[01:14] <guiverc> thanks oerheks Bashing-om
[01:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Huh .. thanks just for hand holding ? Ain't done nothing yet :P
[01:18] <guiverc> nah, you have...
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:13] <oerheks> go to sleep, lotuspsychje
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> mosquito..
[03:14] <oerheks> seeguls crying
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> big bionic update :p
[03:14] <oerheks> moskito you can kill
[03:15] <oerheks> oh kernel
[03:16] <oerheks> boinq
[03:22] <Bashing-om> oerheks: I read on launchpad that the -29 kernel should fix the -24 issues :)
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> aha
[04:07] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: you pinged me earlier
[04:07] <hggdh> and good morning to you
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> hey morning hggdh
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> its fixxed, was for artful topic wipe
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> hence its eol :p
[04:07] <hggdh> ah, OK
[04:07] <hggdh> good
[04:08] <hggdh> and we are fixing to look at the factoids suggestions we received
[04:08] <hggdh> Real Soon Now(tM)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> ah i didnt send some
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> curious :p
[04:09] <hggdh> you did not, but others here did
[04:09] <hggdh> :-)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> here we go again oerheks :pp
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> maybe he installed that hijacked mint dvd lol
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> im pretty sure he's on mint, using ubuntu as excuse
[04:31] <hggdh> OTOH, it is so stupid an error that it may be real
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> never seen someone execute the install icon lol
[04:32] <hggdh> yes, this is why I think it may not be a troll. But... borderline
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah could be he's real
[04:34] <oerheks> no, there are no simular issues, he is drunk, or bored
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:36] <oerheks> guys he is going to reboot
[04:36] <oerheks> say "ay"
[04:36] <hggdh> aie
[04:36] <hggdh> aye
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:37] <hggdh> well... I will do the smart thing, and go to bed :-)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> sleep tight hggdh
[04:37] <hggdh> night night
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> cu next round
[04:38] <hggdh> certainly :-)
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> im gonna reboot aswell..
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> for kernels :p
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> say ay oerheks
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 17 15:39:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> tnx for headsup Bashing-om
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> we will spread the word
[04:45] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: mutual support :P
[05:25] <hggdh> is the ehlp situation controlled?
[05:25] <hggdh> (I was going finally to bed...)
[05:26] <hggdh> yeah, it is. night night for real now
[05:27] <oerheks> yes, they moved
[05:27] <oerheks> nn hggdh
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> fleemarket bbl :p
[06:18] <oerheks> fresh flees, for all
[06:18] <oerheks> ..cheese?
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning, oerheks
[06:19] <ducasse> and everyone else
[15:00] <tomreyn> there is a new cpuburn alternative: http://i.imgur.com/BtUiSt3.png
[15:01] <blackflow> my god it's full of sta^H^H^H^H CPUs!
[15:03] <oerheks> wow, is there a snap available?
[15:03] <oerheks> :-P
[15:04] <oerheks> so, you slept 10,5 hrs after checking email ?
[15:10] <tomreyn> :))
[15:27] <tomreyn> there's indeed a snap, but i don't dare to run it, since it might make things backward incompatible.
[15:28] <tomreyn> plus i dont know who "ken-vandine" (publisher) is
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:02] <tomreyn> hello there
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> hey there tomreyn
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> whats his original question tomreyn
[16:06] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: none so far
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:30] <blackflow> huh.... SSD firmware updates. I had no idea but I guess it makes sense. ogawd, yet another thing to worry about updating.................
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: aka the samsung 840 evo has bad performance bugs==needs firmware
[16:32] <oerheks> for that 840 yes
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: the pro's are mostly good to go
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> but check anyway on samsungs site
[16:32] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: yeah but I see on samsung's site there are fw updates even for 850
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> evo or pro blackflow ?
[16:33] <blackflow> BOTH
[16:33] <blackflow> sorry, caps lock
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx for feedback blackflow
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> must have been added
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> well, if there are firmwares available: do them :p
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind there 'can' be datalost resulting to reformat
[16:34] <blackflow> yyyyyyyyyeah, not sure about that. if it ain't broken and all that, and so far I don't see anything broken.
[16:34] <tomreyn> i think this is only for old drives, newer ones were seold with newer firmware already. smartctl / hdparm would tell which firmware is running
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> depending on what the firmware holds of course
[16:34] <blackflow> reason I'm also not keen on doing BIOS updates either. got burnt in the past.
[16:35] <blackflow> tomreyn: indeed, good idea
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: but lets say we have a 850 pro, samsung gives out 10y warranty, if you dont do the firmware they could say its not under warranty perhaps
[16:36] <blackflow> I'm sure I'll be getting new drives one way or another in half that time :)
[16:36] <blackflow> I renew my computing infrastructure every 5 or so years
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> thats why i work with the 850 pro 10y warranty i like
[16:38] <blackflow> I'll probably hasten this cycle tho'. I'm currently on equipment from 2015, and I'm drooling for some ryzen2 goodness later this year or early next year.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> didnt get dataloss or breakage neither on them
[16:38] <tomreyn> unfortunately samsung ssd's also dont do TRIM properly https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/e64f638483a21105c7ce330d543fa1f1c35b5bc7/drivers/ata/libata-core.c
[16:39] <tomreyn> well not queued TRIM anyways. they just doint support it, but claim that they do.
[16:39] <tomreyn> which is whys there's this blacklist in libata
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> but xenial and up autotrims already right?
[16:40] <tomreyn> yes, there are queued trim and another method. queued would be better if it worked, but the other method (i forgot the name) still works.
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> aha
[16:40] <tomreyn> its just bad for hardware / firmware to claim they support features and when you try to use them they fall flat on their face.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> tru that
[16:42] <tomreyn> and others, microns, i think, or some of them, actually do queued trim fine
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> ill have a look later on the new firmwares
[17:02] <sonicwind> I gotta read this discussion later... I'm actually in the market for an SSD and am considering both Micron/Crucial and Samsung
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> im fan of the 850 pro's :p
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> but what tomreyn stated is true
[17:03] <sonicwind> I have an 840 in this used laptop I just got and can't say i'm terribly impressed with it, although i think most of that is Ubuntu... haven't had time to work on that
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: evo?
[17:03] <sonicwind> yeah I think... not pro I don't think
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: they i presume you didnt firmware it?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> *so
[17:04] <sonicwind> mostly whatever all my friend did to it before he handed it over to me... he works in IT
[17:05] <sonicwind> I know much of it is ubuntu, from having done systemd-blame analyze and such... it sits around for 10 seconds just looking for btrfs partitions
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> you can check firmware the way tomreyn suggested above
[17:05] <sonicwind> unfortunately my friend put encryption lvm and uefi on it even though I asked him not to lol...
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> and btrfs isnt the most stable neither :p
[17:07] <sonicwind> I'm eventually going to put plain ext4 and mbr on it, no encryption
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah try that sonicwind
[17:07] <sonicwind> learning curve these past 2 1/2 years has been so crazy fast, I feel sometimes like I'm forgetting as much as I'm learning
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah recall stuff is harder when you grow older :p
[17:08] <sonicwind> so, have enough to remember now without tackling uefi encryption and lvm
[17:08] <sonicwind> yeah I just turned 49
[17:08] <sonicwind> yesterday
[17:08] <sonicwind> plus, seems like there are more problems on ubuntuforums with encryption and lvm than anything else
[17:08] <tomreyn> "sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | head" should tell the firmware
[17:09] <sonicwind> Firmware Revision:  DXT0AB0Q
[17:10] <sonicwind> samsung ssd 840 series
[17:11] <sonicwind> I do have over 50 pages of notes from that 2 1/2 years though, that I'm constantly revising. It's been a great help. My own manual so to speak. Once I know I have certain stuff down, I can get rid of it.
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: compare your firmware with the one on samsungs site(for your model)
[17:12] <sonicwind> I'll eventually get an encryption, lvm and uefi section to it but not now... I have some basic uefi stuff in it already.
[17:14] <sonicwind> I only see firmware for windows and mac users
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> its non Os related, it just has to be loaded on an usb, then get to your ssd
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> i think i did it with the site frop plop boot manager, to get it on stick
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> from
[17:16] <sonicwind> * Notice: ISO files may be used only via DOS using a bootable CD/DVD.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah it means you need to boot your made usb, at F12 boot, then let do its job to firmware it
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> this is before ubuntu loading right
[17:18] <sonicwind> right, gotcha
[17:19] <sonicwind> ISO DXT09B0Q ... yep, guess its oudated
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah this will be big performance fix
[17:19] <sonicwind> think I'll just deal with it... another thing for me to mess up
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> if you succesfully burn to usb, nothing can go wrong
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> not sure how i did it exactly anymore
[17:20] <sonicwind> will make a note of it and wait for a day I feel ambitious
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> with a tool from here
[17:21] <sonicwind> truth be told, I got all the time in the world to wait for stuff to happen... just want it to work... low expectations.. I'd be happy with 5 minute boot time. I wake up , turn it on and go get breakfast.
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> i dont lol, when i buy an ssd it has to be TURBO!
[17:22] <sonicwind> as it is, my boot time on this laptop with the SSD now is about 46 seconds... at least 20 of that appears to be wasted, but haven't had time to work on it
[17:23] <sonicwind> and 46 seconds isn't any faster than my other sytem with docked external HD I run Ubuntu off of
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> your new purpose in life, 840 performance bug fix :p
[17:23] <sonicwind> actually, the ext HD has booted as fast as 38 seconds or so
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> neat
[17:24] <sonicwind> seemed to get slower after the meltdown/spectre fixes
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah whole world is turning slower now :p
[17:25] <sonicwind> since that started, I still haven't heard of any actual issues in the wild with them... that weren't from someone testing
[17:31] <sonicwind> still amazes me how much you guys offer here... lotuspsychje, tomreyn, oerheks among others
[17:31] <sonicwind> help
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> we share & learn sonicwind
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> togheter as a team we can do alot, co-operate
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> we also learn from issues
[17:34] <sonicwind> Do any of you also work with linux in your day job?
[17:34]  * blackflow raises hand.
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> im running an ubuntu business with barebone laptops and ssd's LTS
[17:35] <sonicwind> nice
[17:35] <sonicwind> usually running a business requires as much time as you spend here lol
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> alot of volunteers are working in IT
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> but others also have years ubuntu experience
[17:36] <sonicwind> yeah
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> we dont judge :p
[17:36] <sonicwind> I started with 14.04 LTS late in the going... lots of change with ubuntu since then, just in that short time
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> we are legion
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> oops
[18:15] <sonicwind> ok, caught up on that earlier discussion... I think maybe NCQ is the other type of TRIM tomreyn was referring to.
[18:16] <tomreyn> sonicwind: yes i think so, thanks ;)
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> man this zexaron can talk some branches oO
[18:57] <tomreyn> :)
[19:00] <tomreyn> there's a reason why i asked him to put the whole story on etherpad or pastebin
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> jeez he can turn around the corner lol
[19:01] <tomreyn> he wouldnt do it, though, and i'm not willing to try to understand the way they present it on the chat
[19:01] <tomreyn> !next
[19:05] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: they are just not in a very good mental state at this time, which makes it hard to work with them. i'm not sure you saw this: <Zexaron> Yeah trying to get what other people think, sorry I have a ... i'm not able to explain so good the events of past 2 weeks coherent, i've been to hospital in the middle, doing much better now but I'm not that energetic etc
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: ignore is like an austrich stick head in the sand :p
[19:16] <tomreyn> i think todays' #ubuntu chat can't get much worse, so things can only get better now.
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> that promises for 26 tomreyn
[19:17] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: 26?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> .1 release
[19:17] <tomreyn> oh right
[19:18] <tomreyn> well, its mostly about the people and their behaviours and abilities (the latter is okay, but can be daunting, too)
[19:19] <sonicwind> it looks like yates left, but he could have installed net-tools to get ifconfig back
[19:20] <tomreyn> yes, but it semed like he should read the release notes first of all.
[19:20] <sonicwind> :-)
[19:20] <tomreyn> s/he/they/
[19:20] <pauljw> no it's not, lotuspsychje.  it keeps my blood pressure under control and prevents me from telling exactly what i think of his whiney attitude.  he should just go back to Windows where he came from.
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> ventilate agression to unaware trolls...hmm thats an idea pauljw :p
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> i might finally get rid of my years built frustrations
[19:25] <oerheks> welcome to weekend support .. gna gna
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> haha
[19:26] <ducasse> until we have a way to remotely whack them over the head with a rolled-up newspaper. /ignore is a good tool
[19:26] <pauljw> life's too short to put up with the likes of some of these people.
[19:26] <ducasse> s/./,/
[19:26] <pauljw> :)
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> and when your heads in the sand, you hearing the sound of your suffering volunteer friends
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> helpppp
[19:27]  * sonicwind can't wait to get whacked
[19:28] <pauljw> if you're still helping the likes of that one, you're on your own.
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:31] <pauljw> besides, i didn't notice him looking for help.  just complaining about something he has paid nothing for, to people he's paying nothing to.
[19:33] <ducasse> ...for project he's probably not contributing to
[19:33] <ducasse> *for a
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah its not fair canonical gets payed and we dont :p
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> where's my wonga's
[19:35] <sonicwind> you guys should get something for it...
[19:35] <sonicwind> stickers from the Canonical website or something haha
[19:35] <sonicwind> :-)
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: yes man! my bank number is 555-7867564-87
[19:35] <ducasse> pizza!
[19:36] <sonicwind> pizza
[19:36] <ducasse> :)
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> hmmm thats a new idea, ubuntu pizza's
[19:37] <pauljw> :)
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> with the round logo n all
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> you found a new hole in the market ducasse
[19:37] <ducasse> :)
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^ uses his mycroft to bake pizza's and bring them to him
[19:53] <sonicwind> cookie for tom
[19:53] <sonicwind> lol
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> we getting nice prices today :p
[19:53] <tomreyn> much better than a cookie!
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome oliver_swift
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> whats up on kdenlive oliver_swift ?
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> welcome CaCO3
[19:57] <oliver_swift> Just brought out an old camera to film a video and used kdenlive to edit, and I just wanted to hear if there were tips from anyone on using it? It'd be cool to start writing extensions for it but I don't know much about it. I heard it's written in python though!
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> never used myself here
[19:58] <oliver_swift> Or some portion in Python, I guess a video editor might be a bit slow if it were all in Python?
[19:58]  * tomreyn neither
[19:58] <EriC^> lotuspsychje: :D
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> :p EriC^
[19:58] <sonicwind> I use Avidemux for video editing lol
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> ttyl
[20:01] <sonicwind> nite
[20:10] <sonicwind> tom with the google-fu for another cookie :-)
[20:36] <tomreyn> hope i can make it work, wireless can be tough