[00:03] guess ill die [00:03] Orchula: depends. personally, i like to know what i'm doing and hosting providers' kernels are often poorly, if at all, documented. on the other hand, they may actually require you to run them, making vanilla kernels not work. but if you have the latter situation, i'd just change the hosting provider, this is not acceptable. [00:03] point release is schedualed for tomorrow, right? [00:05] yes, if it's the 25th for you now. [00:06] it is :P Im UTC-5 [00:06] Yeah true providers hardly document their stuff, I guess I shall go with Ubuntu kernel since I highly doubt there shouldn't be any problems but will see [00:08] Orchula, check your support contract [00:08] Don't even have a support contract, I'm stuck with kimsufi haha [00:10] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3RByxRGR9T/ [00:10] how do I install it non classic [00:13] visit https://snapcraft.io/android-studio and select 'other versions' and choose stable i guess [00:13] just the name android studio is not sufficient.. or go wild with the latest [00:13] it says under "stable" to run sudo snap install android-studio [00:14] that's exactly what I ran and I got that error message [00:14] did you run apt full-upgrade lately? [00:15] there might be a snapd hanging, or other packages [00:16] just ran it, same error. [00:19] then you ar ebound to the --classic option to get it [00:19] is that safe? [00:19] https://blog.linuxserver.io/2017/06/24/the-perfect-media-server-2017/ [00:22] any I/O advantage to mergerfs? <--what I am wondering? [00:22] leonardus, when you click one of them, the next screen gives a 'view in desktop store' button too [00:23] safe, it is published, and do you trust the author? the page gives a certain guarantee [00:43] hello [00:45] How do I tell 18.04 to forget a network I connected to once. (and never want again) [00:46] that's different. Just ask your question straightaway. [00:46] firefox doesnt start, I get an error that goes like: XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib/firefox/libmozgtk.so: [00:46] libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:46] Couldn't load XPCOM. [00:47] tripel3xb: (context?-) click on network icon -> edit connections [00:48] XPCOM give to ya I guess :( [00:49] firefox from where? [00:49] from where? [00:49] I tried to run it from the shortcut that Kubuntu had [00:50] then it starts and closes, then I typed "firefox" in the terminal and it gives me that error [00:51] different: which version is it? [00:51] latest version, uninstalled it and reinstalled it [00:51] different: Maybe: https://wordpress.padoka.org/2018/06/09/latest-mesa-breaks-wayland-workaround/ . [00:52] thank you, I was installing some mesa and wine stuff I think [00:53] thanks, that fixed my problem [00:53] is mesa going to be mad about me reinstalling that or both things will work properly? [00:54] different: If the package manager is happy, everybody is happy :) === Vilegent is now known as kk4ewt [00:55] aw yeah that [00:55] update manager had 4 updates after installing mesa wine and all that [00:56] clicked to update, and it wasn't installing anything [00:56] couldn't cancel [00:57] I did update from terminal, that installed 3 of them and they disappeared from the package manager [00:57] aw sorry update manager is different from package manager right? [00:58] should I install everything in package manager as well? [00:59] different: I am not too versed with the GUI . Terminal: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' . [01:01] I did that [01:01] but package manager has stuff not installed [01:02] different: pastebin the outputs of both commands . we see what you see then .. and better advise that way . [01:03] ok I am not sure what you are talking about [01:04] !paste | different [01:04] different: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:04] yes but bear in mind I couldn't open firefox [01:04] ;) [01:05] Bashing-om: ok man which commands do you want me to copy paste? [01:05] different: run: ' sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . the result is a URL back in terminal, pass that link back here . [01:07] Bashing-om : http://termbin.com/9y30 [01:07] Bashing-om : that's all that came as a result [01:10] Bashing-om : that's a list of my repositories ? [01:12] different: Is what the system is doing to sync up its database with that of repositories . Nor able to translate " Φέρε " but so far so good. next run: ' sudo apt upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . [01:13] Bashing-om: φερε is give or bring or sent [01:14] Bashing-om: I can't get Kubuntu to not use greek, that's an other problem I ve had so far.. [01:14] https://blog.linuxserver.io/2017/06/24/the-perfect-media-server-2017/ <-- is there an I/O advantage to using mergerfs [01:14] Bashing-om: I need to be able to write greek so I added it as my secondary input, and for some reason my OS is half english half greek [01:14] different: Good .. correct my last to ' sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' so if there are errors we get then too . [01:15] or do I have the functionality already through symlinks and Samba ? [01:15] Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8cgDB9Y94x/ [01:19] different: Not sure of what I am looking at - all Greek to me :P .. let's try this " LANG=C;sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . see if we get that in English . [01:20] Bashing-om: reading packet list, constructing dependency tree, reading summary of the current circumstance , calculating of the upgrade, the following packets were installed automatically and are not needed anymore -some links- use sudo apt autoremove to remove them ,the following NEW packets will get installed [01:20] Bashin-om: can you help me get my pc running english please? xD [01:21] different: we can try to get you on English .. once we are sure the package manager is consistent . [01:21] Bashin-om: it takes me a long time to translate this stuff and it gets in the way with you helping me I feel like [01:22] Bashing-om: aw.. the last thing you told me is not done yet [01:22] Bashing-om: I see it's asking me to press Y [01:24] Bashing-om: I force closed it === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:24] Bashing-om: I am getting this http://termbin.com/wjao [01:26] Bashing-om: so the command you told me to run is essentially sudo apt upgrade and then uploads the results to termbin.com ? [01:28] different: only one instance of the package manager can run at a given time, close out the sortware center and try the terminal again ( and could be that update manager is running in the background - then wait for it to finish ) . [01:29] different: Yes, but the system will wait there to be told what to do . [01:29] Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/mk5y [01:30] different: Yepper, we want to do that .. hit 'y' .. to "do it" :) [01:30] Bashing-om: Building instead of Constructing, reading summary of the currnet cirmustance =/= Reading state information xD I hate greek please sent help [01:32] different: when we have the package manager happy with the system . we see what we can do for the language . [01:32] Bashing-om: I can't hit y with your command, so I ll run the normal sudo apt upgrade [01:33] different: K. if the former instance is closed out . [01:33] Bashing-om the normal sudo apt upgrade doesn't show any package needed to be updated [01:33] different: :) Good, you have did the upgrades . [01:34] Bashing-om: ye I tried pressing a y bellow the link I supposed that did it [01:34] Bashing-om: can I get english now please? :P [01:35] Bashing-om: by the way I do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, is that different from sudo apt update/upgrade? [01:35] different: languages, what desktop are you using ? [01:35] Bashing-om: Kubuntu [01:36] different: Fo not know (k)ubuntu .. so we poke about .. try the ubus mentod to change languages: Ctrl + Space turns ibus on and Alt+Shift switches input languages . [01:37] Bashing-om: that does nothing, I can switch language with ctrl shift Z a shortcut I made [01:38] Bashing-om: the problem is my system's language is for some reason half english half greek [01:38] different: K; then try ' [01:38] sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ' . [01:40] Bashing-om: I got a list that says all locales aa_DJ ISO-8859-1 and some others simila to that [01:41] Bashing-om: for safety measures I want the system language to be english ok? :S I want greek to be gone.. [01:43] Bashing-om: anyways dude I need to go to sleep, I got driving lessons tomorrow and it's 5 am [01:43] Bashing-om: thanks for the help anyways [01:44] different: sure we can pick this back up after the sleep period . [01:44] Bashing-om: aw en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 is selected [01:45] Bashing-om: has an * in the box [01:45] different: K; next time we look at the keyboard layout . [01:45] Bashing-om: k dude since you spent the time to help me let's fix this [01:46] Bashing-om: I ll manage without sleep somehow.. [01:46] Bashing-om: el_GR.UTF-8 UTF-8 is also selected with an * in the box [01:48] Bashing-om: in keyboard layout I got both US and GR, I need to type in greek so I added it there was that a mistake? [01:49] different: while I think .. is this any similalr to KDE : https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-add-and-switch-keyboard-layout-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux . [01:50] that looks like system settings -> regional settings -> language [01:50] Should I be alarmed when apt reaches out to fetch files from IP hosts like this? [01:50] https://pastebin.com/YgzZEh8c [01:50] Bashing-om: that looks like system settings -> regional settings -> language [01:51] Bashing-om: I have American English and bellow it Greek [01:51] Bashing-om: if I remove it from there do I still keep my greek keyboard layout? [01:53] Bashing-om: shouldn't be selecting english since it's the first language and it's primary? [01:53] different: Hang on a bit and I find a better guide to switch languages . [01:54] Bashing-om: it's fine, I ll just remove greek from there thanks [01:54] Bashing-om: I believe I still get to keep my greek keyboard layout [01:54] Bashing-om: I ll do a restart [01:57] hello [01:57] I am back [01:58] Καληνυχτα seems like I can still type in greek [01:58] Bashing-om: well that fixed it, thanks a lot [01:58] so I'm trying to use vcpkg to install 3rd party libraries with c++ on ubuntu 16.04. I'm having trouble linking sdl2 with CMake. Here's my CMakeLists.txt: https://thepasteb.in/p/98hRXxgwXyoik When running make, I'm getting this error: https://thepasteb.in/p/2RhKX6pJW80I4 I'd love a pointer or two in the right direction :) [01:58] Bashing-om: goodnight [02:06] aeiou sometimes w and y === andreyrd is now known as _andreyrd [02:08] vowels === ChiLLabi- is now known as ChiLLabiS === Dreaman is now known as Blade === WoC- is now known as WoC [04:53] j #linux [04:59] What is the issue here(KDE env), when I mouseover withouth clicking or touching keyboard in the main application menu - it closes, every so often as if menu gets cancelled? It is not a mouse -- I tried external mouse, same thing happens [05:10] so I've set my GO path like so: GOPATH=$HOME/go. My question is, if I create a .go file inside $HOME, I'm able to run it -- how is that possible? Isn't my workspace on $HOME/go? [05:11] royal_screwup21: You probably want to ask in #go-nuts (which appears to be the official IRC channel) [05:32] I downloaded Basilisk2 (a 68k Mac emulator) from synaptic and it doesn't seem to be in any menus and typing basilisk2 in terminal gets nothing [05:33] there were no errors in synaptic, I removed it and reinstalled and still nothing [05:35] boblamont: try basil [05:36] boblamont: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/basilisk2/filelist [05:37] man operating systems are hard [05:37] i'm constantly learning something about the different operating systems I use [05:38] brainwash: thanks, I tried BasiliskII-jit and it worked... not the most intuitive thing... doesn't "/usr/share/menu/basilisk2 " mean it should have shown up in a menu somewhere? [05:39] bug 309913 [05:39] bug 309913 in basilisk2 (Ubuntu) "Basilisk2 does not create a menu entry (altough creates a file in /usr/share/menu)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309913 [05:39] ah, that's a relief. not my system then [05:40] fixed in 18.10 [05:40] =S [05:58] good morning to all [06:02] lol.. I just realized that parted probably stands for partition editor [06:03] !info parted | illuminated [06:03] illuminated: parted (source: parted): disk partition manipulator. In component main, is standard. Version 3.2-20 (bionic), package size 44 kB, installed size 156 kB [06:03] i knew what it was [06:04] I just never thought 'partition editor' [06:58] Does anyone have an idea how I could add a subect to the mail: logwatch --detail high --range yesterday > /tmp/logwatch.log && ssmtp system@xyz.de < /tmp/logwatch.log [07:10] Netmage: From a quick search, it looks like you include headers as the first lines of stdin, so try { printf 'Subject: blah blah\n\n'; cat /tmp/logwatch.log; } | ssmtp system@xyz.de [07:23] Hello geirha, the problem hiere is, that I am able to use echo -e "Subject" | ssmtp ... but as soon as it runs in a script the subject is empty again [07:31] perhaps you ran the script with the wrong interpreter? [07:32] the echo -e will behave differently in sh. Use printf instead; consider echo deprecated === Guest50548 is now known as Vinylourson [07:40] ok, I didn't know that echo is deprecated [07:40] you are right printf worked fine [07:41] i've got the same error like '2018-07-12T10:35:53.802769+07:00 qmail kernel: [1781762.952023] megaraid_sas 0000:02:0e.0: MR_DCMD_PD_LIST_QUERY failed/not supported by firmware' s im on Linux qmail 4.4.0-96-generic #119~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 13 08:40:48 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linuxcmiiw but https://www.systutorials.com/linux-kernels/91622/megaraid_sas-do-not-fire-mr_dcmd_pd_list_query-to-controllers-which-do-not-support-it-linux-4-7-2/ s [07:43] $ sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial but http://vpaste.net/Pg9HG === aggi is now known as Gehirn [07:55] Netmage: technically not deprecated, but its use is discouraged: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/echo.html#tag_20_37_16 [08:02] How closely related is the Kubuntu organization to Ubuntu? Does Ubuntu sign Kubuntu's ISO's? [08:03] The kubuntu hashes are on ubuntu's site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/ [08:03] Lope: you asked this already in the past.. [08:03] Hello everyone. [08:03] I'm sorry I had some issue before I could read the answer [08:05] Oh I see the 1-2 paragraphs here has all the info I was looking for pretty much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu [08:08] Short shell question: I want to minimize the number of loops so I need to analyze a lot of files (currently using "find") containing records & fields with awk. That works. But I also need to include for any input file record the parent folder of the file. I can get the parent folder using awk (SF=NF-1; print $SF), too. But I seem to be unable to combine both when I use find instead of a for loop. [08:10] But the for loop takes as input the find results. So that is already one loop to many for me (although yes it works), but I'd rather have O(n) instead of O(2n) [08:20] How do I update the IntelME sh*t firmware on my ubuntu laptop? [08:24] !language | fub [08:24] fub: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [08:49] in unity on 16.04 - when I lock the desktop it turns the monitors off instantly. Is there a way to disable that? [08:50] i can't seem to find a way to stop it [08:53] Cheez: go and see energy parameters [08:54] Ool: there's no settings in the power settings i can see, is that some other part of unity or is it a seperate app? [08:55] or is it a config file somewhere? [08:57] Cheez, I can't directly answer your question, but I can say that this is not the case on my 16.04 installs... none of my desktops or laptops react this way... so I think it's something that has been changed. [08:58] JimBuntu: i thought that, so i re-installed, i'm on a brand fresh install of 16.04 lts and it does it. [08:58] only references i could find were to gnome (which apparently does the same) [08:58] Cheez, that's really odd. What make/model of device? [08:59] dell inspirion [08:59] for model i'd have to unplug it from the dock, which will cause a kernel panic, which means i vanish :p [08:59] lol, understood, although it would be helpful when you find it convenient. [09:01] I was completely wrong, Latitude E6540 [09:02] my old one was an inspirion [09:05] Cheez, `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay 10` may provide you with a 10 second delay before the screen shuts off [09:07] hello, is there a set time when 18.04.1 is going to be available today? [09:08] oplife, not that I am aware of... and it takes additional time for all of the mirrors to sync. === Gehirn is now known as aggi === ogra_ is now known as ogra [09:26] ok, thanks JimBuntu :) [09:27] oplife: What do you mean? I installed mine a couple of months ago. [09:29] Spookan, it says on release schedule that 18.04.1 (first point release for upgrade from 16.04 LTS will come today) [09:29] I'm eager to try it and thus asking :) Thanks for the help! [09:30] ugh [09:31] Anyone know how to fix slow login times via SSH? The only method I found to fix said problem is to disable PAM in sshd config, but I hear that you shouldn't really use this option. What do I do? [09:32] get better internet / faster server? [09:33] That's not the problem though [09:34] it probably is [09:34] It isn't though as I just said when I disable PAM it logs in instantly [09:34] you didn't say that [09:34] I did [09:41] Orchula: try UseDNS=no [09:42] I tried this is as well but didn't work, I've basically tried all the solutions that showed up in google [09:42] Orchula: so how slow is "slow"? [09:43] It's hangs for a few seconds every time I try to log in and only happens on Ubuntu, when I go to netboot I can ssh into server instantly [09:44] hi! [09:44] Orchula: are there any errors being logged on the server while you ssh in? [09:45] It hangs on "debug1: pledge: network" [09:45] No other errors though [09:46] Orchula: that's debug on server or client side? [09:47] What does ssh -vvv count as? [09:47] Orchula: client side logging. Are you on OpenBSD perhaps? [09:48] in a near future I'll try the latest LTS server to host my virtual machines (pbx, databases, web services, etc..) using lxd. I'd like to also host a 'special' vm that will serve as router/gateway for the physical hosts and the virtual ones. Do you think it could be done? [09:48] No not on OpenBSD, well if its client side issue then it has the same issue across all my devices, on my laptop, on desktop and phone they all get the same hang time before I can login [09:48] mementomori: sure, but note that LXD is not really a VM, it's more like a container [09:49] Hi. I'm a developer and have been using linux for a decade but I ran into something that has completely baffled me. I need help. I have a file I should be able to access (I should belong to the group) but I cannot. I get a permission denied error when I try to cat it. I type "groups $USER" and it shows that I SHOULD be a part of the right group (in this case "docker"). But if I type "groups", I only get a single group - my user's group, [09:49] andromodon. Most resources I get on the web say "just reboot and it will be fixed", and I tried that and it did not work. I am completely stumped. What sort of things can make the bash process have different groups than what my user SHOULD have? [09:49] blackflow, have to go. i'll be back in a few minutes.. [09:50] Orchula: I meant that output is client side. Anyway, I see the pledge message appears on linux as well. Woudln't know exactly why it hangs there without looking at the source. afaik pledge() is not doing anything it openssh-portable (which is what linux is using) [09:50] Orchula: anyway, WorksForMe(tm), so there must be something specific to that setup. Can you check server side logs for the period around you ssh-ing in? [09:53] andromodon: users and groups are part of DAC - Discretionary Access Control. Linux has a few more permission subsystems. There's also ACLs, MAC like AppArmor, and in case of docker, there are namespaces and "containerization" of resources. Can you pastebin a specific example? What it is, and what you expect to happen? [09:54] "Just reboot and it will be fixed" is Windows mindset, usually not applicable to Linux. [09:54] blackflow: can't find anything that doesn't seem right, it all looks normal to me. It's got something to do with PAM though since when I disable it, it all goes back to normal [09:55] blackflow: LOL [09:55] Orchula: well pam involves the logind session which could involve dbus and who knows what else, so it's really hard to say. [09:55] andromodon: what's funny about what I said? [09:55] blackflow: Sure. I'll pastebin it. [09:56] blackflow: Just laughing about the windows mindset thing. [09:56] ah :) [09:57] well it's true. reboots are needed only if something that is started once on reboot and cannot be again, is involved. kernel, systemd and lately dbus. definitely not a blanket approach to problem solving. [10:01] blackflow: here is the pastebin: https://paste.linux.community/view/5258b890 [10:04] andromodon: are you in a docker container or a namespace of any kind? `groups` and `groups $USER` should list the same groups. [10:05] andromodon: what's teh output of `id` ? [10:07] How do I update the IntelME firmware on my ubuntu laptop? Do I really need a windows vm for this? [10:11] blackflow, i'm back ;) [10:12] which options do I have during the 18.04 install to create vms? [10:13] mementomori: during installation? none afaik. you first install the host, boot into it, then proceed setting up VMs [10:13] maybe should I prefer kvm instead of lxd? [10:14] mementomori: depends on what you want to achieve. lxd and kvm are different kinds of virtualization and serve a bit different purposes. [10:14] fub: as in doing a bios/uefi update? [10:16] blackflow, I think OpenStack would be a nice tool in order to manage vms [10:17] blackflow, maybe I was just confusing the server install menu the the conjure-up one. [10:18] mementomori: again, depends on what you want to achieve. openstack is a large system for "cloud" management with multiple hosts. [10:19] blackflow, I'd like to have a single server hosting vms for my services _plus_ a vm that will act as router/gateway for my lan and vms [10:20] blackflow, isn't openstack the right tool for this? [10:20] it's overkill [10:21] blackflow, what you'd advise? [10:21] mementomori: for starters, question is whether you need VMs (each running a kernel), or if containers are enough (resource namespaces on the same host sharing the host kernel). [10:22] VMs are when you want to virtualize hardware and/or run different operating systems and different kernels. containers are perfectly fine when all your "VMs" are same OS and you just want to isolate them from each other on the process/filesystem/pid/uid level. [10:22] blackflow, I won't have that many vms on this single server so I think vms could be doable. [10:22] What sort of things can keep my login process from getting the right group permissions? [10:23] blackflow, in any case the easiest to manage the better [10:23] mementomori: you're talking about counts and ignoring the purpose. do you need to run individual kernels? [10:24] blackflow, I think sooner or later I'll need different kernels [10:24] andromodon: can you pastebin the output of `ps axuf` ? specifically, the tree from that shell issuing that command, upwards. [10:24] mementomori: then VMs it is. [10:25] blackflow: Sure. 1 minute. [10:25] hi people I'm hving trouble with launching steam on ubuntu. Ummmmm basicly it doesn't launch [10:25] mementomori: KVM is good. there are GUI management tools if you need those. I use qemu-system-x86_64 directly and don't care about UIs or virt management, so I can't help you with those. [10:26] ozbrk: launch it from the command line and pastebin the error please [10:27] JimBuntu, where have you been? :) [10:27] blackflow, my biggest fear is the inabilty to create a router/gw vm. do you think that will be doable? [10:27] this vm will also be in charge for dhcp and dns [10:28] I'll use something like zeroshell [10:29] brainwash: I read about the Intel ME vulnerabilities and I want to patch them (because disabling of ME is not possible) [10:29] mementomori: depends on what exactly you want to achieve. yes you can create a subnet/vlan and have a VM serve as the gateway/dhcp server for that subnet. [10:30] so its a CPU "firmeware" update [10:30] blackflow: https://paste.linux.community/view/8ee8b0ee [10:32] blackflow, the idea is to follow https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/build-openstack using kvm and start creating vms via the web ui [10:32] blackflow, what is the command to launch steam excatly. Steam command is just come inconlusive [10:33] hmmm that is very very insteresting [10:33] mementomori: openstack is overkill for service VMs, but if you want it, go ahead I guess. [10:34] ozbrk: `steam` all lowercase, at least on Bionic. you could look into your steam's .desktop launcher if it's not that [10:34] blackflow, thank you for your time and patience [10:35] andromodon: which ubuntu is that? lots of consolekit processes. Anyway, I can't tell what's going on from that output which looks more or less expected. systemd -> terminal (konsole) -> bash. but something in that chain is limiting the groups for the bash process [10:35] blackflow, well the reaso steam command does not work is the steam was not accutaly installed. What has been installed though was from flathub [10:35] andromodon: you could perhaps use the /proc filesystem how you did above and go upward, pid by pid, from teh shell, to see how and if the groups change [10:35] 16.04 [10:35] andromodon: another question...... did you re-login after adding user to the group(s)? [10:35] blackflow, now here are two steams :( [10:35] blackflow: 16.04 [10:36] ozbrk: pastebin what you mean, please? [10:36] blackflow: I did that. See toward the top of the pastebin. Nothing in the chain has any groups, all the way up to pid=1. [10:36] blackflow: LOL. Yes, many times. ;) [10:37] Just in case my .bash_profile or .bashrc is the culprit I'm replacing them with defaults and rebotting now... Other users on my system get groups, just not me... [10:37] brb [10:39] Hi !, I am on Linux Ubuntu, I often do hangouts call with people I train programming, they want me to record a video so they can watch it again, Is there a good software we can use ? [10:39] I'd probably use obs [10:39] dka: a moment ago you said you were on Debian Stretch, in #debian [10:39] blackflow, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YB4rCGVWtZ/ [10:39] dka: https://obsproject.com [10:39] dka: don't lie please, and don't crosspost. Debian != Ubuntu. Not exactly the same software is available. [10:39] blackflow , I am on linux and debian [10:39] what is the matter ? [10:39] I have more than one computer [10:40] Thank you for thinking [10:41] ozbrk: I'd reinstall steam. apt install --reinstall steam [10:41] TimeDoctor, thanks, it seems to work on both [10:41] blackflow, thats what I was just did [10:41] TimeDoctor, is it an aside software i need to start before each hangout screencast session? [10:41] blackflow, still nothing happens [10:42] ozbrk: what's the output of `which steam` ? [10:42] blackflow, same [10:42] what do you mean "same". it's suppose to spit out the full path to "steam" binary [10:42] blackflow: I'm back. Well, the issue isn't in .bash_profile or .bashrc. [10:43] blackflow, I purged both of steams. All of em were gone and re install from apt-get [10:43] then reinstall it [10:43] now result is the same [10:43] ozbrk: so, what's the output of `which steam` ? [10:44] andromodon___: I'm not that much familiar with systemd, but on Bionic the terminal is child of "systemd --user", and in your ouput that --user is missing. I don't know if that's normal for xenial, or not, and/or the cause of your limited group set [10:44] blackflow, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3hDMgX5BKt/ [10:44] here [10:44] blackflow: Hmm... Well, Ubuntu 18.04.1 comes out tomorrow or the next day or something. I could upgrade and find out. LOL [10:45] andromodon___: today supposedly. [10:45] * andromodon___ looks at his watch... [10:46] blackflow: I feel like there has to be a big clue in the fact that I can log into other users and they have multiple groups, but andromodon just gets one group.. [10:47] ozbrk: which ubuntu is that? [10:47] blackflow: That means it can't be a system level issue, right? It has to be something in my home directory that is causing things to go amiss?? [10:47] andromodon___: no, it could be anything, from systemd, through KDE, to shell configs [10:48] andromodon___: I'm not sure about that consolekit. it's supposedly long abandoned and replaced with systemd-logind. I don't know if it's normal on xenial, doesn't look normal to me (but I could be totally wrong) [10:48] blackflow: Hm.... shit. Ok. Well, it's not .bashrc or .bash_profile (at least not my customizations to them). [10:49] at anyrate, consolekit vs logind conflict sounds like something that would cause what you describe. [10:49] blackflow: I suppose I could try logging in to another desktop environment and see if I have the same issue. Seem useful? [10:49] andromodon___: sure, or reboot into non-graphical mode and login that way. just append number 3 to the kernel (vmlinuz) line in the grub. doy ou know how to do that? [10:50] Um... Can I just type something like "telinit 3" or something? [10:50] Or can I just press ctrl-alt-f3 and login there? [10:50] blackflow: ^ [10:51] andromodon___: maybe, I don't know, the idea behind this was to remove layers and see if that'll help [10:51] blackflow: Aah. I'll try all of the above, from easiest to hardest and come back when they all fail. ;) [10:51] blackflow: Yes, I can edit the grub line with a 3 at the end. [10:52] blackflow: brb [10:54] blackflow, latest lts [10:54] blackflow, 18.04 [10:54] ozbrk: cool. can you pastebin the output of `stat .steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime.tar.xz` please? [10:54] blackflow, well system is 32 bit [10:54] blackflow, well system is 64 bit [10:55] blackflow, sorry [10:55] ozbrk: so? Steam is 32-bit. does not that path exist? how did you install steam exactly? [10:56] blackflow, apt-get install steam [10:56] blackflow, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RSS7qWh9xS/ [10:56] blackflow: Well, Ctrl-Alt-F3 followed by a login works great. "groups" shows a dozen different groups. [10:56] blackflow: That's without a reboot or anything. [10:57] blackflow: So, that means it's a kde thing?? [10:57] ozbrk: right, your steam runtime is broken. perhaps remove it (purge) it from the system. remove any ~/.steam files and directories and try reinstalling it again. I am assuming this is your first installation of steam on that machine? removing ~/.steam will remove all current configs, savegames, steam stuff, so be warned. [10:58] blackflow, nothing has ever played so far so lets get blasted [10:58] andromodon: possible. Im increasingly convinced that consolekit is out of place there. I have no xenial systems to check, but in xenial, consolekit is in universe which would suggest is't not default and not part of the official installation. [10:59] blackflow: You think consolekit could be causing this issue? [10:59] andromodon: yes, it should be conflicting with logind [10:59] Hi all [10:59] now there could be _still_ some transition period on xenial, but I doubt that. again, I could be wrong. [10:59] blackflow: Interesting... How can we test this theory? [11:00] andromodon: for example, find what pulls in consolekit. apt-cache rdepends consolekit [11:00] blackflow, steam totally removed and that ~/.steam folder was deleted. I'm reinstalling steam via command line [11:00] andromodon: and see if it's even installed, dpkg -l 'consolek*' should list packages starting with ii [11:01] ozbrk: did you use the software center before? [11:01] blackflow: making pastebin [11:02] blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mPDMfdcXjv/ [11:03] andromodon: what would apt -s remove consolekit (NO sudo!) list for removal? [11:04] blackflow: nothing else would get removed except consolekit. [11:04] blackflow, yes and it was using flathub to install it [11:05] blackflow, which is why the "steam" command did not take any effect [11:05] blackflow: Should I go for it? "sudo apt remove consolekit"? [11:05] blackflow, I GUESS [11:05] andromodon: that doesn't sound normal. I could be totally wrong about this. but... and this could break your entire system if I'm wrong, would require rescue env, chrooting and reinstalling it...... backup data and see what happens when you remove it + reboot? [11:06] lol. [11:06] blackflow: Maybe I'll do this in a VM first... ;) [11:06] yeah I don' tknow if consolekit is _still_ normal on xenial. it is deprecated and replced by systemd-logind that's for sure. [11:07] blackflow: I would think if it's "normal" something else would depend on it. [11:07] andromodon: exactly, especially meta packages like ubuntu-minimal or -standard or -desktop even. [11:07] blackflow: yeah... [11:08] andromodon: if I were you, I'd do it, but then I know how to recover from fallout of it -- in case I'm wrong -- so... your call. [11:09] andromodon: and I'm mentioning this at all becuse you seem to know your way around ubuntu and how to do some stuff, so... fi you didn't, I'd _never_ suggest such a radical test :) [11:09] ozbrk: I suppose that flatpak broke stuff. just install it from apt, it works fine in Bionic. [11:09] blackflow: I have no idea how to install packages if I can't log into the system.. I can get to the filesystm by booting with a USB stick, but I only know how to install packages on the systm you're on not the system you're just mounting... [11:09] blackflow: I appreciate the words of caution. ;) [11:09] andromodon: usb stick, mount root, mount proc,sys,dev in there, chroot, apt install. in short. === amadeo_bee is now known as amadeobee [11:10] andromodon: but yeah, if I'm wrong, this could totally prevent you from accessing the system normally as it's about user login sessions. [11:10] blackflow: Aah. I think I've done that once before... [11:10] that's exactly why I'm convinced it's the cause of this mess and in conflict with logind. [11:10] blackflow: I'll try it in a ubuntu 16.04 VM first. [11:10] blackflow: brb again. [11:11] andromodon: wait [11:11] blackflow: waiting [11:11] andromodon: see if a new installation even brings in consolekit, for starterss [11:11] if it doesn't... well.... :) [11:11] blackflow: Agreed. [11:11] blackflow: Still need to reboot to get my vm working... brb === zendude is now known as cybercap [11:23] blackflow: Well, my ubuntu 16.04 VM does not have consolekit installed. [11:27] andromodon: well.... your call. it's possible even that won't fix your problem. I really don't know. all I know is consolekit is abandoned, logind replaces it, and they BOTH manage login sessions, users, seats, and that's why I suspect it is somehow messing your groups. [11:27] blackflow: Here goes nothing.... ;) "sudo apt remove consolekit" pending. If I come back in 10 minutes it means it didn't hose my system. If I come back tomorrow, then... I'll have practiced my disaster recovery skills - always good to brush up on those from time to time... [11:28] blackflow: Either way, thanks for your help today! :) [11:28] andromodon: you're welcome. [11:29] * andromodon executes and reboots... [11:33] blackflow: Well, the system rebooted fine, so that's good. Still no groups though. [11:34] blackflow: My brain is getting a bit squishy though. I think I'll try this again tomorrow. I hope you have a great day! [11:34] andromodon: well, shoot. === Otis is now known as Wharncliffe [11:55] Hi all.. just wondering if anyone can tell me what Ubuntu 18.04 might do on a laptop when the AC power is removed and the laptop switches over to battery? I've got a laptop with an i7-6700HQ, Ubuntu Studio 18.04 all stock with Unity desktop, and the integrated GPU performs fast on AC, but considerably slower on battery. [12:01]