04] I installed the newest version of Ubuntu but the fan on my laptop is not working [03:04] Can someone help me get it to turn on when needed? [03:04] but I'll try dpkg-reconfigure, too like guiverc sugested, and maybe copy over the config file .. I'm kind of worried I have logins and stuff saved that I don't easily have written down (I know they're somewhere) [03:20] I'm trying to compile the linux-hwe-4.15.0 sources with the ath9k module [03:21] boblamont, if you're scared something will be mucked up by a change (copying a config, even a dpkg-rec..) just make a backup copy of what gets affected, and restore it it if doesn't help (I often use this to `diff` & see what differences it makes, so I can better understand what was done, what changes were done etc)... dpkg-recon will require quite a few files to be `cp` (backed up, which varies on package) [03:21] the compilation goes without errors, but no ath9k binary is produced [03:21] if I tee the make output, it just skips the whole net/wireless/ath9k directory [03:23] I've double checked the .config and it definitely does have CONFIG_ATH9K=m [03:25] any idea why on earth the module is not being compiled when it should be? especially since the make output has no errors [03:28] cjoseph, note: i'm no expert; but compiling the kernel does not compile the modules; it's a different step (you should have makefile & kbuild [module]) https://linux-kernel-labs.github.io/master/labs/kernel_modules.html [03:29] guiverc: I know, but there should be a CC[M] net/wireless/atheros line [03:29] during the make [03:29] hello all. will the encrypted partition on same drive be still accesible after reinstalling ubuntu? [03:29] the 'make modules' [03:29] and 'make modules_install' steps both don't produce any ath9k output either [03:30] and of course the binary ath9k.ko is never produced either [03:32] cjoseph, as stated; i'm no expert, but I'd check your makefile for the kbuild as per aforementioned link (I can't offer more than that sorry mate) [03:35] skeh: yes [03:35] if you have password/key [03:37] skeh, i agree with amazoniantoad; I recently upgraded a system (encrypted home folder only) and had issues during install; one package was missed; once that package was installed it was perfect (i'm using it now; folder encrypted) --- but backup your data regardless! [03:44] amazoniantoad guiverc the drive was encrypted using right click > format > type > encrypted , no pass/key was made [03:44] ..it should be still existing & accesible after the reinstall right? [03:46] skeh, grab it before you upgrade; `ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase` [03:47] guiverc,otherwise it wont be accesible or present? [03:50] primarily just to be safe; not I'm no expert with encryption. my comment was that I'd installed with an encrypted folder; once the upgrade was complete (and I fixed a missing package) it just worked. I didn't need the key, but if you didn't record the password/key as previously stated; I'd record it (elsewhere) before you attempt.. [03:51] ok.tnx for the tip [03:54] Is anyone aware of a "freetype-freeworld" package (ala Fedora) that enables the patented subpixel rendering mode? (Not to be confused the with new subpixel hinting mode which has been enabled by default in freetype since 2.7) [03:56] halou [03:56] dfsdfs [03:57] is it possible to merge partitions - sda4 & sda5 http://img298.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97061_partit_122_509lo.jpg [03:58] wqeqw [04:00] skeh: not directly. You'll need to backup the data on sda4, delete sda4, then extend sda3/sda5 forward. [04:00] skeh, i don't know any way except by being destructive; lvm allows more, not ext [04:00] sorry Flannel [04:01] skeh: expanding sda3/sda5 forward is doable "in one step" with modern tools (because they hide the actual mechanisms, its techncially not possible to move the start directly, but it can be emulated as long as the partition has enough free space) [04:01] guiverc: No worries [04:03] skeh: Actually, you have enough room to just move sda5's contents onto sda4, then delete sda5 and expand sda4 backward. [04:03] So, that'd be fewer steps. [04:05] * skeh analyzing [04:07] flannel , delete sda5 and expand sda4 backward. --> last option [04:08] Flannel, what modern tools are you referring? [04:09] delete sda4, then extend sda3/sda5 forward --> acceptable [04:13] what partitioning style is convenient if i plan to add another distro or resize a partition in the future ? [04:16] Flannel, just move sda5's contents onto sda4 --> ubuntu was installed @ sda5,is it possible to relocate it? [04:37] i have a serious problem with ubuntu 18. Every time I put a usb drive in and i dont explicitly eject it between boots, it gets stuck trying to mount it. Usually it wouldnt be a huge deal but this time i actually corrupted said usb drive and now I cant boot in at all. I'm just sitting here in maintenance mode. How do I fix this nonsense? [04:50] anyone? [05:09] pantato, that sounds like (booting usb) a bios or eufi config issue; where it's told to boot usb; ubuntu could only be an issue if ubuntu was on usb i'd suspect [05:11] guiverc: i ended up resolving the issue. Thanks [05:12] if you're stuck in recovery mode; I'd suspect a fs couldn't mount; hence if were my system I'd boot a 'live' system & fsck your partitions etc... :) [05:12] I wouldn't mind hearing what was the solution [05:13] HY [05:14] HY RED QUEEN [05:17] Hi. [05:18] how to make ubuntu take back control from external monitor and treat laptop monitor as the only monitor, when suddenly electricity is off and external monitor not working. [05:24] Abhijit, on at least one thinkpad; I can fn + (blue screen button on key) to switch between 2/mirror/disable but I know it doesn't work on all environments.. i'd probably then switch to term & run xrandr/arandr script (I have scripts that enable/disable external to save me remembering the real commands) [05:25] Anyone know how to change the master password for the alpine mail password file? [05:27] guiverc, ok. let me check. === panda is now known as Guest2538 === S_Gautam_ is now known as S_Gautam [06:01] hi, how should I scan my signature. It is for an online application. Is there a specific program to so that? [06:04] would scanning it from a white piece of paper and crop it with gimp work? [06:09] bag: scanning it would probably work, take a picture of it might work depending on how decent a picture you can get (both still would need cropping) [06:09] boblamont, what other optines there are? [06:10] options [06:10] do you have a graphics tablet? you could sign on that [06:10] nope [06:11] I think most people probably scan just because it's (a) easy and (b) most people's printer has a scanner they never use [06:11] good, im scanning [06:12] boblamont, are you good with gimp? [06:12] bag: depends on what needs to be done with it [06:12] ah, please join #gimp === export_ is now known as 07IADD94Y === 07IADD94Y is now known as export [06:16] iwconfig returns that my wifi card is named wlp2s0. but /dev/wlp2s0 doesn't exist. where is it? [06:17] lol-md5: there are no /dev entries for network interfaces [06:18] whaaa [06:18] how am i supposed to use macchanger or ifconfig down? [06:18] never has been [06:18] oh wait [06:18] i'm dumb [06:18] just use the interface name [06:20] thanks [06:21] yea === anna is now known as Guest34800 [07:03] Hi everyone [07:06] hello [07:06] hi === deerbard is now known as deerbot === deerbot is now known as deerbard === sysadm is now known as ClotherMo [08:05] could I ask about snapcraft related questions about the kernel here? the guys at #snappy seems asleep [08:06] you can try, but you might be better off waiting for them [08:22] how do you restrict the workspace switcher from showing windows in other workspaces? [08:24] nevermind had to install multi-monitor addon [08:27] hello [08:28] hi asdfgh [08:28] I am using win 10 pro, but i would like to give ubuntu 18.04 a try. is it stable now? i know that when a new OS exit is far from stable... [08:28] hi tomreyn [08:29] "stable"? "new"? === muresanvlad_ is now known as Murii__ [08:30] asdfgh: there are still some bugs in it, but 18.04.1 will release in a couple days, on July 26th. [08:32] Hello, I just installed Ubuntu from an USB Stick on Harddrive, but deleted that Partition and runs Command to fix bootmanager, as it is written on Internet to remove it. [08:33] But now i see two Lines of Ubuntu on Boot installed on Harddrive. [08:33] ok [08:33] thanks tomreyn [08:34] Starting in safe mode a window appears with "Stack overflow,... or smthng lika ths. [08:36] hello [08:36] anyone is here? [08:36] Hi [08:36] need fast ubuntu help :/ [08:37] I started Text yet. [08:37] ask your question qwebirc36548, if someone knows the answer they'll answer (try & keep to a single line, and please be patient) [08:37] First i get Failes to connect to lvmetad [08:38] that's a warning only, you can usually ignore it. [08:39] Especially i like Design of it, but don't know issue running Windows twice. === bogdan_ is now known as Bogdar [08:41] qwebirc23566: if you're still loking for support, you'll need to provide more details. also post the tuorial / guide you are following. [08:42] Ok, i don't have any Links to it. I just wan't to tell why I have done it so. [08:42] Because... [08:43] There wasn't any Files on Partition! [08:48] qwebirc23566: the way i read "Hello, I just installed Ubuntu from an USB Stick on Harddrive, but deleted that Partition and runs Command to fix bootmanager, as it is written on Internet to remove it." is: I installed some version of ubuntu to one of my HDDs, then deleted the partition i installed it to, and ran some command which i was hoping would somehow fix somethign with booting. i used some howto somewhere on the internet. [08:49] "two Lines of Ubuntu on Boot installed on Harddrive" is pretty ambiguous, too, and ubuntu does not provide "safe mode", maybe you mean "recovery"? [08:49] h.. [08:49] or maybe you still have some windows version installed somewhere and started that in safe mode. [08:49] yes [08:50] I started it with UEFI. [08:50] try providing outut, screenshots, text. we only support ubuntu, not windows. [08:50] OK. [08:50] !paste | qwebirc23566 [08:50] qwebirc23566: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:50] !screenshots [08:50] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here. [08:51] but text is preferred, where possible [08:51] qwebirc36548: and second? [08:51] So i thank you within that and hope find a way to Fix it,.. [08:52] Good bye! [08:54] iiiiiii [09:01] hi [09:02] I have a strange alert from apparmor on man [09:02] it detects a ptrace call [09:02] apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="/usr/bin/man" pid=4981 comm="ps" requested_mask="trace" denied_mask="trace" peer="/usr/bin/man" [09:02] how is it possible? [09:04] phocean: how is what possible? the profile for usr.bin.man apparently does not allow ptrace on self [09:04] and indeed, the profile coming with Bionic does not [09:04] blackflow, I understand, but how a basic program like man is doing a ptrace? [09:05] phocean: on itself. it's not uncommon. [09:05] blackflow, really, I did not know [09:06] blackflow, then this might worth a bug issue for this profile [09:06] firefox does it for example. anyway, just add ptrace trace peer=/usr/bin/man, to local/usr.bin.man and file a bug report. Of cours, assuming that ptrace is legitimate, I don't know if it is. [09:07] blackflow, I am going to install a VM to check how it is on a fresh install [09:07] blackflow, just to make sure that my binary was not backdoored [09:08] blackflow, strace man ls 2>&1 | grep ptrace does not show the ptrace call, but I assume it's because strace is using ptrace itself, am I correct? [09:09] I'm not sure exactly which syscalls are covered by AA's "ptrace" rule [09:18] phocean: btw, that trace is coming from `ps` invoked in the context of that profile [09:19] man, that man profile is ugly...... /** mrixwlk, !! [09:27] blackflow, yeah, indeed [09:45] guys anyone of you by any chance know a good irc channel for learning languages (human) especially russian ? [09:47] !ot | duncan213 [09:47] duncan213: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [09:47] !alis | duncan213 [09:47] duncan213: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http" [10:07] hello, I am not familiar with permission commands..how can I assign read and write permissions to myself, and no permissions to groups and others? [10:07] for a folder [10:07] from the desktop or command-line? [10:07] fSharp: chmod 700 /file [10:07] from command line [10:07] wait you said read write, you dont want execute? [10:08] yeah chmod is what you need for that [10:08] chmod then 0 for nothing 1 for execute 2 for read 4 for write [10:08] EriC^^, without execute for this folder, yes [10:08] fSharp: ok, chmod 600 [10:08] you can combine them for read and write it's 6 [10:08] (fwiw you wont be able to cd into it without execute) [10:08] ah [10:09] but isn't "cd" about reading? [10:09] actually you won't be able to do anything i think [10:09] nope [10:09] ah [10:09] ok [10:09] cd = change directory [10:09] then with execute :) [10:09] fSharp: chmod 700 with execute [10:09] thank you, EriC^^! [10:09] fSharp: no problem [10:10] duncan213, yes, I will keep them in mind one day :) [10:11] :) [10:13] that day may be now, though. it seems to be about 4 numbers and adding them [10:14] for ex. if I wanted to give read-only to others, I'd assign 722, right? [10:15] fSharp: use the alpha permissions instead [10:15] meaning others and groups [10:15] ppf, I know what it is maybe I can :) [10:15] if I know [10:15] chmod u=rwx [10:16] chmod u=rwx,go= to make it rwx only for u [10:16] ah, that's what appears in terminal at the beginning of files, right? [10:16] yes, and it's identical to the above, just without having to mess with the dumb permission bits [10:17] and there's + and - instead of = to add/remove permissions [10:18] at first glance the former way seems easier :) [10:18] but at first glance, as I said [10:18] lol how [10:19] you just add the permissions you want the particular user to have [10:19] in the first method [10:19] chmod 700 is absolutely identical to chmod u=rwx,go= [10:20] the second is not yet clear to me, probably that's why [10:20] except the letter is readable [10:20] yes, identical to you :) [10:20] but I see it for the first time [10:20] that's why i'm telling you you can use the characters instead of octal bits ;) [10:21] because it's absolutely clear what they do [10:21] anyway, no worries. I trust it should be easier the way you say it..just I need to make a little search and go about it [10:22] isn't it self-explanatory? [10:22] not to me :) [10:22] u=rwx,go= is all I see [10:22] and dont know what to make of it [10:22] u means user, g is group, o is other [10:23] the flags are Read, Write, eXecute [10:23] ah, "go" [10:23] ok [10:23] Windows time screwed up after booting into Linux. I suspect one OS uses UTC and one uses Localtime. Which does Ubuntu use? [10:23] so it is just about writing them like that, i.e. u=rw,g=x,o=wx [10:24] yes [10:24] ok, you've been right [10:24] thx ;) [10:24] :) [10:24] thank you [10:24] fSharp: the chmod manpage explains it all nicely. manpages are your friends, use them. :) `man chmod` for more info. [10:25] there's also sTicky, Setuid, and capital X for sane udpates to the executable bit :) [10:25] ppf: what fun is sanity? :P [10:25] but what I said about being shown at the beginning of files was a bit different. it was with dashes..like rw--rwx--x etc..what are those dashes? [10:25] fSharp: the bit is not set [10:25] Hi all; Question about ubuntu:latest on docker hub. [10:26] plus you got an extra bit in there ;) [10:26] The kernel on this install from docker has kernel 4.13 [10:26] drwxrwxrwx is the full sequence; missing bits are replaced by a dash (in ls) [10:26] blackflow, yeah, maybe the kind of friendship that takes a bit of while to build :) [10:26] ubuntu 18.04 by default come with 4.15 [10:26] why it's wrong on docker hub ? [10:27] blackflow, joke aside, sure I'd take a look. I mean generally man pages seem sort of complex in their narrative style [10:29] as if assuming the reader to be above a certain knowledge level of the topic [10:29] fSharp: some are, most aren't. the chmod one isn't :) ideally, you should try to use and understand the manpages first, and if something needs clarification we're here to help. [10:30] fSharp: yes. using computers is not a trivial task, requires education and understanding. :) [10:30] ok [10:31] I agree, yes [10:32] Hello everyone, i'm not sure i'm in the right place, but i wanted to report that i downloaded the ubuntu 18.04 desktop iso from the ubuntu.com site(official), and halfway through the installation the antivirus(avast) found a trojan virus so it stopped the installation. [10:32] qwebirc15431: what antivirus [10:32] as in: how are you installing this that you have an AV running [10:32] avast :) but I think the question is what VIRUS? [10:33] blackflow: not really ;) === erwinnovo is now known as easyOnMe [10:33] ppf: read the original post again? :) [10:33] the user is DOWNLOADINg, not installing. and using Avast for AV, that allegedly saw a trojan. [10:33] he said halfway through the installation [10:34] I'm erring on the most likely side of it, being a typo ;) [10:34] i think the installer might have been downloading stuff for free codecs etc [10:34] qwebirc15431: what installer [10:34] ubuntu installer? [10:34] how are you running the ubuntu installer and avast at the same time [10:35] as i said i was installing it in a virtualbox [10:35] you didn't [10:35] qwebirc15431: you most certainly did not say that. [10:35] and the avast from the windows host give me an error [10:35] oh [10:35] my bad [10:35] sry [10:36] why do people still use AV anyways ... [10:36] qwebirc15431, " and halfway through the installation the antivirus(avast) found a trojan virus so it stopped the installation." ... are you trying to install within windows??? [10:36] oh virtualbox, i missed that [10:36] we all did :) [10:36] bad antivirus, false positive [10:36] aren't they all bad [10:37] the REAL question here is WHAT virus. where, what path, how. [10:37] give me a second [10:37] as if avast could detect a virus if you hit it in the face with one [10:40] avast is one of those bad boys that MITM your encrypted mail connection so it could scan your mail. [10:40] yes :) [10:41] but AVs are bad across the board. there should be a law against them [10:41] but since we're not #windows, i shall stop ranting now :) [10:42] i restarted the installation to see what file is in the error [10:42] so, how is avast able to stop something _in_ virtualbox? [10:43] avast monitors download in the host, i guess [10:43] and kills the download, that makes sense [10:43] probably after uploading what you download into the cloud, for good measure ... [10:44] long time no hear about antivirus issues [10:44] that's true [10:45] it is ELF:Agent-RA [Trj]. hhtp://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.1_1.1Og-2ubuntu4.1_amd64.debidata.tar.xzl|data.tar|. \usr\lub\x86_64-linux-gnu\libcrypto.so.1.1 [10:45] hahahaha [10:45] * blackflow facepalms [10:46] my default stance is that people with AV problems deserve them, but this is just brilliant :D [10:47] I was suprised it even scanned the runing virtualmachine [10:47] well, regular users don't know better and think AVs are protective. [10:47] qwebirc15431: it didn't, it's scanning the host's network traffic [10:48] i know. we could blame the schools for not teaching security basics or something [10:48] blackflow: why wuldn't they be protective ? [10:48] so you guys saying it is a false error then [10:48] duncan213: they fundamentally can't be [10:49] I'm not using an Av at home and have used linux for like 6-7 years, so i don't trust them either [10:49] ppf, how is that ? [10:49] just wanted to make sure [10:49] duncan213: they detect only _known_ viruses. which can't infect you because you've kept your software up to date and closed any security holes [10:49] qwebirc15431, yes, the odd thing is: you are the first one, o the other hand, we should take this serious, but it is unlikely [10:49] and if it 's one of those that you actively have to click on, well that's on you [10:50] ppf, true but this is the purpose of viru writers they write up to date versions of viruses [10:50] duncan213: as a tradeof, they increase the attack surface of the system by factor a million. the AV is a priviledged process that _opens every file_ [10:50] duncan213: they somewhat are, in theory, but in practice they cause more trouble, especially when they MITM encrypted connections. [10:51]