[05:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke - regardless of what you manage to do - can you mark them ready, ty :)
[11:31] <Spass> I have a small suggestion for 18.10+, maybe we could discuss it on the next community meeting
[11:32] <Spass> that suggestion is - adding XCAPE as default, to make Whisker Menu work with Super key, without changing anything else
[11:33] <Unit193> !info xcape
[11:33] <Spass> reasoning: 1) xcape it's in the repos 2) it's super light 3) it works 4) many users expect the Super key to bring the main menu
[11:34] <Unit193> https://github.com/alols/xcape/issues
[11:34] <Spass> 5) manu distro reviewers (I watch many on YT) will check that behaviour and judge user-friendlyness in regard
[11:35] <Spass> I'm not saying that xcape s perfect, but for the Whisker Menu purpose it works great
[11:35] <Spass> all it needs is to be installed and that command in autostart:
[11:35] <Spass> xcape -e 'Super_L=Control_L|Escape'
[11:36] <Spass> all other shortcuts work as intended, it changes nothing
[11:37] <Spass> but like I said, that's just my proposition and opinion
[11:37] <Unit193> Seems like it'd be a bit more confusing and unexpected to look in the Xfce keyboard config and see nowhere why when you press 'Super' the menu pops up.
[11:37] <Unit193> Might want to put it on the agenda so it isn't forgotten, Spass?
[11:38] <Spass> can I even edit the agenda?
[11:40] <Spass> I would like to add that, yes, it would be a short discussion, but I think it's kinda important to improve the user experience
[11:41] <Spass> many people consider Super = menu as standard, I'm not saying it's good or bad habit, but that's just the way it is nowadays, IMHO
[13:19] <Spass> ok, let's test some things, let's ask the community :)
[13:19] <Spass> https://plus.google.com/100394429915171377792/posts/hVgW3r7psVL
[14:11] <knome> maybe note that it's not an official poll and more specifically that the outcome of the poll will not (necessarily) decide what happens in xubuntu (especially as it's an unofficial poll) :P
[14:19] <Spass> ok, didn't want to make it look official at all, but you're right - I'll make a note to clarify that
[14:23] <Spass> hmm, how to make it sound better? "...and the end results are not binding at any means"
[14:26] <Spass> "and the end results are not <binding> in any way" (looking for a better word than binding, not sure if it fits, my English is... not so good)
[14:36] <Spass> anyway, note added, thanks for pointing that out :)
[14:44] <knome> sounds good to me
[14:45] <knome> and tbh, this is not a submitter issue, this is people issue; they always interpret these things wrong :P
[14:46] <Spass> right, some might think that it's "official voting" or something like that, and they'd scream "where's my feature!!!" later :)
[14:47] <Spass> I need to keep that in mind next time
[15:17] <knome> indeed
[15:17] <knome> and this happens even with as-official-as-it-gets-polls or discussion openers
[15:23] <Spass> btw, I'm testing Skippy-XD (yeah, great name) for the "expose" effect on opened windows on Xubuntu 18.04 and after configuring it a bit it works really well, but don't worry, that I will not propose to be a default :D
[17:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume it was you who marked the iso ready
[17:25] <flocculant> thanks :)
[17:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: indeed :)
[17:48] <flocculant> we can do it all again next week for 16.04.5 ...
[19:31] <pleia2> flocculant: how can I help? :)
[19:31] <flocculant> pleia2: I'm in x.org now - just about to write something :)
[19:31] <pleia2> ok, well, I'll do the social things at least when we're ready, just lmk
[19:31] <flocculant> yup cheers :)
[19:36] <flocculant> pleia2: https://xubuntu.org/news/18-04-1-released/
[19:36] <pleia2> hooray
[19:36] <flocculant> something odd - there in a line break or somesuch that I can't find
[19:37] <flocculant> I'm sure someone or knome will :p
[19:37] <pleia2> want me to have a look?
[19:37] <flocculant> you can if you've time - I'm crap at that stuff :D
[19:37] <pleia2> np
[19:38] <pleia2> sorted
[19:38] <flocculant> woohoo - thanks :)
[19:38] <flocculant> what was it?
[19:39] <pleia2> it was just a line break, maybe couldn't see it because of how it was wrapping on your screen
[19:39] <flocculant> right - so I knew 'what' it was at least :p
[19:39] <pleia2> yeah :)
[19:39] <Spass> will it be visible in the Articles section here? https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[19:40] <pleia2> Spass: yeah, let me fix that...
[19:40] <pleia2> done
[19:41] <flocculant> oh yea I always forget those things
[19:41] <flocculant> too
[19:41] <pleia2> ^5 teamwork
[19:41] <Spass> cool
[19:41] <flocculant> ^5
[19:45] <Spass> ehh, I really don't want to be "that guy", again, but historically you always add "Xubuntu" before the version number in the title https://xubuntu.org/news/category/news/
[19:45] <Spass> (don't hurt me!)
[19:45] <flocculant> well you know what happened to history ...
[19:46] <pleia2> flocculant: you got fb?
[19:46] <flocculant> I will do yea 
[19:46] <pleia2> kk
[19:47] <Spass> flocculant, I'll be quiet now :) congrats for another smooth release to the X team
[19:48] <flocculant> well
[19:48] <flocculant> it'd be a lot smoother with more people testing it
[19:48] <flocculant> but I'm sure you knew I would say something like that :D
[19:49] <flocculant> pleia2: fb is being dial-up ... but it's apparently uploading it 
[19:49] <pleia2> twitter and g+ are done
[19:49] <pleia2> haha
[19:49] <flocculant> seeding the new torreents for a few days now
[19:49] <Spass> yeah, but point releases are boring to test :)
[19:50] <flocculant> testing is boring
[19:51] <flocculant> if we didn't get them tested - then the user in #xubuntu would have been told that there was in fact not going to be a release
[19:51] <pleia2> rip flavors that have come before
[19:51] <flocculant> and then all manner of stuff happens - like Canonical wanting to know why we've not kept our side of the deal
[19:52] <flocculant> pleia2: indeed
[19:52] <Spass> I know, that's why I've submitted my test results on the tracker
[19:52] <flocculant> umm at fb :|
[19:53] <pleia2> I can do it if you need
[19:54]  * flocculant has another go first
[19:54] <flocculant> zand puts the kettle on
[19:54] <pleia2> I'm off to a meeting momentarily
[19:55] <flocculant> ok - if it carries on being a pain - perhaps do it later
[19:56] <pleia2> k
[20:03] <flocculant> pleia2: something up - if you could do it later please :)
[20:14] <pleia2> done
[20:15] <flocculant> thanks - I wonder what was up there 
[20:15] <flocculant> I don't wonder 'much' however :)
[20:16] <pleia2> fb is fb, it's awful :)
[20:16] <flocculant> indeed :D
[20:17] <flocculant> myabe it would have been better if transmission wasn't sucking the uploads for torrenters
[20:17] <flocculant> *shrug*
[20:18] <Spass> my xubuntu-pl website is also updated for 18.04.1 now... heh, no one cares :)
[20:19] <flocculant> :)
[20:20] <flocculant> well off again now - back soon :)
[20:21] <pleia2> Spass :)
[21:00] <voilet> installation again
[21:01] <voilet> ubiquity and so
[21:02] <voilet> lttlbt tired
[21:03] <voilet> uefi and gpt made me :xxx
[21:03] <knome> voilet, ...you realize this is the development channel?