[03:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Amazing job with xfce4-settings!
[04:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks! I think we might be to a point now where SRU uploads are a bit more trusted for each team, so it's easier to move microreleases along. This will change when somebody breaks something though, so enjoy the ability to give our users updates :D
[10:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks for all the sru stuffs :)
[10:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: sure thing
[10:14] <bluesabre> working on the catfish sru now
[10:15] <bluesabre> and then, sometime this weekend, planning to send a thunar update back to xenial
[10:18] <flocculant> oh cool
[10:18] <flocculant> I've seen e-mails during the week - but not done much more than fleetingly read them
[10:18] <flocculant> I'll try and catch up today 
[10:19] <bluesabre> I'm on vacation next week, so trying to knock some stuff out before Monday
[10:19] <flocculant> and get some 18.04 testing sorted - point release next week
[10:19] <bluesabre> Let me know if there's anything you find that I need to do
[10:19] <flocculant> aah cool - good to know that
[10:20] <flocculant> week following is the last 16.04 point release
[10:20] <flocculant> so a bit for me to sort out soonish
[10:20] <bluesabre> :)
[10:21] <flocculant> biab - just got back after todays 4 hour ride - first port of call was here :)
[10:21] <flocculant> kettle next :D
[10:35] <Unit193>     - Dropped, Xfce release manager does not have key signing
[10:35] <Unit193> :(
[10:48] <bluesabre> once xfce moves to gandhi, I'm pretty sure gitea does support it
[10:48] <bluesabre> so, hopefully temporary
[10:49] <Unit193> If Xfce uses that for releases over moka, that is.  And if it does, we lose that nice little html page. :(
[10:50] <bluesabre> no winning then :(
[10:50] <bluesabre> there's the catfish sru, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1782735
[10:51] <bluesabre> xfce4-settings is in -updates
[10:51] <bluesabre> exo should be there in a day or two
[10:51] <bluesabre> xfce4-terminal should be there before 18.04.1
[10:51] <bluesabre> catfish will be slightly after .1
[10:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: has anyone killed 17.10 on our stuff yet?
[10:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: good question
[10:52] <Unit193> flocculant: I'm fairly homicidal, so chances are I might have.  Was I not supposed to?
[10:52] <bluesabre> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1762595 is fixed
[10:52] <flocculant> Unit193: lol
[10:53] <flocculant> gone from docs - still on download page, I'll see if I can kill that later and mail lists
[10:54] <bluesabre> flocculant: thx
[10:54] <Unit193> PPAs, everything has been cleaned out except daily which I don't touch, and seemingly extras.
[10:55] <flocculant> okey doke
[10:55] <Unit193> I, uhh...Nearly went after Bionic in 'experimental'
[10:55] <flocculant> :)
[10:56] <Unit193> Too bad we can't SRU ristretto.
[10:56] <flocculant> everytime I see ristretto I read risotto
[11:00] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - oh, now then
[11:01] <flocculant> If we kill 17.10 - there are no regular releases - people can only get an LTS - so they'd not ever see a regular release unless they fiddle with update manager
[11:02] <flocculant> best we can do I suppose is detail that in the eol notice - pointing to the docs
[11:04] <flocculant> knome: looking at https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/term.php?taxonomy=release&tag_ID=81&post_type=release_link&wp_http_referer=%2Fwp-admin%2Fedit-tags.php%3Ftaxonomy%3Drelease%26post_type%3Drelease_link
[11:04] <knome> flocculant, yes?
[11:04] <flocculant> which implies that torrent links hide after eol date
[11:05] <knome> yes.
[11:05] <flocculant> but it's visible
[11:05] <knome> hmm.
[11:05] <knome> okat
[11:05] <flocculant> :)
[11:05] <knome> okay too
[11:05] <knome> for what release is this?
[11:05] <knome> or for all?
[11:05] <flocculant> 17.10
[11:06] <flocculant> EOL yesterday
[11:06] <knome> also :D
[11:06] <knome> https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/term.php?taxonomy=release&tag_ID=81&post_type=post&wp_http_referer=%2Fwp-admin%2Fedit-tags.php%3Ftaxonomy%3Drelease (and all similar pages)
[11:06] <knome> read "release apes"
[11:06] <knome> maybe that should be corrected to "release pages"
[11:07] <knome> hmm...
[11:07] <flocculant> are the dates in the wrong syntax there?
[11:07] <knome> for now, the workaround is to uncheck the "is this release out?" box
[11:07] <knome> nope
[11:07] <knome> they are in the correct syntax -- but
[11:07] <flocculant> then the wording is :D
[11:07] <flocculant> Date in YYYY-MM-DD format.
[11:07] <knome> your browser might show it differently
[11:08] <knome> because that's the new HTML5 date input
[11:08] <flocculant> date shows as 19/07/2018
[11:08] <knome> yep.
[11:08] <knome> that's the html5 thingy
[11:08] <flocculant> anyway - ack to unchecking
[11:08] <knome> to me it shows 07/19/2018
[11:08] <knome> but if you don't mind -- file a bug against xubuntu-website in launchpad
[11:08] <knome> this should be automatical for sure
[11:08] <flocculant> oh good lord
[11:09] <knome> but yes, the description is a bit off i guess..
[11:09] <knome> the thing is
[11:09] <knome> if your browser *doesn't* support the html5 date input
[11:09] <knome> then the input is shown as plain text
[11:09] <knome> ...and the you'd have no idea what to input
[11:10] <flocculant> knome: so I unchecked it - and it still shows up
[11:10] <knome> where?
[11:10] <knome> not https://xubuntu.org/release/17-10/
[11:10] <flocculant> https://xubuntu.org/download/
[11:10] <knome> oh.
[11:10] <flocculant> have to manually do that I guess
[11:10] <knome> interesting
[11:10] <knome> yes, you need to manually edit the downloads page
[11:10] <knome> i guess
[11:11] <knome> *sigh* :)
[11:11] <knome> that's another thing i should automate.
[11:11] <knome> but you know, life...
[11:11] <flocculant> I'll do it all later today - not got time to do everything right now
[11:11] <knome> i can remove it
[11:11] <flocculant> yea for sure - I know I've been quiet since the start of the cycle
[11:12] <knome> and done
[11:12] <knome> maybe i'll have the motivation and time in late august+
[11:12] <flocculant> knome: ok - I'll follow up later today with words everywhere it's needed
[11:12] <knome> ta
[11:12] <knome> i'll file the damn bug(s) myself now
[11:12] <flocculant> funnily enough docs doesn't show 17.10 :D
[11:12] <knome> yep
[11:13] <knome> because that's automated
[11:13] <flocculant> oh ok - scribbles that note out :D
[11:14] <knome> hmm, there is this other thing
[11:14] <knome> timezones
[11:14] <flocculant> I did wonder 
[11:14] <knome> is it still 19th in the server tz?
[11:14] <knome> so maybe wait 24 hours
[11:14] <knome> and recheck
[11:14] <flocculant> yea
[11:14] <knome> i checked the "out" box for 17.10
[11:15] <knome> so they are now visible
[11:15] <knome> should automatically disappear
[11:15] <flocculant> yup
[11:15] <flocculant> cheers
[11:15] <knome> but in any case -- we should make sure that is done automatically in UTC 
[11:15] <knome> np
[11:15] <Unit193> I got a ping.
[11:15] <knome> ding dong
[11:16] <knome> theoretically https://xubuntu.org/releases/ could offer the downloads as well.
[11:16] <knome> but... meh :)
[11:16] <flocculant> :)
[11:17] <knome> now that Spass did the work of getting all the old wallpapers, we could list them for each release as well
[11:17] <knome> (and we pretty much already support doing that, only the heading is a bit wrong as it says "Screenshots", could be "Media")
[11:18] <flocculant> could be nice
[11:18] <knome> pleia2, i (still) propose getting rid of the press archive (https://xubuntu.org/press/archive)
[11:18] <flocculant> anyway - back later
[11:18] <knome> the press stuff i laid out so much nicer in the release pages -- even if it's not listing everything on the same page...
[11:19] <knome> flocculant, hf!
[11:20] <knome> https://xubuntu.org/release/6-06/ for an example for the wallpaper stuff..
[11:21] <knome> that way we are also essentially offering downloads for the official wallpapers "easily"
[11:21] <knome> (which is a good thing)
[11:21] <flocculant> yea - makes sense 
[11:21] <flocculant> really going now :p
[11:21] <knome> yes :P
[11:28] <knome> oh hello rt.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <knome> so every wallpaper except maverick uploaded - it exceeds the max upload size (rt #32539 requests to increase that) 
[12:01] <Spass> knome, very nice little change, now that page looks more "alive" - https://xubuntu.org/release/16-04/
[12:01] <knome> yes indeed
[12:02] <knome> even more so with the EOL releases that have no other media
[12:05] <Spass> ups, that last screenshot is from 13.04 - https://xubuntu.org/release/14-04/
[12:06] <knome> clearl
[12:06] <knome> y
[12:06] <knome> :P
[12:06] <knome> man, we need a filter-by-release feature:P
[12:06] <knome> now the last screenshot is gone
[12:06] <knome> fortunately this is easy as that..
[12:11] <Spass> and thanks to that change I now know that I've missed 10.04 wallpaper on my website, I thought that release used a wall from the 9.10, so thanks :)
[12:11] <knome> ;)
[12:12] <knome> actually i'm not sure if that was the real case.
[12:12] <knome> my memory with that is a bit hazy, but that's what i had on my filesystem
[12:12] <knome> *shrug*
[12:12] <knome> it might have been one of the rare cases when a new wallpaper wasn't uploaded for a release
[12:13] <Spass> hmm, so I should investigate that
[12:13] <Spass> let my download that ISO and check :P
[12:16] <knome> ta
[12:17] <knome> you should start get involved a bit more even, we could then add you to the website team (and xubuntu team) so you could do things on yer own
[12:17] <knome> and/or if you are active on social media, i'm sure pleia2 would love some help maintaining stuff
[12:22] <knome> now off for something completely different
[12:22] <knome> o/
[12:25] <Spass> thanks knome, I'm trying to be a "sometimes helpful" outsider ;) and yes, I probably should get involved in the project more, I hope I'll find some ways to do that in the future, problem is I'm not skilled or knowledgeable enough, I think, but I'll try to help with some ISO testing in the future also
[12:48] <Spass> seems like 10.04 used a wall from 9.10 by default, but still, I like that from the release page more :)
[13:49] <knome> Spass, we do need different skills - everybody doesn't need to be a developer :)
[13:52] <Spass> I know, but a person should have some "different skills" first :D
[13:53] <Spass> anyway, that all talk about old Xubuntu versions made me nostalgic and I'm making simple grey Plymouth theme
[13:53] <Spass> https://i.imgur.com/utakTGJ.png
[13:54] <Spass> #333333 background of course ;) to keep it official
[13:55] <Spass> and since I don't have SSD on my laptop I will be able to actually see that screen
[18:53] <pleia2> knome: you had proposed it before? :) I suppose as long as we have the articles linked somewhere, it's ok, since I do like being able to walk through history and see what articles popped up about releases from 7 years ago :)
[20:23] <knome> pleia2, yeah, when we moved to the new (current) press link collection thingy  :)
[20:25] <pleia2> ah
[20:39] <Unit193> https://tracker.debian.org/news/974393/accepted-elementary-xfce-012-1-source-all-into-unstable-unstable/ there appears to be a new package in Debian, I have no clue where it came from.