[01:14] thanks oerheks Bashing-om [01:17] guiverc: Huh .. thanks just for hand holding ? Ain't done nothing yet :P [01:18] nah, you have... [03:00] good morning to all [03:13] go to sleep, lotuspsychje [03:14] lol [03:14] mosquito.. [03:14] seeguls crying [03:14] big bionic update :p [03:14] moskito you can kill [03:15] oh kernel [03:16] boinq [03:22] oerheks: I read on launchpad that the -29 kernel should fix the -24 issues :) [03:26] aha === guiver_d is now known as guiverc [04:07] lotuspsychje: you pinged me earlier [04:07] and good morning to you [04:07] hey morning hggdh [04:07] its fixxed, was for artful topic wipe [04:07] hence its eol :p [04:07] ah, OK [04:07] good [04:08] and we are fixing to look at the factoids suggestions we received [04:08] Real Soon Now(tM) [04:09] ah i didnt send some [04:09] curious :p [04:09] you did not, but others here did [04:09] :-) [04:09] nice one === ledeni_ is now known as ledeni [04:26] here we go again oerheks :pp [04:27] maybe he installed that hijacked mint dvd lol [04:31] im pretty sure he's on mint, using ubuntu as excuse [04:31] OTOH, it is so stupid an error that it may be real [04:32] never seen someone execute the install icon lol [04:32] yes, this is why I think it may not be a troll. But... borderline [04:33] yeah could be he's real [04:34] no, there are no simular issues, he is drunk, or bored [04:35] lol [04:36] guys he is going to reboot [04:36] say "ay" [04:36] aie [04:36] aye [04:37] hehe [04:37] well... I will do the smart thing, and go to bed :-) [04:37] sleep tight hggdh [04:37] night night [04:37] cu next round [04:38] certainly :-) [04:38] im gonna reboot aswell.. [04:38] for kernels :p [04:38] say ay oerheks [04:41] Linux R00TBOOK 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 17 15:39:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:41] tnx for headsup Bashing-om [04:41] we will spread the word [04:45] lotuspsychje: mutual support :P [05:25] is the ehlp situation controlled? [05:25] (I was going finally to bed...) [05:26] yeah, it is. night night for real now [05:27] yes, they moved [05:27] nn hggdh [06:07] fleemarket bbl :p [06:18] fresh flees, for all [06:18] ..cheese? [06:19] good morning, oerheks [06:19] and everyone else [15:00] there is a new cpuburn alternative: http://i.imgur.com/BtUiSt3.png [15:01] my god it's full of sta^H^H^H^H CPUs! [15:03] wow, is there a snap available? [15:03] :-P [15:04] so, you slept 10,5 hrs after checking email ? [15:10] :)) [15:27] there's indeed a snap, but i don't dare to run it, since it might make things backward incompatible. [15:28] plus i dont know who "ken-vandine" (publisher) is [16:00] good evening to all [16:02] hello there [16:02] hey there tomreyn [16:05] whats his original question tomreyn [16:06] lotuspsychje: none so far [16:06] lol [16:30] huh.... SSD firmware updates. I had no idea but I guess it makes sense. ogawd, yet another thing to worry about updating................. [16:31] blackflow: aka the samsung 840 evo has bad performance bugs==needs firmware [16:32] for that 840 yes [16:32] blackflow: the pro's are mostly good to go [16:32] but check anyway on samsungs site [16:32] lotuspsychje: yeah but I see on samsung's site there are fw updates even for 850 [16:32] evo or pro blackflow ? [16:33] BOTH [16:33] sorry, caps lock [16:33] oh tnx for feedback blackflow [16:33] must have been added [16:33] well, if there are firmwares available: do them :p [16:33] just keep in mind there 'can' be datalost resulting to reformat [16:34] yyyyyyyyyeah, not sure about that. if it ain't broken and all that, and so far I don't see anything broken. [16:34] i think this is only for old drives, newer ones were seold with newer firmware already. smartctl / hdparm would tell which firmware is running [16:34] depending on what the firmware holds of course [16:34] reason I'm also not keen on doing BIOS updates either. got burnt in the past. [16:35] tomreyn: indeed, good idea [16:35] blackflow: but lets say we have a 850 pro, samsung gives out 10y warranty, if you dont do the firmware they could say its not under warranty perhaps [16:36] I'm sure I'll be getting new drives one way or another in half that time :) [16:36] I renew my computing infrastructure every 5 or so years [16:37] thats why i work with the 850 pro 10y warranty i like [16:38] I'll probably hasten this cycle tho'. I'm currently on equipment from 2015, and I'm drooling for some ryzen2 goodness later this year or early next year. [16:38] didnt get dataloss or breakage neither on them [16:38] unfortunately samsung ssd's also dont do TRIM properly https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/e64f638483a21105c7ce330d543fa1f1c35b5bc7/drivers/ata/libata-core.c [16:39] well not queued TRIM anyways. they just doint support it, but claim that they do. [16:39] which is whys there's this blacklist in libata [16:39] but xenial and up autotrims already right? [16:40] yes, there are queued trim and another method. queued would be better if it worked, but the other method (i forgot the name) still works. [16:40] aha [16:40] its just bad for hardware / firmware to claim they support features and when you try to use them they fall flat on their face. [16:41] tru that [16:42] and others, microns, i think, or some of them, actually do queued trim fine [16:48] ill have a look later on the new firmwares [17:02] I gotta read this discussion later... I'm actually in the market for an SSD and am considering both Micron/Crucial and Samsung [17:03] im fan of the 850 pro's :p [17:03] but what tomreyn stated is true [17:03] I have an 840 in this used laptop I just got and can't say i'm terribly impressed with it, although i think most of that is Ubuntu... haven't had time to work on that [17:03] sonicwind: evo? [17:03] yeah I think... not pro I don't think [17:04] sonicwind: they i presume you didnt firmware it? [17:04] *so [17:04] mostly whatever all my friend did to it before he handed it over to me... he works in IT [17:05] I know much of it is ubuntu, from having done systemd-blame analyze and such... it sits around for 10 seconds just looking for btrfs partitions [17:05] you can check firmware the way tomreyn suggested above [17:05] unfortunately my friend put encryption lvm and uefi on it even though I asked him not to lol... [17:06] and btrfs isnt the most stable neither :p [17:07] I'm eventually going to put plain ext4 and mbr on it, no encryption [17:07] yeah try that sonicwind [17:07] learning curve these past 2 1/2 years has been so crazy fast, I feel sometimes like I'm forgetting as much as I'm learning [17:08] yeah recall stuff is harder when you grow older :p [17:08] so, have enough to remember now without tackling uefi encryption and lvm [17:08] yeah I just turned 49 [17:08] yesterday [17:08] plus, seems like there are more problems on ubuntuforums with encryption and lvm than anything else [17:08] "sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | head" should tell the firmware [17:09] Firmware Revision: DXT0AB0Q [17:10] samsung ssd 840 series [17:11] I do have over 50 pages of notes from that 2 1/2 years though, that I'm constantly revising. It's been a great help. My own manual so to speak. Once I know I have certain stuff down, I can get rid of it. [17:12] sonicwind: compare your firmware with the one on samsungs site(for your model) [17:12] I'll eventually get an encryption, lvm and uefi section to it but not now... I have some basic uefi stuff in it already. [17:14] I only see firmware for windows and mac users [17:15] its non Os related, it just has to be loaded on an usb, then get to your ssd [17:15] i think i did it with the site frop plop boot manager, to get it on stick [17:15] from [17:16] * Notice: ISO files may be used only via DOS using a bootable CD/DVD. [17:17] yeah it means you need to boot your made usb, at F12 boot, then let do its job to firmware it [17:17] this is before ubuntu loading right [17:18] right, gotcha [17:19] ISO DXT09B0Q ... yep, guess its oudated [17:19] yeah this will be big performance fix [17:19] think I'll just deal with it... another thing for me to mess up [17:19] lolll [17:19] if you succesfully burn to usb, nothing can go wrong [17:20] not sure how i did it exactly anymore [17:20] will make a note of it and wait for a day I feel ambitious [17:21] sonicwind: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html [17:21] with a tool from here [17:21] truth be told, I got all the time in the world to wait for stuff to happen... just want it to work... low expectations.. I'd be happy with 5 minute boot time. I wake up , turn it on and go get breakfast. [17:22] i dont lol, when i buy an ssd it has to be TURBO! [17:22] as it is, my boot time on this laptop with the SSD now is about 46 seconds... at least 20 of that appears to be wasted, but haven't had time to work on it [17:23] and 46 seconds isn't any faster than my other sytem with docked external HD I run Ubuntu off of [17:23] your new purpose in life, 840 performance bug fix :p [17:23] actually, the ext HD has booted as fast as 38 seconds or so [17:23] neat [17:24] seemed to get slower after the meltdown/spectre fixes [17:24] yeah whole world is turning slower now :p [17:25] since that started, I still haven't heard of any actual issues in the wild with them... that weren't from someone testing [17:31] still amazes me how much you guys offer here... lotuspsychje, tomreyn, oerheks among others [17:31] help [17:32] we share & learn sonicwind [17:33] togheter as a team we can do alot, co-operate [17:33] we also learn from issues [17:34] Do any of you also work with linux in your day job? [17:34] * blackflow raises hand. [17:35] im running an ubuntu business with barebone laptops and ssd's LTS [17:35] nice [17:35] usually running a business requires as much time as you spend here lol [17:35] alot of volunteers are working in IT [17:36] but others also have years ubuntu experience [17:36] yeah [17:36] we dont judge :p [17:36] I started with 14.04 LTS late in the going... lots of change with ubuntu since then, just in that short time [17:36] we are legion [17:36] oops [18:15] ok, caught up on that earlier discussion... I think maybe NCQ is the other type of TRIM tomreyn was referring to. [18:16] sonicwind: yes i think so, thanks ;) [18:57] man this zexaron can talk some branches oO [18:57] :) [19:00] there's a reason why i asked him to put the whole story on etherpad or pastebin [19:00] yeah [19:01] jeez he can turn around the corner lol [19:01] he wouldnt do it, though, and i'm not willing to try to understand the way they present it on the chat [19:01] !next [19:05] lotuspsychje: they are just not in a very good mental state at this time, which makes it hard to work with them. i'm not sure you saw this: Yeah trying to get what other people think, sorry I have a ... i'm not able to explain so good the events of past 2 weeks coherent, i've been to hospital in the middle, doing much better now but I'm not that energetic etc [19:05] yeah [19:14] pauljw: ignore is like an austrich stick head in the sand :p [19:16] i think todays' #ubuntu chat can't get much worse, so things can only get better now. [19:16] lol [19:17] that promises for 26 tomreyn [19:17] lotuspsychje: 26? [19:17] .1 release [19:17] oh right [19:18] well, its mostly about the people and their behaviours and abilities (the latter is okay, but can be daunting, too) [19:19] it looks like yates left, but he could have installed net-tools to get ifconfig back [19:20] yes, but it semed like he should read the release notes first of all. [19:20] :-) [19:20] s/he/they/ [19:20] no it's not, lotuspsychje. it keeps my blood pressure under control and prevents me from telling exactly what i think of his whiney attitude. he should just go back to Windows where he came from. [19:20] lol [19:24] ventilate agression to unaware trolls...hmm thats an idea pauljw :p [19:24] i might finally get rid of my years built frustrations [19:25] welcome to weekend support .. gna gna [19:25] haha [19:26] until we have a way to remotely whack them over the head with a rolled-up newspaper. /ignore is a good tool [19:26] life's too short to put up with the likes of some of these people. [19:26] s/./,/ [19:26] :) [19:27] and when your heads in the sand, you hearing the sound of your suffering volunteer friends [19:27] helpppp [19:27] * sonicwind can't wait to get whacked [19:28] if you're still helping the likes of that one, you're on your own. [19:29] :p [19:31] besides, i didn't notice him looking for help. just complaining about something he has paid nothing for, to people he's paying nothing to. [19:33] ...for project he's probably not contributing to [19:33] *for a [19:34] yeah its not fair canonical gets payed and we dont :p [19:35] where's my wonga's [19:35] you guys should get something for it... [19:35] stickers from the Canonical website or something haha [19:35] :-) [19:35] sonicwind: yes man! my bank number is 555-7867564-87 [19:35] pizza! [19:36] pizza [19:36] :) [19:37] hmmm thats a new idea, ubuntu pizza's [19:37] :) [19:37] with the round logo n all [19:37] you found a new hole in the market ducasse [19:37] :) [19:39] EriC^ uses his mycroft to bake pizza's and bring them to him [19:53] cookie for tom [19:53] lol [19:53] we getting nice prices today :p [19:53] much better than a cookie! [19:54] welcome oliver_swift [19:55] whats up on kdenlive oliver_swift ? [19:57] welcome CaCO3 [19:57] Just brought out an old camera to film a video and used kdenlive to edit, and I just wanted to hear if there were tips from anyone on using it? It'd be cool to start writing extensions for it but I don't know much about it. I heard it's written in python though! [19:57] never used myself here [19:58] Or some portion in Python, I guess a video editor might be a bit slow if it were all in Python? [19:58] * tomreyn neither [19:58] lotuspsychje: :D [19:58] :p EriC^ [19:58] I use Avidemux for video editing lol [20:01] nite nite all [20:01] ttyl [20:01] nite [20:10] tom with the google-fu for another cookie :-) [20:36] hope i can make it work, wireless can be tough