| mwhudson | Unit193: apparently not | 00:55 |
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| mwhudson | Unit193: i pressed it again | 00:56 |
| Unit193 | I can assure you that xfce4-terminal didn't break apport, the latter doesn't depend on the former at all and the former doesn't even have an apport hook. | 00:56 |
| Unit193 | mwhudson: Thanks. | 00:56 |
| mwhudson | it's failed a few times | 00:57 |
| mwhudson | on other packages too | 00:57 |
| mwhudson | bdmurray: how much do you love the apport autopkgtests? | 00:57 |
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| Unit193 | mwhudson: Thanks again btw, that did it. | 03:04 |
| mwhudson | Unit193: happy to help/click | 04:00 |
| rbasak | juliank: are you planning on merging multipath-tools? Or do you think that should be a server thing? | 06:30 |
| juliank | rbasak: I certainly wouldn't complain if server merges it. It's unlikely I'm going to do it this or next week | 06:32 |
| * juliank is in taiwan at deb{camp,conf} | 06:33 | |
| rbasak | juliank: the delta seems pretty extensive :-/ | 06:44 |
| rbasak | I'm not sure whether to look at this right now or focus on some other merges instead | 06:44 |
| juliank | rbasak: Some of our patches were merged in Debian, but most not I guess. Is there anything urgent needing 0.7.7? | 06:45 |
| rbasak | juliank: not that I'm aware - I'm only asking from the general merge status PoV. | 06:49 |
| juliank | rbasak: well, I can take a look at it, I don't think it's a huge amount of work for me | 06:53 |
| juliank | I want to do some apt work this week, but that stuff is more annoying | 06:53 |
| rbasak | juliank: well I'm not going to stop you volunteering :) | 06:54 |
| rbasak | juliank: looks like it'd take me much longer than you as I'm unfamiliar. | 06:54 |
| juliank | rbasak: I tried to git-ubuntu merge but it cherry picked an empty commit for 0.7.4-2ubuntu1 instead of the commits that it should actually pick... | 07:03 |
| rbasak | juliank: yeah it's because the old upload had the old imported history. We don't have "hash stability" for imports yet. | 07:07 |
| rbasak | juliank: you can work around by using git-rebase manually to strip out everything and get to the "reconstruct" tag yourself | 07:07 |
| rbasak | Then "git ubuntu tag --reconstruct" and carry on as normal | 07:07 |
| juliank | I fear this is going to take a few days with git-ubuntu vs a few minutes with MoM | 07:14 |
| rbasak | Why do you think so? | 07:15 |
| rbasak | Fixing the reconstruct tag should be straightforward. I can do that part for you if you like? Any reason it'll take longer after that? | 07:15 |
| juliank | MoM is grab-merge quilt push -a and fix patches no longer applying | 07:16 |
| juliank | that's trivial | 07:16 |
| rbasak | git ubuntu is git-rebase and fix the conflicts :) | 07:16 |
| juliank | git-ubuntu is a lot more complicated as always | 07:16 |
| rbasak | It's the same as MoM really IMHO - except that you can do each bit of delta one at a time instead of looking at the whole thing as a single lump, which IMHO is error-prone. | 07:17 |
| juliank | I have no idea how the reconstruct tag should look like | 07:17 |
| juliank | What I ended up with was the logical tag | 07:18 |
| rbasak | If you have a logical tag, then don't worry about reconstruct/deconstruct. | 07:18 |
| juliank | cccccchdhcrkbujhrudjuhbnlvrkrgrijfuvkhfvduiv | 07:18 |
| rbasak | reconstruct/deconstruct are really just steps to get to the logical tag in the workflow. | 07:19 |
| juliank | And rebasing that on top of debian/sid gives you a lot more conflicts than MoM would | 07:19 |
| rbasak | I only need them when reviewing if the logical tag is wrong somehow, in order to figure out how it became wrong. | 07:19 |
| rbasak | Then MoM would be hiding errors. | 07:20 |
| juliank | It just does merges | 07:20 |
| rbasak | When we started using this workflow, we found dozens of packages with previous merge mistakes caused by people using MoM without doing a proper review that the result was correct. | 07:20 |
| * juliank cloned again and restarts | 07:20 | |
| rbasak | Just because there aren't any merge conflicts doesn't mean that there aren't merge errors. | 07:21 |
| juliank | Pretty sure it does | 07:23 |
| rbasak | Pretty sure it doesn't. I'll have to come up with an example failure case for you, though not right now as it'll take some thought. | 07:23 |
| rbasak | Applying patches is blind. If the context fits, then it'll tell you it applied. | 07:24 |
| rbasak | But depending on what changed upstream, you could have something apply but still be wrong. | 07:24 |
| juliank | I know. | 07:24 |
| rbasak | MoM hides all of that in one big blob of delta. | 07:25 |
| juliank | But let's look at a simple case | 07:25 |
| rbasak | What we found was that previous uploaders were treating it as "well MoM worked so I'll upload it" | 07:25 |
| juliank | I added the line [ ! -f kpartx/dm-parts.rules ] || cp kpartx/dm-parts.rules debian/kpartx.dm-parts.udev | 07:25 |
| juliank | in a commit | 07:25 |
| juliank | that was merged in Debian | 07:25 |
| juliank | but in rebasing, I now get a merge conflict | 07:26 |
| rbasak | So git rebase --skip | 07:26 |
| juliank | because in a later commit (also merged) I added the line [ ! -f kpartx/del-part-nodes.rules ] || cp kpartx/dm-parts.rules debian/kpartx.del-part-nodes.udev on top of it | 07:26 |
| rbasak | Oh | 07:27 |
| rbasak | Then your logical is wrong | 07:27 |
| rbasak | You want to have squashed those two things together | 07:27 |
| juliank | They are different thing | 07:27 |
| juliank | one commit is install dm-parts, the other is install del-part-nodes | 07:27 |
| rbasak | Oh, in two separate lines? | 07:27 |
| juliank | The result is that, yes, I need to skip the patch as it was merged in Debian, but it's not entirely obvious | 07:28 |
| rbasak | git rebase --skip | 07:28 |
| rbasak | You need to have identified that you are dropping it | 07:28 |
| rbasak | The typical MoM mistake we see in this case is that the changelog gets copied blindly forward ("Remaining changes: still adding the line" (even though you no longer are)) | 07:28 |
| rbasak | If you do the changelog right, then you need to be aware that you skipped. | 07:29 |
| rbasak | If you're aware that you're skipping it, then "git rebase --skip" should be obvious) | 07:29 |
| juliank | Well, I did not know I was about to drop it form the diff immediately | 07:30 |
| juliank | It just confused me | 07:30 |
| rbasak | The workflow does involve a different way of thinking. | 07:30 |
| rbasak | For each commit in logical: do I still need it? Does it apply? | 07:31 |
| rbasak | At the time of rebasing | 07:31 |
| rbasak | But my point is that this is thinking you need to do with MoM anyway for the reuslt to be correct. Just that uploaders weren't doing that. | 07:32 |
| tarzeau | it's really cool that https://popcon.ubuntu.com/ is updated again. but is it really true that there's more i386 Ubuntu users than amd64 Ubuntu users that have popularity-contest installed and activated? | 10:43 |
| Unit193 | tarzeau: Ubuntu doesn't advertise popcon at all. | 10:44 |
| tarzeau | Unit193: since which year? | 10:44 |
| tarzeau | Unit193: the package is however still available in the archives up to today | 10:44 |
| Unit193 | Yes it is available. | 10:45 |
| tarzeau | Unit193: maybe it should be removed from cosmic cuttlefish on? | 10:46 |
| infinity | Removing it from the distro doesn't remove it from people's machines, mind you. :P | 10:46 |
| tarzeau | or updated to report back to popcon.debian.org since they have a distro stats part now? https://popcon.debian.org/ | 10:46 |
| tarzeau | infinity: but gives you the possibility to remove it with updated packages | 10:47 |
| themill | no, please don't report to a different distro; we've been through that one before | 11:38 |
| seb128 | tarzeau, what issue are you trying to solve by removing it from Ubuntu? | 11:53 |
| tarzeau | seb128: negative, i won't solve anything that way. | 11:55 |
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| GunnarHj | infinity: Thanks for the latest console-setup change. It will certainly improve it a bit. I'll evaluate it more carefully once 18.04.1 has been released. | 13:25 |
| infinity | GunnarHj: Yeah, I'll backport that to bionic too, just won't be on point-release media. | 13:26 |
| infinity | GunnarHj: But since it's really an upgrade issue, not an install issue, that should be fine. | 13:26 |
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