[01:22] <guiverc> :) @ leftyfb (#ubuntu)
[01:22] <blackflow> lol trolling is offtopic! ;)
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:34] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:23] <ducasse> good morning!
[06:28] <lordievader> Morning ducasse
[06:29] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well today?
[06:29] <lordievader> Yes, doing alright here. How are you?
[06:29] <ducasse> all good, hoping it will rain today as forecast promised
[06:30] <lordievader> Here it is just going to be warm -.-
[06:33] <ducasse> probably here as well, like every other time they've promised rain this summer
[06:37] <lordievader> It would be nice for a change
[06:38] <ducasse> everything is scorched here, huge risk of forest fires
[06:40] <lordievader> Same here. Perhaps to a lesser extend, but the risk of forest fires is a lot higher than normal.
[06:41] <ducasse> there's already been a bunch of them this summer
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma good day sir
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> supprt is slowly going up
[12:19] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje, yes, fine here, and you?
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> all great here tnx
[12:34] <leftyfb> fdgfdg: I thought you were going back to Windows
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | EriC^^
[12:36] <fdgfdg> dont give a damn wat u think
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: please mind your language in the ubuntu channels
[12:36] <fdgfdg> since i hav elinux in my drive, i can use it if i cna get a few things ironed out
[12:36] <fdgfdg> but dont expect help from you, dont worry
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: talk professional here
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: you try to give advice to users, you should know better talking polite
[12:38] <fdgfdg> im not going thru it all again. i have my reasons for being frustrated and ive stated them already. justified in my opnion
[12:38] <fdgfdg> some people in here are snobby fanboys and i dont like it
[12:39] <leftyfb> fdgfdg: enough with the namecalling. Last warning
[12:39] <fdgfdg> oh go and eat shit.. your mothers
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> fdgfdg: its your life, you can be frustrated if you want..but dont mirror this to irc channel
[12:39] <fdgfdg> like i care about your warnings
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx leftyfb
[12:40] <leftyfb> wish I could do it in the other chan
[12:40] <leftyfb> He'll find his own way though
[12:41] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: thx for the cookie :P
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> great work on dzip
[12:42] <EriC^^> thanks
[12:52] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb 's other name is obi-wan
[12:59] <lordievader> A real jedi among us, cool :D
[13:03] <lordievader> That fdgfdg guy is quite bitter, ain't he.
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> he was trying to warn users in main
 make sure u understand linux demanding terminal stuff befur eu jump completel
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> my terminal is also very demanding, i argue alot with him
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> It's unfortunate to see someone bitter'd by their experience. I've been working with Gnu/Linux off and on since 1999. I didn't make it a full time decision until 2009/10 ish. I think some are delusional that they can install it and it will "just work" like windows does
[14:03] <lordievader>  > my terminal is also very demanding, i argue alot with him
[14:03] <lordievader> My terminal is very submissive.
[14:04] <lordievader> `sudo` isn't. It insults me 😋
[14:05] <lordievader>  > It's unfortunate to see someone bitter'd by their experience. I've been working with Gnu/Linux off and on since 1999. I didn't make it a full time decision until 2009/10 ish. I think some are delusional that they can install it and it will "just work" like windows does
[14:05] <lordievader> It is getting better. Still not quite there but lots of stuff does work out of the box.
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> lordievader: I've had no issues since I switched to running full time. Though I'm comfortable around computer more than most people. I know that if I break it, I can usually fix it. Most of my breaks are bad configurations which are often resovled by deleting the config file and letting the application recreate it
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> One of the many things I've enjoyed about the linux ecosystem. That configurations are not buried deep inside some goofy registry database hive, but are simple files that can be moved/swapped out easily
[14:09] <lordievader> That is true for most programs. But sometimes things are scattered all over the place. "Does the config in cwd, your homedir, /etc or /usr/<something> break everything" 😋
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> lordievader: I guess that's where my knowledge on the setup helps. Most applications look first in their install directory, then in the system path, then in /etc, then in /home/user
[14:12] <lordievader> I know. I'm just saying that it is sometimes annoying to find where something is configured.
[14:13] <lordievader> Don't get me wrong, it is alot easier to find the location than on Windows, but still.
[14:19] <blockflaw> lordievader: oh you rebuilt sudo for insults? ;)
[14:19] <hggdh> the thing here is that -- used as they usually are with smart phones -- people expect any OS to be like a phone.
[14:20] <lordievader> No, I enabled the use-flag 😉
[14:20] <blockflaw> lordievader: that's what I meant ;)  (I have that too on gentoo systems)
[14:20] <lordievader> Yeah, my Ubuntu/Debian systems don't insult me.
[14:20] <hggdh> also, on Windows, most of the times the file extension is linked to a program. Had this happened with the inform files, Mystic would have had no issues
[14:21] <hggdh> so, there is probably a bug lurking there, for UX. But... they refused to go that way
[14:21] <oerheks> ugh that name, he got kicked out of ##linux yesterday
[14:21] <leftyfb> hggdh: no issues with opening a game with inform ... I guarantee you he had others queued up ready for the arguing
[14:22] <hggdh> this is the same sdgfdg above, as far as I can see
[14:22] <blockflaw> lordievader: the insults are in the sudoers.so though, even on deb/ubu. it's just missing that --configure thingy
[14:23] <lordievader> Hmm, I see. Never really looked into it.
[14:23] <hggdh> leftyfb: I do not doubt, he has approached moving to a new OS with unreasonable expectations
[14:23] <blockflaw> lordievader: otoh one I remember:    strings /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so | grep -i honk
[14:23] <blockflaw> it's a racial slur btw, so be warned.
[14:27] <blockflaw> I wonder if the mere presence of these violate some Ubuntu/Canonical policy. Recently, FreeBSD saw some serious drama with a sjw attack on "hitler quotes" in "fortune" cookies.
[14:28] <blockflaw> (I call it a "sjw attack" derogatively, because they attacked only the hitler quotes, leaving Stalin ones. Stalin killed millions too, so....)
[14:29] <leftyfb> oerheks: I don't see anything about Mystic being kicked or even saying anything in ##linux for this whole month
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> blockflaw: Canoncial removed the contentious fortune db entries awhile back. you can still get them though, I think you have to enable the universe package repo.
[14:31] <blockflaw> pragmaticenigma: well they're in my regular Bionic  sudoers.so
[14:31] <blockflaw> another one:   strings /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so | grep -i burrito
[14:32] <blockflaw> maybe sudo is compiled not to utilize them, but they're present nonetheless.
[14:32] <oerheks> err, he was taken voice .. anyway
[14:32] <blockflaw> btw, he got kciked out of #debian earlier today for the same reason.
[14:33] <blockflaw> came in there and started the whole innocent help request going on, culminating with same crap.
[14:33] <oerheks> oh, i thought it was linux
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> pretty sure they were around yesterday too
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> !azure
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> *NOT FOUND*
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> google hits the MS azure site
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> no ubuntu wiki
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> I thought the Azure install image was managed by Microsoft
[15:51] <oerheks> yay .. https://news.softpedia.com/news/lubuntu-18-10-may-support-32-bit-pcs-if-there-s-demand-here-s-how-you-can-help-521998.shtml
[15:51] <oerheks> finally the chromium team got some air
[15:51] <oerheks> and firefox team
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> I should spin up my Celeron 2GHz and install the image... start testing
[15:57] <oerheks> ohhh i have such machine too, my 1st newly build pc
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> ohh! I should do that too! I have an old Athlon 1Ghz
[15:58] <oerheks> wow, with AGPx4 ?
[15:58] <oerheks> ide hdd
[15:58] <oerheks> floppy ?
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> I don't remember what the spec was on the AGP slot... but yeah.. floppy, 2 ATA100 and 2 ATA66 PATA ports, 2 12 pin serial
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> If only I had a picture
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> it was the first PC i built, it was also the first PC that i had requiring the use of a heat sink on the chipset
[16:06] <oerheks> those machines i leave on the street, i don't even try to open them any more
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> I've mostly kept it around for nostalgia
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> It fell out of favor when Fedora wouldn't play nice with it
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> Who is this Werterd person??
[16:41]  * blackflow puts $5 on a "petro" sockpuppet
[16:48] <blackflow> oerheks: I say we let it die. there's plenty of software, distros and installations, still supporting 32-bits for _years_ to come. the "Mah Athlon!" crowd can keep on installing 16.04 and methinks 18.04 still does 32 bits?
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: 32bit spins were dropped with 18.04 with the exception of Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: Or rather 32 bit was only provided with Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[16:57] <pragmatic_enigma> You can continue to install 32 bit via the mini.iso version as well. As that does not require special compiling to run, it
[16:57] <blackflow> pragmatic_enigma: ah good start, then. now, Steam, would you kindly step into the 21st century and bump to 64 bits....
[16:58] <_pragmatic_enigm> free node and hex chat are being a pain :-(
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> there ... all better
[18:48] <oerheks> :-)
[18:49] <ducasse> :O
[19:32] <hggdh> oerheks: xenial is ending?
[19:32] <hggdh> :-) answered
[19:35] <oerheks> yeah, trusty, who is using that for serious work..
[19:36] <blackflow> a whole bunch of peeps
[19:37] <hggdh> in general, sysadmins are *very* conservative
[19:38] <blackflow> something something if it ain't broken don't fix it :)
[19:41] <JimBuntu> oerheks, I still use trusty for some serious work, but keep it behind firewall appliances and UFW
[19:41] <oerheks> meh.. if they say cinnamon, i find it hard to believe they run ubuntu, i think mint or the other one
[19:42] <oerheks> i am not sure trusty gets all the patches for meltdown, spectre 1/1.1/1.2 ...
[19:43] <blackflow> it certainly won't be helped by upstream. the upstream would love everyone to run the latest kernel only.
[19:43] <hggdh> well, you do have the hardware enablement kernels for LTS
[19:44] <blackflow> that's a lifesaver. I'm personally irked that Bionic is on 4.15. it was EOL before Bionic was released even. feh!
[19:46] <oerheks> i am still on 17.10 ..
[19:47] <oerheks> but my lappy is up2date :-D
[19:47] <blackflow> oerheks: btw, two more days, if you haven't found out already (your previous q about artful EOL date)
[19:48] <oerheks> ah oke, thank you
[19:48] <oerheks> yes, i couldn't find that exact date, i thought somewhere 26/27
[19:49] <JimBuntu> !release
[19:49] <JimBuntu> meh - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[20:06] <hggdh> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-July/000232.html
[21:18] <leftyfb> nacc:
 nacc, i965-va-driver exists, but that supports 965 and up - i need 945 support which exists in the i915-va-driver package.
[21:18] <leftyfb> * XThomas has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 psyk: again, there is *no* such package in ubuntu, even in 12.04
[21:19] <leftyfb> That's why I told you
[21:19] <nacc> leftyfb: read what package they are asking about again
[21:19] <nacc> they want i915-va-driver
[21:19] <leftyfb> ah, right
[21:19] <leftyfb> sorry :)
[21:19] <leftyfb> I'll shutup now
[21:19] <nacc> yeah :)
[21:20] <nacc> it's np, they are being obstinate and a bit rude
[22:42] <nacc> Bashing-om: not worth getting involved
[22:44] <Bashing-om> nacc: :)) - Have not kept up on flash .. seems I am way out of date .
[22:46] <hggdh> out of curiosity -- does Chromium (or Chrome) still support flash? I dimly remember it not being supported anymore. But I am probably confusing it
[22:52] <daftykins> pretty sure i made use of pepperflash on Windows for MLB.com last season, but they finally made their player HTML5 this year
[22:52] <daftykins> i'm not even sure if Firefox on Windows can still use flash since i refuse to install it
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Our bot is not telling the truth : sysop@x1810:~$ apt list adobe-flashplugin >> adobe-flashplugin/cosmic 1:20180410.1-0ubuntu1 amd64 .
[22:57] <daftykins> flashplugin-installer seems to be the one
[23:10] <nacc> !info adobe-flashplugin
[23:10] <nacc> !info adobe-flashplugin cosmic
[23:11] <nacc> Bashing-om: apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin?
[23:14] <Bashing-om> nacc: Installed: (none) ;  Candidate: 1:20180410.1-0ubuntu1 ; 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu cosmic/partner amd64 Packages  .
[23:15] <nacc> Bashing-om: weird, rmadison doesn't see it
[23:15] <daftykins> does the above installer package grab a deb and install that name or something?
[23:15] <nacc> launchpad says it's there
[23:16] <nacc> i was pretty sure rmadison and the bot looked in partner
[23:17] <Bashing-om> nacc: restricted to AMD only ?
[23:17] <nacc> !info skype
[23:18] <nacc> Bashing-om: not sure, honestly
[23:18] <nacc> doing some other stuff, so don't have time to look into it right now :)
[23:18] <nacc> partner is weird anyways
[23:19] <Bashing-om> nacc: Old skype will be dropped by MS next month: https://arstechnica.com/?p=1343771 .
[23:20] <nacc> yeah
[23:20] <nacc> and it's a snap now
[23:20] <nacc> i was just tryuing to find another partner deb
[23:21] <daftykins> i recently hit update and got the new v8 here on Windows, huge regret
[23:21] <daftykins> i'm forced to see silly emoticons now :(