[00:01] oh [00:02] pbuilder is what fails me =/ [00:12] is there some kind of snazzy new kernel debugging thingy now that i don't know about where i can just create a vm and set a breakpoint on, say, the code that identifies partition tables on a block device, and single step through it without having to build five hundred packages from thirty-six sources and making an offering to the oat god? [00:14] because linux is not recognizing the partitions on this disk image and it is making me sad [00:17] Anyone know of a good guide for 18.04 to setting it up as a syslog server? [00:17] Everything I'm finding is for older versions [00:19] electricmilk: I'd go with syslog-ng, much more capable than rsyslog, and nicer syntax. [00:19] ah thank you [00:20] blackswan, ymmv but systemtap -- not exactly what you are askingg (no step through) but is capable of major kernel probing [00:21] lungaro_: thanks but that doesn't seem applicable to the problem at hand [00:30] hi [00:31] !rootirc [00:31] It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet. [00:31] exit [00:31] Hacked [00:32] I do the step by step instructions to create a shared folder a while back, I forget each step but it worked. Today however the laptop doesn't see the desktop folder on Network anymore. [00:32] how do I begin shoot trouble? [00:33] I can still go to network on the desktop and see the folder there [00:33] (as in desktop pc) [00:35] what could have changed? [00:45] should I be able to access the network folder? (pointing at the same machine) [00:45] it asks for a password but rejects it [00:47] ah had to type smb://computername/ [00:49] Well I upgraded to the newer kernel 4.4.131.157, all seems to be working just fine :) [00:49] errr, forgot the .0. ;) === Budgii_ is now known as Budgii === Budgii is now known as Budgii_ === Budgii_ is now known as Budgii === msalvatore_ is now known as msalvatore [01:20] i like gnome / unity, but sometimes i like to run kde or lxde. is there a minimal way i can install just those wihtout doing the lubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop commands? thats too much and I don't want to change my bootup, etc. i just want some different DM's to choose from. [01:21] Anyone going to defcon? === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:26] Any info when 18.04 will be added to update manager === peer is now known as Guest94022 === boogle_ is now known as boogle [01:52] have a 16.04 server i just setup with UFW/OpenVPN. I can connect as a VPN client and traceroute out to the internet, but I have dnsmasq running on the OpenVPN server and I cannot DNS resolve as a OpenVPN client. Nothing shows up in the firewall as being blocked. Any ideas? [02:01] bildz: try the #ubuntu-server channel mate, they might help you more specificly [02:24] bOAOA === guiverc_d is now known as guiverc [02:48] hi [02:48] Do ubuntu live usb support mixed mode uefi? [02:48] like if I copy the iso contents to a thumb drive? [02:49] or do I have to use the 32 bit version? [02:50] well, obviously I'm not ggoing to use the 32 bit version... but do I have to build my own install media to boot in mixed mode? [02:50] theorchid: use the usb boot disk maker [02:51] theorchid: whats your main OS? [02:51] hello [02:51] theorchid: w32disk imager in windows [02:51] bildz, I use windows 10 and ubuntu and gentoo [02:52] Who can say? [02:52] w32disk imager? [02:52] theorchid: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ [02:52] jack_fu: can we help you? [02:52] use that and it will push the iso to a thumb drive [02:52] what? [02:53] bildz, no i need mixed mode booting [02:53] 12315 [02:53] like, my uefi is 32 bit, and my system is 64 bit [02:55] jack_fu: stop it please [02:56] jack_fu: you have joined the ubuntu support channel, no chitchat here [03:06] I have some python3 code using Gtk3 that is not behaving as expected. I have created a custom widget inherited from Gtk.Entry ... When I inherit from this to create two other classes, the definitions conflict... each of these two new classes will work properly on the own, but if I use both the Uppercase one no longer function correctly... what am I doing wrong? [03:06] see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tRsrWqbPVW/ [03:15] hello :( i don't have mood i really angry [03:15] why google chrome flash player doesn't work ? [03:16] my chromium can't work flash player :( [03:19] anyone can help me ? [03:19] qwebirc54247, i don't have flash (don't want it), but this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash [03:21] i try it -_- but my problem is not fixed [03:21] guiverc: i try it but my problem not fixed [03:22] did you `sudo apt update` (to reload your repository lists & include the extra partner repo) then re-run chromium ? [03:22] yes :/ [03:26] i need help!!!! [03:27] @b4b4nn [03:27] bye ! [03:27] thanks for this support === Freddish_ is now known as Freddish [03:48] Hi there [03:58] you know that bit of text that says if you need a reboot, updates avalible, etc, that displays when you connect with SSH? is there a way to get that to display again without reloading the ssh session? [03:59] A quick question, my wireless adapters is supported with the 2.6.36 and 3.2 kernel, so I searched a ubuntu version with these kernel and I found the 12.04LTS (3.2), the wifi is working. Now my question is, is there a chance I get issue if I upgrade my ubuntu ? I'm not sure how this is working exaclty. [04:00] Too bad i missed Qwebirc5424, all you need to do is install chromium-pepperflash. [04:00] nshire I think that is part of the motd file. [04:04] cry_wolf, only 12.04 ESM is supported (but NOT here); and surely it'd be a downgrade for you [04:05] guiverc, ok thanks. [04:07] 12.04? 6 years setback? really? :P [04:09] Well, I would have download the and installed 18.04 but because of my wireless I wasn't sure. And this is what is written on Intel support page; "We support use of the drivers only in the kernel version the driver was a part of" [04:10] nshire, I looked it up. Apparently there is some script run at boot that updates the motd that is then displayed. I have to go but I hope this helps. [04:11] So if a more recent Ubuntu version is not on the same kernel, I guess I'm fucked. I mean, I saw a few post on the ubuntu forum with people having issue on newer ubuntu version with the same wireless device. [04:19] I have a very basic question [04:19] boogle, looks like you're right that it's only updated at system startup. I found you can display it using "cat /var/run/motd.dynamic" but that doesn't necessarily show an up-to-date version. [04:19] if I ls -l and get a file listing like -rwxr-w-r-- 1 <--- that does that number (1, 2, whatever) mean? [04:20] I've looked place after place and can't seem to find a good answer? Seems like it is just skipped over everywhere [04:23] S1GM4: perhaps 1 is the file was created by accident? can you see the content of 1? [04:23] No, I mean like, in a typical breakdown, say: [04:24] -rwxr-xr-- 1 instruct staff 270311 Aug 11 2009 install.sh [04:24] What does that number (1) mean after the permissions? [04:25] that is the number of links to the file [04:25] hard links, not symbolic links [04:25] Ah, I see, haha. XD [04:25] I wonder why that is not ever explained in all the tutorials and stuff I have read that break down what the listing actually is referencing [04:26] I knew it was something incredibly basic, but have never had to consider it until I started taking this forsaken Unix class [04:26] i don't know. when i was introduced to unix it was explained quite clearly. [04:26] ("the unix programming environment", kernighan and pike) [04:26] i never knew that. i basically ignored it. nice to know now. thx, blackswan [04:27] that's why directories don't have a 1` [04:27] and their link count goes up for each subdirectory you put in them [04:27] because of the .. links [04:27] makes sense [04:31] Ah, yeah [04:31] Ironically, if I'd actually done any of the course work instead of just trying to test out, I'd likely have run across the answer. Instead, when it came time to do the project at the end of the segment (as I tested out around 90%+ for all the material) I was like [04:31] Wait a minute... what is this number here XD hahaha [04:32] been using Unix-related systems for... I dunno, almost two decades? Never bothered to learn some of the basic stuff. :( Bring shame to my famiry and cran. === vemacs|ded is now known as vemacs [04:53] Man that Unix permissions assignment was easy. The next one is regex XD frick frack. === Freddish_ is now known as Freddish [05:52] I want to clone my dual boot win10 ubuntu SSD. As it took me a long time t oget it all sorted out. I find Acronis cloner works well on windows. But last time when I cloned my USB linux to a HDD, the hdd clone took long to boot up. Maybe due to size differnece?. So, is it always better to use excactly the same size disks when cloning? [05:54] Anyone ? [05:54] sup [05:54] I want to clone my dual boot win10 ubuntu SSD. As it took me a long time t oget it all sorted out. I find Acronis cloner works well on windows. But last time when I cloned my USB linux to a HDD, the hdd clone took long to boot up. Maybe due to size differnece?. So, is it always better to use excactly the same size disks when cloning? [05:55] hold up mang [05:55] ur gonna have to explain that slower [05:55] When cloning ubuntu/win 10 disk. is it better to clone to a disk exactly the same size? [05:55] so basically [05:55] well first of all [05:55] what operating system are you running [05:55] cos when i cloned usb to hdd, the boot times were slow [05:56] dual boot win10 ubuntu [05:56] whats the gfl [05:57] wats a gfl [05:57] i cant help unless i know the gfl [05:57] itll be under your ubuntu settings [05:57] wel wah tis it, then i can look [05:58] just open up your settings and take a look real quick [05:58] i did [05:58] i have no idea wat u mean [05:58] all i need to know is if it starts with a 3 or a 4 [05:58] gfl [05:59] i copied my usb ubuntu before onto a hdd, using acronis on windows. it worked, but the boot tim was slow. maybe cos the disks were diferent sizes [06:00] and i opened up settings.. but can see no gfl.. and no way to search [06:00] well theres your problem right there [06:00] you'll have to give me more info [06:00] what problem? [06:00] differnet disk size? [06:01] anyone else? [06:02] Eric_Chong: there's really no need to have the same size disk [06:02] as long as the drive you are clone to is = or > [06:02] in that case, i wonder why the slow boot time [06:02] the rest worked fine, just slow boot [06:02] Eric_Chong: mechanical or SSD? [06:02] ssd [06:02] from usb to ssd [06:02] slow boot into windows i imagine? [06:02] i have no idea - or > [06:02] but faster boot into linux? [06:02] no, ubuntu# [06:03] i only had ubuntu on the ssd., i did not clone dual os yet [06:03] only had ubuntu on usb* [06:03] I'd try another boot if you have not, perhaps the OS had to do some things due to the hardware change [06:03] another boot? [06:03] yeah, reboot? [06:03] yes, every time i boot it slow [06:03] ahhh [06:03] stays ame [06:03] same* [06:03] it runs fine once booted tho [06:03] hmmmm maybe the SSD is not configured optimal [06:04] but that's usually pretty plug and play these days [06:04] well, i put a fresh ubuntu on the ssd, fresh install and it boots like lightning [06:04] weird [06:04] i'm really not sure, sory :( [06:04] ever use clonezilla? [06:04] som i want to clone this dual boot ssd...but dont want to waste money if it wont clone propery [06:04] I really love it for imaging [06:04] hmm its ok [06:05] I use it often and have never experienced anything like that [06:05] i cant use clonezilla on linux.. to hard to figur eout [06:05] i used acronis on windows [06:05] oh it's super easy [06:05] no, i tried before [06:05] i got lost [06:05] no gui either [06:05] yeah first couple times take some work [06:05] once you get used to it - works like a boss tho [06:05] tried/failed [06:05] left it running all night hoping it was doing sumthing [06:05] but not [06:06] I'm not sure i would trust windows to create a good 1:1 image of a file system time that it does not even support natively [06:06] i heard that creating images doesnt matter [06:06] yeah maybe not [06:06] i use rufus for my linux installs for example [06:06] have not used windows in a long time though :( [06:06] i just iwsh loinux had more gui software [06:07] its confusing as hell in terminal [06:09] i tried clonezilla thee times [06:09] and only had to use acronis once and i understood it. just the slow boot sucks though [06:09] how slow we talking? [06:09] like < 60 seconds? [06:09] > 60? [06:10] maybe your clone software wrote a very fragmented mess? [06:10] well the original was avbout 20 seconds from usb... the clone to ssd about 60 or 90 [06:10] weird [06:10] not life threatening, but annoying [06:10] defrag the SSD [06:10] they don't normally need it [06:11] but it's not going to hurt anything and I imagine that's your issue [06:11] well as i say. now i have a fresh ubuntu and windows 10 on same ssd. and its flying [06:11] evetything should be fine when you do it, just remember you'll likely need to defrag afterwards [06:12] or wait for windows to do it automatically (seems it does it once a month) [06:12] not sure now linux handles it [06:12] yea. i dont think its a frag issue [06:12] dunno tho [06:12] the fact that it boots and everything works = i'm out of ideas lol [06:12] might be.. as the hdd was not same size as usb.. maybe sum wierd stuff happened [06:12] can't think what would slow it down except bad fragmentation [06:12] yea [06:12] nah that does not really matter [06:13] so maybe a i said, if the disks are exact same sixe its better [06:13] size* [06:13] hmm [06:13] you could clone a 256GB ssd to a 1TB, you just end up with 700ish GB unallocated [06:14] i have a 500 gb hdd.. and my dual boot os in my ssd is 250g.. i could try clonming to my 500gb hdd just t osee wat happens [06:14] the total size is irrelevant as long as the destination is = or > than source [06:14] ive no idea about = or > [06:14] :/ [06:14] equal or greater than [06:14] sorry [06:14] oh ok, no problem [06:14] yes the ssd was much greater size [06:14] yeah that's really a non issue, and easy to 'fix' later if you want [06:15] just boot into a live session from a USB, use gparted to add the unalloc space to the new partition [06:15] i think partitions wont work whe ncloning.. as you need to use the entire disk, for boot reasons i think [06:16] but can resize after cloning i guess [06:16] ya kinda just depends how you do it, but I see no logical reason for any slow downs [06:16] hmm [06:16] well, i have some data on my 500gfb hdd, i can move off of it ,and try to clone my ssd on to it [06:17] but my data is in fat 32 format. will be ok to copy in on to a ntfs drive without corrupting it ? [06:18] like, can i copy data fro ma fat 32 disk, to a ntfs disk, then later back to a fat 32 disk without corrupting the date? [06:18] its a ps3 save data [06:18] I'm mounting an iscsi LUN with open iscsi. the mount seems to work but and when i do a blkid it shows up as /dev/sdb but when I lsblk to get its uuid it doesn't list anything. [06:22] Eric_Chong: yes, the OS will take care of that for you [06:22] Eric_Chong: If you copy from a fat32 disk to NTFS, the OS will write the files using NTFS, all will be perfect [06:25] thanks mous [06:26] and if then i cna copy the same files back from ntfs to fat 32 later, i cna keep my ps3 save intact === HappyHotDog is now known as DrunkHotDog [06:26] and the ncan use this 500gb to experiment with cloning ;) [06:27] hey === shawn is now known as Guest58973 [07:23] Hello I'm trying out linux and i have USB wireless thing [07:23] I'm stretching a cable across the room to be here. How do I turn wireless on? [07:25] Oldtrouble: judging by your username, there should be an NetworkManager icon in the taskbar tray [07:25] Oldtrouble: kubuntu I mean [07:26] blackflow: it just says Wired Connection [07:26] should I use OpenGL or Vulkan when I play a game? [07:26] vulkan if possible [07:27] why [07:27] because it's next gen protocol and phoronix benchmarks peg it as better performing. uses much less CPU than opengl too. [07:29] Oldtrouble: I don't know it off the top of my head but there should be an Add, or Manage connections menu option through which you should be able to add wireless? Do you know which chipset is it, btw? [07:29] Umm. Ralink? [07:34] Oldtrouble: and no wireless connection option whatsoever in the network manager? [07:35] None [07:37] Oldtrouble: can you open the terminal, type lsusb hit enter and pastebin the output of it? [07:37] !pastebin | Oldtrouble [07:37] Oldtrouble: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:37] Oldtrouble: do that after you've plugged in the usb thingy [07:38] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jsgJ2cnhy9/ [07:39] Oldtrouble: and which ubuntu is this? [07:40] 1804 [07:42] Oldtrouble: can you pastebin the output of journalctl --since '1 hour ago' | grep -e NetworkManager -e wpa_supplicant [07:43] Question. I have a home directory which is EXT3-4 and I want to copy all the files and attributes to another partition that is BtrFS. Is there a file manager, or a console command to copy each file and attributes to this new BtrFS partition? I'm new to ubuntu/linux but I'm working at it. [07:44] I'm using ubuntu 16.04. When I close my laptop lid (dell inspiron) it hibernates, that's fine and expected. but when I have monitor plugged in, it is still turned on and laptop does not hibenates. I've tried to change settings in this config file: /etc/systemd/logind.conf but didn't help [07:44] I've changed those variables: HandleLidSwitch=hibernate and HandleLidSwitchDocked=hibernate [07:45] akkonrad: May I PM you? [07:46] TabMasher: don't crosspost, please [07:46] ducasse: Just looking for help. Sorry. [07:48] blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fJ8Cm2TgX7/ [07:49] Oldtrouble: yeah the output of that command. you have to hit enter at the end. then it produces some output and then please pastebin that output, like you did for lsusb. [07:50] that was all it said [07:50] there was nothing after I hit enter [07:51] Oldtrouble: and if you use -b instead of --since '1 hour ago' ? [07:51] umm [07:51] ok [07:52] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VkMZsTsHjp/ [07:52] TabMasher, sure [07:59] blackflow: I see it says WiFi enabled [07:59] After looking through too many askubuntu answers, I find raising the limit on the number of open files in Ubuntu to be really confusing and difficult. Can anyone give a simple solution to increasing this number? [08:00] on Line 28 [08:00] Oldtrouble: I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/457061/ralink-mt7601u-148f7601-wi-fi-adapter-installation and that appears to be your adapter, and it supposedly "just works" on "Ubuntu 16.04 onward". [08:01] anyone here can help me diagnose a cron issue [08:01] https://paste.pound-python.org/show/RdLp1CtA6aSuJm9Zjwiy/ [08:01] I am getting these logs under crontab service [08:01] my test.py script is not creating any output, what could be happening? === Richard is now known as Guest8058 [08:07] blackflow: Those numbers they list under supported. what are those? [08:08] Oldtrouble: bus device IDs from that lsusb output you pasted first [08:09] Ah. It matched mine. [08:09] So it should be turned on but it's invisible? === guiverc_d is now known as guiverc_t [08:17] blackflow: Thanks for the help [08:26] One weekly arrived, thanks Bashing-Om ! [08:26] What to expect with Upgrade to 18.04 ? [08:27] I have it on usb drive now, but await the upgrade install. [08:28] o.o Scheduled backup wants a thumb drive === Guest16682 is now known as matt_ [08:38] I lost an SSH connection during an "apt dist-upgrade" and now I can't update anymore: https://paste.ngx.cc/8f8a2dac171fb80c [08:38] It's left it in a broken state. Please help. This is a live server [08:39] Good Morning... First thing... i have no clue of what i am doing... We are having issues withj some nfs4 errors and i am tasked to connect a new server via nfs3 (again... i have no clue of nfs... i just now its a network share..." so i am looking at fstab and trrying to figure out how to do this.. . First question regarding this -> if i connect via nfs3 client should the server not also be on version nfs3? hope [08:39] someone can give me a helping hand or direct me in the right direction === erwinnovo is now known as easyOnMe [08:39] MacroMan: is an apt or dpkg process stil active? [08:40] hello guys [08:40] Hey Guys, A couple of weeks ago I received a new laptop with a "Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter". First thing I did was installing ubuntu.. Everything seems to be working fine, but my wifi connection "drops" at random times. At which point I need to restart my network-manager.. which is getting frustrating. [08:40] Not apt. I'm just checking and it seems I stil lhave a dpkg process active [08:40] just want to ask I am task to do web admin [08:40] I was looking into updating the driver, but it seems that linux-firmware should be update enough for my driver.. [08:41] I tried disabling "ac" .. which didn't help [08:41] I am just want to know how to grant permission to a subdomain folder so that it can be access via the internet without making a full and complete access to it [08:41] Ah, think it's OK. I killed the dpkg process and now seem to be updating fine. [08:41] just how like a typical html folder is allowed to be accessed via the internet [08:42] easyOnMe: you cant just give access to a foder to the internet you need some kind of httpd server [08:42] easyOnMe: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-and-configure-apache#0 [08:42] easyOnMe: it must be readable to the web server's process/user. [08:42] blackflow: so how do I do that [08:42] Hounddog: yes the server is apache [08:42] easyOnMe: start with googling for "basic unix permissions" and how to manage those via chmod [08:42] easyOnMe: If you already have apache installed, ask on #httpd [08:42] u might try ftp server? [08:43] blackflow: I remember there is a command that you use but I forget about it [08:43] and I know that you need to use the same command to subfoders within html folder [08:43] MacroMan: and when that's done, first thing you should do is install tmux or screen and next time do ALL such management through tmux or screen [08:43] easyOnMe: Indexes? [08:43] easyOnMe: I just told you what to do. can you do that? [08:43] Anyone know where to start looking ? [08:43] blackflow: yes I know but I do not know which permission to use [08:44] so sorry newbie here [08:44] blackflow: Thanks. I've managed to re-run dist-upgrade, but it's hanging on "update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)" [08:44] blackflow: I do not want to commit an error that grant the wrong access [08:44] hi guys. I installed ubuntu on my dulboot system today. Specs are: i7 6gen HQ / GTX 950M / 8Gigs of RAM / 256 Gigs of SSD (40gigs are parted for UBUNTU). I installed yet neither X server nor Wayland gives me a desktop. All I could've seen was a black/purple screen at the first login. I'm on the windows side now any idea to what to do? [08:44] easyOnMe: macroman gave you a tutorial, everything should also be mentioned there what kind of permissions and which user should have it [08:44] easyOnMe: so, after looking up "basic unix permissions", which of those need further clarification? [08:44] blackflow: I see [08:45] ok I will be right back [08:45] hellobello : my ISP stated one thing.. fast. But, I do noy get fast. If you have wifi.. look at those.. is it 'n' setting? not in the driver? [08:45] easyOnMe: I mean looking up that should explain everything, so maybe you have a specific question about that? [08:46] easyOnMe: http://fideloper.com/user-group-permissions-chmod-apache [08:47] MacroMan: thanks just what I need let me read through and I will ask questions later [08:48] deja dup says backup failed because it cannot access the drive - permissions needed. What to do? [08:48] easyOnMe: I found that by searching "Apache file permissions". Google is a powerful tool. [08:49] MacroMan: sorry about that [08:49] just under pressure to deliver here really so sorry [08:49] maybee i should even start lower.... how can i see if nf3 is even supported with the kernel? [08:50] MacroMan: ok now I got a question [08:50] IntelCore: I'm not entirely sure about the questions. All try to answer: "If you have wifi.. look at those": Wifi is working, but it randomly d/c's. My colleagues on macs an linux with other laptops don't have this issue | "Is it 'n' setting? not in the driver?": I'm sorry buy I have no idea what you mean. I tried disabling "ac" but I have no idea if this worked, but I do know that it did not solve my problem :( [08:51] if www-data is the group that is the one granting access to the html folder when say example.org domain is entered into the url browser [08:51] hellobello: verify power save mode [08:52] how shall I allow the same user permission so that the subdomain folder which is inside the html folder can be access when say subdomain.example.org is typed on the web browser [08:52] hellobello back the current config [08:53] hellobello read my dialog paste to you [08:53] is this the correct terminal command chmod -R g+rx /var/www [08:53] easyOnMe: you have to allow user or group www-data READ permission on the folder and files in question. usually it's done through such files and folders having read permission "for all", but it'd be wiser to just limit it to group or owner. that means those files and dirs will have to be owned by www-data user or group. [08:54] easyOnMe: that would be correct if you use the approach of www-data group having read access to those. but then you must also chown it to www-data group [08:54] easyOnMe: did you look up "basic unix permissions" on google? [08:54] I disconnected. Did anyone reply to me? [08:55] blackflow: ok so I need help to confirm whether the following sequence of terminal commands will be ok meaning it will only allow access from the public what is necessary meaning read only [08:56] blackflow: yes [08:56] those rwx [08:56] easyOnMe: I _really_ hope you understand _this_: we can give you exact commands to run without you understanding what they do. that would be a disservice to you, you'd change something in the system, gods know what, and when it breaks, you'd have no idea what, where, how, what did you do, how it works. SO... what you _have_ to do is understand how basic permissions work and what the tools are. once [08:56] you do that, then you'll understand exactly what you need to do to allow your httpd to access those files. [08:56] r for read w for write and x for execute [08:56] blackflow: yes thank for that I appreciate that [08:57] that is why I need validation here I will chose the command kindly tell me whether is it correct or ont [08:57] not [08:57] easyOnMe: right, so you have two approaches here. unless you make it more restrictive, the default is for all dirs and files to be READABLE to "all" [08:57] but, it's more than setting permissions [08:57] easyOnMe: so when you put something under /var/www and point your vhost there, it should all work out of the box. [08:58] kinda like ftp servers [08:58] I'm reading about fixing the apt hang. Most suggestions are removing the kernel and installing it again. Is that a wise idea? [08:58] blackflow: what do you mean it should all work out of the box [08:58] easyOnMe: alternatively, you can limit the permissions on those files by removing access to "all" (chmod o-rwx ....). in that case you must make those readable to www-data user OR group [08:58] yes the second alternative is what I prefer [08:58] easyOnMe: exactly what I said. the default permissions when you create a file/dir is that those are readable to ALL users in the system [08:59] I only what the users from the internet to read only the subdomain folder [08:59] once they access it they will only see the web pages I wanted [08:59] no write or execute permissions === AE is now known as Guest45514 [08:59] easyOnMe: there are no "users from the internet" in context of permissions on your system. that would be the web server's process and the system user it is running as, by default it is "www-data" on debian and derivatives, for apache and nginx for example [09:00] I can't seem to kill the apt process now. Running `sudo kill {pid}` has no effect [09:00] blackflow:Oh I get it [09:00] thanks about that [09:00] Hi I have a question! About Install wine on ubuntu [09:00] so it is only the group "www-data" that allows people to access the web pages [09:00] easyOnMe: the webserver itself can't write files unless you enable DAV or pass requests to something like PHP. it also can't execute something unless you configure something like cgi or pass it to PHP which in turn explicitly does exec syscalls [09:00] now I got a clearer picture [09:01] blackflow: yes the system has php [09:01] MacroMan: be more persuasive with -9 for kill (or -SIGKILL) [09:01] so now for www-data what should be the correct permissions [09:01] I mean the website uses php to execute commands such as saving data on the database [09:01] how can i fix that: Depends: wine1.6-i386 (= 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14.2) Recommends: fonts-droid but it is not installable [09:02] easyOnMe: you can chown all those files to www-data:www-data and the default permissions should work (being 644 fo files and 755 for dirs -- and the last number can even be 0 if that's what you want) [09:02] so does that mean that for the group "www-data" I need to use the default permissions [09:02] easyOnMe: with PHP involved things are much more complex and depend on how you are running PHP in context of the web server. [09:03] blackflow: I am using a php framework codeigniter 3 [09:03] it serves web pages dynamically and saves data to the back end database [09:03] easyOnMe: yeah but how is the web server running PHP. as mod-php? via fastcgi? [09:03] so what permissions should I use [09:03] mod-php [09:03] if it's mod-php then it's running within the Apache processes, thus as www-data. [09:04] blackflow: Thanks. Being more "persuasive" worked. [09:04] blackflow: hold on a sec how do I confirm that php is running mod-php or via fastcgi can I verify it by running php.info [09:04] database access is socket based and doesnt' involve unix permissions. PHP can save uploaded files, those will be owned by the process PHP is running as, in case of mod-php, the process Apache is running as, by default www-data:www-data [09:05] MacroMan: -9 scares them all into submission. [09:05] easyOnMe: It sounds like you have a fairly standard Apache install. Setting www-data:www-data as the owner and setting the permission 644 for files and 775 for directories should be all you need. [09:05] easyOnMe: you can confirm by knowing exactly what you did. PHP doens't work by itself you have to explicitly configure it. we're getting back to that "understand" what you're doing vs "get told a few commands you have no clue what they do". [09:06] I've removed the kernel with "sudo update-initramfs -k 4.15.0-20-generic -d", but dpkg is still hanging on update-initramfs when I'm running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" [09:06] blackflow: yeah that is why I am asking because this is the first time I heard this fastcgi but I do not remember doing anything like that but out of curiosity I ask [09:07] MacroMan: 755 then for dirs, not 775 unless you want group writable, which doesn't change much if its owned by www-data [09:07] anyway I will be right back [09:07] blackflow: Oops. That was a typo [09:07] anyway I will be right back [09:07] thanks for the info guys need to be with my daughter I will be back [09:07]