[14:23] <slipttees> Hi guys
[14:24] <slipttees> Window Border config help
[14:24] <slipttees> i cant change window border
[16:24] <holywater> .
[17:52] <ca-on-adam> wxl: yeah, that happens.  For me it will be the 'ls' command usually.
[17:56] <wxl> ca-on-adam: \
[17:56] <wxl> 1056 Aliases:
[17:56] <wxl> 1056 ls         names
[18:01] <ca-on-adam> Perhaps this message should be rigged when you type 'ssh': https://pastebin.com/imJY0ShP
[18:02] <wxl> XD
[18:03] <wxl> hey at least i have my .ssh/config set up appropriately so i didn't give much away
[18:06] <ca-on-adam> Nice.  I tend to just write a one-liner script for servers that I frequent often.  I know there are better ways, and I'll get there eventually.
[18:09] <wxl> weird
[18:09] <wxl> yeah .ssh/config is your friend
[19:18] <cooloutac> hello all,  how do I mount an mp3 player.   Its not showing up in file manager.  I have a basic drag and drop one.
[19:18] <ca-on-adam> hi cooloutac
[19:18] <cooloutac> hello
[19:19] <cooloutac> I got a sansa player.   usually I just plug it in any os and can transfer files in file manager.
[19:19] <cooloutac> doesn't show up in lubuntu. what do I need to do any ideas?
[19:19] <ca-on-adam> I'm a lubuntu user also.  The main issue I have had with my mp3 player is the "battery charging" screen seems to prevent the "connecting to PC" feature from working/displaying.
[19:19] <cooloutac> ya its only charging.  but not mounting.
[19:20] <ca-on-adam> I never figured out the exact recipe, but to get that "Battery charging" screen to yield to the pc connecting screen, I have tried turning the player on/off while connected to USB, or unplugging and replugging the USB cable to "startle" the player.
[19:21] <ca-on-adam> if you have a USB flash drive, I'd also do a quick check to make sure the USB port has not randomly died (I have little trust in my old hardware)
[19:25] <ca-on-adam> ...any luck?
[19:25] <cooloutac> no luck
[19:26] <cooloutac> I must be missing some package or something
[19:26] <cooloutac> itnormally works in linux
[19:26] <cooloutac> lubuntu must be missing something
[19:27] <cooloutac> oh god this is disappointing
[19:27] <ca-on-adam> if you run "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" you can watch to see if the kernel says anything when you plug in the device.  Won't matter if there's a driver missing.
[19:29] <cooloutac> nothing happens.  it just charges and computerdoesn't even detectit
[19:30] <cooloutac> let me try a diff usb plug maybe
[19:30] <wxl> does it show up in `lsusb?`
[19:30] <wxl> if so, what's the device ID?
[19:31] <cooloutac> it was the plug
[19:31] <cooloutac> lol thought i was losing my mind
[19:32] <cooloutac> now to get some music!!!
[19:33] <wxl> i suggest the new deafheaven, but i recognize that's not everyone's cup of tea
[19:33] <cooloutac> wxl: lol i'm into underground hip hop.   definitely not eeryones cup of tea lmao
[19:34] <wxl> cooloutac: haven't listened to the new busdriver..
[19:34] <cooloutac> i'm sure its not like any rap you ever heard though  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slWOre66mrQ
[19:34] <cooloutac> oh i know busdriver.  haven't heard the newone no.  but he is good.
[19:34] <cooloutac> I'm waiting for a group to come out with their first album called silk roadgunmen.
[19:35] <cooloutac> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQjrSl1TuE
[19:35] <cooloutac> I'm gonna have to send money to greece for that one hahaha
[19:35] <cooloutac> its too good.
[19:35] <cooloutac> notice the first line.
[19:35] <cooloutac> nervous linux sphere
[19:36] <cooloutac> i remote view the nervous linux sphere
[19:36] <cooloutac> hehe
[19:36] <cooloutac> i'm from NYC btw.
[19:36] <wxl> https://busdriver-thumbs.bandcamp.com/album/electricity-is-on-our-side-2
[19:36] <cooloutac> i'm in my late 30s.   These kids at the heart of soul of this shit,  trustme.
[19:36] <cooloutac> tks
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[19:36] <wxl> speaking of kids, let's keep the language friendly to them :)
[19:37] <cooloutac> sorry
[19:37] <cooloutac> the lyrics are friendly btw.
[19:37] <cooloutac> I grew up on bobbito and nyc underground in the mid to late 90s.   shout outs to the kids overseas for keeping my hip hop alive.
[19:37] <ca-on-adam> cooloutac: do you have a Y-USB plug by any chance :P
[19:38] <cooloutac> not sure what that is.
[19:38] <cooloutac> i noticed usb plugs have alot of problems though.
[19:38] <cooloutac> when they start going weird issues happens.
[19:38] <cooloutac> likenot being able to charge,  or not being able to transfer files.  I should of known better.
[19:38] <cooloutac> some also can't handle certain loads.   dunno.
[19:38] <cooloutac> they def not all the same I've learned.
[19:39] <ca-on-adam> Y-USB is for hungry external hard drives, it has one plug for power+data, and a second plug to draw extra power from a second port.
[19:39] <ca-on-adam> The second plug, doesn't allow much data to flow!
[19:40] <cooloutac> hmm
[19:40] <cooloutac> dunno what it was but I switched from this little one,  to this big long fast charging smartphone one.
[19:42] <ca-on-adam> This is a Y-cable https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Xip6MLFuL._SX569_.jpg
[19:42] <cooloutac> haha  this must be the producer from greece.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyN9WQ6nMUc
[19:43] <cooloutac> oh shit hes older then me.
[19:43] <cooloutac> ya i'm buying this tape from them,  I have to.  or God won't forgive me.
[19:43] <cooloutac> i'm sorry for the language.  ugh.
[19:43] <ca-on-adam> You only plug 1 end in, you get a 50% chance of it working.  I use a spare Y-cable with a drive that never needs both plugs at once, so I have learned the hard way about that.
[19:43] <cooloutac> ca-on-adam  i bet thats my problem sometimes.
[19:44] <ca-on-adam> Well if you have a Y cable, yeah maybe!
[19:44] <cooloutac> oh wait they faked the date.
[19:46]  * ca-on-adam joins #lubuntu-offtopic to keep the lurking mods happy
[19:46] <cooloutac> ok
[20:01] <cooloutac> ah dam I installed nautlius but it aint loading.  ugh.
[20:02] <cooloutac> oh it just took a while
[20:07] <cooloutac> ca-on-adam: I still can't mount it, ugh.
[20:07] <cooloutac> it showsup in dmesg now as sdb device
[20:08] <cooloutac> but I can't even manually mount it. i must be doing something wrong.
[20:11] <cooloutac> ugh maybe I should have installed fedora lxde lmao
[20:37] <cooloutac> ya it doesn't work :(
[20:37] <cooloutac> worked for a second
[20:38] <cooloutac> maybe I don't have the right wire.   which sucks.
[20:38] <cooloutac> this one might be too long the one I use at home is a short one.
[20:38] <cooloutac> this probably has the righ tpower for data but is too long.  I dunno whats goingon.
[20:40] <cooloutac> hmm now i'm playing a song off the mp3 player.  but its write protectedand I can'tcopy anything to it....
[20:40] <cooloutac> lol
[20:40] <ca-on-adam> too many variables... I still recommend trying out a USB something-or-other that definitely works, like a USB mouse, and see if the port is loose, like try wiggling the connector, and then go back to figuring out which of your cables is bad.
[20:40] <cooloutac> ah and now its gone.
[20:40] <cooloutac> nah its the wire man
[20:40] <cooloutac> I know themp3 player is sensitive to certain wires.
[20:40] <cooloutac> and I don't have the one i normally use.
[20:41] <cooloutac> which sucks
[20:41] <ca-on-adam> I would assume then the shorter the wire the better.
[20:41] <cooloutac> ya
[20:41] <cooloutac> but the short wire I got now is only charging
[20:41] <cooloutac> and the one doesn't work at all on any device.
[20:41] <ca-on-adam> maybe check for dust/debris in the player's usb port.
[20:41] <cooloutac> Ithink they just make these wires like crap and I might have to buy a new one,  thats  not 10 feet long haha
[20:42] <ca-on-adam> You know, I didn't think it was related, but my Hipstreet player went dead last week.  And the cable is still fine.
[20:43] <cooloutac> well the port isn't loose on the device
[20:43] <ca-on-adam> Given all the devices I have used, I'd say 9 of 10 problems were the device, not the cable.  Only 1 time did a cable cause me grief.
[20:43] <cooloutac> well with this device certain cables have given me problem.   I have the opposite experience.  the cables get messed up allthe time on me.
[20:43] <cooloutac> if its the device.  its usually cause the port on the device breaks or gets too lose.
[20:45] <ca-on-adam> Also, somewhere I believe there is a compliance rule that says USB data cables are not supposed to be more then X feet long.
[20:45] <cooloutac> ya I'm jiggling the wire at the computer port side.   and its going on and off.
[20:45] <cooloutac> dammit
[20:45] <cooloutac> ya the shorter the wire usually the better.
[20:45] <cooloutac> I only found that out cause of this dam mp3 player.
[20:45] <cooloutac> although for ethernet wire was always he case too.
[20:45] <ca-on-adam> I know one case where somebody chained up a total of 20 feet of USB (laziest sneakernet ever) and that was a massive intermittent fail headache.
[20:45] <cooloutac> I once had an ethernet wire so long it didn't do 100mbs lol
[20:45] <cooloutac> I had to lower it or getno connection.
[20:46] <cooloutac> ya. shorter is better
[20:46] <cooloutac> probably less chance for wire to get messed up too
[20:46] <cooloutac> this blows I have no oher cables
[20:46] <cooloutac> one i just realized i have to throw out cause it doesn't charge any device lol
[20:46] <ca-on-adam> ok so you have a USB port problem, you say?  Can you try another port that might be more secure?
[20:47] <cooloutac> ya tried both ports
[20:47] <ca-on-adam> secure=resistant to wiggle-wiggle
[20:47] <cooloutac> I think its the fact my mp3 player is very sensitive to the wire.   andthe wire i have sucks.
[20:47] <cooloutac> I have had same problem on windows with certain wires and this dam thing.
[20:47] <cooloutac> it will mount for a minute.   then lose connection.
[20:48] <cooloutac> pretty sure I just need the proper wire for it.
[20:48] <ca-on-adam> if you love the player, maybe it would be worth getting a really, really short USB cable for it.
[20:48] <cooloutac> ya thats what I use at home
[20:48] <cooloutac> but i left it at home lol
[20:48] <cooloutac> I got this one thats at least 8 feet long righ tnow haha
[20:48] <cooloutac> I think its 10
[20:49] <ca-on-adam> Also, a Q-tip to the USB contacts while the PC is off might help the connection a tiny bit.
[20:49] <cooloutac> i'll try
[20:49] <ca-on-adam> I have a USB port on the back of my desktop that is just awful for connections.  I taped a diagram to the PC so I never use it.  If I was still in warranty I'd return the motherboard.
[20:52] <cooloutac> ya dam only other cable that works only charges.
[20:52] <cooloutac> it doesn't evenshow  the charging screen or transfer screen.
[20:52] <cooloutac> so this one has no data cable in it I guess.
[20:52] <cooloutac> only good for charging.
[20:52] <ca-on-adam> The USB 1.1 standard specifies that a standard cable can have a maximum length of 5 meters (16 ft 5 in) -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Cabling
[20:52] <cooloutac> andtheone I have for smartphone  I think is too long for this sensitive mp3 player.
[20:53] <cooloutac> ya but probably more chance forit to kink
[20:53] <ca-on-adam> But that is way too long in my experience.  I would get wary of cables longer than 6 feet, especially if you have a cranky mp3 player.
[20:53] <cooloutac> ya
[20:55] <cooloutac> man this sucks
[20:57] <cooloutac> ok i'm going to try to get itmounted   and put it on a table trying not to move it lol
[20:59] <cooloutac> nah its not working.
[21:00] <cooloutac> its like you said.  once charging pops on the screen its like itsnot there anymore
[21:00] <cooloutac> wtf
[21:00] <cooloutac> i;m blaiming ubuntu again now
[21:03] <cooloutac> but its probably the dam wire and my finnicky mp3
[21:03] <cooloutac> oh well
[21:07] <cooloutac> well I was able to copy stuff off thedam thing justnow.
[21:07] <cooloutac> I think the problem is when accessing the sd card on it maybe.
[21:07] <ca-on-adam> As far as I know, if there is a record in the log of a USB disconnect, the kernel isn't doing that.
[21:07] <cooloutac> hmm i just copied a bunch of songs off theinterneal drive.
[21:07] <cooloutac> but when I go to put somethinig on the usb it all disappears
[21:08] <cooloutac> i mean the sdcard
[21:08] <ca-on-adam> The driver may not be there or may be buggy, but that would only be a kernel problem if the device stays connected reliably but is not accessible.
[21:08] <cooloutac> i think i just got lucky.  maybe its leass power copying off the internal drive.  thenwriting to the sdcard
[21:08] <wxl> you should really lsusb and search the pci id and see if there are any giveaways there
[21:08] <cooloutac> wxl.  doesn't always show up.
[21:08] <cooloutac> loose wire.
[21:08] <cooloutac> or bad connection
[21:08] <wxl> just keep watching lsusb until it does
[21:09] <ca-on-adam> Well luck is all you'll get if there's too many unknowns - loose port, several USB cables with known problems, etc
[21:09] <wxl> as long as it's connected in some way, regardless of whether or not it provides access to the file system, it will show up in lsusb
[21:10] <cooloutac> was listed there,  until i tried to write to the sdcard card again.  then it disappeared
[21:10] <cooloutac> seems accessing the sdcard is more finicky thenthe interal storage on it.
[21:11] <cooloutac> its the wire
[21:11] <cooloutac> plus the sensitive mp3. i'e had trouble inthe past.
[21:12] <ca-on-adam> How difficult is it to retrieve your best cable?  It's somewhere else?
[21:13] <cooloutac> ya
[21:13] <cooloutac> in another state
[21:13] <cooloutac> dam
[21:13] <cooloutac> and I want the music off the sdcard is the problem
[21:13] <cooloutac> seems its easier to access the internal storage.   but thats not what i need lol
[21:15] <cooloutac> ok socopyingis also easier to get thenwriting
[21:15] <wxl> if you can confirm the cabling is correct, the other thing that might be worth looking into is whether or not you nteed additional MTP libraries. not sure your thingy uses MTP or not, but i don't think those are installed by default
[21:15] <cooloutac> ahhh
[21:15] <cooloutac> was thinking of that
[21:15] <wxl> yeah i couldn't remember the acronym for a while there :)
[21:16] <wxl> !info mtp-tools
[21:16] <cooloutac> but ya it cut out as soon as I started typing lol
[21:16] <wxl> there is that, though
[21:16] <cooloutac> let me try worth a shot
[21:16] <wxl> MTP is apparently higher level access to the filesystem than USB mass storage normally, so that's a thing
[21:16] <wxl> it's a Microsoft thing, fwiw
[21:16] <cooloutac> right
[21:16] <cooloutac> and I do normall use this thing on windows
[21:17] <cooloutac> windows sometimes borks things to not work on linux
[21:17] <cooloutac> who knows maybe on purpose lol
[21:19] <cooloutac> you knowwhat.  now I'm starting to wonder if I can only copy.   but I can't write to it.
[21:19] <cooloutac> nah I think itsjust less likely to lose connection whily copying,  rather then writing
[21:19] <cooloutac> its stillfinicky
[21:21] <cooloutac> ya i can copy thogh.
[21:21] <cooloutac> but when I try to write.  no go.
[21:22] <cooloutac> and I also think like ca-on-adam says.   when it goes to charging.   it goes to unmount itself
[21:22] <cooloutac> so I have to start copying as soon as I plug it in
[21:22] <cooloutac> cause once it stops.  it disappears
[21:28] <cooloutac> ya I can't write to anything only copy lnao
[21:28] <cooloutac> wow
[21:28] <cooloutac> oknow how to I install mp3 support on lubuntu
[21:28] <cooloutac> eh I'lljust install vlc I guess
[21:29] <cooloutac> I wanted to make a playlist from the songs on my mp3.  had to copy everything to the computer lol
[21:29] <cooloutac> i'll play it off the pc screw it
[22:27] <mate160> hello, someone for a question?