[00:02] <oerheks> vavkamil, remove it, and install the snap
[00:02] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/sublime-text
[00:03] <asphyxia> This might seem like a silly question, but I just received a 9 cell battery after my 6 cell one only lasts for 10 minutes. Is there any point keeping the 6 cell or should I just recycle it? Like idk for testing purposes or something
[00:04] <oerheks> recycle
[00:04] <vavkamil> is it safe to use snap?
[00:04] <oerheks> toners and catridges and battery, some points collect & give a refund
[00:05] <oerheks> snap, yes is is safe, and all you need to do is trust the author
[00:05] <vavkamil> This revision of snap "sublime-text" was published using classic confinement and thus may perform arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually confined to, which may put your system at risk.
[00:05] <asphyxia> oerheks: thanks, haha I just have trouble throwing things out lol
[00:06] <asphyxia> calling a recycle centre now ^^
[00:06] <oerheks> ah, prop stuff, pay
[00:06] <oerheks> amd they are happy to give support
[00:08] <strixdio> I'm not having any luck with SANBOOT ubuntu.
[00:08] <strixdio> ipxe just sits at "booting from SAN device". it works perfectly fine with centos 7
[00:08] <asphyxia> what the heck $45 au to recycle a battery
[00:09] <asphyxia> get faaaaarked
[00:12] <bazhang> lets stay topical please asphyxia and no cursing
[00:13] <bazhang> chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic please asphyxia
[00:13] <asphyxia> hmph >..> okkk
[00:20] <mikeride> I'm not interested in sacrificing my freedom for the sake of making ny it easy to track probates dwellers .
[00:20] <bazhang> mikeride, right channel? this is ubuntu support
[00:20] <mikeride> no I have no guilt
[00:21] <bazhang> lets take the random chatter elsewhere please mikeride
[00:21] <mikeride> pressure to do so is not welcomed . I will not stand down and claim these crimes if harassment and battery are needed.
[00:22] <Tin_man> mikeride, can it up and sell it elsewhere.
[00:23] <mikeride> tin_man disconnecting in a bit
[00:23] <mikeride> why don't we do something tin_man
[00:31] <mmazing> got a fresh install of lubuntu 18.04 on some ~5 yr old hardware and everything works great except the ethernet port does nothing at all, and isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:31] <mmazing> however, it lights up before the system boots
[00:31] <mmazing> but once lubuntu running, it's dead
[00:31] <mmazing> any ideas?
[00:32] <bazhang> whats the chipset for that ethernet mmazing
[00:32] <mmazing> im not sure, and can't remember how to look at hardware via terminal
[00:32] <bazhang> lspci
[00:33] <Tin_man> mmazing, do have another live linux dvd to try?
[00:33] <mmazing> this is really strange as well because this exact same thing is happening on my fairly new laptop but i rarely use ethernet on it
[00:34] <mmazing> turns out they are both Realtek
[00:34] <mmazing> RTL8111/8168/8411
[00:34] <bazhang> give us the exact chip, thanks
[00:34] <mmazing> found a guide :D
[00:35] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/r8168-dkms mmazing
[00:36] <bazhang> Thats what needed for bionic
[00:37] <lovepopsickle> anyone gotten the update prompts from 16.04 to 18.04 yet?
[00:37] <mmazing> awesome, thanks bazhang
[00:37] <mmazing> +1 internets for you
[00:38] <bazhang> mmazing, it's in the repos for bionic
[00:39] <mmazing> it's also in xenial too, my laptop is running 16.04
[00:39] <bazhang> sudo apt install r8168-dkms mmazing
[00:39] <bazhang> ok, great
[00:39] <mmazing> now i need to figure out how to get that over to this machine with no internet
[00:39] <mmazing> can i somehow export a .deb from apt?
[00:40] <bazhang> what about sneakernetting it
[00:40] <mmazing> oh ... actually, i have a usb wifi card laying around, that'll prolly work
[00:40] <bazhang> usb stick, then take the deb and isntall
[00:40] <bazhang> or that
[00:40] <mmazing> hmmm, actually, i want to learn how to do that instead
[00:40] <mmazing> how do i get the .deb for that package?
[00:41] <bazhang> packages.ub untu.com for one
[00:41] <bazhang> minus the space there
[00:42] <mmazing> i'm on https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/r8168-dkms - do i need to download source package and compile?
[00:43] <mmazing> nevermind ...
[00:43] <mmazing> found the .deb download area, i'm a little slow today :\
[00:43] <strixdio> well, seems like the whole reason I couldn't get ubuntu to boot from SAN is ... grub failed to install?
[00:43] <strixdio> omg what's with the freenode spam
[00:45] <ryuo> Spam? What spam?
[00:53] <OverrRyde> hi everyone! i need help finding instructions on setting up a VNC server on 16.04 under specific conditions, is anyone available?
[01:03] <mmazing> hmmmm, got r8168-dkms installed on laptop and pc and no dice on either one
[01:04] <bazhang> mmazing, you need to load it then
[01:05] <mmazing> it's a kernel module?
[01:05] <mmazing> modprobe?
[01:07] <danieru98> nacc, i've reported the bug with ubuntu-bug linux and send the link to #ubuntu-kernel and explained the issue in a nutshell, but there's only 100 users there and nobody has said anything in one hour, is it usually this quiet?
[01:08] <bazhang> danieru98, cusp of the weekend could be, why not also hit the mailing liss with it
[01:09] <bazhang> !lists | danieru98
[01:09] <bazhang> lists
[01:11] <danieru98> bazhang, i've never used mailing lists before. Do I just send an email to kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com?
[01:14] <mmazing> yeah, so i see r8169 is loaded in /proc/modules and r8168 is not
[01:14] <mmazing> do i need to blacklist r8169 ?
[01:21] <danieru98> bazhang, is the mailing list still in use? i don't see emails more recent than 2010 in here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/
[01:28] <nehemiah> I boot a bunch of computers (various types) from the network. They run a bootstrapped Ubuntu Bionic I installed the Cinnamon desktop on top of that. The issue is that some of these computers get into some kind of power saving mode. As they do that, I think, somehow the NIC gets disabled.
[01:28] <nehemiah> Can I prevent that from happening? I've looked in the bios but couldn't find any setting that prevents that.
[01:28] <kyle__> Question about ryzen APUs on 18.04: what does lspci say your graphics card is?
[01:28] <kyle__> And what version do you have?
[01:30] <kyle__> (and if there's a better place to ask this question, just let me know:)
[01:31] <gogeta> nehemiah: you try sweaking the power saving settings
[01:32] <nehemiah> Thank you tried that and my clients still go down. Maybe I can add the acpi=off parameter to the kernel and give it a shot.
[01:32] <gogeta> nehemiah: try just turning off that setting
[01:33] <gogeta> nehemiah: it sounds like thw wm power saving is doing it
[01:34] <gogeta> nehemiah: in cinnamon look at the power mangment settings
[01:34] <nehemiah> I've got everything set to 'off' there.
[01:35] <nehemiah> Also it even happens before login, at the lightdm login screen
[01:35] <nehemiah> People log out, then fifteen minutes later the next person comes and has to reboot the thing.
[01:47] <ryuo> nehemiah: what's the ethernet hardware?
[01:52] <nehemiah> ryuo: The clients that give me problems are HP T610 they have BCM57781 NIC chip.
[01:52] <ryuo> nehemiah: one option you can explore is messing with settings via ethtool.
[01:53] <ryuo> Hm.
[01:55] <ryuo> Seems tg3 driver doesn't have any options of interest.
[01:55] <nehemiah> Let me just say that the same clients on Xenial worked absolutely fine.
[01:56] <ryuo> It's likely a kernel issue...
[02:01] <nehemiah> ryuo: That's what I thought too.
[02:03] <nehemiah> For what it's worth; I just booted one of these things with acpi=off. Just to see what's happening.
[02:17] <mikeride> disposition of The Court: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cFpV7YkqqD/
[02:17] <mikeride> Ubuntu let blessing rest upon U
[02:17] <mikeride> to be the instrument of Justice
[02:18] <mikeride> Ubuntu let blessing rest upon U to be the instrument of Justice, to be used of GOD
[02:18] <oerheks> !ops
[02:30] <Lord-Kamina> What package provides apt-add-repository in Xenial?
[02:32] <oerheks> !find apt-add-repository xenial
[02:32] <oerheks> software properties common
[02:33] <Lord-Kamina> Hmm... it was right
[02:34] <Lord-Kamina> Maybe I need to run apt-get update first then...
[03:24] <HornyReaper> is there any way to restore compiz working with mate ?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> HornyReaper: check #ubuntu-mate
[04:17] <MrAureliusR> hey folks
[04:17] <MrAureliusR> so it seems udevadm doesn't exist as part of the udev package anymore?
[04:18] <MrAureliusR> I want to create a udev rule for a couple USB-to-serial devices I have
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> MrAureliusR: can this help for you mate? https://linuxconfig.org/tutorial-on-how-to-write-basic-udev-rules-in-linux
[05:01] <boblamont> I'm in lubuntu. trying to run the sound out into the sound in... volume control's input devices tab notes that line in is plugged in, and it shows the levels, but I can't get it to show up in audacity, and I installed QARecord because that appears to just take whatever input is the selected default that's not taking the audio either.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> boblamont: lubuntu version please?
[05:54] <boblamont> lotuspsychje: 16.04   I wound up using the pulse audio internal recording thing...looping the audio jacks seemed to start working when I did that, but it made audacity stutter a lot
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> boblamont: have you tryed a pulseaudio restart yet?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> boblamont: perhaps also try with pavucontrol to check whats going on
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> boblamont: while you testing around your sound, leave a tail -f /var/log/syslog open to see errors
[05:56] <boblamont> ok,thanks... for now I'll probably just stick to the non-cable version... but I'll need to revisit it when I need to plug something else into line in
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> boblamont: system up to date to latest also?
[06:01] <me-1> hi...Can you please give link to download Ubuntu for Powerpc for my my imac g4..?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> !mac | me-1 start here
[06:03] <me-1> lotuspsychje,  can you please provide me link to download latest Ubuntu for PPC , I will prefer torrent link
[06:03] <ozbrk> hi people I have some issues with ummm scrolling. I'm using a Logitech marathon m705 mouse with solaar. When the smooth scrolling is on the content on the app menus are a little bit fast and turning the mouse wheel on half is enough to pass a menu for example
[06:03] <ozbrk> If I close it then scrolling is  far tooslow on browsers
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> me-1: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[06:08] <me-1> lotuspsychje,  what is the difference between alternate and desktop versions
[06:16] <guiverc> me-1, if you mean via https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads (alternate); there is the network installer; torrents ... or alternative ways to download to the 'full' iso
[06:17] <endojelly> "Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04.1's release expected in late July."
[06:17] <endojelly> I accept that, but what's the reason for that policy?
[06:18] <me-1> guiverc,  for now I am looking for a live cd ,powerpc, for my Imac g4
[06:18] <endojelly> I can see why waiting for the .1 is favorable, to ensure stability
[06:21] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads  provides link for 14.04  (2014.April release; 5 years for 'main', the 'universe' (3+ years) has ~gone already)
[06:23] <guiverc> endojelly, i've never heard a reason given, expect it's always been that way; allows some control over network; having people around (should issues occur & Canonical want staff around etc)...  Thursday is always 'release' day though; assuming its the 'few days' you're asking about
[06:23] <guiverc> if was the .1; stability of course is the reason...
[06:24] <endojelly> guiverc, see my quote from the wiki, which says that 16.04 LTS upgrades will not be enabled until a few days *after* 18.04.1
[06:25] <guiverc> endojelly, what part of it are you asking about?
[06:25] <endojelly> also, does that mean that 16.04 LTS will upgrade straight to 18.04.1 LTS? (probably yes)
[06:25] <endojelly> guiverc, why it's enabled a few days after 18.04.1's release, and not on the same day
[06:26] <endojelly> and, secondarily, why upgrades from 16.04 LTS are not enabled directly with 18.04 LTS, though there I can imagine that Canonical wants some baking time before unleashing the new LTS release on existing LTS installations.
[06:27] <guiverc> as stated; .1 is a release; so always a thursday.  it allows lessening of bandwidth for the one day (LTS upgrades are a huge % of users), allows them to pick which day the 'taps' are turned on so staff are around etc
[06:27] <guiverc> but this is opinion from what I've heard employees say (podcasts etc) - i've no special knowledge
[06:27] <endojelly> guiverc, I didn't ask why .1 is released on a Thursday?
[06:28] <endojelly> guiverc, I'm asking why LTS upgrades from 16.04 LTS are enabled a few days after 18.04.1's release?
[06:29] <endojelly> guiverc, or is that to not have the combined new 18.04.1 users and 16.04 LTS upgraders traffic, then?
[06:29] <guiverc> to reduce network bandwidth (3rd time stated); ie. 18.04 users upgrade to 18.04.1 first; the larger % of 16.04 LTS upgrade later staggering bandwidth; it also allows them to pick day when employees are around ... (
[06:29] <endojelly> ah, ok, thanks
[06:29] <endojelly> makes sense
[06:30] <endojelly> While we're at it
[06:30] <endojelly> what's good for HiDPI?
[06:30] <endojelly> I have Retina displays
[06:30] <lovepopsickle> can't you do it manually with do-release-upgrade now? or is there any advantage of waiting?
[06:30] <lovepopsickle> or that command won't work yet?
[06:31] <endojelly> lovepopsickle, that was part of the reason for my question (though I didn't ask that directly)
[06:31] <guiverc> lovepopsickle, i don't know if it'll work or not (yes it can be forced; but why force it?) - it's currently only 'hours' after the .1 release, not the days .. so it may not have been enabled yet (I've already jumped; so don't know)
[06:31] <endojelly> lovepopsickle, but I guess I'll just wait until it's regularly enabled. On the off chance that anything goes spectacularly wrong with 18.04.1, it's a bit safer
[06:32] <endojelly> (even though I have snapshots and could just roll back)
[06:33] <lovepopsickle> for clarification your saying the prompts are coming in hours or in days?
[06:33] <endojelly> the wiki says days, but that could be outdated of course
[06:33] <lovepopsickle> guiverc, ?
[06:33] <guiverc> hours since .1; it's mid-friday-arvo for me; the .1 was officially release ~5am my time... which was only hours ago!
[06:33] <gogeta> endojelly: any modern wm would support hidpi
[06:34] <gogeta> endojelly: i would say mostly gnome 3 and kde
[06:34] <lovepopsickle> oh i see what your saying. I am talking about when it will be prompted
[06:34] <lovepopsickle> so probably monday then I guess?
[06:34] <lovepopsickle> i doubt they will do it over the weekend
[06:35] <gogeta> lovepopsickle: if you have a install you dont need to reinstall
[06:36] <lovepopsickle> reinstall? I am on 16.04 right now
[06:37] <gogeta> lovepopsickle: ah a upgrade
[06:38] <endojelly> I should *probably* actually wait until the FPGA software officially supports 18.04 before doing the upgrade, but since this is only for private projects and I have snapshots... as soon as upgrades are enabled, I'll give it a try.
[06:38] <gogeta> endojelly: probly best
[06:39] <guiverc> lovepopsickle, yeah I'd expect monday (UST/UTC time; during business hours london time too, but we'll just have to wait & see)
[07:01] <SpeedrunnerG55> Hi
[07:02] <SpeedrunnerG55> I just updated from 16.04 to 18.04 and I don’t see a login screen just a purple screen. The SSH server is up and I can remotely log in but the shell is seemingly gone what should I do?
[07:14] <SpeedrunnerG55__> >.>
[07:30] <TomyWork> hi
[07:31] <Haris> hello all
[07:31] <Haris> mod_ruid2 is not working on 14.04
[07:32] <Haris> I configured it like;
[07:32] <TomyWork> can you upgrade to 18.04?
[07:32] <Haris> RMode config
[07:32] <Haris> RUidGid user group
[07:32] <TomyWork> does it work there?
[07:32] <Haris> can't for this box
[07:32] <TomyWork> ok
[07:32] <TomyWork> just asking :)
[07:33] <Haris> its officially available. why isn't it working ? is the config somewhat different ? Is this a bug resolved in later version(s)?
[07:34] <Haris> its been supported on centos for years. what's up with it on ubuntu ?
[07:35] <TomyWork> i have never even heard of that thing you're trying to use :)
[07:35] <TomyWork> i'm guessing it's an apache module?
[07:35] <TomyWork> i'm more of an nginx guy
[07:36] <TomyWork> a few days ago i asked about my bluetooth not working since I did a "right-click -> Turn off bluetooth" in KDE. This problem persisted even after a reboot. I managed to fix it with a "sudo hciconfig hci0 up". However, now I have to do that after every reboot or bluetooth will not work.
[07:38] <Haris> yep, its apache mod
[07:39] <TomyWork> eep, that thing sounds like a bad idea
[07:40] <TomyWork> "there are some security issues, for instance if attacker successfully exploits the httpd process, he can set effective capabilities and setuid to root."
[07:40] <TomyWork> "some"
[07:41] <TomyWork> basically you can just as well run the thing as root if you use that mod
[07:41] <TomyWork> well, not quite, but close
[07:42] <Haris> ?
[07:42] <Haris> never had a security issue with it
[07:42] <Haris> in yrs
[07:42] <TomyWork> that you know of :D
[07:42] <TomyWork> maybe no one ever tried
[07:43] <TomyWork> it's not a security issue per se, but it cuts out a huge chunk of mitigation
[07:43] <TomyWork> basically all your privilege separation can now be bypassed pretty easily
[07:46] <TomyWork> sure, usually people shouldn't be able to exploit your httpd process in the first place, but if they do, they get a privilege escalation to root for free
[07:51] <Haris> how ?
[07:51] <Haris> can it be bypassed ?
[07:56] <paleApe> Good morning, I want to execute a program via bash. The tool continues running and claims/blocks the terminal for itself. How can I continue working in the same bash window?
[07:59] <ikonia> you can background it, but it depends on the program if that's a good idea or not
[07:59] <JimBuntu> paleApe,  `/path/to/tool &`
[07:59] <guiverc> paleApe, to run a command/script in the background; end the command with a "&" (no quotes)
[07:59] <ikonia> what are you trying to execute
[07:59] <ikonia> and why would you not consider just opening a seperate terminal
[08:05] <paleApe> It's hipchat. Normally it is started automatically when ubuntu starts up but after an update the file-path was changed. So I wanted to start it manually via bash but wanted to close the bash-windows after HipChat has started up.
[08:06] <paleApe> I know, I could just execute the file via file browser. I just wanted to know, IF it's possible in general
[08:08] <Haris> guys, is there a way to make ruid2 work with apache on 14.x ?
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> Haris: your on ubuntu server?
[08:16] <Haris> yes
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> Haris: try #ubuntu-server please
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> Haris: there is also #httpd for specific apache questions
[08:17] <Haris> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS"
[08:17] <illuminated> wow that's ancient
[08:17] <Haris> ruid2 works on apache on centos. so I'm thinking it works in general. just not working on 14.x
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> illuminated: can we help you?
[08:18] <illuminated> no.  no questions for the moment.
[08:18] <Haris> already asked in #httpd
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> Haris: best way to get your issue solved, is to give us the full story, steps tryed, whats not working,whats your end goal,..all in one line to the channel
[08:28] <edmoore> does the 18.04.1 update take a while to propagate? I'm on 16.04 lts and do-release-upgrade says there's nothing
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: can take a few till upgrade window shows up
[08:30] <edmoore> a few... hours?
[08:30] <edmoore> i was hoping to do it on my work machine on a friday because what could go wrong
[08:31] <Ool> if you d'ont want to wait use -d
[08:31] <ikonia> don't use -d
[08:31] <ikonia> that can take you to a development version
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: patience is the key here, let everyone do his work..it will come
[08:32] <edmoore> i like the idea of there being lots of people in the chain waiting to deliver it to me
[08:33] <edmoore> but roger
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: releasing can never give an exact time, hope you understand?
[08:33] <edmoore> sure, i just saw a bunch of reviews for it pop up online so I assumed it was actually released
[08:33] <edmoore> rather than releasing in the present participle sense
[08:33] <Ool> ikonia: if you try it tell you which version… and if it's the 18.04 … it 's the same packages than in a few hours
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: 18.04.1 has been released yes, but for ltsupgrades it can take a while
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | edmoore
[08:34] <edmoore> righto, thank you for explaining that bit, i didn't know
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: no problem
[08:36] <guiverc> fyi:  the announcement release notes for 18.04.1 state "Users of Ubuntu 16.04 will soon be offered an automatic upgrade to 18.04.1 via Update Manager."  (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-July/000234.html)  - ie. SOON
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> Ool: be carefull if you give advice like that, we dont need users ending up on a devel release
[08:39] <Ool> lotuspsychje: in fact I always reinstall, and I wait the end of summer to change for the  new LTS version… but if people don't want to wait…
[08:39] <Ool> and it's just the last day
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> Ool: we have a lot of users on the LTS way, that can wait..
[08:39] <Ool> not 3 month before
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> Ool: until .1 releases, there are still many bugs regular users dont need
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> Ool: but lets move this to #ubuntu-discuss if you want to talk about
[08:41] <Ool> lotuspsychje: in fact I think you tell the truth :)
[08:42] <luna_> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/07/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-release
[08:43] <edmoore> yes, it was that very article that confused me infact
[08:43] <edmoore> 'the arrival of Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS also marks the point at which users of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) will begin to see an Ubuntu 18.04 upgrade notification'
[08:43] <edmoore> and do-release-upgrade showned nothing, so I thought i might have a problem
[08:44] <edmoore> fake news eh
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: do-release-upgrade is not fake...but all needs to be synced first to work
[08:45] <edmoore> i know that, i was talking about the article
[08:45] <blackflow> yah, "marks the point at which" is faek news. :)
[08:46] <edmoore> you have explainied, and I now understand, that it takes a while to propagate to ltsupgrades. the article is suggesting otherwise - it's the article that's wrong
[08:46] <blackflow> I mean, OMG! it's OMGubuntu! Clicks! Baits! Content! OMG!
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: omgubuntu is not part of canonical, if you need real news come here first
[08:49] <edmoore> a good name for the source of truth too
[08:49] <edmoore> thanks
[08:49] <wandering_vagran> Hi all, if a package is being pinned in /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences file, how can I unpin it to upgrade it?
[08:50] <wandering_vagran> apt-mark unhold says that the package is not held, which I guess is different from pinned.
[08:51] <luna_> Erisian: should pop up in 10 minutes
[08:51] <luna_> edmoore even*
[09:00] <luna_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-July/000234.html
[09:02] <PCatinean> Hello everyone, can anyone help me understand why tlp does not shut down my pcie nvidia card but when I do powertop --auto-tune it works?
[09:03] <luna_> New Ubuntu on its way down :)
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> luna_: please dont repeat in this channel, ubuntu support only
[09:05] <luna_> lotuspsychje: sorry
[09:10] <X-Seti> Hello
[09:35] <guiverc> X-Seti, hi; if you have a Ubuntu question, please just ask it (try to keep to a single line, and be patient waiting a response - most of us do other things; eg. I just noticed your 'hello' :)
[09:42] <X-Seti> Hello guiverc, I do but it's apache2 related, I followed a 'how to install the perfect server for 18.04'. only to find there is a problem with running .PHP index files, 4 weeks on i'm unable to resolve the issue.
[09:47] <guiverc> X-Seti, ideally you should have asked your question generally (others may ignore it due to my name being @ start), and I don't know apache.  I'd suggest waiting here a bit (see if someone else responds), then try #ubuntu-server where it's more likely to be used/known..  if you don't get a response from either, try again later etc...
[09:50] <blackflow> X-Seti: what's teh problem? and indeed #ubuntu-server is perhaps better place for PHP/Apache support
[09:50] <TafThorne1> Is the release a day late? =-O
[09:54] <blackflow> TafThorne1: no, it's out.
[10:01] <TafThorne1> blackflow: website just not updated yet?  Still says 18.04 not 18.04.1
[10:02] <blackflow> TafThorne1: What website? This shows 18.04.1 for me:   https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[10:02] <blackflow> (Desktop too)
[10:03] <TafThorne1> I thought https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes but that does say .1 now
[10:04] <TafThorne1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:04] <TafThorne1> blackflow: maybe that is what I was reading when I spotted 10.04 at the top and not 18.04.1
[10:05] <TafThorne1> *18.04
[10:05] <blackflow> Well that's wiki, I'm sure it'll get updated in time.
[10:10] <TafThorne1> blackflow: thank you for your help and i appologise for wating your time with my mistake
[10:12] <blackflow> TafThorne1: you're welcome.
[10:12] <Haris> Do the desktop and server version(s) have different maintainer(s) for mod ruid2 for apache2 ?
[10:14] <blackflow> Haris: "desktop" and "server" differentiate only by the ISOs and what's initially installed. otherwise it's all one and the same Ubuntu package repository.  Why do you ask?
[10:16] <Haris> mod ruid2 is not working on one 14.x install
[10:16] <Haris> 14.04.5
[10:16] <blackflow> Haris: as you also crossposted to #ubuntu-server (and please don't do that), you can continue there, as it's more relevant to the server.
[10:19] <Haris> ok
[10:28] <Nomish> .
[10:36] <InHisName> Is there a web site that explains the timing sequences of UEFI booting. Like when is mdadm raid assembled, mounting of boot partition, reading mbr, displaying grub menu, etc. Overly detailed the better.
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> InHisName: perhaps if you explain your whole story, volunteers can try to think along?
[11:19] <guiverc> InHisName, web site; no. i do remember a blog that went into horrific depth (written after a dev created the debian/ubuntu/gnome/linux-kernel boot...)  can't recall where I saw it as was year(s) ago; and I had no reason to use it (it was interesting though too detailed for me)
[11:22] <InHisName> In frustration I used the text above in a google search and stumbled on this general booting description - https://neosmart.net/wiki/mbr-boot-process/      Hmm, that site guiverc: mentions sounds interesting but might be a bit dated by now.
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> InHisName: what are you actually trying to do, can you share?
[11:24] <guiverc> InHisName, may have been 2-3 years ago, was much longer than what you found (I hoped I
[11:24] <guiverc> sorry; I hoped i'd better understand it if I printed; but would have used too much paper so didn't...)
[11:25] <guiverc> I think it was a pdf; but I may have saved it to pdf
[11:37] <JimBuntu> InHisName, https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
[11:43] <EriC^^> j #linux
[11:56] <kiki67100> Hello, it's possible to view windows 10 share from ubuntu smbclient ? I can view windows 8 share  smbclient  -g  -L 192.168.168.168 -N not work for windows 10
[11:56] <kiki67100> I have version smbclient 4.5
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !samba | kiki67100 start here
[11:57] <StucKman> anyone knows how to disable the zoom/pinch touchpad gesture in xorg/synaptics? It's driving me crazy
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> StucKman: is this usefull for you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[12:02] <StucKman> lemmesee...
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> kiki67100: there is also a nice #samba channel if you like
[12:03] <StucKman> it seems like it's an application dependent gestre
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> StucKman: wich app is that
[12:03] <StucKman> firefox, in particular
[12:03] <StucKman> I hope no others
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:04] <StucKman> so far it only bothers me when viewing a slippy map
[12:04] <kiki67100> lotuspsychje: thanks i will try
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> StucKman: i think there are FF addons for that, perhaps ask in #firefox about it?
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> StucKman: unless you presume its really ubuntu related
[12:05] <StucKman> I found how to disable it in about:config, testing now
[12:05] <StucKman> I thought it was a synaptics issue
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[12:05] <StucKman> sorry for the noise
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> StucKman: good you were investigating
[12:06] <StucKman> in fact, when I asked it here, I realised that for some reason synaptic's man page didn't have an option
[12:12] <StucKman> lotuspsychje: going to #firefox now,  thanks
[12:17] <saint__> trying to install open stack from ubuntu freshly installed desktop. it asks for LXD.  One page on the ubuntu website says to install it i need to use "snap install lxd" , another page says to use "apt instsall lxd" / is there a difference ?
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> saint__: snaps and packages from repos differ in package versions
[12:19] <saint__> lotuspsychje .. :/
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> saint__: that means, the user can choose wich lxd he wants/needs
[12:20] <saint_> lotuspsychje i need the one to open stack can run without yelling at me that lxd is not working correctly ..
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> saint__: well im no openstack expert, but wich ubuntu version and openstack do you have?
[12:22] <saint_> lotuspsychje ubuntu 18.04 / and open stack .. well.. i need to intall lxd first . my first attempt was a failure because once installed, it saw that lxd was not installed.
[12:22] <Ool> saint_: if you apt install openstack, lxc-common lxd … are in the dependance list
[12:22] <saint_> i m using this URL to install OpenStack https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> !info lxd bionic
[12:22] <saint_> they use snap, then conjure
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> saint_: the snap version will give you 3.2
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> saint_: you dont confuse that line with snapd?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> saint_: it says you need snapd & lxd not the lxd snap
[12:26] <saint_> lotuspsychje what page are you on ?
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> saint_: the page you sent url, requierments
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> saint_: Laptop, desktop or virtual machine with 16GB RAM, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, snapd and LXD installed
[12:29] <saint_> yeah. so snapd is installed and used to install lxd
[12:30] <saint_> but since lxd is not installed, i looked into the ubuntu www
[12:30] <saint_> and i found 2 pages with different installs.. snap and apt
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> saint_: i would go for the official repo version..
[12:33] <saint_> lotuspsychje being ..?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> saint_: scroll up, i triggered to you already
[12:41] <Anticom> Hi guys. I've just got a new vm from our admin but there's something wrong with the hdd's https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cjnnXJC432/
[12:42] <Anticom> it's a ubuntu server so i can't use gparted's nice ui to work on the drives
[12:42] <Anticom> i think sdb isn't mounted at all
[12:43] <Anticom> what's even more puzzling to me is that sda isn't used entirely
[12:44] <Anticom> I'm not quite sure what to do now
[12:46] <leonardus> why are my animations laggy like this? https://streamable.com/3okca
[12:47] <Anticom> As far as i can tell the / volume on sda is managed by lvm
[12:47] <Anticom> so it should be pretty straight forward to make it bigger. However i never worked with lvm before
[12:48] <Anticom> leonardus: doesn't look laggy to me
[12:50] <leonardus> are you sure? it looks like it could be much smoother
[12:54] <EriC^^> !lvm | Anticom maybe this helps
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:58] <neverkas> Hi
[13:02] <kake> I have arch setup with lvm on luks. Is it possible to replace arch with ubuntu 18 without losing home directory?
[13:04] <EriC^^> kake: back it up somewhere and then copy it over?
[13:05] <neverkas> Hi
[13:07] <kake> EriC^^: Does ubuntu installer support lvm on luks installation?
[13:19] <oerheks> kake using the home of an other linux, with all settings and config, really???
[13:22] <Anticom> I used lvextend and lvs now shows that my volume is 20G. however df -h still says it's only 4G
[13:22] <Anticom> Is there a step i'm missing? I've rebooted the vm already to see whether this fixes it
[13:24] <deww> Anticom: you need to resize the fs too.
[13:25] <deww> Anticom: resize2fs if you're using ext4
[13:36] <Anticom> deww: cheers
[14:02] <Piolodiusz> hello
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Anticom, your / (root) partition shows the actual size in the first column and "used" in the next and 4G seems quite small for an installed OS
[14:08] <beefjoe> do-release-upgrade shows no new releases ?
[14:08] <beefjoe> I have 16.04
[14:08] <BluesKaj> using df -h
[14:08] <ioria> beefjoe, chnge to 'normal'
[14:08] <beefjoe> what do you mean
[14:08] <beefjoe> ioria
[14:09] <ioria> beefjoe, /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:10] <ioria> beefjoe, change Prompt from lts to normal
[14:12] <beefjoe> Thanks!
[14:12] <ioria> ok
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> beefjoe: Note that you will now be on the non-LTS release schedule when you do that... simply switch it back for LTS again
[14:15] <beefjoe> sure
[14:15] <beefjoe> will do
[14:20] <Cheez> hmm, should do-release-upgrade not offer me 18.04.1 now?
[14:20] <Cheez> is there a delay while it mirrors everywhere? I would have expected that to be done before launch
[14:23] <oerheks> Cheez, you could have read: set updates to normal
[14:24] <Cheez> yes i know, i have that
[14:25] <Cheez> oh, duh, proxy env not set
[14:25] <xjkx> Couldnt join #hardware, hope I can ask this here: you think a HD of 1TB is faster than one of 2TB? Being both 7200 rpm, and the 2TB has a buffer of 64mb and the 1tb has 32 mb...both are sata 3, I heard more disk space makes them slower, so i'm unsure
[14:26] <oerheks> xjkx, register, the error when you try to login, is clear
[14:26] <oerheks> !register
[14:26] <oerheks> we don't do hardware, just technical ubuntu
[14:26] <xjkx> oh, sorry
[14:27] <oerheks> you will find most channels +R registered only, due to spammers
[14:27] <xjkx> I thought it was invited only, I just forgot to identify to nickserv, thanks :)
[14:27] <oerheks> have fun!
[14:30] <bezko> do-release-upgrade still not working for me, any tips?
[14:33] <ahi2> change software update settings to update "any version" and then update again and then do-release-upgrade worked for me
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> Just remember that changing to "any release" or updating the config to "normal" removes your machine from the LTS schedule. After upgrading, it would be a good idea to switch it back.
[14:36] <ahi2> will do
[14:43] <bezko> that the point of waiting untill it's available
[14:43] <oerheks> yeah wait, and wait.. wait, it is there already :-D
[14:47] <padarc> hello ... just installed kubuntu like 1hour ago. I used the terminal to install transmission and libreoffice for example, they are installed in english, not my native language even though i set language settings etc correctly, so i had to install the l10n package too. I remember (k)ubuntu used to get my native language package too automatically.
[14:48] <padarc> Somebody has an idea how to fix this?
[15:16] <thxffo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf is not working on 17.04... am i typing that correctly?
[15:18] <leftyfb> thxffo: 17.04 is EOL and no longer supported. Time to upgrade. 18.04.1 was just released yesterday
[15:18] <thxffo> that sucks
[15:18] <ryuo> thxffo: that's how it is for non-LTS releases.
[15:19] <infandum> How do I execute a command such that it return which g++ as /usr/bin/g++-8 (or any specific version I point it to)?
[15:19] <ryuo> only 9 months for regular ones.
[15:19] <infandum> CXX=/usr/bin/g++-8 would have CXX contain that value, but the program runs g++
[15:19] <infandum> not CXX
[15:24] <anderx> infandum: use update-alternatives
[15:25] <ryuo> Or, fix the program to respect CXX.
[15:25] <ryuo> either works.
[15:27] <beefjoe> Upgrading..
[15:27]  * beefjoe excited
[15:28] <ryuo> beefjoe: lol... upgrades are usually a source of stress.
[15:30] <beefjoe> I'm pretty sure something's gonna go wrong that's why I'm staying connected here xD
[15:31] <beefjoe> but it's still nice to upgrade, got nothing better to do hehe
[15:32] <BluesKaj> upgrades are usually a source of relief for me :-)
[15:34] <infandum> anderx: Is it possible to have update-alternatives for JUST a user, no one else on the system?
[15:35] <ryuo> infandum: don't believe so. that effects the whole system. though you can setup your own symlinks in the user's own PATH directory.
[15:35] <ryuo> programs typically search all of PATH to resolve commands.
[15:36] <genii> If you want each user to have different defaults than system just put their local PATH before system PATH because first match wins
[15:37] <infandum> That's a good idea, I'll try that
[15:37] <leftyfb> infandum: you can also just use an alias
[15:38] <ryuo> leftyfb: that doesn't translate to build scripts really. i think that was the context of their problem.
[15:41] <infandum> Yeah, it's for building
[15:44] <qwebirc45038> Hello, I'm having problems booting into my new Ubuntu 18.04 install, is this the place to ask for advice?
[15:44] <EriC^^> qwebirc45038: yes, what's the problem?
[15:45] <qwebirc45038> I'm getting stuck at a purple screen on start up.
[15:46] <qwebirc45038> I got it to boot using the recovery mode, but I'm hoping to fix that issue so its a one click deal, as this will be my media server.
[15:46] <EriC^^> qwebirc45038: hold shift to get grub, press 'e' over ubuntu, go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz .....quiet splash and remove quiet splash and type verbose instead and press f10 to boot
[15:47] <EriC^^> qwebirc45038: ah, then boot using verbose nomodeset , it's possibly a graphics driver issue then
[15:47] <EriC^^> try sudo apt update && sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall     after it's booted
[15:48] <qwebirc45038> I was actually kind of surprised there weren't any driver issues. I'm repurposing an HP z230.
[15:50] <EriC^^> ah
[15:50] <EriC^^> *aha
[16:01] <cavillis> !ltsupgrade
[16:04] <Brod8362> hello
[16:05] <Chipm0nk> can anyone help me with this? preferred fastboot [./Linux/fastboot] does not exist
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> Brod8362: welcome to ubuntu support, what can we do for you?
[16:05] <Chipm0nk> lotuspsychje, ^
[16:05] <Brod8362> not much, i just came around to see what's going on in here, evidently not much though
[16:05] <Brod8362> i'm pretty new to linux so i do think i'll end up using this chat sometime in the future though
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Brod8362: this is not a chat, but support only
[16:06] <Chipm0nk> can anyone help me with this? preferred fastboot [./Linux/fastboot] does not exist
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Chipm0nk
[16:07] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:07] <Chipm0nk> 18
[16:07] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: 18 is not a version of ubuntu
[16:08] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: cat /etc/issue
[16:08] <Chipm0nk> ubuntu 18
[16:08] <Chipm0nk> leftyfb, ubuntu 18.04
[16:08] <nacc> Chipm0nk: where do you get that message? you gave zero context :)
[16:08] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: and when exactly do you see this error?
[16:09] <Chipm0nk> https://pastebin.com/U5WQgqvJ
[16:09] <Chipm0nk> trying to recover my e4 plus because windows sucks.
[16:09] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: that's not an Ubuntu issue
[16:09] <nacc> Chipm0nk: also, that's not an error.
[16:09] <Chipm0nk> yes it is.
[16:09] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: you should try support from the Android dev community
[16:09] <nacc> Chipm0nk: if you dont' know what that script does, you should probably not be running the script.
[16:10] <Chipm0nk> nacc, like I said, I'm trying to recover my e4 plus.
[16:10] <oerheks> Chipm0nk, so your issue is that hwflash.sh package, we don't know about
[16:10] <Chipm0nk> the script won't run on UBUNTU
[16:10] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue, ask the script maker?
[16:10] <leftyfb> Chipm0nk: ok, contact the script developer
[16:10] <nacc> Chipm0nk: it is running fine; what it does, doesn't work, so that's the script's owner's issue
[16:11] <nacc> danieru98: sorry, was afk -- yes it's typical, the bug is probably how you will get a response
[16:12] <danieru98> nacc, great, thanks
[16:15] <thegeekbong> Hi, I have done a clean install of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, previously I was using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, running on dual-boot with Windows 10, after installation I am facing this issue where the dedicated numeric pad(on the right of a keyboard) of my laptop is not working even when the NumLock is on.(never encountered this with Ubuntu 16.04 and also the numeric keypad is working fine in Windows 10) I have searched askubuntu.com and DuckDuckGo-ed it also but
[16:15] <thegeekbong> still haven't found any article which can rectify the issue. Please if anyone can help I'll be grateful. Thanks in advance. :)
[16:16] <oerheks> thegeekbong, mind to share what laptop exactly?
[16:16] <Prestige> I had a weird issue with my keyboard, rebooting fixed it. If that doesn't work maybe it's just a driver issue?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> thegeekbong: did you add the right keyboard layout?
[16:16] <danieru98> nacc, yes, they just sent me a message asking me to test this with the latest linux mainline 4.18. Can i use Ukuu Kernel Update Utility for that? or i'll have to follow the steps on their wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelMainlineBuilds
[16:17] <nacc> danieru98: the wiki instructions
[16:17] <thegeekbong> oerheks, I'm using HP 15-ac173TU notebook
[16:17] <danieru98> nacc, fak no easy path lol, alright then
[16:18] <thegeekbong> lotuspsychje, yes, I selected the English(US) keyboard layout
[16:19] <nacc> danieru98: yeah, sorry; testing a kernel for that team is typically necessary, but it's a one-off kind of step (usually it helps determine if a further backport would fix it, etc)
[16:20] <madmangun> I'm using ukuu.  Works fine.  A few issues when upgrading the kernel with my gtx1070m nvidia open source drivers.  Found easy work around for that issue.  Kernel 4.18 is running fine on my Alienware M17r4
[16:22] <ioria> thegeekbong, happed to me when i selected 'control pointer with the keyboard' in Universal Access ; it disablethe numeric pad
[16:22] <nacc> danieru98: tbh, i've never used ukuu; so you could try it, i suppose :)
[16:23] <madmangun> ukuu - https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/ukuu-easy-way-to-install-mainline-kernel-ubuntu
[16:23] <leftyfb> madmangun: 4.18 is still in RC. It's not supported anywhere.
[16:23] <ioria> thegeekbong, happened  to me when i selected 'control pointer with the keyboard' in Universal Access ; it disables the numeric pad
[16:24] <danieru98> nacc, the message send me a link to the wiki, wo i guess i'll better do it that way rather than test it with ukuu just to have them ask me to do it as the wiki said
[16:24] <nacc> danieru98: ack
[16:24] <new_gen> my screen is flicekring constantly . can't figure out why it is happeing. I am running Ubunut 18.04 LTS
[16:24] <thegeekbong> ioria, I don't have that option in my Universal Access.
[16:24] <danieru98> leftyfb, i thought ukuu had an option for downliading RC kernels
[16:25] <leftyfb> danieru98: it does. That doesn't mean those kernels are supported here.
[16:25] <ioria> thegeekbong, it should... look for'control pinter with keyboard' then or similar
[16:25] <mustmodify_> If I delete a user using deluser, will their cron jobs go away?
[16:25] <thegeekbong> ioria, looking, please give me a min
[16:25] <leftyfb> The 4.18 kernel is still in -rc6
[16:26] <oerheks> mustmodify_, can you still login as that user?
[16:26] <oerheks> if no, you have your answer
[16:26] <mustmodify_> how is cron related to being able to login? I mean, yes or no is there an account I guess...
[16:26] <mustmodify_> but it seems like cron could run without a user account if it chose to.
[16:27] <mustmodify_> I could be wrong.
[16:27] <leftyfb> mustmodify_: it's an easy test to try out
[16:28] <leftyfb> mustmodify_: regardless, even if the cron still exists, it won't run properly since the user it tries to run as doesn't exist
[16:28] <oerheks> you stated "their cron jobs"
[16:28] <mustmodify_> k I'll give it a shot. So you're saying if I can't login then I don't have to worry about stray cron jobs.
[16:28] <oerheks> not the general ones
[16:28] <mustmodify_> right.
[16:28] <mustmodify_> ok thanks.
[16:28] <new_gen> my screen is flicekring constantly sometimes, usually flickering stops couple of minutes after booting up. can't figure out why it is happeing. I am running Ubunut 18.04 LTS.Need assistance to fix it
[16:28] <oerheks> maybe the lines are not deleted, but will never be called with that usedID
[16:28] <thegeekbong> ioria, Yes, in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS it is as Mouse Keys. It was switched on. Thank you so much. :)
[16:29] <ioria> thegeekbong, ok, no prob
[16:32] <Galaxor> So, whenever I do an apt-get upgrade, it tries to install a bunch of packages that have icons.  When it gets to "processing triggers for" these packages, it pops up a large herd of gui dialogs about importing xpm bitmaps.  So many that it is basically impossible to upgrade my system anymore.  How do I stop this?
[16:32] <Galaxor> Ubuntu 16.04.
[16:33] <UserUS> Galaxor, have you tried to force it?
[16:33] <Galaxor> UserUS: Like, apt-get upgrade --force ?
[16:34] <ioria>  gui dialogs with the terminal cmd apt-get upgrade ?
[16:34] <Galaxor> ioria: Yep!
[16:35] <ioria> Galaxor, we 'd love to see one
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> ioria: :p
[16:36] <UserUS> Galaxor, yes
[16:40] <Galaxor> http://iheartryan.com/xpm-dialog.png
[16:40] <Galaxor> Hmm, maybe this is caused by something within the package it's installing -- qubes-core-agent.
[16:40] <nacc> Galaxor: not an ubuntu package.
[16:41] <nacc> Galaxor: so they can violate policy all they want
[16:41] <ioria> Galaxor, and it's --configure -a  not apt upgrade
[16:41] <Galaxor> ioria: Right.  Yeah, I killed it during the upgrade because it was doing this.
[16:41] <ioria> i see
[16:42] <Galaxor> Okay, I'll go bug qubes about this.
[16:42] <Galaxor> Thanks.
[16:43] <ioria> Galaxor, but nacc is right,it's not an ubuntu pkg
[16:54] <H7R> test
[17:10] <SpeedrunnerG55> Hi I can’t get to my login screen
[17:13] <Stochastix_> if I did sysncfs /mnt/mydrive  , would that be a proper file descriptor ? Also, I cant do that with sync() right? If I want to sysnc only one drive, I need to do it like my first example correct?
[17:14] <nacc> Stochastix_: well, syncfs is an API. A filesystem path is not a file descriptor.
[17:15] <nacc> Stochastix_: for syncfs, you pick a file on the filesystem you want sync'd.
[17:16] <nacc> Stochastix_: also, filesystem != drive.
[17:16] <Stochastix_> is there another way to sync only one filesystem without knowing the name of any particular files?
[17:17] <Stochastix_> nacc, I know a fs is not the drive. The reason im asking what I am in my first question is that I saw an example where they used a mount point as a parameter sent to syncfs
[17:18] <Stochastix_> but the man says to use a fd
[17:19] <Stochastix_> But im still hoping there is a way to sync only one filesystem, rather than all of them with the sync command
[17:19] <H7R> Stochastix_ a FD on linux is /dev/sdXX
[17:19] <H7R> for a drivve
[17:19] <H7R> drive
[17:20] <H7R> something like /dev/sda for a drive and /dev/sda1 for a partition filesystem
[17:21] <nacc> H7R: i don't know what you're talking about.
[17:21] <nacc> Stochastix_: link to example?
[17:23] <H7R> nacc in linux all is file even filesystems and drives ! /dev/sda mean about the 1rst hdd and /dev/sda1 mean about the first file system on the first drive !
[17:23] <nacc> Stochastix_: you don't need to know the name of a file on a given mountpoint, to find a file in it
[17:24] <nacc> H7R: none of those are FDs = File Descriptors.
[17:24] <nacc> H7R: those are files (special ones), as you say.
[17:24] <nacc> Stochastix_: also, what exactly are you trying to solve? :)
[17:24] <H7R> /dev/sda is the file to access the first hdd !
[17:25] <nacc> H7R: please stop.
[17:25] <nacc> H7R: that is not relevant in any way to this discussion.
[17:25] <H7R> nacc I just try to help !
[17:26] <oerheks> he is talking about hard and softlinks in a filesystem, look at it virtual, not metal
[17:26] <H7R> oerheks : don't understand !
[17:26] <nacc> H7R: there is no need for so many exclamation points. You were not being helpful in this case.
[17:27] <oerheks> H7R, it could be raid or lvm, so the data can be on any disk
[17:27] <EriC^^> Stochastix_: what do you know about the filesystem?
[17:27] <EriC^^> Stochastix_: i mean you want to use just 'sync /dev/sda1' for instance? that's all you know is the block device file?
[17:28] <H7R> nacc : shit of this fucking syntax ! i do it without thinking, it's like a reflex with me ...
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> !language | H7R
[17:28] <oerheks> H7R, your fine, don't feel offended
[17:28] <H7R> ubottu with you any punctuation sign is agressive !
[17:29] <oerheks> well, Mark said: keep the channel family friendly
[17:29] <H7R> yep !
[17:30] <H7R> are you human or computers ? can't you be flexible about "!" marks ?
[17:30] <nacc> H7R: it was just a suggestion, relax.
[17:30] <oerheks> tell us more about the filesystem
[17:31] <H7R> nacc no because (you are computer)?I'll talk C++, I'll speak human;
[17:32] <nacc> H7R: ok, I'm putting you in my ignore, have a nice day.
[17:32] <H7R> okay !
[17:32] <Stochastix_> EriC^^, Its a temp transfer drive mounted under /mnt/xfer, after writing stuff to it, I just wanted to sync  before umount in a script
[17:32] <Stochastix_> But I thought there may be a good way to sync only that drive rather then calling sync for the whole system
[17:33] <hggdh> H7R: please calm down. Being aggressive does not produce any good results
[17:33] <nacc> Stochastix_: you could mount it sync, as well
[17:33] <H7R> whois nacc
[17:33] <Stochastix_> Or I should say, call sync, only for that one filesystem on that one partition, on that drive
[17:33] <EriC^^> Stochastix_: sync /mountpoint might potentially work, you could try to strace it to see if its just syncing that one fs
[17:35] <EriC^^> Stochastix_: indeed it seems that sync /boot/efi only syncs /boot/efi
[17:36] <nacc> EriC^^: does it end up calling syncfs?
[17:36] <Stochastix_> oh, thanks EriC^^
[17:36] <EriC^^> nacc: nope, it uses fsync()
[17:36] <nacc> EriC^^: ah ok
[17:36] <EriC^^> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B53v8FX4Yg/
[17:38] <EriC^^> Stochastix_: no problem
[17:40] <neverkas`> asd
[17:40] <neverkas`> hi
[17:41] <neverkas`> I've a question about update my ubuntu
[17:41] <nacc> neverkas`: ask away
[17:42] <neverkas`> I've Ubuntu 14 and I'd like to update it. My question I won't lose all my information that I've?
[17:43] <EriC^^> neverkas`: no
[17:43] <nacc> neverkas`: 14.04, you mean? no, you should not; but you also should have backups before large upgrades of any data you do care about
[17:44] <leftyfb> neverkas`: Always have backups unless the data is only temporary or unimportant
[17:44] <neverkas`> mm
[17:45] <neverkas`> How can I do that? I mean a backup.
[17:45] <EriC^^> neverkas`: get an external hdd and copy/paste your stuff
[17:46] <leftyfb> neverkas`: there's countless solutions. Ubuntu comes with one called Dejavu.
[17:46] <oerheks> neverkas`, if you don't have a backup already, your data is not important
[17:50] <neverkas`> Ahh ok I'll find out about Dejavu
[17:50] <danieru98> How do i add a tag to a bug report on bugs.launchpad.net?
[17:50] <neverkas`> yes it's important for me what I've on the system e.e but I don't usually use linux all time.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> neverkas`: making a backup is not Os related
[17:52] <danieru98> nvm i found it
[18:27] <FreeBDSM> someone, please, help me understand what's happening. https://paste.ee/p/stf6L I did `apt autoremove; apt install xpra` and it lists a list of packages for autoremove. I do `apt autoremove` again and there's nothing! looks like apt/apt-get's database is broken. This is core functionality of an OS, what. the. hell??
[18:27] <FreeBDSM> also, I did `apt-get install --install-suggests winehq-staging` and it deleted me some packages, including `xpra`! what the hell?
[18:29] <nacc> FreeBDSM: I *think* it's because of what you are installing
[18:30] <nacc> FreeBDSM: you are removing a bunch of i386 pacakges, which makes other packages removable
[18:30] <nacc> FreeBDSM: don't know about the latter comment, maybe pastebin the terminal.log or somethhing
[18:30] <nacc> FreeBDSM: winehq-staging isn't an ubuntu package, though, so it's probably something in that
[18:32] <oerheks> What is Wine Staging? Wine Staging is the testing area of winehq.org. It contains bug
[18:32] <oerheks> s fixes
[18:32] <oerheks> good luck there
[18:34] <FreeBDSM> how installing X may result into uninstalling Y?
[18:35] <FreeBDSM> this makes no sense to me, unless X asks for dep Z which needs to replace Y (and thus Y has to be removed first)
[18:36] <oerheks> mind the i386 and the full 64 bit packages, that makes it double interesting
[18:40] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xpra/+bug/1691025
[18:52] <neverkas> Asd
[18:53] <neverkas> Hi H7R
[18:57] <nacc> FreeBDSM: yes, it's possible that is the case, you didn't say it was or wasn't
[18:58] <nacc> FreeBDSM: urgh, and xpra is python < 2.8 only? i'd just not use it
[19:00] <nacc> ioria: nice fine, no one ever replied to my comment :)
[19:00] <ioria> nacc, yup
[19:01] <nacc> FreeBDSM: you can also have conflicting dependencies, an; what it looks like in your case is python 64-bit and python 32-bit
[19:02] <booh> is it possible to install java10 on ubuntu 16.04 (32bits) ?
[19:07] <oerheks> openjdk10 is EOL and xenial gives  8?
[19:07] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial-updates&keywords=openjdk
[19:08] <tomreyn> i think 8 is considered some kind of LTS
[19:08] <tomreyn> (while 10 is not)
[19:09] <ioria> yep,ts public support will end next September
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> java 10 was just released... how is it end of life?
[19:13] <FreeBDSM> nacc: ok, what do I do?
[19:13] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: oracle changed how they support newer java releases.
[19:14] <havenstance> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/eol-135779.html
[19:14] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history
[19:14] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html
[19:16] <oerheks> i did not refer to the oracle blob
[19:16] <binaryhermit> I'm curious, ts?
[19:17] <ioria> typo
[19:17] <binaryhermit> oh
[19:17] <booh> Ok so... I will try to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.  At apt upgrade I have a message: python-enum : Conflicts: python-enum34 but 1.1.2-1 is to be installed
[19:17] <binaryhermit> I figured that was likely the thing
[19:18] <ioria> !info python-enum
[19:18] <ioria> !info python-enum  xenial
[19:18] <ioria> booh, i'd say remove it
[19:18] <neverkas1> H7n
[19:19] <H7R> yep
[19:19] <H7R> need to diner...
[19:19] <ioria> booh, it needs python-enum34
[19:19] <booh> thanks.  I'm not used to python... I've done it.  Seems to be good.
[19:20] <booh> release upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 should be ok?
[19:21] <ioria> booh, i did it without issues
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: python-enum is available in 18.04, however, I think it's name changed since Python 3.x is default and python-enum is only a Python 2.x library. Python 3 supports enum natively
[19:22] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, yes, probably but the specific pkg not in the repo
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, they backported python 3.x enum library to python 2 ... installs under the package python-enum34
[19:23] <ioria> yep
[19:24] <booh> do-release-upgrade give me no new release..
[19:27] <booh> ok I use -d
[19:29] <booh> after upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04, should I switch from unity to gnome?  Or maybe I don't have this choice too... don't know what to do.
[19:30] <padarc> booh: unity is basically now a modified gnome. You can ofc also use the "normal gnome"
[19:30] <padarc> cant tell you what you like more though ... i hate both and use kde :P
[19:31] <ioria> booh, in theory, unity it's still in the bionic repo and should wotk with gdm3
[19:31] <ioria> *work
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> I believe the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 will continue to use Unity... though I'm not 100% certain on that
[19:31] <booh> Ok I try :)  I'll see...
[19:32] <oerheks> !find unitydesktop
[19:32] <beaver> ^^
[19:32] <ioria> !info unity
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> I too have gone to KDE as my primary DE. I find it fits my desired usage cases better.
[19:34] <ioria> booh, if you face issues using unity,try to install unity-session
[19:36] <ryuo> booh: there's also MATE flavor. it has a unity clone mode of sorts.
[19:36] <ioria> ryuo, really ? package name ?
[19:37] <Furai> Are core dumps automatically collected in latest bionic beaver?
[19:37] <ryuo> ioria: it's part of default mate package set for Ubuntu Mate.
[19:37] <ioria> ryuo, i see
[19:37] <ryuo> ioria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bcf03kUn-c
[19:38] <ioria> munity, yes
[19:41] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[19:41] <oerheks> it is still here, and mir8 is in progress
[20:02] <apetresc> I have Unity installed and Bluetooth works perfectly there using the built-in system settings panel. When I'm in i3 instead of Unity, is it possible to still use this panel to connect/disconnect bluetooth devices? If so, what's it called? I can't find it in my drun menu
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> apetresc: are you referring to managing bluetooth from the "System Settings" application found in the launcher or the are you using the Applet in the top menu bar of the desktop?
[20:05] <apetresc> pragmaticenigma: I guess I thought they were the same thing (as in, both interfacing with the same backend). Both work fine in Unity and I'd be fine with either one in i3
[20:06] <apetresc> I don't know how to get to either one from i3 though
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> apetresc: If you are running Ubuntu 16.04, try "unity-control-center" ... if you are running 17.10 or 18.04, try "gnome-control-center"
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> apetresc: Here is the information I was able to find: https://askubuntu.com/a/116659
[20:07] <apetresc> Ah, thanks
[20:07] <apetresc> Does it need to be run as a certain user or something?
[20:07] <apetresc> Because it comes up with a blank sidebar in i3
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> apetresc: I don't believe it would be certain user... it might be looking for a compistor or specific feature of unity's window manager for display that isn't available in i3
[20:11] <danieru98> nacc, aside from testing linux 4.18rc6 to confirm the bug is still present as i was requested, i tested linux 4.15 RC versions and i found linux 4.15rc4 is the first version where this bug im having occurs. Any ideas what could i do to further debug this?
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> apetresc: I believe that system settings is providing an interface to blueman... though I'm not too familiar with bluetooth in Linux
[20:13] <hggdh> danieru98: you bisect the kernel. You know the bug is between 4.15 RC and the previous dev release. You can get more details and help at #ubuntu-kernel
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> i'm not sure what more to suggest... google searches for me are leading towards manage bluetooth in Unity then switch to i3
[20:14] <causasui> mkfs.ext4 on a 600gb gpt partition i just created gives `/dev/sda2 contains '5View capture file' data Proceed anyway?` what is that, is it a problem?
[20:14] <danieru98> hggdh, thanks
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> causasui: was that drive being used for network packet capture, or other sys admin purposes where log files, video data, or other data would have been logging to?
[20:17] <causasui> It is a drive usually intended for that purpose but I am just backing up some data on it
[20:18] <nacc> danieru98: that's probably great info for the bug; beyond that yo'd need to do a git bisect to get any more info
[20:22] <danieru98> nacc, sounds like lots of recompiles of the kernel, im glad i forced myself to learn the basics when i used gentoo. And they said using gentoo for one year was useless lol
[20:23] <causasui> pragmaticenigma: any suggestions?
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> causasui: I would verify that nothing is currently still configured to use that drive as a log destination. If nothing is there, and all the data on there is accounted for (meaning you've verified you don't care about it) you could proceed
[20:29] <mmazing> i cannot for the life of me get my ethernet port to work on this 18.04 lubuntu install, i was having the same issues with my laptop (they use the same chipset Realtek 8168) and fixed it on my laptop but the same steps haven't worked on this desktop
[20:29] <mmazing> anyone have some ideas for troubleshooting?
[20:29] <ryuo> mmazing: and what did you try?
[20:29] <oerheks> and what fix was that?
[20:29] <mmazing> installed r8168-dkms
[20:30] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/r8168-dkms
[20:30] <mmazing> yeah, it's installed and ethtool shows the port using r8168 instead of r8169 (r8169 causes issues so it's blacklisted)
[20:31] <xjkx> Can I tell Ubuntu what sata HD I want to have as sda or sdb, or is it like the sata port that does it?
[20:32] <oerheks> it is hardware based detection indeed, xjkx, there might be a blogpost howto change that, but i would not use that seriously
[20:33] <geirha> xjkx: Instead you can use uuid or label.  ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[20:33] <ryuo> xjkx: why does it matter?
[20:34] <ryuo> xjkx: if it's for installation, the installer's guided mode lets you choose which drive to install to.
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> xjkx: that is typically assigned by the kernel. It may coincidentally match the SATA ports on the motherboard, but that is not certain.
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> xjkx: If you are trying to mount or manually address a drive, it is best to find out what it's uuid is and access via the path geirha recommended
[20:36] <ryuo> UUIDs... don't map to the actual drive. Usually a FS.
[20:36] <xjkx> I mean, way before, when I had two HDs, it was sometimes sda and sometimes sdb, that is my worry, because I want it to at least have the same name every time, so I dont confuse it and end up erasing what I shouldnt, if the kernel is picking it then fine, as long as tomorrow sda will still be sda
[20:36] <ryuo> xjkx: in that case, you want to use the unique identifiers for the given drive.
[20:37] <ryuo> For the actual drive, it's the stuff under /dev/disk/by-id
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> xjkx: From the kernel documentation, the /dev/sd@# is not promised, to ensure you accessing the intended device use the UUID
[20:37] <oerheks> sme name?
[20:37] <ryuo> if it's for the actual filesystem, then you'd want the UUID stuff.
[20:37] <mmazing> i've purged/reinstalled r8168-dkms and no dice, any ideas?
[20:38] <oerheks> no idea about that r8169  remark, no
[20:39] <xjkx> So...like mkfs.ext4 /dev/disk/The-UUid12 for partition 12?
[20:39] <ryuo> No.
[20:39] <mmazing> r8169 is the default module that comes with ubuntu that applies to realtek chipsets but doesn't work for mine, there's several guides out there how to fix it and i can't really see anything wrong right now except the port does nothing
[20:39] <ryuo> UUIDs only work if the FS is already created.
[20:39] <mmazing> trying to figure out other avenues to debug what is going wrong with it
[20:39] <ryuo> xjkx: something like: /dev/disk/XXXXX-part12
[20:39] <ryuo> err
[20:40] <ryuo> xjkx: something like: /dev/disk/by-id/XXXXX-part12
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> xjkx: what exactly are you attempting to do... I don't believe you have provided enough information for anyone to give you an accurate answer
[20:44] <xjkx> pragmaticenigma: I just dont want to accidentally erase sdb12 thinking it was sda12 ^^ I'm just not trusting myself, lol, it is that I get used to /dev/sda being my system and /dev/sdb my backup drive, and eventually delete one thinking to be the other, but that's ok I'll get used to uuid I guess
[21:04] <person_> Is it worth it right now to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.1 lts?
[21:04] <saint_> anyone installed openstack by any chance, from scratch ?
[21:04] <saint_> just did it, but it won't connect to the http interface.
[21:05] <saint_> it looks like there is no service listening on port 80 .. :/
[21:05] <saint_> the openstack documentation does not talk about installing a web server ..
[21:05] <saint_> any input welcome :)
[21:07] <nacc> saint_: you probalby want #ubuntu-server or #openstack, if you aren't using the ubuntu cloud archive pacakges
[21:07] <oerheks> this might be a netplan issue
[21:09] <nacc> oerheks: it's possible, but i'd find that surprising; they installed openstack in the first place, so i assume they have networking; anything above that is not netplan
[21:10] <saint_> netstat -nap|grep 80 does not show anything listening on http, so netplan is out
[21:11] <saint_> www service is not up
[21:11] <saint_> *but* openstack doc does not talk about this in the requirements
[21:11] <saint_> so i assumed it would check / install nginx / apache by itself
[21:11] <nacc> saint_: what was "it" in the second sentence?
[21:11] <nacc> saint_: also, really not an ubuntu support topic if from the upstream src
[21:12] <saint_>  they are all sleeping on #openstack. though i'd have more chance here
[21:12] <saint_> nacc "it" was "i just installed it
[21:14] <man_yo> saint .. it's        netstat -nap | grep 80
[21:14] <saint_> man_yo ?
[21:15] <nacc> saint_: it's not ubuntu packages or anything with ubuntu, sorry.
[21:15] <nacc> saint_: "it won't connect to the http interface"
[21:16] <saint_> nacc sorry. it, being my browser or a telnet on the machine on port 80 ..
[21:16] <nacc> saint_: what does that have to do with openstack?
[21:16] <nacc> saint_: it sounds like *you* are expecting a browser, not openstack; in any case,  your question seems misworded, and this is the wrong place :)
[21:17] <saint_> nacc openstack offers a WWW interface ("Horizon"). I thought it (the www server) would be installed by default
[21:17] <man_yo> saint your command is not exact
[21:17] <saint_> man_yo how it is not ?
[21:18] <illuminated> I'm using mkfs.ext4 to format a 200 GB iscsi disk.. it's on the step of Creating journal (262144 blocks):
[21:18] <illuminated>  and it's been doing it for like 30 minutes.  Is  this normal or abnormal?
[21:18] <saint_> s/is it/
[21:18] <nacc> saint_: https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/install/install-ubuntu.html says us a package, and that package depends on apache2.
[21:19] <saint_> nacc good point. i based myself on the https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack documentation
[21:19] <nacc> saint_: https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/install/from-source.html says if doing from src, "Deployment:" install apache2.
[21:19] <saint_> which is obviously incomplete regarding the requirements ..
[21:19] <nacc> saint_: so you used conjure-up?
[21:19] <saint_> nacc thanks for being my 2nd pair of eyes.
[21:19] <saint_> nacc yes
[21:19] <nacc> saint_: uh.
[21:20] <nacc> saint_: that's *not* from scratch
[21:20] <nacc> saint_: that's ... using conjure-up
[21:20] <nacc> saint_: if you use conjure-up, i think there's an irc channel for it, or you want #ubuntu-server.
[21:20] <saint_> nacc i will check it out. thanks a ton for the help
[21:20] <nacc> saint_: yw
[21:21] <man_yo> saint you must put a space in this command ..... netstat -anp | grep 80
[21:22] <BlunderButt> Howdy.  New to IRC.  Just upgraded Ubuntu from 17.10 to 1804 on relatively new (to me) Motherboard.  My integral Ethernet chip, RTL8111E, seems not to be found.  Any suggestions?
[21:22] <nacc> man_yo: there were spaces in their command.
[21:23] <saint_> nacc grep does not need space.
[21:24] <saint_> netstat -nap|grep 80 or netstat -nap | grep 80 gives the same result
[21:24] <nacc> saint_: yes, you're right, i saw their paste as yours; in any case, your comand was/is fine, and man_yo is incorrect
[21:26] <man_yo> it's correct for me.. i just test it
[21:28] <nacc> man_yo: spaces are not necessary. Your command and saint_'s are functionally the same.
[21:30] <man_yo> ok
[21:40] <edarfoc> hi guys! :)
[21:41] <edarfoc> are you able to search in the file dialogue?
[21:41] <edarfoc> it fails here, it only searches for the first letter
[21:41] <edarfoc> with the rest you write, it tries to replicate the old type ahead behaviour
[22:23] <yukip> i miss gnome 2 too
[22:26] <yukip> used to be  able to type in nautilus and it would highlight the folder, no need to to a full blown search
[22:26] <yukip> to do*
[22:26] <yukip> much faster
[22:27] <ffejj> howdy folks... i have a snap application with a lot of *.desktop files in its common/app-data/applications directory-  how can i set that directory where the ubuntu mate desktop menu will see it ?
[22:27] <nacc> ffejj: you may want to ask in #snappy
[22:29] <ffejj> ok, done (but plz if anyone knows say something here too haha)
[22:31] <brainwash> ffejj: copy them over to ~/.local/share/applications, or create symlinks
[22:32] <ffejj> brainwash: yes... but.. when a new .desktop file is created, i would like for it to be added to the menu too :)
[22:32] <oerheks> why would mate not see them?
[22:32] <ffejj> idk is there a way to tell mate which directories to read .desktop from?
[22:37] <oerheks> .. why would a snap suddenly create a desktop file..
[22:37] <ffejj> because it's an android emulator and it makes .desktops of installed apks
[22:39] <monsune> hello, i'm root and when trying to mkdir xyz i get: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘xyz’: Operation not permitted, i'm puzzled with this, how should i proceed to find out what's wrong in there?
[22:41] <nacc> ffejj: i think applications/ supports subdirs
[22:41] <ffejj> nacc: it seems like i have already tried that but i will double check.
[22:41] <nacc> ffejj: did you try just making a symlink from ~/.local/share/applications/<dirname> -> ~/snap/common/app-data/applications ?
[22:42] <nacc> ffejj: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s02.html based upon the example for /usr/share/applications
[22:42] <nacc> oh youc an also aparently add it toXDG_DATA_DIRS?
[22:43] <ffejj> yeah, i was just investigating XDG_DATA_DIRS
[22:43] <yukip> so do snaps include all the resources?
[22:46] <nacc> yukip: depending on what you mean by resources, yes
[22:47] <nacc> yukip: snaps ships all their dependencies in the snap, generally speaking
[22:48] <yukip> ok
[22:49] <jacks_> hi, i've configured manual link-local addresses in netplan but the auto generated EUI-64 link-local addresses are still being added, i've disabled autoconf and set accept-ra to no, any ideas?
[22:49] <jetgirl> h
[22:49] <jetgirl> hi
[22:50] <ryuo> jacks_: disable link-local addressing?
[22:51] <jacks_> ryuo: that would break ipv6
[22:51] <ryuo> jacks_: you are using networkd as the backend?
[22:52] <jacks_> ryuo: i'm using netplan
[22:52] <ryuo> jacks_: yes, but it has to be rendering to another network configuration system.
[22:52] <ryuo> that's networkd or NetworkManager.
[22:53] <jacks_> ryuo: yeah netplan.
[22:53] <ryuo> what's your renderer line then?
[22:53] <jacks_> ryuo: there isn't one - what's it used for?
[22:55] <jacks_> ryuo: oh i see what you mean, its systemd-networkd
[22:56] <ryuo> jacks_: accept-ra won't effect LL stuff because that's independent of RAs...
[22:56] <ryuo> jacks_: only way I know of is to disable LLA entirely and rely upon your static configured ones.
[22:57] <jacks_> ryuo: how does one do that ?
[22:57] <ryuo> jacks_: because the kernel will automatically generate one.
[22:57] <jacks_> ryuo: right, i thought it was from the advertisement
[22:57] <ryuo> jacks_: yes... that only applies to RA prefixes.
[22:57] <jacks_> ok
[22:58] <ryuo> Hm
[22:58] <jacks_> ryuo: then i would have thought disabling autoconf in sysctl would disable that?
[22:58] <ryuo> what was the command you used to do that?
[22:59] <jacks_> sudo sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.autoconf=0
[22:59] <Aaron> why does ubuntu takes so long to downlaod
[22:59] <Aaron> *download
[22:59] <ryuo> jacks_: was this before or after the address was configured?
[22:59] <openchromehelp> hi, xserver-xorg-video-openchrome driver requires resetting monitor settings for normal display (VGA: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 02)), I do that by setting lxrandr, but that does not set such configuration for the login screen (lightdm i believe).
[22:59] <Aaron> !download
[23:00] <jacks_> Aaron: its the solar flares
[23:00] <oerheks> Aaron, did you do the donation?
[23:00] <openchromehelp> is there a way to make that configuration persistent, including for the login screen?
[23:00] <jacks_> ryuo: i added it to /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf && reboot
[23:00] <Aaron> lol I donate with my time and effort of creating Ubuntu better
[23:01] <ryuo> jacks_: what was the line?
[23:01] <ryuo> jacks_: net.ipv6.conf.all.autoconf=0 ?
[23:02] <jacks_> ryuo: yes
[23:02] <ryuo> Curious...
[23:02] <nacc> jacks_: and to be sure, did you check it's set to 0; if the network is setup in your initrd, you mightneed to update your initramfs (or pass it on the kernel command line to be sure)?
[23:02] <ryuo> I wonder what networkd is doing.
[23:03] <ryuo> yea, that's a possibility.
[23:03] <nacc> i feel like system settings, esp. networking, it's best to do it as early as possible, just in case
[23:03] <nacc> systemd runs quite early, nt sure on systemd-networkd itself
[23:03] <ryuo> nacc: yea... that's why i don't use netplan on my server. :/
[23:03] <jacks_> nacc: yes it's definately 0
[23:04] <ryuo> it fails to rename interfaces.
[23:04] <ryuo> i just use networkd directly.
[23:04] <openchromehelp> or maybe, is there a script/package that sets this? lubuntu 15.10 used to work fine, but that driver came with the installation.
[23:04] <ryuo> openchromehelp: yes, maybe? try writing an X11 configuration file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[23:05] <jacks_> nacc: its just netplan
[23:05] <ffejj> nacc: it wasn't working earlier because all of my symlinks were malformed ;)
[23:05] <nacc> ffejj: ah :)
[23:06] <nacc> jacks_: not sure what you mean by "just netplan"
[23:06] <nacc> jacks_: that's only one part of the setup of networking
[23:06] <ffejj> LPT: ln -s /full/path/original /full/path/link
[23:06] <jacks_> nacc: netplan with systemd-networkd
[23:07] <nacc> jacks_: but in any case, i'd still make sure the sysctl is set correctly in the initrd env (you can boot with init=/bin/bash to see, or just pass it unconditionally on the kernel cmdline)
[23:07] <nacc> jacks_: it does no harm to test it )
[23:07] <jacks_> nacc: any guide on the initrd env setup?
[23:07] <BlindWiz> hi all, I just upgrade my server from 16.04.4 to 18.04.1.  when I use apt-get to install anything it is still getting packages from the xenial repos.  how can I fix this?
[23:07] <ryuo> BlindWiz: how do you know?
[23:08] <Aaron> BlindWiz, check you're /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:08] <ryuo> if you mean 3rd party, you may need to adjust them manually.
[23:08] <jacks_> Aaron: that reads check you are /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:08] <BlindWiz> what?
[23:09] <BlindWiz> Aaron ok, it is still set for xenail.  can I just replace xenial with bionic and I'll be update to date?
[23:09] <jacks_> thanks guys. i'll look into the initrd setup
[23:10] <Aaron> yes BlindWiz after that just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:10] <BlindWiz> ryao what do you mean "how do I know?" when using apt-get it shows the url where its dl'ing packages from
[23:11] <BlindWiz> AAA_awright why do you think the upgrade from 16 to 18 didn't update this file?
[23:11] <BlindWiz> Aaron sorry, mis-typed your name
[23:11] <Aaron> just type apt-get autoclean
[23:12] <Aaron> hopefully you don't get any errors;
[23:12] <ryuo> BlindWiz: You should check both the ubuntu and 3rd party repos (PPAs...)
[23:14] <nacc> jacks_: i think you just need to run `sudo update-initramfs -u -k all`
[23:14] <BlindWiz> Aaron type apt-get autoclean after I replace xenail with bionic? and then do a apt-get update &&& apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:14] <Aaron> yes BlindWiz
[23:14] <BlindWiz> Aaron working on it now. Thanks.
[23:14] <nacc> BlindWiz: how did you upgrade?
[23:14] <Aaron> okay.
[23:15] <BlindWiz> nacc I used the tool do-release-upgrade ... Why?
[23:16] <nacc> BlindWiz: just wondering, as that probably shouldn't have happened; did you use -d or anything?
[23:16] <BlindWiz> nacc no, I just the normal command...
[23:17] <BlindWiz> but I've seen worse issues happen when upgrading.  at least this one is easy to fix in my /etc/apt/sources.list file. :)
[23:17] <lovepopsickle> i wonder why the updater did not replace xenial with bionic?
[23:17] <nacc> yeah it seems like a bug
[23:17] <lovepopsickle> k
[23:17] <Aaron> then report the bug
[23:17] <lovepopsickle> lol
[23:17] <Aaron> so at least developers have it in mind.
[23:18] <nacc> Aaron: i assume you are asking BlindWiz to do so; please direct the message to them
[23:18] <Aaron> lol
[23:18] <Aaron> Don't worry if. I see a bug. I report it.
[23:19] <nacc> Aaron: you shouldn't just report random bugs, unless you can reproduce them.
[23:21] <lovepopsickle> i actually i have that happened before in the past but that has been so long ago.
[23:22] <BlindWiz> aaron thaniks. its working great now.
[23:22] <Aaron> No problem BlindWiz
[23:22] <Aaron> any time.
[23:22] <BlindWiz> now I have 7 cloud instances to upgrade to 18.04.1... so if I can get this issue to reproduce some more I'll report it.
[23:24] <jacks_> nacc: thanks ill look into it when i get back
[23:25] <SpeedrunnerG55> hello, i managed to fix my login issue, i needed to reinstall my nvidia drivers, now my second monitor is flashing on and off every now and then
[23:26] <SpeedrunnerG55> im using 18.04.1
[23:26] <Aaron> !nvidia
[23:30] <SpeedrunnerG55> i alreaddy installed the proprietary drivers
[23:30] <SpeedrunnerG55> im not havving anny issues with that, i just want to know why my screen is flickering
[23:31] <nacc> SpeedrunnerG55: i'd look to correlate that behavior with syslog or dmesg output
[23:31] <nacc> maybe Xorg.0.log output
[23:34] <kernix> hey
[23:37] <SpeedrunnerG55> i dont recognise anything in the log ill pastebin it
[23:38] <SpeedrunnerG55> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WdfRWYXQSx/
[23:39] <SpeedrunnerG55> i notice beofre the screen goes black it will shake a little from side to side
[23:43] <SpeedrunnerG55> it seams to be tied to my mousemovements, it will go black whenever i move my mouse a lot
[23:47] <tomreyn> i see a workaround there: dont move it!
[23:47] <tomreyn> your log's first error message is "systemd-logind: TakeControl failed:" ... i'd search for this
[23:48] <tomreyn> if the first one doesn't find anything relevant, try "(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[23:48] <tomreyn> SpeedrunnerG55:
[23:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> i think it had something to do with the launcher
[23:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> i disabled auto-hide launcher and now its not flicjkering
[23:55] <qwebirc62344> Having trouble with the installer.  Machine can’t find an internet connection.
[23:56] <qwebirc62344> How can I troubleshoot this?