[01:53] <lotuspsychje> yes!! its raining
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> and good mornin :p
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: xenial received upgrade window yet?
[02:25] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: Heya
[02:25] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> morning tsimonq2
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: nice tsimonq2
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: no point supporting ancient boxes indeed
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> with all those cpu exploits..
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: if users need/want they can use minimal lubuntu install right
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> tune down their needs anyway
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> and if the machine cant handle that anymore, its ready for the recycle
[02:31] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: Don't spread this too much but I have somethong else in mknd... https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32
[02:31] <tsimonq2> *mind
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> nice plan
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> i always loved linux users choice
[02:33] <tsimonq2> Right :)
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> like those early redhat install where we could choose kde or gnome and individual packages
[02:36] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: so, some new energy for UWN on lubuntu this week :p
[02:38] <tsimonq2> hehe
[03:29] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Ya want to leave the softpedia article as exclusive coverage in UWN or also include your blog in this issue ?
[05:43] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> hey morning EriC^^
[05:56] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> its raining EriC^^ :p
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> cool breeze tru the open doors :p
[05:57] <EriC^^> nice
[06:00] <Bashing-om> Heber Springs, AR: Temp: 68°F (20°C) ~ Clear ~ Humidity: 94% ~ Wind: Calm ~ Observed: Sat 28, 00:55
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> feels good now
[06:03] <Bashing-om> A very nice and welcome respite .
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> yess
[06:06] <lovepopsickle> lotuspsychje, needs a new hobby
[06:06] <lovepopsickle> probably get mad me talking in here
[06:07] <mwsb> Calm down.
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah talk here
[06:07] <mwsb> No point in keeping a feud going.
[06:07] <lovepopsickle> lotuspsychje, maybe look at your logs about me trying to talk here and trying to stop that
[06:07] <mwsb> Just let it go and move on.
[06:12] <Bashing-om> exit - stage left \o
[06:18] <guiverc> danger will robinson:   that brought back old memories;  but what about the younger gen who never watched lost in space?  (the lucky ones??)
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:32] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[10:32] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, EriC^^ , how are you guys today?
[10:33] <ducasse> fine, thanks - and you, BluesKaj?
[10:34] <BluesKaj> doing fine here , thanks, ducasse
[10:34] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: good thanks, you?
[10:34] <ducasse> we were promised rain today, but it keeps getting postponed :(
[10:34] <BluesKaj> yup, fine EriC^^
[10:37] <BluesKaj> ducasse, yeah, we had the same problem for a few weeks here, now we multiple forest fires in the region, not threatneing us tho.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> have
[10:38] <BluesKaj> firefighters from as far as Mexico have been brought in to help...serious stuff
[10:39] <ducasse> lack of rain is a real issue here as well, yet we still send people and gear to sweden
[10:40] <BluesKaj> seems to be happening everywhere
[10:42] <ducasse> this summer is pretty harsh
[10:46] <BluesKaj> global warming seems to be a fact by now, not just speculation like some naysayers call it
[10:47] <BluesKaj> we had almost a monthe 30+ degrees C here, very unusual
[10:48] <BluesKaj> with very little rain, the forests are tinder dry
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> upgrade window noticed yet on xenial guys?
[16:17] <tomreyn> wont happen until sarnold + co push some buttons
[16:17] <tomreyn> +hi
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> ah kk tnx tomreyn
[16:24] <oerheks> so bvargo is back to square 1, where we left of an hour ago
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> oO
[16:27] <tomreyn> and i think their 'malware' is a cover story.
[16:28] <tomreyn> oh wait permissions were ret by itself?
[16:28] <tomreyn> *reset
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> perhaps they scanned with outdated clamav :p
[16:29] <tomreyn> or zfs ;)
[16:30] <oerheks> i was messing around with permissions the other day. i forget why, but can we track that down?  there i hooked off
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> cant recall here
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> !info apt
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> wb hggdh
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia390
[19:57] <hggdh> just upgraded one cloud server to 18.04.1, uneventful
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> cool
[20:04] <hggdh> still nice. This instance runs my weechat and a few IRC bots (so a small server), and everything survived
[20:57] <oerheks>  we are so happy with you, hggdh
[21:09] <hggdh> oerheks: so I upgraded two of my servers to 18.04*. One as soon as 18.04 was released -- barfed at the end of upgrade, but still rebooted in 18.04;
[21:09] <hggdh> and this one, with no issues at all
[21:09] <hggdh> now I am starting to think of upgrading the others
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Howdy!
[22:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: don't get me started!
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> haha... I see potential.. but you're right.. it's too much like the windows ecosystem... and devs do not understand the risk of packaging other libraries with their "snap"
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> I think right below "Do not roll your own encryption" will soon stand, "Do not bundle other people's apps with yours"
[22:21] <pragmaticenigma> on a different note... it's possible with the latest kernels... my issue with those laptops and power saving the screen causing strange behavior might have gone away in 18.04 TJ-
[22:22] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: that's good news!
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> time will tell of course... just spun up 18.04.1 on one of them today... further testing to commence
[22:23] <TJ-> I had a long time to wait trying to get the bluetooth-attached keyboard/touchpad dock to correctly use multi-touch instead of pretending to be just a mouse... I spent days trying to figure it out, gave up, then after one update it began to work as intended
[22:23] <pragmaticenigma> The frustration has been that it worked flawlessly for a number of years, then starting around Ubuntu 14, that screen issue started up
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> I tried a number of the suggestions you had. playing with setterm commands... thought I had it pinned down to which monitor power save state was causing it and which one was fine... and then it would randomly change things up on me
[22:24] <TJ-> yeah, I had something similar with a PCI sub-system breakage around 4.3 that still hasn't been fixed, devices that mapped under a PCI bridge previously no longer can, and therefore the devices don't work.
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> I know they dropped a whole lot of legacy architectures from the kernel, might have incidentally solved my issue
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> off to neighbors open house... catch up later... good to see ya here again TJ- ... been awhile
[22:27] <TJ-> one of the problems of the kernel development process and distros is, for many people, the breakage takes a while to make it into the distro, but which time the change that caused it, and the developer(s) responsible, become very hard to pin down
[22:53] <ducasse> hi TJ- - all well at the farm?
[22:54] <TJ-> ducasse: yeah... wish I could say the same for software!
[22:56] <ducasse> it never all behaves at the same time, does it?
[22:57] <TJ-> No! I've been trying to get vagrant to fire up an ubuntu/bionic64 VM with libvirt today... breakage at every step, still not solved
[22:57] <TJ-> no-one responding in the #vagrant channel in 12 hours so far
[22:58] <TJ-> I've quickly learned to despise Ruby too :p
[22:58] <ducasse> lol, add it to the list :)
[23:01] <TJ-> Annoying part is, even with debug level logging, nothing is revealed. Come back shell scripts, "set -x",all is forgiven