 I raised on issue(enchancement)
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/788
 Is it illegal in any country?
[01:38] <ubptgbot> KeithColclough was added by: KeithColclough
 @advocatux, teach me formatting
 @advocatux, [Edit] teach me formatting senpai~
 ........what a name.......
 @strangerer, Paritally, yeah
 In different places in the United States, either one or both sides of the call must be informed that they are being recorded
 Also it appears that you didn't properly follow the issue template
 Do I need to fill anything
 It'd be nice, it seems like you combined the issue and feature request
 @strangerer, In Germany you should inform the participants, because it would be illegal to record them without them knowing it, if I am not mistaken.
 @Daniel, I have checked the italian situation, because I record calls. It's not illegal, but you cannot let anyone else listen the recording without all participants approval.
 But you don't have to inform that the call is being recorded
 Anyway, I would not be happy if I found out that someone records my calls without me knowing it... … No matter if it is legal or illegal.
 I understand. It's a difficult matter.
 As far as I understand, the rationale is that as long as the record is strictly personal is just as like a memory, and you can't be forced to forget phone conversations. But it misses the possible misuse of the audio files, that  is quite different from plain gossip about some call you had.
 Auto call recorder for UT … public poll … I want … ▫️ 0% … Don't want … ▫️ 0% … 👥 Nobody voted so far.
 But I would consider fair an obligation to inform the other party. The fact that it isn't required just spares me an annoying conversation starter 😂 BTW, everyone should know that their conversation are being recorded by someone. In Italy we have Amanda for that...
 Well, the last one was just my personal view. I am of the opinion that private things should stay private if possible. If I write a letter or an email, it is a very different Situation, because I am aware that letters or Mails are going to be archived. The fact that federal authorities may record calls is enoying by itself, but it do
[02:57] <ubptgbot> esn't justify that private persons do the same thing, in my opinion. … But besides that, I still think it would be illegal in Germany.
 You are right, it's illegal in Germany.
 I have checked and the European union is, as per usual, disunite on this matter 😂
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws
 It's legal in India, even the mobile manufacturers advertise this option
 @enriconia, This page relates to phone tapping not recording
 Also recording
[03:06] <ubptgbot> weixiehang was added by: weixiehang
 I don't understand why a privacy-focused OS should implement a feature which hurts my privacy. Of course, there will be people who build such Apps if it was not integrated. But I think the possibility to violate my private sphere should not be part of an OS which is made to prevent usage of OSes which collect data of the users.  … Bu
[03:07] <ubptgbot> t I have to work now. Have a nice day!
 Have a nice day you too
 In my opinion call recording is a useful feature. Think of shopping lists by phone or instructions of any kind. The privacy concern, though, is real. In my opinion, a fair compromise would be an app that records on demand and that plays a kind of warning "this conversation is being recorded" any time recording is switched on. Just
[03:14] <ubptgbot>  my two cents.
 Either way, @strangerer I see no need for a poll on the topic. It won't help the feature get implemented any faster. The best way to get it done is to contribute the code to do call recording.
 Wait, you're blatantly evading a ban.
 wait why
 That was aravind/king/unknown/Deleted Account
 He's used that name before
 @UniversalSuperBox, How do you know it's him
 I trust you, just curious
 @UniversalSuperBox, This, also the behavior is the same MO
 Demanding features and then pushing the topic a little too far
 Eventually it'd descend into upset with him defending and saying he just asked for a new feature and he's not a developer so it's our fault, etc etc. :/
 Also what is with all the spam on Telegram this weekend
 @UniversalSuperBox, it's interesting though, they don't post anything, they spam with their name
 There's been a lot of "young attractive girl, click link" spam too.
 More than usual
 @UniversalSuperBox, aren't you interested though
[04:14] <ubptgbot> Cosinas was added by: Cosinas
[04:50] <ubptgbot> Stranger was added by: Stranger
 @UniversalSuperBox, Iam Aravind/stranger/john
 I agree
 Iam not unknown account and deleted account
 oh no not again
 I contributed this os than any other
 bye weird guy
[04:52] <ubptgbot> Thunderkat was added by: Thunderkat
 Mother fucking bitch Dalton fucking Ivan fucker ur asshole community and good bye
 Well, that was uncalled for
 Has anyone had luck getting Spotify or Netflix to work on a Nexus 5?
 banned
 Thanks Ivan!
[05:13] <ubptgbot> PhilJeremy was added by: PhilJeremy
 The hell?
 banned
 deja vu
[05:52] <ubptgbot> ChristopherNewton was added by: ChristopherNewton
 Damn that spam tho :O
 @geotechland, This
 banned
 could someone change the subject?
 Uhh, how is camera app for nexus 5 coming along?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1zE300xt.pdf
 @eskiy4, what is that
 should i just ban you?
 @vanyasem, hunting malware document
 how is that related
 to this chat
 okay, deleted
[06:48] <ubptgbot> mucangjie80 was added by: mucangjie80
 I would suggest to use an antishitstorm bot, like @AntishitstormBot.
 Banned
 @garrogarri, Won't cheap Russian kids do?
[07:51] <ubptgbot> laokuifei was added by: laokuifei
 banned.
 Ivan, thx for your tutorial about setting Nextcloud wtih UT
 you're welcome
 you can ping me if you get stuck while following it
 Changed the channel from rc to dev on fp2 and now legacy apps are shown in the scope
 Also the scrolling seems to bi fixed
 And some wifi bugs
 Cool 🐧
 @popescu_sorin, Hi, Popescu, some short video? pls, pls, pls 😁
 When I try to import the photos taken with my ubports device using the Shotwell integrated feature, I get this
 @Photojoe4, Devs are working in a plugin system for the browser, so I think we're closer to have Netflix and the like in UT
 (Photo, 457x154) https://irc.ubports.com/0Pmgk04t.png
 (Photo, 457x154) https://irc.ubports.com/tZ5RvznO.png When I try to import the photos taken with my ubports device using the Shotwell integrated feature, I get this
 @garrogarri, If I select "Import from folder" with the option to copy the imported photos, it works
 @garrogarri, [Edit] If I select "Import from folder" with the option to copy the imported photos, it works.
 @Fuseteam https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#formatting-options :)
 ooooh
 (Photo, 332x174) https://irc.ubports.com/hZsnKnHL.png @Fuseteam EDIT: this is more useful than the former link, to help with text formatting :)
 Any news of anbox progress ?
 @NS1647, No
 @geotechland, I think nothing new: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/611
 @popescu_sorin, That does look a lot better. Wooh!
[12:10] <ubptgbot> caichuoqiang was added by: caichuoqiang
[12:41] <ubptgbot> Antishitstorm14Bot was added by: vanyasem
[12:42] <ubptgbot> cizhunpai was added by: cizhunpai
 Omg that trusty bot lol
 @vanyasem, btw if anyone is willing to write a proper regex rule for the names, you're welcome
 i'm just too lazy
 Does it ban and then delete the message?
 yes
 They don't send messages
 Okay
 neat, isn't it?
 crap
[13:06] <ubptgbot> * mariogrip dont press blue buttons :P
 😂
 @mariogrip, Lol
 I'm reading the log of deleted messages
 I saw you! :P
 lol
 @vanyasem, the ones about our mothers?
 What
 The ones where marius clicked on the blue button
 didn't Leo/Aravind say some unkind things about mothers?
 He called me a motherfucker
 One day we will all wake up and find that bot has had enough and banned each and everyone of us 😀
 (Photo, 309x40) https://irc.ubports.com/VdOjHnQn.png THIS IS SPARTA!
 lol :P
 Wow
[13:17] <ubptgbot> Alexandra Alfred was added by: Alexandra Alfred
 @advocatux, **oh**___my__
 hmmm
 @advocatux, [Edit] oh my
 aha!
 :)
 @NS1647, it works on sse4 cpu's as far as i heard
 @Fuseteam, i guess that's not helpful on a phone
 that's true 😂
 then again on phone its arm....
 @Daniel, The OS can't prvent the other end from recording your call. Proving you choices doesn't negate the privacy of the OS. If it was a service where recordings of your calls were all stored in the cloud, that'd be another thing though.
 and well, i think the focus is more on freedom and choice, than on privacy
 @dohbee, what's the difference between pro 5 and other phone on that front?
 @Fuseteam, the SoC
 yeah i think so too
 the SoC is what allows pro 5 to support anbox?
 It's not Qualcomm, basically. Mir and the Android drivers and the simulated android drivers seem to have some trouble negotiating a color space
 At least that's what Marius tells me
 that
 @dohbee, Of course OS can't prevent other side from recording. But I don't see why it should be implemented on the OS itself, as it is very easy to compromise privacy. As I said this morning: I am totally aware that there are easy ways to circumvent this.
 @Daniel, having the feature doesn't change the amount of privacy of the OS, or how hard it is to compromise that privacy
 rather, not providing the feature likely makes it easier for privacy to be compromised, by requiring people to do complicated other things in order to do what they want
 eh? is that the case on all ut devices?
 but really, it's not a trivial thing to implement, so not a big thing to worry about at the moment
 Honestly if someone contributed it I'd probably argue for its merge. The person who proposed it is just being a jerk and that's why they're removed from the community.
 @Fuseteam, is which the case?
 the color space  negotiation problem or is that a whole other can?
 and well, recorded phone calls are proving to be something very valuable in the preservation of democracy…
 @Fuseteam, it's the case for qualcomm devices as i understand
 pro 5 is Exynos, and bq devices are MTK
 i don't recall what fp2 is
 ah that's why only pro5 is supported
 opo and nexus devices are qualcomm
 well and anbox isn't a priority blocker for ota4
 yeah
 so more important things have been getting more time
 just curious
 @dohbee, Good point. But dangerous if democracy is gone...
 sure. it's just something that is constantly being asked, and asking more doesn't change the status :)
 oh my
 btw do you guys think we could use kde-connect(like function) in the os?
 it might be possible. iirc there was someone looking into it, but i don't know what became of that
 hmm
 Moto g3. Halium-boot created without any errors. But boot failed.
[14:49] <ubptgbot> Dsteve was added by: Dsteve
 @Akhilas, you may wish to join @halium
 @Dsteve, Hi Raúl, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed … There are language focus groups available too
 @dohbee, I'm already joined
 @advocatux, Thanks😀
 👍
 @Akhilas, please direct questions about halium there then please :)
 @dohbee, Okay
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[15:32] <jaydemir> any Nexus 5 users here? I recently installed touch 15.04 via the ubports tool. Occasionally when I boot the phone it doesn't go past the google logo unless I reboot it. Is that normal?
 jaydemir it never happened to me with your same phone...
 @dohbee, Qualcomm Snapdragon 801
[15:36] <jaydemir> fair enough. I just want to make sure I'm not seeing anything that could indicate bigger problems
 Jaydemir, that is strange. I'm using a Nexus 5 on 16.04rc and have not had that problem.
[15:37] <jaydemir> It's intermittent and usually if I force shut down on the google screen and turn it back on it boots right up
[15:38] <jaydemir> my only other problem is once in a while certain buttons or switches in various apps on the UI are unresponsive to touch
 Which apps?
 Is it possible to run regular snap apps (targeted armhf/arm64) in touch devices?
[15:40] <jaydemir> I didn't have very much installed. I know one case where I was using flas (internet radio), I played a podcast in another app, which halted the audio from the radio app (as it should). However when I went back to resume the radio the play button wouldnt work until I quit the app and went back in
[15:40] <jaydemir> another time it was the wifi switch in the notification drop down
[15:40] <jaydemir> a reboot fixed that
 I have had a problem with the wifi not working after I've switched the hot spot on and off, but it worked after a reboot
 @jaydemir, I have a N5 with 15.04 and that never happened to me so far
[15:46] <jaydemir> maybe I'm dealing with a bad flash then?
 I think so. That or something wrong with your N5 hardware
 I'm using mine for close to a year now
 Could be. You could always flash it again and see if it fixes the issues, just uncheck "wipe" if you have any data on the phone you want to preserve
 And make sure you're using the current installer
[15:52] <jaydemir> am I booting into recovery for this? and using UBports installer on the PC?
 @Vdragon, No
[15:54] <jaydemir> ok it seems to be going. I forgot to run the installer as sudo (for some reason I had to do that the first time). Could that be an issue?
[15:56] <jaydemir> well it seems to be moving now anyway. Hopefully this runs better. Is there a gesture typing project in the works?
[16:12] <jaydemir> reflash might have done the trick. Flas issue still happens but other audio apps dont have the same problem. Otherwise things actually feel a bit more fluid now
[16:14] <jaydemir> does ubuntu touch run Java apps similar to the way Android does or is it completely different?
 @jaydemir, I doubt that Java apps don't exist in ubuntu touch (as of now)
 @jaydemir, the default toolkit/platform is qml/js (and c++ if necessary)
[16:18] <jaydemir> qml being the displayed stuff?
[16:19] <jaydemir> I'm a noob developer working on an android app via android studio. I was going to use it for personal use as well but I'm actually getting tired of Android
[16:19] <jaydemir> there wouldn't be a similar environment for Ubuntu touch development would there?
 @jaydemir, qml is the markup language for doing UI layout, yes
 the old ubuntu sdk based on qtcreator might still be usable, but it's no longer maintained, and an equivalent replacement hasn't been created yet
[16:20] <jaydemir> so if I can make a webapp with some html/css/js then I should be able to make an app for the device
 there's also the possibility to use cordova i think, but the plug-in to target ubuntu on phones is no longer maintained there either, iirc
 unfortunately not a great time for app dev to target UT, if you need visual layout and such :-/
[16:23] <jaydemir> I see. So the only folks making the apps are the ones who've already got all the tools and experience
 but there's a "clickable" plug-in for atom (and someone was working on a similar one for vs code iirc), which will at least get you a project template and the ability to easily build a package
[16:24] <jaydemir> would the package work similar to a deb or apk?
 but you'll need to edit code to do layout and hook up the back-end and everything. no drag and drop widgets
 yes, click packages are based on the same underlying tools as debs, but function more like an apk
 as apps are confined
[16:25] <jaydemir> drag and drop is nice but I've been able to use a bit of XML to get elements where I wanted them, at least in android
 there's also plenty of open source code you can look at from the system or other apps, and the qml components are pretty well documented
[16:32] <jaydemir> very true. I'll have to look into that.
[16:32] <jaydemir> is there an email client similar to something like thunderbird?
 there's dekko2 in the works
[16:37] <jaydemir> nice. I also discovered a new definition for irony: Skype works on Ubuntu touch but won't work on Windows phone 8.1
 i'm guessing the windows phone app is old and using the deprecated skype api
 while using it on UT is the new web stuff
 @milkor73, here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zzk4CvBaTk
[16:39] <jaydemir> it all makes sense but I just got a giggle out of it
 openTTD yay
 @dohbee, Or if you work in the IT field and have a "they said, you said" fight.
 @popescu_sorin, Awesome. I still can't see apps I've installed on my scope but nice to see progress!
 yep, but i think in the future the apps will show in the apps scope
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/782
 @AlexanderPlaza, if you are in rc channel you will see that update and the fluid scrolling momentum back on wednesday update
 @malditobastardo, Awesome! 😃
 @malditobastardo, the scroll momentum is also fixed for the pro5 on the devel channel 😀 good job guys, really! this OS is becaming more and more exciting day by day
 I'm about to test the libertine feature right now but it's already amazing what I can see from the @popescu_sorin video
 @popescu_sorin, 😘
 @popescu_sorin, oooh looking good
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/unity8-a-project-that-uses-mir/7188
 @mattbel10, It's weird, the libertine container creation seems stuck in a never ending loop.....any hint?
 it takes a while
 i think i've waited half an hour or so
 oh yes you are right @popescu_sorin thank you...It seems if finished the process just now after nearly 40 minutes 😱
 but I see it is still quite broken to install a package directly from within the Libertine app in System Settings. I guess I have to proceed from the terminal
 @mattbel10, No, the GUI works but you need to press the Enter key, not the OK button
[18:08] <ubptgbot> JonTheNiceGuy was added by: JonTheNiceGuy
 @mattbel10 also if you press on the cogwheel and then info... you'll get feedback about what's happening :)
 @JonTheNiceGuy, Hi Jon, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started !!
 @advocatux, but I'm trying to select a package from the generated list after pressing the "Search archives for a package" and I'm not succeeding by flagging the selecteg package...meybe it's just me I would infer.....
 @advocatux, [Edit] but I'm trying to select a package from the generated list after pressing the "Search archives for a package" and I'm not succeeding by flagging the selecteg package...maybe it's just me I would infer.....
 @mattbel10, You need to go back to the previous screen and press "install package from..."
 @mattbel10, it's not just you :D you can't install a from search
 @advocatux, yes yes, this feature I found out, thanks anyway
 @mattbel10, [Edit] it's not just you :D you can't install from search
 👍
 @popescu_sorin, oooh so how should I proceed? Which is the most recommended path to follow in order to install a package?
 @advocatux, [Edit] but I'm trying to select a package from the generated list after pressing the "Search archives for a package" and I'm not succeeding by flagging the selected package...maybe it's just me I would infer.....
 @mattbel10, Click on "Enter package name or Debian file"
[18:13] <jaydemir> running a Nexus 5, I took some video on the camera app and the playback is very discolored. It DOES play properly when transferred to my PC. Is there an easy fix for this?
 No, the video decoder won't correctly get its color space. Unfortunately I'm on the run and can't look up the bug for you, but it is on github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch
 @jaydemir, It's a well-known bug, you can use UT Media app to watch the video on your phone though
 With how much frustration in that bug Marius has confided in me, I don't think that's an easy fix
 ;)
[18:15] <jaydemir> ok good to know
 @jaydemir, This is the bug report https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/7
[18:16] <jaydemir> UTmedia did the trick
[18:16] <jaydemir> although I'm curious as to why it cant simply be baked into the default media player
 :)
 See the bug report
[18:16] <jaydemir> but I don't touch this stuff personally so
 @jaydemir, utmedia isn't using the default media backend, which uses the hardware. instead it's playing in software
[18:17] <jaydemir> so it
 @advocatux, it works! I can see my app in the "Desktop Apps" scope hurray! Thanks @advocatux and @popescu_sorin
 \o/
 so the playback is more costly in terms of battery and cpu usage
[18:17] <jaydemir> its making the hardware working harder basically?
[18:17] <jaydemir> got it
[18:18] <jaydemir> If I throw a bucket of multi color paint on the subject I'm recording, will it look normal on playback?
 no
[18:18] <jaydemir> no trip to home depot then
 It depends on the LSD module
 😋
[18:20] <jaydemir> trippy
[18:23] <jaydemir> anyone use the Hangups google hangouts client?
 @jaydemir, That app is looking for a maintainer currently https://github.com/timsueberkrueb/ubuntu-hangups/issues/70
 is it even possible for it to work still?
 I don't know
[18:28] <jaydemir> Instant messaging is such a mess now
[18:28] <jaydemir> it was so much easier back when everyone just used AIM
 It's better to chat about it in the OT group https://t.me/ubports_ot
[18:49] <ubptgbot> tuhanhuai6 was added by: tuhanhuai6
 oh my we so need matrix(discord) server 😆
 there is matrix already
 @Fuseteam, #ubports:matrix.org
 clicks
 yeah uhh i haven't figured it out yet
 @popescu_sorin, thx a lot
 @Fuseteam, What matrix client are you using?
 completely new at this point with matrix
 You have uMatriks (fine) and Fluffychat (better for my taste now) apps for UT
 i also still need to set up my UT phone orz
 @Fuseteam, Do you have a matrix account already? If not, probably the easier way it's to go to https://riot.im/app/#/home and create an account
 i think i have one now 💭
 That's the first step :)
 was bit afraid when it said "username already taken"
 but then it quickly changed its mind 😂
 These are uMatriks #uMatriks:matrix.org and Fluffychat #fluffychat:matrix.org rooms
 oh my
 i don't see the word "ubports" in there tho
 @advocatux, That's a weird user experience. I think we should look to change the explanatory text a bit. I must have a think about this.
 @padraic7a, Yes, of course, but that app is pretty broken now and I'm just explaining some workarounds
[20:54] <ubptgbot> GustaveJonah was added by: GustaveJonah
 Anyone here using Nextcloud?
 @ignorare, I am
 @AlexanderPlaza, Thanks! I get some trouble when installing Nextcloud Server on my webhosting.
 To install it, I just have to open cloud.server.com, right?
 Then the wizard will appear normally...
 In my case I always receive this error: The server was unable to complete your request.
 Maybe a permissions problem?
 I am the owner of all nextcloud-files, is that a problem maybe?
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