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[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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 @acheronuk so ... dh porting went mostly fine http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_frameworks.html if that's ok I would like to push the changes and rebuild the packages in the staging PPA's. Note there's just a few packages which I didn't change because that would yield some autopkgtests regressions
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 @Santa, ack. sounds reasonable
[16:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #173 for job mgmt_pause_integration (previous build: ABORTED)
 ok, pausing ci and pushing
 Flatpaks are dumb to install. Even if you have the repo for it already installed
 @ngraham[m], Flatpaks are dumb to install. Even if you have the repo for it already installed
 @Valoriez for AppImages just right click, properties, set as executable, double click to run. That's it. But it's not intuitive for sure.
 A more detailed explanation of using an AppImage. https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/80
[17:21] <ngraham[m]> "dumb to install" is not exactly informative
 snap install appname = good … flatpak install flathub org.telegram.desktop = dumb
 That's assuming everything including flathub is already set up.
 And that's the "simplified" version of doing it
[17:25] <ngraham[m]> all command-line methods of installing things are for experts; that hardly matters
[17:26] <ngraham[m]> regular people should use GUI tools
 It's not for experts when the gui tools require anything done by the user to set it up.
 The is another method of Flatpak install and one of the more common methods … flatpak install https://flathub.org/repo/appstream/org.gimp.GIMP.flatpakref
[17:29] <ngraham[m]> not sure how any of this is relevant to Kubuntu anyway; we support all three and I don't think anyone objected to your proposal to make AppImages more user-friendly
 I think it's sad that all the gui tools ignore some kind of package. … All of them ignore AppImage.
[17:30] <ngraham[m]> if we want to make Flatpak more user-friendly, we could easily ship Discover with the Flatpak backend and Flathub added by default
 @ngraham[m], It's relevant due to the comments made by valorie. … There was a slight bit of questioning as to why bother with AppImage.
 @ngraham[m], I think that should be done if Discover supports it
[17:31] <ngraham[m]> Discover surely does
 I knew it was experimental but is it a stable option now?
[17:32] <ngraham[m]> and I fully intend to propose that for Kubuntu once Flathub and Discover's Flatpak backend are a bit more mature
[17:33] <ngraham[m]> is there any such thing as "stable" in the world of Linux software? :p
[17:33] <ngraham[m]> I mean, it works great for me
 Lol fair enough
[17:33] <ngraham[m]> it has bugs, but so does everything
[17:42] <ngraham[m]> it's definitely getting better though
[20:03] <valorie> I agree that we should ship it enabled, as long as that isn't a bit patch we need to maintain
[20:03] <valorie> big
[20:41] <ngraham[m]> it shouldn't be a patch at all; just a few tweaks in the packaging I think
[21:22] <valorie> ngraham[m]: how about phabbing it?
[21:22] <valorie> so we don't forget
[22:54] <ngraham[m]> I'm not ready to make the recommendation yet TBH
[22:55] <ngraham[m]> once I feel like Discover is up to snuff, I'll do it 🙂
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[23:42] <valorie> ok