[06:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:13] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[06:14] <brobostigon> morning kirikkets
[06:14] <diddledan> boobs
[06:14] <brobostigon> liboobs
[06:15] <knightwise> Boobs !
[06:15] <knightwise> i'm here
[06:15] <knightwise> i'm up
[06:15] <knightwise> somebody mentioned boobs ?
[06:15] <knightwise> Where ? ?
[06:15]  * knightwise franticly looks around for boobs
[06:16] <diddledan> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G-QbmkGySgU/maxresdefault.jpg
[06:17] <knightwise> diddledan: Birds dif boobs
[08:16] <knightwise> Tmux, ya gotta love it :)
[08:17] <brobostigon> :)
[08:21] <knightwise> I"ve started to notice that working via the CLI and working OFFLINE are the biggest boosts to my creativity
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> risc processing for the human brain when you don't have to constantly interpret icons and buttons, just pure text
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> ibm ran massive ad campaign back in the days of os/2 about how using a mouse slowed you down too
[08:35] <knightwise> at a point its actually true
[08:35] <knightwise> When i see people using an old AS400 interface .. they are FLYING
[08:36] <knightwise> For me its mostly because it is very distraction free
[08:37] <zmoylan-pi> no notifications, no images, single tasking as much as possible
[08:37] <zmoylan-pi> that's why i have so much on my pi these days that i ssh into :-)
[08:39] <knightwise> yep , totally understand what you mean.
[08:39] <knightwise> I'm gonna beef up the storage on my Pi a little bit so I can use it to run some scripts and download stuff
[08:40] <knightwise> I sync my Pi with my iPad and my ipHone over ssh to have all of the downloaded music, youtube video's and podcasts delivered to my machine
[08:40] <knightwise> gonna explain it all on the next podcast
[08:45] <daftykins> beauty of CLI is that you're the one responsible when things don't work, too :D
[08:51] <knightwise> Yep, true
[08:51] <knightwise> that still brings me back to the question if the Linux GUI isn't overated
[08:52] <daftykins> well that was really odd, yesterday a switch here in this London apartment i'm working in completely quit spitting out packets any which way, now today it's back to normal (having unplugged everything and slowly added it back)
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> and with cli there isn't a race to redesign the ui every month
[08:52] <knightwise> yep that is true
[08:52] <knightwise> its not good for EVERYTHING but I do keep questioning the need for a separate linux DESKTOP in my life
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> switch overheated perhaps?
[08:53] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: could be
[08:53] <daftykins> well at first i pondered that but it isn't that bad in here... plus i tried giving it some downtime before another power up, didn't make any difference
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi> we're at that time of year when hardware that gives no problems starts to misbehave cause it can't handle the heat
[08:54] <zmoylan-pi> or some other device is sending packets on the network thats making it misbehave... :-)
[08:55] <daftykins> mmmm everything is plugged back in so i suspect this one will remain a phantom issue
[08:56] <daftykins> unless when mid-day rolls around and i resume dying of heat - and it flakes out again too...
[08:56] <knightwise> You gotta put a fan on it
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> max heat is around 2-3pm as the heat from the sun warms up concrete and bricks and that heat starts to bake the contents of their buildings
[08:59] <diddledan> it's already 27C in my flat
[09:00] <diddledan> unless my thermiewotsit is wonky
[09:00]  * zmoylan-pi has an 18" fan blowing air right now...
[09:01] <diddledan> before the heat and now: https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-44885493
[09:02] <knightwise> yeah , its pretty bad
[09:03] <knightwise> my lawn is actually shrinking.
[09:03] <daftykins> the poor TV guy i had visit yesterday came down dripping with sweat twice from going up in the loft to fit a satellite multiswitch
[09:03] <knightwise> i have a 2 cm gap between my cobblestones and my grass
[09:03] <daftykins> oh that was me and diddledan last night with scissors
[09:03] <daftykins> ;D
[09:09] <knightwise> you kids !
[09:09] <knightwise> GET OFF MY LAWN
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> is it still a lawn when it's brown and dead?
[09:23] <knightwise> its not completely dead yet
[09:23] <knightwise> its a zombie lawn
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> grainssssss......
[09:45] <daftykins> got asked to set up a safe with a PIN just now, doesn't really fill me with confidence that the things touchscreen PIN panel runs from 4 AA batteries on a compartment inside
[09:46] <diddledan> yeah - those things are gimmicks - the batteries can die so there's a lock+key override
[09:46] <daftykins> hmm didn't see anything in the cupboard where it lives
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> don't worry, they'll lock the key inside for security....
[09:47] <daftykins> \o/
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> and the manual. because when the panel batteries run down knowing that the instructions on what to do will be vitally important and you'll know were they are for sure
[09:48] <daftykins> clearly it should use BASH security: "you have one attempt, execute a perfect tar command to archive your current directory AND SCP it to the following remote host"
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> nah just the old 'enter 11 digit prime number to continue'
[09:53] <diddledan> or: enter the result of sqrt(-1)
[09:53] <diddledan> and it's not i or j
[09:56] <knightwise> anyone ever owned a motorola android phone ?
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> does one own android, does not google own it? :-)
[10:00] <knightwise> lol
[10:01] <knightwise> just thinging about switching back to android for a swhile
[10:14] <daftykins> i've chosen moto g's for clients before, always been nice phones
[10:15] <daftykins> most recently picked the 'moto g6 play' dual SIM for a lady's first smartphone - she's really getting on well with it
[10:16] <knightwise> Worth the risk to go for a mid range model (not a flagship phone ?)
[10:17] <daftykins> you might well be a bit more demanding so the higher end 'moto g6' might be worth it, but i find if anything is glass backed or fronted they'll suffer greatly if not baby'd.. and flagships seem to be all about anything other than practicality
[10:17] <daftykins> case in point my clients Note 8 which already has smashed front and rear glass
[10:18] <daftykins> which reminds me, i need to call LG and see if they still lost my Nexus 5x that was going in for repair
[10:18] <knightwise> I was looking at the G6plus
[10:18] <knightwise> with a good case
[10:19] <daftykins> :D
[10:19] <knightwise> also want to downplay my phone use and focus on my tablet a bit more
[10:27] <daftykins> yep LG have still lost my phone
[10:27] <daftykins> or rather DPD have
[11:01] <knightwise> dpd = /dev/null
[13:24] <daftykins> i return \o/ another laptop revived, but ugh walking around London is hell to me
[13:31] <knightwise> daftykins: good to have you back
[13:32] <daftykins> :D thanks!
[13:32] <daftykins> shirt off, balcony doors and windows reopened, hidden from the tormenting heat :)
[13:59] <knightwise> are you torrenting heat ?
[13:59] <knightwise> in THIS weather ?
[14:01] <daftykins> tor Ment ;D
[14:07] <knightwise> you wouldn't download a heatwave  .. would you ?
[14:20] <daftykins> it'd melt my phone line!
[14:21] <daftykins> heh my clients silly lighting system here puts noise onto the phone line (in voice calls terms) when the lights are on
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> so he can dial in from abroad and appreciate the hum of his lighting system :-)
[15:08] <daftykins> xD
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> does he have a ring doorbell so he can watch blue tits nicking his milk?
[15:14] <daftykins> hehe, nah not a fan of the gimmicky tech
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> what if they added a laser....? :-)
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> troll cats from the comfort of your sofa...
[15:18] <daftykins> the poor little blighters would finally get some attention when left in Guernsey
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> oh for that all you need is a recording of a dog barking to remind them of the time they woke you up at 3am meowing their brains out... :-)
[15:29]  * arsen slaps daftykins 
[15:32] <daftykins> ow
[17:01] <diddledan> \o/ https://twitter.com/aaisp/status/1021506257319063553
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> time to get that 8k tv :-P