| guiverc | thanks oerheks Bashing-om | 01:14 |
|---|---|---|
| Bashing-om | guiverc: Huh .. thanks just for hand holding ? Ain't done nothing yet :P | 01:17 |
| guiverc | nah, you have... | 01:18 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:00 |
| oerheks | go to sleep, lotuspsychje | 03:13 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 03:14 |
| lotuspsychje | mosquito.. | 03:14 |
| oerheks | seeguls crying | 03:14 |
| lotuspsychje | big bionic update :p | 03:14 |
| oerheks | moskito you can kill | 03:14 |
| oerheks | oh kernel | 03:15 |
| oerheks | boinq | 03:16 |
| Bashing-om | oerheks: I read on launchpad that the -29 kernel should fix the -24 issues :) | 03:22 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 03:26 |
| === guiver_d is now known as guiverc | ||
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: you pinged me earlier | 04:07 |
| hggdh | and good morning to you | 04:07 |
| lotuspsychje | hey morning hggdh | 04:07 |
| lotuspsychje | its fixxed, was for artful topic wipe | 04:07 |
| lotuspsychje | hence its eol :p | 04:07 |
| hggdh | ah, OK | 04:07 |
| hggdh | good | 04:07 |
| hggdh | and we are fixing to look at the factoids suggestions we received | 04:08 |
| hggdh | Real Soon Now(tM) | 04:08 |
| lotuspsychje | ah i didnt send some | 04:09 |
| lotuspsychje | curious :p | 04:09 |
| hggdh | you did not, but others here did | 04:09 |
| hggdh | :-) | 04:09 |
| lotuspsychje | nice one | 04:09 |
| === ledeni_ is now known as ledeni | ||
| lotuspsychje | here we go again oerheks :pp | 04:26 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe he installed that hijacked mint dvd lol | 04:27 |
| lotuspsychje | im pretty sure he's on mint, using ubuntu as excuse | 04:31 |
| hggdh | OTOH, it is so stupid an error that it may be real | 04:31 |
| lotuspsychje | never seen someone execute the install icon lol | 04:32 |
| hggdh | yes, this is why I think it may not be a troll. But... borderline | 04:32 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah could be he's real | 04:33 |
| oerheks | no, there are no simular issues, he is drunk, or bored | 04:34 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 04:35 |
| oerheks | guys he is going to reboot | 04:36 |
| oerheks | say "ay" | 04:36 |
| hggdh | aie | 04:36 |
| hggdh | aye | 04:36 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 04:37 |
| hggdh | well... I will do the smart thing, and go to bed :-) | 04:37 |
| lotuspsychje | sleep tight hggdh | 04:37 |
| hggdh | night night | 04:37 |
| lotuspsychje | cu next round | 04:37 |
| hggdh | certainly :-) | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | im gonna reboot aswell.. | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | for kernels :p | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | say ay oerheks | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | Linux R00TBOOK 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 17 15:39:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for headsup Bashing-om | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | we will spread the word | 04:41 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: mutual support :P | 04:45 |
| hggdh | is the ehlp situation controlled? | 05:25 |
| hggdh | (I was going finally to bed...) | 05:25 |
| hggdh | yeah, it is. night night for real now | 05:26 |
| oerheks | yes, they moved | 05:27 |
| oerheks | nn hggdh | 05:27 |
| lotuspsychje | fleemarket bbl :p | 06:07 |
| oerheks | fresh flees, for all | 06:18 |
| oerheks | ..cheese? | 06:18 |
| ducasse | good morning, oerheks | 06:19 |
| ducasse | and everyone else | 06:19 |
| tomreyn | there is a new cpuburn alternative: http://i.imgur.com/BtUiSt3.png | 15:00 |
| blackflow | my god it's full of sta^H^H^H^H CPUs! | 15:01 |
| oerheks | wow, is there a snap available? | 15:03 |
| oerheks | :-P | 15:03 |
| oerheks | so, you slept 10,5 hrs after checking email ? | 15:04 |
| tomreyn | :)) | 15:10 |
| tomreyn | there's indeed a snap, but i don't dare to run it, since it might make things backward incompatible. | 15:27 |
| tomreyn | plus i dont know who "ken-vandine" (publisher) is | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 16:00 |
| tomreyn | hello there | 16:02 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there tomreyn | 16:02 |
| lotuspsychje | whats his original question tomreyn | 16:05 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: none so far | 16:06 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:06 |
| blackflow | huh.... SSD firmware updates. I had no idea but I guess it makes sense. ogawd, yet another thing to worry about updating................. | 16:30 |
| lotuspsychje | blackflow: aka the samsung 840 evo has bad performance bugs==needs firmware | 16:31 |
| oerheks | for that 840 yes | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | blackflow: the pro's are mostly good to go | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | but check anyway on samsungs site | 16:32 |
| blackflow | lotuspsychje: yeah but I see on samsung's site there are fw updates even for 850 | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | evo or pro blackflow ? | 16:32 |
| blackflow | BOTH | 16:33 |
| blackflow | sorry, caps lock | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | oh tnx for feedback blackflow | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | must have been added | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | well, if there are firmwares available: do them :p | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | just keep in mind there 'can' be datalost resulting to reformat | 16:33 |
| blackflow | yyyyyyyyyeah, not sure about that. if it ain't broken and all that, and so far I don't see anything broken. | 16:34 |
| tomreyn | i think this is only for old drives, newer ones were seold with newer firmware already. smartctl / hdparm would tell which firmware is running | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | depending on what the firmware holds of course | 16:34 |
| blackflow | reason I'm also not keen on doing BIOS updates either. got burnt in the past. | 16:34 |
| blackflow | tomreyn: indeed, good idea | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | blackflow: but lets say we have a 850 pro, samsung gives out 10y warranty, if you dont do the firmware they could say its not under warranty perhaps | 16:35 |
| blackflow | I'm sure I'll be getting new drives one way or another in half that time :) | 16:36 |
| blackflow | I renew my computing infrastructure every 5 or so years | 16:36 |
| lotuspsychje | thats why i work with the 850 pro 10y warranty i like | 16:37 |
| blackflow | I'll probably hasten this cycle tho'. I'm currently on equipment from 2015, and I'm drooling for some ryzen2 goodness later this year or early next year. | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | didnt get dataloss or breakage neither on them | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | unfortunately samsung ssd's also dont do TRIM properly https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/e64f638483a21105c7ce330d543fa1f1c35b5bc7/drivers/ata/libata-core.c | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | well not queued TRIM anyways. they just doint support it, but claim that they do. | 16:39 |
| tomreyn | which is whys there's this blacklist in libata | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | but xenial and up autotrims already right? | 16:39 |
| tomreyn | yes, there are queued trim and another method. queued would be better if it worked, but the other method (i forgot the name) still works. | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 16:40 |
| tomreyn | its just bad for hardware / firmware to claim they support features and when you try to use them they fall flat on their face. | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | tru that | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | and others, microns, i think, or some of them, actually do queued trim fine | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | ill have a look later on the new firmwares | 16:48 |
| sonicwind | I gotta read this discussion later... I'm actually in the market for an SSD and am considering both Micron/Crucial and Samsung | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | im fan of the 850 pro's :p | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | but what tomreyn stated is true | 17:03 |
| sonicwind | I have an 840 in this used laptop I just got and can't say i'm terribly impressed with it, although i think most of that is Ubuntu... haven't had time to work on that | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: evo? | 17:03 |
| sonicwind | yeah I think... not pro I don't think | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: they i presume you didnt firmware it? | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | *so | 17:04 |
| sonicwind | mostly whatever all my friend did to it before he handed it over to me... he works in IT | 17:04 |
| sonicwind | I know much of it is ubuntu, from having done systemd-blame analyze and such... it sits around for 10 seconds just looking for btrfs partitions | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | you can check firmware the way tomreyn suggested above | 17:05 |
| sonicwind | unfortunately my friend put encryption lvm and uefi on it even though I asked him not to lol... | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | and btrfs isnt the most stable neither :p | 17:06 |
| sonicwind | I'm eventually going to put plain ext4 and mbr on it, no encryption | 17:07 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah try that sonicwind | 17:07 |
| sonicwind | learning curve these past 2 1/2 years has been so crazy fast, I feel sometimes like I'm forgetting as much as I'm learning | 17:07 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah recall stuff is harder when you grow older :p | 17:08 |
| sonicwind | so, have enough to remember now without tackling uefi encryption and lvm | 17:08 |
| sonicwind | yeah I just turned 49 | 17:08 |
| sonicwind | yesterday | 17:08 |
| sonicwind | plus, seems like there are more problems on ubuntuforums with encryption and lvm than anything else | 17:08 |
| tomreyn | "sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | head" should tell the firmware | 17:08 |
| sonicwind | Firmware Revision: DXT0AB0Q | 17:09 |
| sonicwind | samsung ssd 840 series | 17:10 |
| sonicwind | I do have over 50 pages of notes from that 2 1/2 years though, that I'm constantly revising. It's been a great help. My own manual so to speak. Once I know I have certain stuff down, I can get rid of it. | 17:11 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: compare your firmware with the one on samsungs site(for your model) | 17:12 |
| sonicwind | I'll eventually get an encryption, lvm and uefi section to it but not now... I have some basic uefi stuff in it already. | 17:12 |
| sonicwind | I only see firmware for windows and mac users | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | its non Os related, it just has to be loaded on an usb, then get to your ssd | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | i think i did it with the site frop plop boot manager, to get it on stick | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | from | 17:15 |
| sonicwind | * Notice: ISO files may be used only via DOS using a bootable CD/DVD. | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah it means you need to boot your made usb, at F12 boot, then let do its job to firmware it | 17:17 |
| lotuspsychje | this is before ubuntu loading right | 17:17 |
| sonicwind | right, gotcha | 17:18 |
| sonicwind | ISO DXT09B0Q ... yep, guess its oudated | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah this will be big performance fix | 17:19 |
| sonicwind | think I'll just deal with it... another thing for me to mess up | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | lolll | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | if you succesfully burn to usb, nothing can go wrong | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure how i did it exactly anymore | 17:20 |
| sonicwind | will make a note of it and wait for a day I feel ambitious | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | with a tool from here | 17:21 |
| sonicwind | truth be told, I got all the time in the world to wait for stuff to happen... just want it to work... low expectations.. I'd be happy with 5 minute boot time. I wake up , turn it on and go get breakfast. | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont lol, when i buy an ssd it has to be TURBO! | 17:22 |
| sonicwind | as it is, my boot time on this laptop with the SSD now is about 46 seconds... at least 20 of that appears to be wasted, but haven't had time to work on it | 17:22 |
| sonicwind | and 46 seconds isn't any faster than my other sytem with docked external HD I run Ubuntu off of | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | your new purpose in life, 840 performance bug fix :p | 17:23 |
| sonicwind | actually, the ext HD has booted as fast as 38 seconds or so | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | neat | 17:23 |
| sonicwind | seemed to get slower after the meltdown/spectre fixes | 17:24 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah whole world is turning slower now :p | 17:24 |
| sonicwind | since that started, I still haven't heard of any actual issues in the wild with them... that weren't from someone testing | 17:25 |
| sonicwind | still amazes me how much you guys offer here... lotuspsychje, tomreyn, oerheks among others | 17:31 |
| sonicwind | help | 17:31 |
| lotuspsychje | we share & learn sonicwind | 17:32 |
| lotuspsychje | togheter as a team we can do alot, co-operate | 17:33 |
| lotuspsychje | we also learn from issues | 17:33 |
| sonicwind | Do any of you also work with linux in your day job? | 17:34 |
| * blackflow raises hand. | 17:34 | |
| lotuspsychje | im running an ubuntu business with barebone laptops and ssd's LTS | 17:35 |
| sonicwind | nice | 17:35 |
| sonicwind | usually running a business requires as much time as you spend here lol | 17:35 |
| lotuspsychje | alot of volunteers are working in IT | 17:35 |
| lotuspsychje | but others also have years ubuntu experience | 17:36 |
| sonicwind | yeah | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | we dont judge :p | 17:36 |
| sonicwind | I started with 14.04 LTS late in the going... lots of change with ubuntu since then, just in that short time | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | we are legion | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | oops | 17:36 |
| sonicwind | ok, caught up on that earlier discussion... I think maybe NCQ is the other type of TRIM tomreyn was referring to. | 18:15 |
| tomreyn | sonicwind: yes i think so, thanks ;) | 18:16 |
| lotuspsychje | man this zexaron can talk some branches oO | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | :) | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | there's a reason why i asked him to put the whole story on etherpad or pastebin | 19:00 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 19:00 |
| lotuspsychje | jeez he can turn around the corner lol | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | he wouldnt do it, though, and i'm not willing to try to understand the way they present it on the chat | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | !next | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: they are just not in a very good mental state at this time, which makes it hard to work with them. i'm not sure you saw this: <Zexaron> Yeah trying to get what other people think, sorry I have a ... i'm not able to explain so good the events of past 2 weeks coherent, i've been to hospital in the middle, doing much better now but I'm not that energetic etc | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | pauljw: ignore is like an austrich stick head in the sand :p | 19:14 |
| tomreyn | i think todays' #ubuntu chat can't get much worse, so things can only get better now. | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | that promises for 26 tomreyn | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: 26? | 19:17 |
| lotuspsychje | .1 release | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | oh right | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | well, its mostly about the people and their behaviours and abilities (the latter is okay, but can be daunting, too) | 19:18 |
| sonicwind | it looks like yates left, but he could have installed net-tools to get ifconfig back | 19:19 |
| tomreyn | yes, but it semed like he should read the release notes first of all. | 19:20 |
| sonicwind | :-) | 19:20 |
| tomreyn | s/he/they/ | 19:20 |
| pauljw | no it's not, lotuspsychje. it keeps my blood pressure under control and prevents me from telling exactly what i think of his whiney attitude. he should just go back to Windows where he came from. | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ventilate agression to unaware trolls...hmm thats an idea pauljw :p | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | i might finally get rid of my years built frustrations | 19:24 |
| oerheks | welcome to weekend support .. gna gna | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 19:25 |
| ducasse | until we have a way to remotely whack them over the head with a rolled-up newspaper. /ignore is a good tool | 19:26 |
| pauljw | life's too short to put up with the likes of some of these people. | 19:26 |
| ducasse | s/./,/ | 19:26 |
| pauljw | :) | 19:26 |
| lotuspsychje | and when your heads in the sand, you hearing the sound of your suffering volunteer friends | 19:27 |
| lotuspsychje | helpppp | 19:27 |
| * sonicwind can't wait to get whacked | 19:27 | |
| pauljw | if you're still helping the likes of that one, you're on your own. | 19:28 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 19:29 |
| pauljw | besides, i didn't notice him looking for help. just complaining about something he has paid nothing for, to people he's paying nothing to. | 19:31 |
| ducasse | ...for project he's probably not contributing to | 19:33 |
| ducasse | *for a | 19:33 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah its not fair canonical gets payed and we dont :p | 19:34 |
| lotuspsychje | where's my wonga's | 19:35 |
| sonicwind | you guys should get something for it... | 19:35 |
| sonicwind | stickers from the Canonical website or something haha | 19:35 |
| sonicwind | :-) | 19:35 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: yes man! my bank number is 555-7867564-87 | 19:35 |
| ducasse | pizza! | 19:35 |
| sonicwind | pizza | 19:36 |
| ducasse | :) | 19:36 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmm thats a new idea, ubuntu pizza's | 19:37 |
| pauljw | :) | 19:37 |
| lotuspsychje | with the round logo n all | 19:37 |
| lotuspsychje | you found a new hole in the market ducasse | 19:37 |
| ducasse | :) | 19:37 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^ uses his mycroft to bake pizza's and bring them to him | 19:39 |
| sonicwind | cookie for tom | 19:53 |
| sonicwind | lol | 19:53 |
| lotuspsychje | we getting nice prices today :p | 19:53 |
| tomreyn | much better than a cookie! | 19:53 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome oliver_swift | 19:54 |
| lotuspsychje | whats up on kdenlive oliver_swift ? | 19:55 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome CaCO3 | 19:57 |
| oliver_swift | Just brought out an old camera to film a video and used kdenlive to edit, and I just wanted to hear if there were tips from anyone on using it? It'd be cool to start writing extensions for it but I don't know much about it. I heard it's written in python though! | 19:57 |
| lotuspsychje | never used myself here | 19:57 |
| oliver_swift | Or some portion in Python, I guess a video editor might be a bit slow if it were all in Python? | 19:58 |
| * tomreyn neither | 19:58 | |
| EriC^ | lotuspsychje: :D | 19:58 |
| lotuspsychje | :p EriC^ | 19:58 |
| sonicwind | I use Avidemux for video editing lol | 19:58 |
| lotuspsychje | nite nite all | 20:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ttyl | 20:01 |
| sonicwind | nite | 20:01 |
| sonicwind | tom with the google-fu for another cookie :-) | 20:10 |
| tomreyn | hope i can make it work, wireless can be tough | 20:36 |
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