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didrocksgood morning06:19
dufluHi didrocks. First as usual :)06:23
didrocksheh not sure what I win \o/06:23
didrockshow goes duflu?06:23
dufludidrocks, goes well. Somehow I am managing to get good sleep on Monday nights lately but never weekends06:24
dufluYou didrocks?06:24
didrocksI'm mostly ok, thanks! :)06:24
dufluHi seb128. I just deleted the BT meeting, based on Will's suggestion06:45
seb128good morning desktopers06:45
seb128hey duflu, that makes sense, thanks06:45
seb128how are you today?06:45
dufluseb128, going well, you?06:47
seb128I'm good, thanks!06:47
didrockshey seb12806:48
seb128hey didrocks06:48
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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:32
dufluMorning oSoMoN07:34
oSoMoNhey duflu07:36
* tsimonq2 waves to everyone :)07:41
dufluEveryone waves to tsimonq207:47
seb128lut oSoMoN, en forme ?07:47
seb128hey tsimonq207:47
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:48
oSoMoNpeu dormi, mais bien07:49
oSoMoNet toi?07:49
seb128levé un peu tôt mais j'ai pas à me plaindre sinon ;)07:49
Laneyboop08:01
oSoMoNhey Laney08:03
Laneymorning oSoMoN!08:07
Laneyall good?08:07
oSoMoNI'm good! you?08:07
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:14
Laneyhej hej seb12808:14
Laneyseb128: oSoMoN: GOOD!08:14
Laneythe rain that we might have had last night didn't come though08:15
Laney:'(08:15
Laneywhat about you?08:15
seb128it's a bit cooler here today, it has been raining somewhere during the night which is nice08:15
seb128we might have had a few drops in fact, it looked a bit like that this morning but we didn't hear anything so we are unsure :)08:16
Laney:308:20
tsimonq2TIL being part of the DMB means receiving notifications for e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/34967008:41
tsimonq2I've either not noticed it for the past few months for other teams or something isn't configured right. :P08:42
tsimonq2(Both of which are possible.)08:42
TrevinhoMorning08:47
TrevinhoAnd nice e emoji international day ❤️🎉💐🎁🤗08:47
TrevinhoLaney, aren't you celebrating it?08:48
Laney🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌08:49
Laneytsimonq2: you might have had that through the ubuntu-desktop list08:49
Laneyuse the X-Launchpad-* headers to filter it08:50
Laneyif you don't want to see those08:50
seb128hey Trevinho, how are you?08:53
andyrockhe all08:54
andyrock*hey 😅08:55
tsimonq2Laney: I don't particularly care, just wondering why :)08:56
tsimonq2Laney: 🦒 :P08:56
LaneyTIL there's a giraffe emoji08:59
Laneyhey andyrock08:59
Laneywhat up08:59
tsimonq2>:D09:00
Trevinhoseb128: hey, good...09:00
Trevinhoseb128: had time for that nautilus branch? I should also get the bionic one setup09:01
ogra_Laney, if you combine it with a sheep emoji you get an alpaca !09:05
TrevinhoLaney: cmon you're a living emojipedia...09:05
seb128hey Trevinho, do you ever sleep? No I didn't yet but it's on my list, I just finished dealing with emails/HR things09:06
ogra_(or a llama)09:06
TrevinhoAnyway this could be a good day for making Lennart happy and prepare a branch with lots of emoji09:06
Trevinhoseb128: ehehe, yes... Powerful 4hrs or so09:07
seb128you crazy man09:08
jameshhow do emoji sort according to the dpkg version comparison algorithm?09:09
Trevinhojamesh: jhemoji... It's the time 😅09:09
popeydidrocks: just got notified of a question that maybe you can answer :) https://askubuntu.com/questions/1055064/why-do-i-get-these-differences-on-ppa-vs-snap-communitheme-ubuntu-18-0409:09
tsimonq2jamesh: Asking the real questions :D09:11
jameshare smiley faces considered greater or less than frowning faces?09:11
Laneythe fun killers already thought of this and disallowed emoji 😭09:12
tsimonq2NOOOOO09:12
tsimonq2C'monn09:12
tsimonq2XD09:12
jameshis yellow skin newer or older than pink skin?09:12
tsimonq2Laney: So... has anyone actually tested that? :P09:13
Trevinhojamesh: the utf encoding is used as alternative I can guess, so.... Might be based on fifo?09:13
TrevinhoBut.... Actually that's the debian tools situation on supporting emoji as version component?09:13
tsimonq2I'm going to do a test build to a PPA trying this out...09:14
tsimonq2Just to confirm :P09:14
TrevinhoTime for a DEP-✍️?09:16
tsimonq2Darn09:17
tsimonq2debuild: warning:     debian/changelog(l1): version '1.🦒' is invalid: version number contains illegal character '�'09:17
TrevinhoLaney: fix that! 😝👀09:21
Laneysomethings are stronger than the efforts of humans09:22
Laneydebian policy is one of those things09:22
Laney🏋09:22
tsimonq2hehe09:22
tsimonq2Laney: In other words, the giraffe broke dpkg >_>09:23
tsimonq2It doesn't like it.09:23
seb128Trevinho, those search engine provider changes, did you get a code review from someone upstream or downstream yet?09:24
Trevinhoseb128: upstream...09:24
seb128why "..."?09:24
seb128was that a sarcastic reply, like "why upstream, it doesn't apply there"?09:25
* seb128 is not sure how to read your reply09:25
Trevinhoseb128: all the query code is ready for land upstream... It didn't since the I needed to rebase it, and I didn't do before the end of guadec. But I can ping Carlos09:25
seb128ok, let me re-ask09:25
seb128was the code in the diff from https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/349670 reviewed by someone already?09:26
seb128sorry your answer was not clear if it was yes or no09:26
Trevinhoseb128: ahaha, no. Just like (hit on thee imaginary mp link to see) 😅09:26
* Trevinho screws with normal signs today 09:26
Trevinhoanyways the parts that apply upstream have been reviewed and acked upstream09:27
seb128k09:28
seb128why is the show-error-if-volume-is-not-mounted.patch change not needed upstream?09:28
Trevinhoseb128: because it should be done in gtk, then ported to GNOME... But at the same time, I didn't see any report affecting other distros.09:29
seb128Trevinho, that's the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1764779 ?09:30
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1764779 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus crashed open Windows-partition" [High,In progress]09:30
Trevinhoits natural place would probably be glib, as it should return a Gerror in that case when on_mount is called, but I've no idea how to track that or reproduce09:30
Trevinhoso, this is the best-effort fix for us, but upstreaming that would be done or at GTK or at GLib level09:31
Trevinhoso, not needed for nautilus, that's what I meant.09:31
seb128Trevinho, see comment #9 from me on that bug, re "not seen in other distro"09:31
seb128"The issue is not Ubuntu specific, see https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/1743420/"09:31
seb128they don't have fc28 reports though so maybe it's fixed in some update09:32
Trevinhoseb128: exactly, I found it in RH bugzilla, but not happening in recent versions09:33
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seb128Trevinho, that's different from "I didn't see any report affecting other distros." :)09:34
Trevinhoat least, could happen, for sure there's some systemd involved there... See the bug log, but glib doesn't give that as an error, or maybe the unmount happens while the process is happening09:35
TrevinhoI skipped the "recent" :)09:35
seb128hehe09:35
seb128anyway, it feels like that there are enough code changes that we should have some code review09:35
seb128unsure what's the right place to do those/if a package update with patches diffs is a good way09:36
Trevinhoalso faf last night wasn't working when looking for volume_mount_ready_cb09:36
Trevinhomh09:36
seb128andyrock, Laney, would one of you have some cycles to help review the changes from Marco on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/349670 ? at least the bits that didn't get an upstream review09:36
andyrock1688 lines of diff mmm09:37
TrevinhoI'm anyway happy to propose the same on Gtk though, as it would make sense to be protect on that anyway, but I thought that it would have been better to do it at lower level, and I've not an idea of where that could be done, as looking at gunixfile a bit the mount operation is done as expected09:37
Trevinhowell, just use gbp -> export to patches (on pre and post) -> diff against previous :)09:38
andyrockI'll take a look but it could require some time09:38
Trevinhoclone, create a branch for pre, export patches, -> go to current -> export patches then compare the two branches09:38
Trevinhoshould be easier than reviewing patch of patches09:38
TrevinhoLaney: any other smarter idea for doing the same ^? Maybe gbp could have a diff mode for helping with this :)09:39
LaneyA gbp pq diff sounds like it might be nice09:43
Laneyfeel free to file it09:43
seb128popey, do you know if anyone has been looking in doing a snap for shotwell? sounds like it would be a good one. They are landing face detection support code upstream, I'm unsure that stack is going to be something we want to MIR or land in Ubuntu this cycle but it would be good if users could try it with a snap09:52
popeyseb128: i think someone may have tried in the past and not looked again. I agree it would be a good one to have.11:06
popeyAll the video editors are a bit gnarly to snap though11:06
popeysorry, mistook shotwell for shotcut :)11:07
popeyno, don't know that anyone has done shotwell11:07
seb128popey, is it likely that you/your team/community could be hinted to look at it? or is that not realistic and it would be better for us to have a look/help if we want it?11:08
popeytbh as it's a gnome app, I think ken would have more exprience11:08
popeyI'd love him to write up what he did to snap other gnome apps, because that knowledge needs sharing11:08
seb128k11:08
popeywould be useful for example to build elementary apps too11:08
seb128I think he's busy enough with core GNOME but I can talk to him (also he's in Montréal this week)11:09
popeylast time I spoke to ken about that was back in New York iirc11:09
seb128thx for the reply11:09
popeynp11:09
popeyI'm keen for us to have good docs for snapping gnome apps. but I have no idea what's been done to make that happen.11:09
seb128yeah, I'm also unsure how much things are still changing around there11:09
seb128with themes now and new snapcraft features letting us moving some of the work around between the helper and the build11:10
popeyya11:11
seb128popey, if we get the snapcraft.yaml can you help with "selling" to upstram on how they could build from their CI or other cool things they can have/do?11:11
popeytotes11:11
seb128great11:11
seb128thx11:11
popeynp :)11:11
andyrockseb128: Trevinho can I suggest that when we cherry-pick something from upstream or from a MP and we edit it applying ubuntu-specific bits, we should create two different quilt patches11:37
didrocksthis is what I call a PR: https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/pull/628 :)11:37
gitlab-botubuntu issue (Pull request) 628 in gtk-communitheme "Merge all repositories into a single one" (comments: 1) [Open]11:37
andyrockone with the original commit and one with the ubuntu specific bits11:38
andyrockin this way it's easier to review11:38
didrocks+202293 −39111:38
Laney🌞11:38
didrocksandyrock: +1, especially to know if we can match and revert it once the cherry-pick patch is in the next release11:39
seb128andyrock, that makes sense to me and common practice for most "packagers" I think11:39
didrocksLaney: you should have a funny gitg :p11:39
seb128easier to track the status of the different pieces and to update/rebease11:39
Laneydidrocks: did you do the unrelated history thing?11:39
Trevinhoandyrock: in that case there's not just upstream + ubuntu bits, but also some modifications because upstream is against 3-29, while that's on 3-26 and diff can't be 1:111:39
didrocksLaney: yep!11:39
Laneysweet11:39
seb128didrocks, I trust whoever is going to approve is it going to carefully read every single line of the diff right?11:39
Trevinhoandyrock: anyway I agree, in this case what was related to?11:40
didrocksseb128: ahah, I wrote mostly "please test it" on the hub: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/merging-repositories-into-a-single-one/6769/11 :)11:40
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, you could have upstream's version, tweak-to-work-on-Ubuntu-version patch over it11:40
Trevinhoyeah, fine11:40
didrocksat least, the snap is working fine11:40
didrocksbackward compatible with the older name11:41
andyrockTrevinho: the -eel_uri_is_desktop (uri))11:41
andyrockI know that it's a small change11:41
didrocksthe deb is ready, just need renaming once we announce the new name11:41
didrocks(but the debs need more testing)11:41
andyrockbut without this I could review it basically checking the sha11:41
andyrockor maybe not11:41
Trevinholet me see if I can get some more cherry-picks + an upstream relase too11:43
Trevinhoit would be easier11:43
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kenvandineandyrock, I backported your libgtop2 patch for filtering out the snap mounts to our gnome-3-26 backports PPA12:15
kenvandineand rebuilt the gnome-system-monitor snap with it12:15
kenvandinebut they are still showing up, and i've figured out why12:15
andyrockkenvandine: the old snaps will still show up12:15
kenvandinelooking at /proc/mounts on my system i see this:12:16
kenvandine /dev/loop30 /snap/spotify/13 squashfs ro,nodev,relatime 0 012:16
kenvandinehowever, from inside the snap /proc/mounts look different12:16
kenvandine /dev/loop30 /var/lib/snapd/hostfs/snap/spotify/13 squashfs ro,nodev,relatime 0 012:16
andyrockah12:16
kenvandineso the mount point is different12:16
* kenvandine has no idea why that is different from inside the snap12:16
kenvandinei also have others that show up inside the snap that are junk12:17
andyrockI don't know, but you could filter them using the '/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/snap'12:17
kenvandine /dev/loop55 /var/lib/urandom squashfs ro,nodev,relatime 0 012:17
kenvandineno, it's also files in /etc, etc12:17
andyrockmmm so that means that a major rework for libgtop is needed12:18
andyrockfirst we should understand why snap is doing that12:19
kenvandineyeah12:19
kenvandinehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rv7vy8zV7k/12:19
kenvandineandyrock, ^^12:19
andyrockkenvandine:  can you ask on #snappy ?12:20
kenvandinesure12:20
ricotzkenvandine, hi, could you update vala in gnome-3-26 backports PPA too?12:22
ricotzfor reference see https://launchpad.net/~vala-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages12:23
ricotzkenvandine, https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vala12:25
kenvandinericotz, i'll take a look12:25
kenvandineshould be no problem12:25
ricotzthanks, it is highly recommended12:26
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andyrockkenvandine:  how can I get your snap?12:52
andyrockotherwise can you check if /proc/filesystems is visible?12:53
andyrocklibgtop is using this to filter out fs12:53
kenvandineandyrock, it's in the store12:57
andyrockKk I'm taking coffee right now12:59
andyrockBrb12:59
kenvandineandyrock, thx!12:59
andyrockkenvandine: mmm all this fs are mounted as squashfs13:13
andyrockit's not going to be easy to filter them out13:13
kenvandineandyrock, yes...13:13
kenvandinepita... i know13:13
kenvandinebut what i was saying in the other channel, i don't know if displaying squashfs in gnome-system-monitor is even useful13:13
kenvandinethe point there is to see what your resources used are13:14
kenvandineso how much space you have left13:14
kenvandineetc13:14
kenvandinesquashfs isn't useful there13:14
andyrockmmm upstream disagrees with you13:15
andyrockI already had the same chat with them13:15
kenvandine:/13:15
andyrockone thing that we could do is to use the x-gdu.hide option13:15
andyrocklet me check if this feasible13:16
kenvandinecool13:16
andyrockkenvandine: mmm nope13:18
andyrockthe file /run/mount/utab is not visible inside the snap13:18
kenvandine:(13:25
kenvandinemaybe we can get that fixed :)13:25
kenvandineandyrock, ask in #snappy13:25
seb128k, it's meeting time13:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-07-1713:30
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oSoMoNo/13:30
seb128andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), heber, kenvandine (out), laney (out), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)13:30
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seb128k, let's get started, should be an efficient one with some people out13:32
seb128#topic andyrock13:32
seb128andyrock, hey13:32
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andyrockhey all13:32
andyrock- Updated fix for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/372 (merged upstream)13:32
andyrock- Proposed fix for LP: #1781996 (merged upstream)13:32
andyrock- Update fixes for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/373 (on review)13:32
andyrock- Working on g-s-d, mutter and gnome-shell to extend the above fix for g-s-d too (wip)13:32
andyrock- Proposed fix for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/109 (on review)13:32
andyrock- Update MR for using g-o-a in gnome-software (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/50)13:32
ubot5Launchpad bug 1781996 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:g_date_time_to_instant:g_date_time_to_unix:gs_plugin_refine_app:gs_plugin_loader_call_vfunc:gs_plugin_loader_run_refine_filter" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178199613:32
andyrock- Update MR to get ubuntu-sso provider in gnome-online-accounts (this is blocking the above MR)13:32
andyrock- Proposed a MR to backport fix for LP: #1764723 in Bionic13:32
andyrock- Proposed fix to remove deprecated functions call in gnome-software snap plugin13:32
andyrock- Helping ken_vandine with the gnome-system-monitor snap (hiding all the noise)13:32
gitlab-botGNOME issue 372 in gnome-shell "Keeping Alt+Space pressed shows the window menu and then minimizes the window" (comments: 4) [Closed]13:32
ubot5Launchpad bug 1764723 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "gnome-initial-setup says that Livepatch is "all set" even if enabling is still in progress." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176472313:32
andyrockReview:13:32
andyrock - https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/713:32
andyrock - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/349670 (WIP)13:32
gitlab-botGNOME issue 373 in gnome-shell "Some keybindings should discard auto-repeat events" (comments: 0) [Opened]13:32
andyrockEOW13:33
gitlab-botGNOME issue 109 in gnome-shell "Extended characters in OSK don't get entered" (comments: 16) [Opened]13:33
gitlab-botGNOME issue (Merge request) 50 in gnome-software "auth: Use gnome-online-accounts to handle the authentication" (comments: 10) [Opened]13:33
gitlab-botUbuntu issue (Merge request) 7 in gnome-initial-setup "Display the ubuntu welcome wizard in Unity" (comments: 2) [Merged]13:33
seb128thanks andyrock13:33
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seb128(topic was too long and cut it seems)13:33
seb128#topic dgadomski13:33
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dgadomskihey13:33
dgadomski* reported and working on small reproducer for bug #178215213:33
dgadomski* working on bug #172198813:33
ubot5bug 1782152 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM block SIGUSR1 used in PAM scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178215213:33
ubot5bug 1721988 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 full disk encryption + Nvidia drivers not booting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172198813:33
dgadomskieof13:33
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wmbtk7l3/13:34
seb128thanks dgadomski13:34
andyrockseb128: ^^^13:34
seb128andyrock, no, I meant the /topic is too long and truncated, so the "current topic" is wrong13:34
seb128the bot memorized the one from the meeting start though it seems and didn't let me fix it13:35
seb128oh well, summary with 2 lettres nicknames :p13:35
seb128#topic didrocks13:35
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seb128didrocks, hey13:35
didrocks* BOFs days (theme, icons, settings discussion) at GUADEC and travel back13:35
didrocks* Work on preparing communitheme renaming + move to debs: https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/pull/62813:35
gitlab-botubuntu issue (Pull request) 628 in gtk-communitheme "Merge all repositories into a single one" (comments: 6) [Open]13:35
didrocks  - merge all 5 repos: gtk, gnome-shell, icons, sounds and snap helpers into a single one, with subdirectories for each. Reorganize the whole repo13:35
didrocks  - work on the build system itself, to be parameterized to only the project name for each folder and settings set. Basically, renaming will be "change the project name" and be done!13:35
didrocks  - ensure the snap is backward compatible with the older name (sed to be back to "communitheme" + symlinks for Suru and other names)13:35
didrocks  - recheck licenses and organize them.13:35
didrocks  - ensure that there is an easy way for people doing ninja install (like communitheme members) to have a dedicated session for them. This won't be shipped in the debian packaging.13:35
didrocks  - other discussions over new names/theme icons and decisions about the ubuntu logo over the hub.13:35
didrocks* SRU apport (currently in unapproved) for Bionic with the new layout and functionality. Emailed translation team.13:35
didrocks.13:35
seb128thanks didrocks13:36
seb128did you get any feedback from the SRU team about why apport is not being reviewed?13:36
didrocksI got one this night13:36
didrocksit seems bdmurray found an issue in the "server only install"13:37
didrockswhich isn't the default13:37
didrocksand isn't a new issue13:37
didrocksI answered on this, bdmurray will give another look13:37
seb128k, let's discuss it out of the meeting if needed13:37
seb128thanks13:37
didrocksyw13:37
seb128#topic duflu13:37
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seb128* Video acceleration:13:37
seb128  - Intel asked if I had tried their latest driver. Turns out they were paying attention to the Ubuntu wiki and fixed the proprietary prerequisite problem (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo#Future_Approach_.232:_Media_SDK_.28.22MSDK.22.29). So we should eventually: https://launchpad.net/bugs/178131513:37
seb128* Gnome Shell:13:37
seb128  - Performance: Steady progress on a general timing fix to avoid dropped frames and double gnome-shell's frame rate for many people (https://gitlab.gnome.org/vanvugt/mutter/commits/super-smooth)13:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1781315 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Needs packaging: Intel media-driver" [Wishlist,New]13:37
seb128    . Although it really needs to be combined with https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/73 but that's going to take even longer to get approved.13:38
seb128  - Performance: Revised several times: More accurate & detailed CLUTTER_SHOW_FPS (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/154)13:38
seb128  - Added/fixed support for local non-root installations, now with multiple potential solutions (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/399)13:38
seb128* PulseAudio 12.0:13:38
gitlab-botGNOME issue (Merge request) 73 in mutter "WIP: renderer-native: CRTCs now hold front buffer refs. [performance]" (comments: 44) [Opened]13:38
seb128  - Released to cosmic! (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:12.0-1ubuntu1)13:38
seb128* BlueZ:13:38
seb128  - Released SRU for bionic! (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.48-0ubuntu3.1)13:38
seb128* Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.13:38
seb128  - A subtle but pleasing trend at the high end13:38
gitlab-botGNOME issue (Merge request) 154 in mutter "clutter: More accurate & detailed CLUTTER_SHOW_FPS [performance]" (comments: 8) [Opened]13:38
gitlab-botGNOME issue 399 in gnome-shell "`ninja install` fails as non-root trying to write to an incorrect directory" (comments: 6) [Opened]13:38
seb128  13:38
seb128#topic jamesh13:39
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seb128guadec:13:39
seb128* I attended GUADEC last week, flying back home on the Thursday and Friday13:39
seb128* While there, I put together a patch for GEdit to use the13:39
seb128GtkFileChooserNative API:13:39
seb128https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gedit/merge_requests/213:39
seb128* Ken rebuilt the GEdit snap and uploaded it to the beta channel,13:39
gitlab-botGNOME issue (Merge request) 2 in gedit "gedit: port GeditFileChooserDialogGtk to GtkFileChooserNative" (comments: 2) [Opened]13:39
seb128confirming that this let it open and save files via portals13:39
seb128* I also talked with the upstream xdg-desktop-portal developers about13:39
seb128improving snap support.  We agreed on a way forward, by implementing a13:39
seb128new "snap" sub-command to return information about a particular13:39
seb128running snap application and have xdg-desktop-portal call that.13:39
seb128snapd/pulseaudio:13:39
seb128* Jamie posted to the Snapcraft forums about microphone access via13:39
seb128Pulse Audio: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/pulseaudio-recording/636113:39
seb128* With upstream Pulse, there is no distinction between playback and recording.13:39
seb128* We had a patch to restrict recording on Ubuntu Phone, so I am13:39
seb128looking at porting it forward and having it check with snapd to see if13:39
seb128an app has plugged a new audio-record interface13:39
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seb128#topic heber13:40
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seb128hum, he's not there13:40
seb128#topic kenvandine13:40
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seb128kenvandine, hey, there or out?13:40
seb128I know you are travelling but you were active and didn't send your summary :p13:40
seb128(though it's probably around the lines of "GUADEC & Montreal")13:41
seb128I guess he's not13:42
seb128#topic laney13:42
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seb128• was at GUADEC some more, worked on the (internal) trip report for that, public one is going to be posted by w_illcooke soon13:42
seb128• fixed a couple of glib bugs and reviewed some easy MRs, proposed one of our distro patches as MR (was a patch on bugzilla that got ignored)13:42
seb128• got some reviews on systemd things, addressed the comments raised there13:42
seb128• uploaded a partial revert of vte2.91 to bionic, it caused an API change and b_dmurray complained about that (this change remains in cosmic)13:42
seb128• getting ready to finally push T_revinho's git commits, just testing the source packages build ...13:42
seb12813:42
seb128#topic oSoMoN13:42
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seb128oSoMoN, hey13:42
oSoMoNhey13:42
oSoMoN• chromium13:42
oSoMoN  ∘ updated license in the snap store and filed bug #1781013 and bug #1781014 against lp:snapstore13:42
ubot5bug 1781013 in Snap Store "Support new SPDX licenses" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178101313:42
ubot5bug 1781014 in Snap Store "Unhelpful "Error: Invalid syntax" message for custom SPDX expression" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178101413:42
oSoMoN  ∘ reported to Robert that custom SPDX expressions are displayed in gnome-software as a flattened list, which doesn't really convey the meaning of the expression if it's anything else than a list of AND, this is an upstream issue, filed https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/42113:42
gitlab-botGNOME issue 421 in gnome-software "Custom SPDX expression represented as a flattened list of licenses" (comments: 0) [Opened]13:42
oSoMoN  ∘ conversations with Robin (web team) and mpt to identify a reliable way for snapcraft.io to determine whether the user's machine can handle the snap:// protocol13:43
oSoMoN  ∘ tested stable update (67.0.3396.99) and handed over to Chris for publication to {bionic,artful,xenial}-security13:43
oSoMoN  ∘ updated beta to 68.0.3440.5913:43
oSoMoN  ∘ updated dev to 69.0.3486.013:43
oSoMoN  ∘ OSK: looked into a couple of issues on the gnome-shell side: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/135 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/40913:43
gitlab-botGNOME issue 135 in gnome-shell "OSK: [Xorg] Unable to type capital letters" (comments: 9) [Opened]13:43
gitlab-botGNOME issue 409 in gnome-shell "OSK lacks a Tab key" (comments: 3) [2. Needs Design, Opened]13:43
oSoMoN• libreoffice13:43
oSoMoN  ∘ experimented with an updated patch for bug #1766192, and requested comments on libreoffice mailing list, got good feedback and a better approach, so I removed the patch from the snap for now13:43
ubot5bug 1766192 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] cannot save file under $HOME" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176619213:43
oSoMoN  ∘ filed and fixed bug #178199513:43
ubot5bug 1781995 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] screen inhibiting doesn't work when watching fullscreen presentation" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178199513:43
oSoMoN  ∘ looked into https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/350 and pushed a tentative fix13:43
gitlab-botubuntu issue 350 in gtk-communitheme "libreoffice not opening properly on communitheme.snap" (comments: 12) [Snap, Open]13:43
oSoMoN• snaps13:43
oSoMoN  ∘ updated play0ad snap to run only a zenity dialog suggesting to uninstall and install 0ad instead, and documented the process at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/zenity-dialogs-in-a-snap/635913:43
oSoMoN🍉13:43
seb128thanks oSoMoN13:44
seb128#topic seb12813:44
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seb128• one swap day after GUADEC13:44
seb128• some HR related work following the reviews cycle13:44
seb128• updated the apport translation template in bionic in preparation for new strings to be added in a SRU13:44
seb128• helped unblocking the pulseaudio/cosmic migration13:44
seb128• verified the french langpacks SRU candidate for xenial13:44
seb128• backported/SRUed an udisks fix for iso mounting - https://launchpad.net/bugs/177923813:44
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1779238 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "Mouting a disk or iso image asks for sudo password" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:44
seb128• sponsored a SRU fix from andyroc_k https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/software-properties/fix-1768797/+merge/348460?13:44
seb128• uploaded first login wizard enabling for Unity13:44
seb128• some bionic SRUs verifications13:44
seb128#topic tkamppeter13:44
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seb128tkamppeter, hey13:44
tkamppeterhi13:46
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Released version 1.20.4.Got packaged for Debian, so it should have synced into Cosmic.13:46
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Tests for investigating printing behavior on auto-discovered driverless printers, especially what happens with a remote CUPS queue, when pdftopdf is running both on the client and on the server and options could get executed twice. Posted on CUPS developer mailing list about this.13:46
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job.13:46
tkamppeter- Bugs.13:46
seb128thanks tkamppeter13:47
seb128#topic trevinho13:47
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seb128👯 GUADEC: continued discussions, BoFs:13:47
seb128  🏹 Started hacking on supporting multi-screen (for multi-DPI on X11)13:47
seb128on mutter13:47
seb128  🏹 Proposed various suggestions for multi-monitor and multi-workspace13:47
seb128in g-s13:47
seb128  🏹 Discussed on tech bits for X11 fractional scaling13:47
seb128  🏹 Discussed with gnome-shell designers for various shell things including13:48
seb128    windows filtering and better keyboard usage, started the13:48
seb128implementation for13:48
seb128    blurring the desktop (will be used by both activities and lockscreen)13:48
seb128    🔗 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/28813:48
seb128    🔗 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/40813:48
seb128📂 Nautilus:13:48
gitlab-botGNOME issue 288 in gnome-shell "Readability of the search results depends on the wallpaper" (comments: 9) [1. Bug, 2. Needs Design, 8. Accessibility, To Do, Closed]13:48
seb128  🏹 Debugging for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/52213:48
seb128  🏹 Rebased, and added other shell-search fixes to recursive-query-flags PR13:48
seb128    🔗 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/24913:48
seb128  🏹 Prepared ubuntu branch with updated patches, crash fix and13:48
gitlab-botGNOME issue 408 in gnome-shell "Address legibility issues with Top Bar transparency" (comments: 3) [Opened]13:48
seb128backports of the13:48
seb128    patches upstreamed.13:48
seb128    🔗13:48
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/34967013:48
seb128🐚 Shell world13:48
seb128  🏹 Updated JS warning fix MP, as per Florian reviews (had some IRL too)13:48
gitlab-botGNOME issue 522 in nautilus "Filesystem info is earlier than we get actually know the information" (comments: 0) [Opened]13:48
seb128  🏹 Updated workspace fixes MPR13:48
gitlab-botGNOME issue (Merge request) 249 in nautilus "Recursive query flags" (comments: 26) [3. Review Ready, Opened]13:48
seb128#topic rlsbugs13:49
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html has no desktop entry13:49
seb128neither has http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:49
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html the unassigned ones seem to be handler/just need launchpad triaging, I'm going to do that13:50
seb128and http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html is on shape13:50
seb128good work team :)13:50
seb128#topic aob13:50
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seb128any other topic?13:50
didrocksnothing from me13:51
seb128k, seems not, let's wrap then13:52
seb128#endmeeting13:52
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jul 17 13:52:21 2018 UTC.13:52
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-07-17-13.30.moin.txt13:52
seb128thanks everyone13:52
didrocksthx!13:53
oSoMoNthanks!13:53
WimpressoSoMoN: Have you started working on making the chromium-ffmpeg-codoces snap?14:15
willcookeTrevinho, can you point me at the source for your ircbot?14:27
Trevinhowillcooke: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-bots/gitlab-support14:32
Trevinhoshould be updated to be fair..as other changes are only local and I didn't push them14:33
Trevinhoand for github https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-bots/github-support14:33
willcookethanks Trevinho14:46
oSoMoNWimpress, not yet, on my to-do list14:48
Laneydidrocks: this followTags thing means all the upstream tags end up getting pushed since they're reachable, is that OK to you?15:35
didrocksLaney: I think it is, I've done it on purpose so that we can still grab the upstream tags from the upstream/latest branch for instance15:37
didrocks(which could be an interesting info IMHO, wdyt?)15:37
Laneyit's a lot of stuff15:38
Laneynot sure if it matters, maybe not15:38
TrevinhoLaney: my magic command does what we need otherwise15:40
Laneyno it ends up pushing all the tags if you have followtags on15:40
Laneyeven if not the next person would do them all anyway15:40
Trevinho `git tag | grep -E '^ubuntu/|^debian/|^upstream/' | xargs --no-run-if-empty  git push origin`15:41
Laneyyes15:41
TrevinhoAh that yes... On push though15:41
Trevinhonot on push tags15:41
Laneyah well15:42
Laneytags away15:42
tsimonq2oSoMoN: Heya! Did you get a chance to look at LibreOffice yet? :)16:01
oSoMoNtsimonq2, nope, not yet16:01
tsimonq2oSoMoN: OK, no problem :)16:02
tsimonq2Thanks.16:03
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