[01:34] <jrss> no? anyone?
[01:34] <jrss> Krfb as remote desktop server?
[01:44] <zxq9> There are quite a few
[01:46] <zxq9> There are three fairly common protocols (one of which is Windows' own Remote Desktop protocol), several desktop servers to choose from (each of which supports one or more protocol), and a variety of clients that each support different protocols.
[01:46] <zxq9> So you have to kind of pick.
[01:46] <zxq9> jrss: If you need to interoperate with Windows using Windows' built-in Remote Desktop utility then half of your decisions are made for you.
[01:48] <zxq9> Also... keep in mind this is a very high-latency channel, so expect about a day for a response. We're all in scattered timezones. A much busier resource for things that aren't Kubuntu-specific is the vanilla ubunutu channel here on Freenode and the debian channel on OFTC.
[01:53] <zxq9> Checking my own setup...
[01:55] <zxq9> I am running xrdp on my Kubuntu system, configured to connect using the VNC protocol (sesman-Xvnc, in particular).
[01:55] <zxq9> On the client side I'm using Remmina.
[01:56] <zxq9> There are lots of other options, but these were fairly easy to get working when I started playing with it, so I've just stuck with this.
[01:56] <zxq9> Ah, one detail. I'm connecting over an SSH tunnel, so to get the same setup you'll have to configure that.
[01:57] <zxq9> Ah, here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/xrdp
[01:58] <jrss> zxq9:  thanks for that. sorry if it looked like I was impatient, I basically wanted to just "ping" what I said.
[01:59] <jrss> I have ssh, but I think x11 is too slow at times. it drags
[02:00] <jrss> so xrdp would work with windows remote desktop? that could work from work. I'm worried abotu security though, with these...
[02:00] <zxq9> I'm not sure if a windows ssh client like putty would let you tunnel from Windows the same way or not.
[02:00] <zxq9> (probably?)
[02:01] <zxq9> There is probably someone around here with experience in that you can ping.
[02:02] <zxq9> x11 forwarding either workers REALLY well or works REALLY slowly. But it is sort of great because you can choose to X11 forward just on specific app and get native widgets -- which is a step up from having PNG blocks update within a frame to make it look like you're seeing a desktop.
[02:02] <zxq9> X11 is low bandwidth, but very chatty -- so if you have much round-trip latency between the remote systems it is super slow.
[02:03] <zxq9> VNC and RDP are higher bandwidth, but far less affected by latency issues.
[02:03] <jrss> yeah hmmm
[02:04] <jrss> I need it for emacs basically. it's a whole thing... and maybe for something else ocessionally, like if I want to use an app back at home
[02:04] <zxq9> Hm... for emacs...
[02:04] <jrss> but most of the tools I use can run OK from command line. The ones I will need to use
[02:04] <jrss> well before you go there, for emacs... there's tramp and all of that I know... but that's a whole another story lol
[02:04] <zxq9> I don't use emacs or vim in windowed mode to begin with, so use in an SSH terminal is the fastest you can get.
[02:05] <jrss> I want a backup, so to speak,
[02:05] <jrss> zxq9: ya but I much rather use the gui
[02:05] <zxq9> ewwwwww!
[02:05] <zxq9> ;-P
[02:05] <jrss> my main issue is configuring emacs to work ok from work. Once this is done, I can just TRAMP back and forth
[02:06] <jrss> lol I like the pretty colors and fonts and themse :p
[02:06] <jrss> *themes
[02:06] <zxq9> So.... icky.
[02:06] <zxq9> hehe
[02:06] <zxq9> But I'm a stick in the mud.
[02:06] <zxq9> I'm so bad that when I used emacs I use it as `emacs -nw` and in viper mode so I get vim commands
[02:06] <zxq9> Super hard habit to break.
[02:07] <jrss> nah I get it. there are a lot of folks like that
[02:07] <jrss> you know. sticks in the mud
[02:07] <jrss> :p
[02:08] <zxq9> heh
[02:09] <jrss> well you see, there are so many configurations I keep messing up ... at home I can take a break, have some coffee, come back. At work, I'm depnedent on this and I can't keep playing around and debug this crap I need to work
[02:09] <jrss> so I would like to have an option to be like "ok, enough. let me just log into my home machine and use emacs there"
[02:09] <jrss> that sort of thing
[02:09] <zxq9> ^^
[02:09] <zxq9> Totally understandable.
[02:09] <zxq9> Are you using Windows at work?
[02:09] <zxq9> That throws a monkey wrench into it every time.
[02:09] <jrss> Yes, that's the main thing. I have a linux VM, as well. SUSE OS
[02:10] <zxq9> Rescuable.
[02:10] <jrss> and then there's an old Mac mini. which kinda has its own working emcas butttttt eh
[02:10] <jrss> got to use Windows for all the AD shit and such. you know. and we're microsoft environment, so it's their tools and crap
[02:11] <jrss> but everyone buys macs because that's what you do when you have money and don't have something better to do with it
[02:11] <jrss> ok ok. here I go again.
[02:11] <jrss> so I installed the KDE thing.. what is it called
[02:11] <zxq9> Hm. Looking at TRAMP... that's really the way to go. Wow.
[02:11] <jrss> yeah, TRAMP is AWESOME.
[02:12] <jrss> when it works.
[02:12] <zxq9> hah
[02:12] <jrss> it's basically "syncs" with scp
[02:12] <jrss> so when you save, it saves there with scp
[02:12] <zxq9> otoh, you could sync through a private gitlab repo or something.
[02:12] <jrss> yeah git and all of that is something I don't know how to do yet. at all.
[02:12] <jrss> work in progress -.-
[02:12] <jrss> but also, I don't want to save anything in the cloud if possible
[02:12] <zxq9> ooc, what sort of work do you do?
[02:12] <jrss> because I'm insane. yep.
[02:13] <jrss> user support helpdesk is I guess the official title
[02:13] <jrss> though we do research and server side thigns too
[02:13] <jrss> *things
[02:13] <jrss> they just don't pay us for it ;)
[02:13] <zxq9> That's not insane. Nobody has any clue how many vendors aren't fixing Meltdown -- the fix is expensive, unpredictable, not a complete fix, and an attack is 100% painless and undetectable to a tenant.
[02:14] <jrss> yerp. and I mean, all I ahve is text filels, essentially
[02:14] <jrss> so I use syncthing
[02:14] <jrss> which is another totally awesome thing. yes.
[02:14] <jrss> ...when it works
[02:14] <jrss> lol
[02:15] <zxq9> Hm. If it is text files I would think hard about whether using git locally would be easier. Configuring any of this invites a bit of technical overhead -- so may as well just pay the overhead a single time.
[02:15] <jrss> yeah but I don't know anything about git >.>
[02:15] <jrss> besides what it is in theory
[02:16] <jrss> but even that. for now, while I figure out my VM to work with emcas at work (because emcas on non linux is just sad if you ask me)
[02:16] <zxq9> That could be learning to use emacs in the non-gui mode, learning to use git, syncing the files every day (with the home system as the hub), configuring TRAMP, or configuring an RDP/VNC server.
[02:17] <jrss> well most of it is automatic when it works (besides git for me)
[02:17] <jrss> I use syncthing so I can have my org stuff on my phone.
[02:17] <jrss> it's amazing stuff, it is.
[02:22] <jrss> oh. hai.
[02:22] <jrss> I thikn I got killed.
[02:22] <zxq9> heh
[02:22] <jrss> sorry abotu that
[02:22] <jrss> where were I? or you?
[02:22] <zxq9> Departing message was "Disconnected by services" <- whatever that means
[02:22] <jrss> yeah the vpn had a brain fart or something
[02:22] <zxq9> Of course, you might just be an AI experiment trying to figure out how to pass the Turing Test.
[02:23] <jrss> anyway --  what I installed was Krfb
[02:23] <jrss> if you heard of it
[02:23] <jrss> fah. AI.
[02:25] <jrss> you recommend xrdp.. I can try that but wait, did we talk about the security thing
[02:25] <zxq9> Yes.
[02:25] <zxq9> Tunnel over SSH.
[02:25] <jrss> isn't it like having microsoft remote desktop access to your home computer? it's like bad.
[02:25] <jrss> ohhh.
[02:25] <jrss> right right.
[02:25] <jrss> but if it's open for RDP....
[02:25] <jrss> and a port is open...
[02:25] <zxq9> I think you can do that with putty on Windows. If not, the SuSE VM will be able to do it pretty simply with Remmina
[02:26] <zxq9> Yes, you'll need to open a port for SSH, but not for RDP.
[02:26] <jrss> ohhhhhhhh I see.
[02:26] <zxq9> And I recommend using a key, not a password. And disabling password logins on the SSH server side.
[02:27] <jrss> so I connect with ssh per usual. key, yep, used to do that. and then after it's established, open remmina and enjoy?
[02:27] <jrss> or if it's windows I guess putty yah
[02:27] <jrss> which we have.
[02:27] <zxq9> You connect to the xrdp port that is listening locally on the computer at home (not a public port). That port is forwarded through ssh. The only outside-facing port is the SSH one -- which you should set to something other than the default.
[02:28] <zxq9> lemme see if I can find my xrdp config file...
[02:31] <jrss> hmm
[02:31] <zxq9> hm, looks like I just have defaults https://paste.ofcode.org/3bBcPJh4VN2kmiuLcTHbDBm
[02:31] <jrss> I think I am also going to try ssh -x tomorrow
[02:31] <jrss> ah
[02:32] <zxq9> Which would mean the 5900~5909 port range locally. But these are only listening on localhost.
[02:33] <zxq9> In Remmina (the client on this laptop) I have the server address set to 127.0.0.1
[02:33] <jrss> ah I see.
[02:34] <zxq9> Then the host I'm connecting to is set as SSH, and 1.2.3.4:12345 where 1.2.3.4 is the IP address and 12345 is the port number for SSH.
[02:34] <jrss> so it's the local IP
[02:34] <zxq9> Yeah, so Remmina opens an SSH connection, and within its shell session there connects to the (now local) xrdp port at 5900 (or whatever it is).
[02:35] <zxq9> SSH keys just work the same way they always do -- you connect as your normal user using your normal SSH key.
[02:36] <zxq9> I picked a custom virtual screen size because this laptop has a weird pixel count. Picking a standard size will prevent screen shearing (things get drawn at an angle because of compounding coordinate wrap-around).
[02:36] <zxq9> Anyway, wasn't actually hard to do once I started messing with it.
[02:36] <jrss> hmm it sounds like I need to play with it
[02:36] <jrss> see the problem is that when  I'm at work, that's it, I can't play with the other end if something doesn't work
[02:36] <jrss> hmmm.
[02:36] <zxq9> Install xrdp on the server and configure it as a service (as per the Ubuntu help/wiki).
[02:37] <zxq9> Then configure your client to connect over SSH. And that's it.
[02:37] <zxq9> Assuming you've already got sshd set up and accessible from the outside world.
[02:41] <jrss> hmm ok. I'm going to try ssh x tomorrow, first, because it if works even if it's a bit slow, I think I'll be better off. last I tried it was with the mac
[02:41] <jrss> and with the mac you need to download something, use an alternative x11 thing
[02:41] <jrss> and it sucks
[02:41] <jrss> maybe my VM would just be better with that
[02:41] <zxq9> Ah, I suppose so.
[02:41] <zxq9> x-forwarding is really slick, but high latency would make it crawl. So anyway, a worthwhile experiment.
[02:42] <jrss> Indeed.
[02:43] <jrss> it will be good to debug locally while I do some work most of the time.
[02:43] <jrss> org mode is amazing
[03:23] <viewer|74133> am new to linux ,am unable to install cisco packet tracer in bu kubuntu please help me?
[03:48] <[Relic]> Anyone know if there is a tool or addon for taking text and making it into an image with the text centered (like for a slide show)?
[03:54] <coderphive> If I have multiple monitors can I add panels to each?
[04:10] <jgerber> don't know what i did to kde but now all of my menus end up in the left top corner and are unusably small. anyone?
[04:13] <valorie> [Relic]: any word processor should be able to do that
[04:13] <valorie> just export as a pdf
[04:13] <valorie> or just take a screenshot when it's exactly as you like
[04:14] <valorie> libreoffice has a way to make slides as well
[04:21] <[Relic]> I did find the slide creator in libreoffice but can't seem to find a batch importer for the text
[04:23] <valorie> i used the one built into google docs last time I needed something
[04:24] <valorie> didn't want to learn how to use the slide creator
[09:20] <lokem> hi all, i'm using kubuntu 18.04.  after the last system update 2 days ago, pressing Alt-F4 to close windows has resulted in KDE dropping back to terminal.  As though I've pressed Ctrl-Alt-F1.  Is this a known bug or some config which has gone haywire?
 @lokem, I had the same issue but today after update and reboot it dissapeared
[11:40] <lokem> @TaurohtaRR, hmm... alright.  Let me try rebooting.  There isn't any new packages to update
[11:40] <lokem> Thanks
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