[06:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader ducasse
[06:16] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje ducasse
[06:16] <lordievader> How are you guys?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> all good here lordievader
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> hows your side lordievader
[06:16] <lordievader> Pretty good
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sun shines, holiday..what we need more :p
[06:18] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[06:40] <EriC^> what's this circus act going on in #u ?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> a lot a nuts these days
[08:35] <oerheks> :-)
[09:47] <tomreyn> EriC^^: if you just scroll up in #ubuntu
[09:50] <EriC^^> ?
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> where are they keep comming from..dont they have a life
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: tomreyn already called the ops, hence why
[09:51] <EriC^^> oh
[09:51] <EriC^^> yeah i saw that, i just wanted their attention more, also gave them a msg in #u-ops
[09:52] <EriC^^> somebody could easily be curious and try that command to see what it does
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> bad commands are a danger indeed
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> !danger
[09:52] <EriC^^> ah nice
[09:52] <EriC^^> will robinson, what is that out of?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure
[09:53] <EriC^^> (potential movie i can see :D )
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> he's klined
[09:57] <blackflow> trolls so early in teh morning, wth
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> hehe morning blackflow
[09:57] <blackflow> EriC^^: Lost in Space
[09:57] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: morning, morning :)
[09:58] <EriC^^> thanks blackflow
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys, salade nicoise a la lotus
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:06] <tomreyn> hi
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> !torrent
[11:27] <oerheks> yes lotuspsychje, it is happy hour
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:27] <oerheks> making up problems
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> we need more trolls
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> there you have another one oerheks thomas
[11:34] <blackflow> two trolls at once! wth is today, not even friday.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> probable a split personality
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> 2 clients from same machine lol
[11:50] <oerheks> but he is running kali .. silly thomas
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> can you ban users in #ubuntu leftyfb
[11:51] <leftyfb> wish I could
[11:51] <leftyfb> oerheks: we know, but he won't admit it
[11:51] <BluesKaj> thought it was lubuntu
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> that wtf guy is busy from this morning
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> and thomas mysteriously joined every same time with him
[11:53] <oerheks> next will be our hans__ ..
[11:54] <oerheks> :-D
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:54] <BluesKaj> noticed hans was around yesterday ..was he still trolling?
[11:56] <oerheks> running debian on his vps, or lying in debian too
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> even if one is lonely..i dont get why inventing up a fake story is fun?
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> what gain does this have lol
[11:58] <oerheks> Hi, i am lisa, 81, curly hair, and freggles
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:01] <BluesKaj> some use vpn or vps to change their banned IPs
[12:22] <leftyfb> I like the whole squatting nicks excuse
[12:23] <leftyfb> especially on freenode with nickserv
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, that squatting nick thing is new to me
[12:39] <BluesKaj> altho I did have my registered nick stolen here on freenode for 2hrs, \about 5yrs ago
[12:40] <blackflow> "rm -rf --no-preserve..... "     oh, sorry, my cat leaned on the keyboard and pffft! what do you know! against those exact keys in that exact order. some cat!
[12:41] <blackflow> nickserv can require you to authenticate within X secodns or you're automatically renamed. with some proper sasl auth set up, it can be defined for low timeouts so they can't own your nick for more than a few seconds
[12:43] <blackflow> hmmm.... I must've remembered it wrong, there doesn't seem to be a way to alter the number of seconds. it's preset to 30 it seems.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> blackflow, I had been logged into freenode for more than 3 hrs when this happened
[12:48] <blackflow> BluesKaj: so, they knew the password?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> he was able to send a DOS attack to my IP after the ops banned him ..we had no internet access for 20 mins until i called my ISP and they walked me thru some changes, especially in wife's windows fw
[12:49] <blackflow> BluesKaj: but what I mean is, if you logoff and I use /nick BluesKaj  , if you have auth enforcement on, I have to auth within 30 seconds or nickserv will rename me
[12:49] <BluesKaj> blackflow, yeah , he must have targeted me from a previous freenode session and waited til Ilogged in ...wasn't using sasl at the time
[12:51] <BluesKaj> my ISP tech said his IP was in russia somewhere
[12:51] <BluesKaj> who knows where he really was
[12:54] <blackflow> it's clearly russians. Just ask the FBI :)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> to this day I still don't know why , i don't recall having any disagreements with anyone on freenode the previous day or even a week proor to the event
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hehe, it's all russia's fault
[12:55] <blackflow> (FBI, Hitlery, and the whole "Russian Meddling" posse)
[12:56] <blackflow> all jokes aside, doesn't mean it was targeted against you specifically. taking over accounts has fun and profit in it.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> I'm staying away from CNN for a while ...I'm tired of the whole Trump thing and his obvious grab at becoming a benign dictator
[12:57] <blackflow> BluesKaj: the part I love to mock is that they're so sure based on no forensic evidence, it's hilarious. IP addresses from russia so CLEARLY it's them ruskies!
[12:58] <blackflow> somoene CLEARLY wants to stir up some serious intl sht going on..... but.... offtopic. bah politics.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> blackflow, deny deny deny and perhaps the people will follow that old Nazi propaganda device.," tell a lie long enough and often enough and the people begin to believe it"
[13:03] <BluesKaj> I see we have someone asking a racist question
[13:08] <JimBuntu> Yeah, but they are using NFOrce Entertainment... a cloud hosting service, no doubt VPN or such
[13:11] <JimBuntu> Well, that was fast
[13:11] <blackflow> BluesKaj: I agree. The bigger the lie, easier to believe.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, yup, ip tracker  url shows the same info
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> !info x11-dev
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: think he trying a theme or so?
[13:38] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: maybe that, or inventing cold fusion, hard to tell.
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> weirdos today lol
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> writing a full sentence...so hard
[13:43] <tomreyn> i think there's a language barrier involved. but still, machine translation would work better with full sentences.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> help? gtk?someone :p
[13:45] <tomreyn> m2_teknix is not doing a lot better.
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:47] <blackflow> well, when you design a system idiots can use.... idiots will use it :)
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> artful goes eol today
[13:48] <tomreyn> oh, thanks for the heads up.
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/07/ubuntu-17-10-end-of-life
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> just out of the press :p
[13:50] <blackflow> the ubuntu-announce and some other mailing lists are worth being subscribed to ;)
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> or not use non-lts :p
[14:04] <tomreyn> too much email ;)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> so now artful users suppose to come, and in one week the xenial users
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: did you mess with user agents or so?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> im talking in ##networking
[15:28] <oerheks> no, nothing fancy
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:34] <TJ-> oerheks: can you save the page source so we can see what it is, or use the developer tools to inspect it?
[15:34] <oerheks> i will, lets see hoto do that
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: fixxed jack yet?
[15:36] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe2cprbvh3nyfps/google-bad?dl=0
[15:37] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: yeah, got home earlier to find a completed build, and just finished a test install on the device
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:40] <TJ-> apparently dropbox fails because it requires scripts from google
[15:40] <TJ-> useless design!
[15:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: now i'm trying to figure out how/why Google Play got installed (this is LineageOS) when I didn't add Gapps!
[15:41] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VMryHR7fmb/
[15:41] <TJ-> oerheks: can you just pastebin the source ? apparently dropbox requires google captcha
[15:41] <TJ-> yay :P
[15:42] <oerheks> i read ya
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: perhaps they added play store as default in the build?
[15:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, it's proprietary. Somehow it's icon at least has slipped in with the google account setup I think... maybe it's only the icon. I best check which packages are in the image that might clue me in. I'm assuming the entire play store app is behind it
[15:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: weird but the solution to the failing build was, add a swap file!
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: does lineage use another software centre?
[15:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it doesn't have one, that's the point. The user can install what they like. Many use OpenGapps, but there's also FDroid and Yalp (anonymous access to play store)
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> ah
[15:48] <TJ-> oerheks: I don't see anything but then again there's loads of Javascript there. I'd suggest using the dev tools inspector and point to that element and see what source code seems to be associated with it
[15:49] <TJ-> oerheks: could that 'slider' be a progress bar related to the microphone input?
[15:50] <oerheks> TJ-, tried that, but that switch is not catchable, so i guess it *is* malware
[15:50] <TJ-> oerheks: also, it looks like it's been cropped and is slightly off the screen's left edge, is that correct?
[15:50] <oerheks> there is no logical explain to this
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> tough one
[15:50] <TJ-> oerheks: did you try creating a new chrome user profile?
[15:50] <oerheks> let me tell you something...
[15:50] <TJ-> oerheks: disable all extensions?
[15:51] <oerheks> it just disappeared
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> how?
[15:51] <TJ-> oerheks: :D
[15:51] <oerheks> i have the pics and code to proove it..
[15:51] <TJ-> oerheks: it must have seen me coming with the sledgehammer
[15:51] <oerheks> dang.. who is after me?
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:51] <TJ-> oerheks: well at least it was switched off, whatever it was :p
[15:52] <oerheks> time to do a fresh 18.04 install, i needed to upgrade anyway
[15:52] <TJ-> it could have been an Ubuntu GUI element I suppose
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> why would anything malicious create a GUI object lol
[15:52] <oerheks> so unlogical, not extentions, not cache, not account
[15:52] <TJ-> did it only occur on the chrome search/default home page?
[15:52] <oerheks> on their homepage only, yes
[15:53] <oerheks> and.. it is back
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:53] <oerheks> :-(
[15:53] <TJ-> oerheks: that screenshot looks like the browser's built-in 'home' page rather than actually visiting the Google site, is that correct?
[15:53] <oerheks> TJ-, yes
[15:54] <oerheks> google.nl gives a blanc screen, normal
[15:54] <TJ-> oerheks: right, so not possibly not loaded from a remote location. I was going to suggest using the Dev Tools to monitor the network connection requests to try to identify an unusual request URL
[15:54] <oerheks> downloading a fresh iso on laptop now
[15:54] <TJ-> oerheks: does it happen in a new ubuntu user account ?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[15:56] <oerheks> TJ-, yes
[15:57] <oerheks> this is so unreal.. not sure if scanning for strange urls works on this vulnerable machine
[15:59] <TJ-> oerheks: are you able to slide the slider? does any Alt text pop up if the pointer hovers over it?
[15:59] <oerheks> no, i cannot even grab the item, make it blue
[15:59] <oerheks> no popup/hoover info
[16:00] <TJ-> oerheks: which Ubuntu variant (GUI) are you using? it looks like a GTK slider to me, rather than a browser one
[16:00] <oerheks> normal gnome, 17.10, no special themes
[16:02] <TJ-> have you enabled any accessibility features?
[16:03] <oerheks> no, but the access. menu switch is enabled on top panel
[16:04] <oerheks> and it was gone, for a minute or so...
[16:04] <oerheks> :-(
[16:04] <TJ-> I have a vague recollection of seeing something like that  happen a long time ago in some application. Does this still happen if the user logs off? if the PC is restarted?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: chromium settings has also lookalike settings buttons like that
[16:05] <oerheks> i rebooted too, yes
[16:05] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: does it? I wonder if that's because it uses the native GUI toolkit
[16:05] <oerheks> cleaned cache, so i get the welcome screen 'do you want to send stuff to google, and default browser'
[16:06] <TJ-> oerheks: any extensions installed?
[16:06] <oerheks> yes, ghostery and ublock, both removed, and cleaned again, no difference
[16:07] <oerheks> cleaned by manually removing folders*
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/AG6aDJ1
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> looks bit like it no?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> left disabled, right enabled
[16:09] <TJ-> yes
[16:10] <oerheks> oke, i be back in an hour or so..
[16:16] <TJ-> I think I have an idea about it, shame he's gone. I wonder if Google are testing some option for abiding by the EU commission findings of abusing their monopoly, to give people the option to switch browsers or whatever, and it is accidentally or deliberately leaking - oerheks is in Belgium isn't he?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> netherlands TJ-
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[16:19] <TJ-> ahhh
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[16:20] <daftykins> \o
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> perplexing question of the day... why would Ubuntu be seeking a domain with my local domain name appended to the end?
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> so example.com becomes example.com.localdomain.loc
[16:22] <daftykins> pretty normal for consumer routers to have a local FQDN type format and for the automagic rubbish networking components in Loonixes to make use of it for self references and the like
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> This appears to be the computer doing the appending... not the router... dns is managed through pi-hole on a separate device, looking through it's logs is how I noticed
[16:23] <TJ-> if the domain search is set then it'll add that suffix if DNS resolution of the raw name fails
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> I thought maybe it was some sort of attempt to identify proxy and/or typosquating servers
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> That's the strange part, I see both requests in DNS logs
[16:23] <daftykins> right, both sides can show it up / make use
[16:23] <daftykins> heard of others using pihole but it sounds a bit too much like a tinfoil hat user type move to me
[16:23] <TJ-> e.g. you do http://myotherpc/somefile it'll try myotherpc and myotherpc.local.domain.search.name
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> I've never seen it do this before... that's why I curious
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> hey kostkon
[16:25] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: try this: "nmcli | grep -A 5 'DNS configuration' "
[16:25] <kostkon> hey lotus :)
[16:25]  * daftykins never liked hostnames at home so stuck with IPs
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> It's showing the expected dns server ipaddress and my localdomain.loc
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> I wonder if OpenDNS failed overnight... which is what Pi-Hole forwards to
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> I use friendly names since it makes setting up my LibreElec easier to switch backend Database providers
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> If I pull down my main machine, I can change DNS in once place instead of running around to several devices and reconfiguring them
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> beware of the trolls, we had many today :p
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> personally daftykins ... I'd rather have the devices all DHCP, and the DNS server automatically update the IP when the device connects to the network, isntead of everything statically set ip on the router
[16:33] <daftykins> i don't set statically on the router at all, static leases suck
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: so set static on the device when needed?
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose comcast could have had an outage in the middle of the night too... much more plausible
[16:37] <daftykins> seems to me you leapt into the topic part way through :) what's not being normal?
[16:37] <daftykins> i'm meant to be packing for a trip though right now so i can't really chat too much
[16:37] <nacc> lol
[16:37] <nacc> get away from your computer, daftykins !
[16:38] <daftykins> D:
[16:38]  * daftykins is zapped by his keyboard
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: not normal? I check the logs every now and then. Last night I woke up in the middle of the night to see my Roku indicator light flashing. I unplugged the Roku and went back to bed. Checking the logs of my DNS server, I noticed a ton of requests between 1 AM and 4 AM local, from my main computer.
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> Last time I lost connectivity in the night, I saw a spike in requests, but never saw attempts to search the local domain
[16:44] <daftykins> right so you reckon your cable service went down for a bit? never been near a roku
[16:49] <leftyfb> nacc: I would just let "linux_user" go. They're not going to get the answer they want because what they want isn't reasonable
[16:53] <nacc> leftyfb: agreed.
[16:55] <nacc> leftyfb: i just wish they would admit they are being unreasonable :)
[16:55] <leftyfb> people don't do that
[16:55] <leftyfb> hence the definition :)
[16:56] <nacc> i have had one case of that working in my life and it was so glorious
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> well the room got lively all the sudden
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: yes, I believe the cable must have gone out for maintenance last night, or unscheduled outage. Comcast rarely sends a notice of overnight outages
[19:14] <daftykins> yeah my lady friendis with them down in Houston
[19:39] <nacc> tomreyn: letting the ops know?
[19:39] <nacc> pretty sure they are a child
[19:39] <tomreyn> are there any ops?
[19:40] <nacc> tomreyn: use #ubuntu-ops
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> wb oerheks
[19:41] <oerheks> :-)
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> the more users, the more tolls too
[19:41] <oerheks> maybe i should sign up for ops
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah go for it oerheks
[19:41] <tomreyn> nacc: i did so in the afternoon, pointing out that we need more active ops
[19:41] <nacc> tomreyn: heh
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> and in different timezones
[19:42] <tomreyn> since then, too, response was not fast enough IMO.
[19:42] <oerheks> nacc,  how would i apply ?
[19:42] <nacc> oerheks: i have no idea :)
[19:42] <nacc> oerheks: i'd ask in #ubuntu-ops i think
[19:43] <tomreyn> read up o the irclogs.ubuntu.com of #ubuntu-ops
[19:43] <tomreyn> it's discussed there
[19:44] <tomreyn> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/07/19/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[19:44] <oerheks> thank you
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: you remember procedure?
[19:46] <leftyfb> something something wiki
[19:46] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[19:46] <leftyfb> I applied months ago but haven't got any official response
[19:46] <leftyfb> but off the record I've been told "you will NEVER be an op"
[19:46] <leftyfb> I'm not expecting a response :/
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx leftyfb
[19:49] <tomreyn> lol @ "should i ask here for help or can someone come discord so i can send all pictures ?"
[19:49] <nacc> they installed a webpanel via  third party repo that shippped its own apache
[19:49] <nacc> and fubard their system
[19:50] <daftykins> by all means, let us use as many chat protocols as possible
[19:50] <nacc> lol
[19:50] <nacc> all at once!
[19:50] <daftykins> :D
[19:50] <daftykins> "one moment please i am awaiting the ubuntu release version number sent via carrier pigeon"
[19:51] <nacc> bionic birdpoop
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> cosmic twitter
[19:54] <nacc> lotuspsychje: nice one
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> hows things at work nacc
[19:55] <nacc> lotuspsychje: good! learning a ton
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> you have vacation this year?
[19:59] <nacc> yeah, DO has an unlimited policy, which is ... weird
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> neat
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> better then google's swimming pool :p
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> swim @ home
[20:00] <nacc> heh
[20:06] <daftykins> O_O
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> yess!!! we are saved
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om is here to take us over
[20:17] <daftykins> \o/
[20:17]  * daftykins sounds the cuckoo for the shift change
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: 17500 users today and many trolls
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> oops 1750
[20:19] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: LOL .. Sometimes here I do wonder - other times I just do not know .
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and today artful is eol
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> some news for UWN :p
[20:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yepper .. looking forward to what 19.04 brings . 18.10 has been no issues to report for me .
[20:22] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 17.10 reporting .. still debating on how/when to handle all the details .
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[22:49] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: IRT FroMaster : I see Package linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge >> 4.15.0.24.46: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el s390x . Normal HWE still on 4.13.0.45.64 , No ?
[22:49] <oerheks> he cannot be on 16.04.5 ..
[22:49]  * oerheks scratches
[22:54] <tomreyn> oerheks: i'm "on 16.04.5", too
[22:55] <tomreyn> so the release file was pushed to proposed already, i guess
[22:55] <tomreyn> i'm running 16.04 + proposed here
[22:56] <oerheks> how odd, schedule gives an other date .. i am confused too, as many claimed they are on 16.04.5 too, so i assumed it was out
[22:57] <tomreyn> i suspect it's only 'out' to posposed now, but got confused, too.
[22:58] <oerheks> good luck with that 32 bit uefi thingy, xoxo
[22:59] <oerheks> he already has https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-16.04-install-asus-x205ta.md and the uefi manual with the 32 bit hack
[23:00] <daftykins> just had an update for base-files here guys - and now lsb-release reports .5
[23:04] <tomreyn> daftykins: do you have propsed?
[23:05] <tomreyn> rmadison says xenial-updates got base-files 9.4ubuntu4.7
[23:05] <tomreyn> for which the changelog states "Bump version number to 16.04.5 in preparation for the point release"
[23:06] <daftykins> totally stock server
[23:06] <tomreyn> so it's not a matter of proposed
[23:06] <daftykins> Unpacking base-files (9.4ubuntu4.7) over (9.4ubuntu4.6) ...
[23:06] <tomreyn> the changelog entry dates to Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:20:12 +0200
[23:07] <tomreyn> so, yes, a littl eprematurely, i guess
[23:07] <tomreyn> i think those are normally held back until the release day, or close to it
[23:08] <oerheks> 17.10 went EOL today ..
[23:08] <hggdh> oh tempora, oh mores
[23:09] <daftykins> yip another one bit the dust
[23:12] <oerheks> i don't believe fromaster..
[23:13] <tomreyn> this was claimed before at least once, not sure if by him.