[00:22] blackflow: i got no (16.04 -> 18.01) upgrade offer here, yet, even with -c [00:22] you mean -d ? [00:22] -c, --check-dist-upgrades [00:22] Check if a new Ubuntu release is available [00:23] oh, yes. [00:23] -d would be all wrong [00:23] hrm, well someone said earlier it's already available [00:23] an i meant 16.04 -> 18.04.1 of course [00:23] maybe it dpeends on your mirror servers [00:24] I know bionic already has the upgrade since yesterday at least. [00:25] here it is 26th, so that would be nice [00:26] not yet published [00:26] http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ [00:27] # ubuntu-releaseparty :-D [00:35] you mean #ubuntu-release-party here on Freenode? [00:43] uhh, yes [00:43] it is an "update" release-party [05:48] good morning to all [05:52] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds [05:52] seems like some good testing going on [05:52] tsimonq2: happy with my cats? :p [06:05] good morning [06:58] hey guiverc [07:52] howdy lotuspsychje - sorry [i was] out with the birds :) [07:52] i love birds :p [07:52] dont have to be sorry mate, im used to the idle game [07:52] i know you there [07:53] alas i do mean feathered [winged] birds :( [10:52] Has anyone ever used Modern Honey Network? [10:59] Hi all [11:15] so... no one else gonna yell at me and stop me from suggesting this, saying Noooo, consolekit is normal on Xenial? :) am I correct that consolekit is out of place on Xenial? [11:17] blackflow, while it's available in universe, it's not default installed on Desktop, unsure about server, but doubt it's default there either [11:17] wonder if it's in the repos, it's not there on bionic [11:18] it's not default on my xenial server, no [11:18] it's in the repos for xenial and artful and yes, in universe. so I guess removing console won't break their system (help in #ubuntu)... it's my guess that it's messing their user group in session, conflicting with logind. [11:18] 'Morning JimBuntu, blackflow, ducasse [11:18] o/ [11:19] apt -s remove consolekit showed nothing else pulled out, so.... I guess that'll fix it. [11:19] top o' the mornin' to ya, BluesKaj [11:19] g'morning BluesKaj, ducasse, blackflow and the rest ( even if it's not morning where you are ) [11:20] it's alwyas morning somewhere ;) [11:26] much needed rain here ..we have major forest fires in Northern Ontario [11:33] forecast here says super-hot tomorrow, then heavy rain in the weekend. only had a couple of days with light rain this summer, so it's needed. [11:36] we can smell fire smoke here with an east or south wind, been smokey for days now [11:48] what does ctl+F4 do? someone over at #kubuntu used it to exit his game and now grub is in a loop and unable to login to the OS..looks like he's dual booting with windows [11:49] BluesKaj, in 16.04 I don't see ctrl+F4 doing anything by default [11:50] ctrl? iirc alt+F4 is the shortcut to close the window [11:50] (on windows at least) [11:50] ctrl+F4 will close a tab in Chrome much like ctrl+w will. [11:50] ok, he didn't say whether he was running the game in windows or kubunru...I'll ask him [11:51] ah good old days of trolling noobs in online games with "Press Alt+F4 for cheatcodes!" [11:51] bah, he left [11:51] Grub issues after closing a game sounds unrelated [11:52] or login issues for that matter. [11:52] yeah, makes sense [11:52] Now... if they said that they just installed the game and also installed GPU software/mods/drivers... now that would make sense [11:56] also we have a bot attacks from various IPs with that pedophile blog url claiming it's posted by a freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' [11:57] err bot attacks - plural [11:58] I have seen this. Some information has been provided by others to freenode regarding the IPs/etc [11:59] the IPs are all different [12:00] morning :-) [12:01] 'Morning oerheks [12:01] \o oerheks [12:02] hi BluesKaj ducasse [12:02] some of the Ips are from places like China, Azerbaijan [13:26] morning folks [13:26] 'Morning hggdh [14:10] oooh, new steam haz big picture mode now on linux! [14:11] it had that for years? [14:12] tomreyn: on linux? [14:12] yes [14:12] pretty sure it's had that since 2010 [14:12] hrm..... why do I distinctly remember it saying it wasn't available for linux... [14:12] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-login-to-steam-big-picture-mode-in-ubuntu [14:12] article from 2012 [14:13] huh. [14:13] anyway, yay. Now I can whip up a custom DE that's actually steam big picture mode. [14:14] or more precisely, steam big pciture mode only login session. [14:14] https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download/?ver=custom [14:15] there's already an installer of SteamOS [14:15] no need to install it on top of ubuntu and customize anything [14:15] but I want that on my 'buntu? [14:16] I don't want another OS I want a login session that's only steam. login -> steam -> exit -> gdm3 login [14:16] want what? [14:17] blackflow: I don't think that exists yet, you could create a local user account with the window manager it logs into setup to autolaunch a script that would launch steam, and when you exit steam would log out of the DE session [14:17] pragmaticenigma: ability to log into steam big picture mode straight, and then log out back to gdm login prompt, straight [14:17] blackflow: It's possible with a script that executes at login of the desktop session. [14:17] pragmaticenigma: yeah I was looking into doing something liek that via openbox or something, but I think I can make it work without an wm [14:18] surely after getting games working under Linux you're so tired you have no time for messing with the interface ;D [14:18] blackflow: That part I'm uncertain of, the wm is what exposes elements an application needs in order to write to the compsitor and X11 [14:19] blackflow: concensous of the internet says it's not currently possible. many point here: https://github.com/thor27/steam-login/ [14:19] daftykins: what doy ou mean, all my games JustWork(tm). I only had some trouble understanding and getting vulkan under wine for DooM, there was a problem with audio for Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, and I can't get Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus to run properly all under wine. [14:21] blackflow: even applications like KODI/XBMC require some window manager running to launch into their full screen sessions. [14:21] pragmaticenigma: well then a modified openbox or something it is. as long as I can get the wm stay out of the picture. [14:21] :) [14:21] that's rubbish, kodi has a standalone mode [14:21] that's what I would recommend, find a low resource window manager, that you can have autolaunch a script [14:22] daftykins: well I'm thinking steam would too, as the big picture mode is actually an exclusive opengl context. [14:22] well, we'll see. [14:23] daftykins: Standalone mode for KODI enables the system shutdown and power management controls. It still uses a slimmed down wm underneath [14:23] I once managd to run firefox directly under xorg and that worked. the menu didn't and I'm guessing because they required wm or higher level somethings [14:23] that's splitting hairs [14:24] blackflow: Window managers are what offer hooks for window decorations (Min/max/close) and menu options. Not all applications use them, and some define their own [14:25] I know and that's the thing. steam big picture mode is a completely separtae fullscreen opengl context. [14:26] blackflow: on the surface it may appear that way... underneath, it told the window manager "Please don't decorate me, and just display me taking the entire window" [14:26] I'll be sure to report here my findings :) [14:28] Did #ubuntu finally start requiring registration? [14:28] pragmaticenigma: I guess it's a temporary measure due to those #freenodegate botrolls [14:29] yay! they were getting vicious yesterday [14:29] #ubuntu-server is still infested with them [14:31] I hit limbo since hexchat tried to join the room before it had identified [14:37] good afternoon to all [14:38] o/ [14:38] oerheks: I'll keep -R so I can report them [14:39] hey blackflow leftyfb tomreyn oerheks [14:39] hello lotuspsychje [14:39] what's #freenodegate [14:39] leftyfb, me too, ofcourse [14:39] nicomachus, lonely people channel? [14:39] nicomachus: those spammers setup a fishy wordpress blog [14:40] how / where do you report? [14:40] oh. [14:40] still no 18.04.1. :/ [14:40] #freenode [14:40] tomreyn: I just post in #freenode. The ops still see it and appreciate it [14:40] nicomachus, i am already on 18.04.1 ... [14:40] it's really only a number getting bumped on a given day :) [14:41] I'm still on xenial. waiting for the upgrade path. [14:41] i never know what they appreciate and what they dont [14:41] so i wont join [14:41] thanks for explaining [14:41] tomreyn: I agree, but for this case, I think they're doing an ok job [14:42] yes, it's a lot of work and they handle it fine [14:42] ive reported some nmap scan results on those spammers ip to freenode staff, and they were glad [14:42] got the same issue on another network [14:42] this attack is huge, the botnet is huge [14:42] someone has an entire axe factory to grind with those two staffers it seems. [14:42] new clients keep coming, with never before seen ips [14:44] ircd's is always war :p [14:48] how to stop these bot pms? [14:48] /umode +R [14:49] oh they're PM-ing now? [14:49] Set /umode +R if you're getting tons of nonsensical PMs [14:49] yep [14:49] holy cow. [14:49] and just at .1 day lol [14:49] .. i put a spell on them, oke? [14:50] banish them to hell and then we'll take over! mwahahaha! [14:50] lol [14:51] ok works now , I was marked away and it wasn't working :-) [15:04] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds [15:05] 3 bugs on kubuntu amd64 [15:06] server iso's seems not ready [15:08] wow, just realized I have 11 PMs related to the spammers [15:08] loll [15:08] JimBuntu: did you think it were your freinds first? [15:09] i seem to have 0 friends :( [15:09] ayy I got my first PM. [15:09] TBH, I wasn't even paying attention to the DMs. I only DM with a few people and I didn't recognize the names. [15:10] perhaps the used irc server software could benefit from some input message filtering and shadowbanning. [15:11] you might want to consider setting yourselves +R [15:12] they now are going to a different route: join a channel, get the channel user's list, distribute it, and spam [15:12] ah [15:13] hggdh: on whole freenode? [15:13] lotuspsychje: I do not know -- I am not staff, and #f is currently moderated [15:13] kk [15:13] hggdh: yea I set +R after the first one. I thought I already had it before that but I guess I removed it after the last round of PM spam [15:13] but I know this is going on on different IRC networks [15:14] (my default it +R, set on connection to the network) [15:16] lotuspsychje: but I have seen the spam (and been told) that it is going on in a lot of channels [15:16] ok [15:18] there are basically two options, channel-wise: /mode +q $~a; or mode +r [15:18] so, if any of you moderates a channel, you might want to consider that [15:19] the first one allows unregistered users to join, but they a re quieted; the second blocks unregistered users from joining [15:19] I'd add, use +g if they start using registered accounts. [15:19] okay tnx hggdh [15:19] so... the first one allows harversting of nick [15:19] oerheks: what does that /umode +R command do? [15:20] blackflow: yes indeed. But +g also allows for staff kills [15:20] hggdh: sorry, for what? [15:20] a freenode staff can kill the registration [15:20] ugh! [15:20] the other way [15:21] I receive spam from a registered account, I can go to #f and show it to staff [15:21] I meant usermode +g aka no PM unless you explicitly /accept or PM first, that other nick [15:22] blackflow: yes, that will work. I, though assume that if you went thru the trouble of registering, you are not really willing to lose the registration due to spamming others [15:22] so I go -g [15:23] registration is automatic, can be even scripted. these attackers seem to have huge motivation for wathever reason to do what they're doing [15:24] well, yeah. Still waking up, I guess. For whatever weird, and probably freudian, reason, I was thinking the whole time about cloaks, and writing about registration. Sorry [15:30] * lotuspsychje_ slides a cold icecoffee to hggdh === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [15:32] are the sites they are sending have anything even worth looking at? (asking for a friend) [15:32] pragmaticenigma, nope [15:34] pragmaticenigma: pretty much what is currently called "fake news", to say, assertions with no provenance. But they state it is "a fact", so I saw many posting about it and stating it was a fact, and etc [15:35] (may $deity forbid their poor dumb souls) [15:35] export deity="Tux" [15:35] better saying assertions with no, or dubious, provenance [15:40] wonder what the campaign is all about then... why the spread of this is going on [15:41] ircd's are always war pragmaticenigma [15:41] always someone in a fight with someone else [15:46] also, see https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack [15:46] lotuspsychje, let's fight! [15:46] lol JimBuntu [15:47] JimBuntu: where's my wonga's for the rabbits i catched for you [15:48] * JimBuntu sends lotuspsychje loads of wongas [15:48] tnx for the link hggdh [15:48] usefull rss on there [15:50] weird thing about these domains is that one of them (bryan....) has been reg'd back in 2016. [15:54] it's an old fight [15:54] seems like it JimBuntu [16:28] so if I enabled user mode +g ... how do I accept a message from someoen? [16:30] nm [17:38] https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-bionic-beaver-officially-released-download-now-522124.shtml [17:39] and published http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ [17:40] tnx oerheks [17:40] not yet on ubuntu.com [17:40] i spammed too [17:40] lolz [17:40] progressive spam :p [17:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/18.04.1 [17:45] full changes list [17:46] Mmmm... spam [17:47] !isitout [17:47] Yes, it's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party :) [17:47] hehe [17:47] jesus what a bug list lol [17:48] I think the one everyone is interested in is the login loop fix and black screen issues [17:54] Hey lotuspsychje, I have a question. How the heck do I get magnet links? :P [17:54] I'm updating Lubuntu.me and my artwork guy usually does this, so I don't know how he gets them... :P [17:55] tsimonq2: with a torrent client [17:56] transmission does it [17:57] lotuspsychje: Can I get the magnets for Lubuntu 18.04.1 i386 and amd64 desktop images? [17:57] I haven't used a torrent client in a year, easily. :P [17:57] tsimonq2: with 'get' you mean download right? [17:57] http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%3D%DF_c3IJO%23%CC%CB%FB%D4%16c%82M%5B%40%97 [17:57] http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%BE%7Bb%C4%C6R%0EA%BF%CC%81%D9%16%AD%E4%90%ED%06%3DC [17:58] or create a magnet link? [17:58] I mean, a link like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso [17:58] grr [17:58] I mean [17:58] magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5c8dae8e82fbd6d9a6fca7ed7680a5c281404555&dn=lubuntu-18.04-desktop-i386.iso [17:59] tsimonq2: transmission picks up magnet links when click [17:59] ah [17:59] * tsimonq2 tries [18:00] oh, mine didn't work ? [18:00] Ah, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:be7b62c4c6520e41bfcc81d916ade490ed063d43&dn=lubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso [18:00] qbittorrent did it also [18:00] picked up your link, just tested [18:02] tsimonq2: https://imgur.com/a/FeMpH7o [18:02] 'open torrent link' [18:04] ack [18:04] Thanks [18:04] no sweat tsimonq2 [18:05] https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ [18:05] nice work mate! [18:05] Thanks :) [18:06] we will spread the word its up tsimonq2 [18:07] oerheks: you gonna seed again? [18:07] https://lubuntu.me/bionic-1-released/ [18:07] lotuspsychje: Please use that link for Lubuntu :) [18:08] allrighty, nice blog [18:09] tsimonq2: by the way, got some customers on bionic lubuntu that feel real good about it [18:09] lotuspsychje: awesome :) [18:10] !18.04.1 [18:12] lotuspsychje: What kind of customers, by the way? [18:12] tsimonq2: im running an ubuntu webshop in belgium, with mostly xenial users but also early bionic with samsung 850 pro ssd's only [18:13] tsimonq2: some older machines needed lubuntu xenial & bionic [18:13] i showed my windows-music-hardware-freak-neighbour some software in our repos, feel like a priest healing a poor soul [18:13] lotuspsychje: Nice :) [18:14] tsimonq2: till now i found xenial lubuntu best so far, now bionic is equal [18:14] Ah. [18:14] tsimonq2: so great work :p [18:15] Thanks :) [18:15] lotuspsychje: Right now it's just me on Lubuntu [18:16] We have some contributors that come in and out, and we've seen a lot of people translating, but otherwise the dev work has been me... [18:16] tsimonq2: are you looking for contributers? [18:17] lotuspsychje: Another developer who knows packaging and C++ development would be nice. [18:17] Of course, someone who can pick up knowledge easily and is willing to pour a lot of time into learning would be good too. [18:17] not an easy task finding :p [18:18] tsimonq2: want me to ask the UWN guys to add it you seek new devs? [18:18] tsimonq2: or make a blog first on it? [18:18] something we can spread [18:19] I'll put it in our next weekly newsletter [18:19] cool [18:26] good to know, i run into lubuntu fans daily [18:26] \o/ [18:26] lotuspsychje, oerheks: When 18.04.1 comes out, it would be cool to get feedback from people who use it. :) [18:26] tsimonq2: ill remember that [18:27] Also, in all reality, I have no idea whatsoever how many people use Lubuntu or who... [18:27] tsimonq2: cant that new stats help you on that? [18:27] No, we didn't get it integrated in time. [18:27] ah [18:28] now lubuntu is the latest supplier of 32 bit images... [18:28] yeah comes in real handy [18:28] So, I just work under the assumption that 100 people use it. That's it, just 100. :P [18:28] hmm the amd64 alternative (classic) server iso doesnt seem to have any peers, yet. [18:28] no way mate [18:28] I have to assume something, right? :) [18:29] Because like I said, I have no actual idea. [18:29] I don't know if it's 100,000 or if nobody actually uses it for anything anymore. [18:29] tsimonq2: how about download hits can those make a figure? [18:29] lotuspsychje: I don't have download hits. [18:30] Those aren't public. [18:30] ah [18:30] I mean, I could probably request them if I asked, but... [18:30] well its hard to guess then, but in belgium we have a lot of old boxes [18:31] The only actual thing I have is the people who viewed the release announcement. [18:31] there must be something to trace no? [18:31] 80,000 viewed the 18.04 announcement, but that doesn't guarantee downloads, especially with Lubuntu.net existing and f***ing everything up :((((( [18:31] Oh well. [18:32] lotuspsychje: Nope. [18:32] Nothing. [18:32] I plan on fixing this in 18.10 though. [18:32] We're (well, I'm) working on a welcome center that uses this by default. [18:32] cool [18:33] tsimonq2: im sure there still tons of lubuntu users worldwide [18:35] ive seen boxes in the wild in belgium with lubuntu on [18:35] in a share community [18:38] The thing is, that's not a quantitative number. :P [18:39] tsimonq2: we will know when we can measure :p [18:39] Yup. [18:39] tsimonq2: is this important to you to know? [18:40] i mean you consider quit project if it wasnt popular? [18:45] lotuspsychje: I want to see how much stress I should be having :P [18:45] I wouldn't quit. [18:45] ah lol [18:46] tsimonq2: your curious about how .1 rolls out in the wild thats it? [18:47] my grandma always says: if she says you are my only love, leave her [18:47] lol [18:47] hehe [18:48] i ask my chihuahua almost every day, to find a new home, but he would not leave. [18:48] i would go with him :-D [18:55] i would like to find the last alinea/part at the end 'enterprise ready installation guides helping hands' on top of the page https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads [18:59] would be nice oerheks [19:41] https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [19:42] yay good work teams [19:42] nice [19:45] Yup. looks real nice :) [19:47] .. no no shut up and be beautiful [19:48] simple is elegant :) [19:48] less is more [20:01] does the gui updater come out today or not? [20:01] lovepopsickle: this channel is for discussions [20:01] lovepopsickle: support in #ubuntu [20:01] i am having a discussion right now [20:21] lotuspsychje: .5 is out already, this machine is running it [20:22] oh [20:22] schedule says 15 aug? [20:26] so that aws kernel is oke [20:26] yeah [20:26] else he needs an aws image [20:26] .5 is 2nd aug [20:27] oerheks: he's playing with some different docker images, was his original issue [20:27] i dunno, but lsb_release reports 16.04.5 here [20:28] Hello! I was running kubernetes, which requires docker <= 1.13, and an apt upgrade accidentally bumped it to 1.17. Is there a way to downgrade back? [20:28] must been more early release ducasse tnx [20:29] anyway its nap time here [20:29] ttyl guys