[00:55] <sonicwind> I'm reading about usb-c and Thunderbolt 3... very confused, but wondering if Ubuntu supports these yet?
[01:11] <oerheks> sonicwind, i believe so, maybe not hot pluggable..
[01:11] <sonicwind> thanks
[01:11] <oerheks> chrome 68 is out, the http issues will appear
[01:12] <sonicwind> I don't use chrome :-)
[01:12] <oerheks> hmmm the 1st page i try, works fine > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[01:12] <oerheks> :-D
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[02:45] <hggdh> some people do not, really, want to be helped
[02:46] <leftyfb> :)
[02:46] <leftyfb> isn't his first time
[02:47] <leftyfb> "Yeah, it doesn't show the date in a logical format"   love the personal "facts"
[04:39] <Unicorn_Princess> test
[04:43] <Unicorn_Princess> Sorry about that. Anyway, just popped in her to mention that the software update for ubuntu 18.04 LTS opened a window asking me to choose a method for toggling between national and Latin mode. And before that, it asked me to choose what to do about a 20auto-update file, that was supposedly altered on my machine. these are really weird questions for what is normally an uneventful process. there should
[04:43] <Unicorn_Princess> probably be some extra text explaining why they're there
[04:45] <Unicorn_Princess> (for the record, I never manually altered the 20auto-update file that's somewhere in /usr/ or something, but I think I did change the auto-update settings in software center maybe)
[04:47] <Unicorn_Princess> laters
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> !info base-files
[05:20] <ubot5> base-files (source: base-files): Debian base system miscellaneous files. In component main, is required. Version 10.1ubuntu2.1 (bionic), package size 56 kB, installed size 375 kB
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds
[05:55]  * lotuspsychje purges some packages
[05:57] <tsimonq2> "Teach your cat how to use a USB stick." -Adam Conrad
[05:57] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-July/004529.html
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> i know a few guys with cats...:p
[06:01] <tsimonq2> doeeeet
[06:07] <Olivier[m]> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hi Olivier[m]
[06:30] <ducasse> good morning
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2 needs luna ducasse lol
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: think we have a few same comedians again in main
[06:34] <guiverc> is that vogan poetry ??  (hhgttg)
[06:35] <guiverc> s/vogan/vogon  (been a long time since i read the book..)
[06:35] <ducasse> it's some moron who thinks he's a genius because he wrote a chatbot
[07:10] <Olivier[m]> 👋
[07:37] <Olivier[m]> How are you all?
[10:16] <blackflow> Okay, how the hell does this thing work. How does clock sources work in VMs. I've turned off all ntp/timesync in a VM to see if kvm-clock sourced from the host would be enough. The host (is a host, of course, of course) has ntp active.
[10:16] <blackflow> Turns out.... the VM has been SHUT OFF for a few days.... Turns out, time's off. what the f. it's been off. what fell out of sync if the VM was off.
[10:17] <blackflow> timedatectl shows "RTC time" one second ahead of universal/local. so.... what was tracking universal/local, while the VM was off, that it drifted for one whole second.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: can this help in any way? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83934/how-do-i-prevent-time-drift-in-a-debian-guest-on-a-centos-kvm-host
[10:35] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: not quite. I know how that part works. That's why I'm totally failing to understand how can a VM that has been shut off for days, drift at all. The VM wasn't running, there's no memory location kept for its virtualized clock. The host has been rebooted several times since.
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: last answer say heavy cpu can make it drift too
[10:36] <oerheks> time for +R
[10:36] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: but _what_ drifts if the VM was off? :)
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: how about this: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/avoiding-clock-drift-vms
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> not sure how offline happens..
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> bad sync maybe?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> it cant work if its off right
[10:40] <blackflow> precisely, and time on the host is correct.
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> ##networking might know this one
[10:41] <blackflow> Oh I think I know what it is, and I have to research this further to confirm. The system clock on the host is NOT synced back to hardware until reboot. VMs get time from hardware for their own system clock. host's system clock might be correct because it's syncing via ntp, but that doesn't update hardware and thus VMs don't have the corrections.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> that sounds logical
[10:42] <blackflow> If so.... incredibly stupid and someone should be fired for that desing. Hell, no, sent to quartz mines for the rest of their lives.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:43] <blackflow> and you know who taht is? I'm using systemd-timesyncd on the host.......  :)))
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:44] <blackflow> gonna go back to openntpd for a while, see how that works.
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> bbl smoked salmon salad a la lotus
[10:44] <blackflow> YUMMY
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:44] <jink> :D
[10:48] <blackflow> okay assumptions half-confirmed. restarting timesyncd on the host automagically corrected the time in the VM.
[10:53] <blackflow> hrm.... no, not openntpd. chrony. openntpd on linux doesn't do constraints apparently. so no advantage there.
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[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:05] <daftykins> heya \o
[12:06] <daftykins> just sitting down to call it lunch :D
[12:07] <oerheks> BluesKaj, \0/
[12:08] <oerheks> do you have a rolling board ? https://imgur.com/gallery/ApHeDbb
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, just having mornng coffee here, looks like a gorgeous day here
[12:08] <oerheks> * shorts optional
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[12:09] <BluesKaj> heh,neat idea
[12:09] <daftykins> :D
[12:10] <daftykins> about to be some 33 deg C heat tomorrow and no AC in this place, so i'm going to escape south to visit a friend and his wife
[12:13] <BluesKaj> good move :-)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> our house became practically unbearable in the heat waves that started 10 yrs ago here, so we installed an AC unit...works quite well. It makes our living space much more comfortable.
[12:20] <daftykins> mmm i'd love one, though normally it's only a few days a year that are only slightly challenging - and the ground floor is fine due to having several feet thick granite walls
[12:21] <BluesKaj> right
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[14:18] <blackflow> JimBuntu: Found this, but I can't find a source on the DNS and bit flips ....  https://www.geek.com/chips/googles-most-efficient-data-center-runs-at-95-degrees-1478473/
[14:25] <JimBuntu> blackflow, I should be able to find an article or two. There was at least one group who exploited this by buying up domain names that were 1 bit different from their popular counterparts.
[14:39] <blackflow> ohlol
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> 34c today here
[17:56] <pauljw> hi everyone
[17:59] <oerheks> hi pauljw , any hot news?
[17:59]  * oerheks runs for the shade
[18:03] <pauljw> heheh, hi oerheks, no news here.  I lead a very boring life.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> thats where we showup to spice things up :p
[18:05] <pauljw> :D
[18:06] <pauljw> Just got in from getting my daughter registered for school, can't believe she's a high school senior this year!
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> congrats pauljw
[18:07] <pauljw> :)
[18:17] <nacc> lol
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> wth..
[18:17] <nacc> i'm concluding it was trolling
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> that resulted fast
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> low support & rising trolls are the worst
[18:20] <Bashing-om> Lost interest in supporting qwebircXXXX - he does not seem to put a lot of effort into the learning curve .
[18:21] <nacc> yeah, it was weird
[18:21] <nacc> and honestly, it's weird they were putting a GUI on a tensorflow machine
[18:21] <oerheks> this is wanna make me stop helping qwebirc dudes, if they don't change the name, they are fake
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> the weird thing is, sometimes 1 is real out of them
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> how can we filter properly..
[18:21] <oerheks> ask them to change name, and wait
[18:22] <nacc> it's also really hard to help them over multiple days without a distinct nick
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> thats true for sure
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> we should complain on qweb itself, they need to force usernames fill in
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> lemme check that site
[18:26] <nacc> oerheks: i pinged the ops
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> they are playing with each other again
[18:28] <oerheks> nacc,  thanks, i just ignore that dude, and his ip from now on, i have a list :-D
[18:28] <nacc> oerheks: yeah i do too, but for everyone else
[18:30] <oerheks> i would love to write my own python program, that recognize ip/nicks and some marking/info details, but then again, that violates GDRP
[18:30] <oerheks> sort of plugin for hexcaht
[18:32] <oerheks> ... and some helpers have a fanclup, nacc :-D
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> what a fishy website qwebirc..
[18:33] <oerheks> lotus, they come to this site, i guess https://webchat.freenode.net/
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: with the client?
[18:35] <oerheks> web client yes
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> some wish about it: https://github.com/qwebirc/qwebirc/issues/265
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> i guess someone would have to file a new wish
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> what a weird thing, download a git client to access the freenode webchat?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> and have a fishy john doe username lol
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/qwebirc/qwebirc/issues/359
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> there
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they work fast on the git :p
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