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Eickmeyer#startmeeting19:00
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Eickmeyer#chair krytarik eylul OvenWerks captain-tux19:00
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik19:00
EickmeyerHey everyone! ... if you're here...19:00
eylulhi19:00
captain-tuxHello19:00
EickmeyerThat's two...19:00
eylul*is testing out a png optimizer while talking.19:00
EickmeyerNice.19:00
EickmeyerStill not seeing OvenWerks. :(19:01
EickmeyerI might have to take over pushing -controls to Cosmic unless that's done.19:01
OvenWerksim here19:01
EickmeyerYAY!!!19:01
EickmeyerOkay, good. Saw krytarik on his way in earlier...19:02
OvenWerksplease publish -controls.19:02
EickmeyerOkay. I'll see what I can do about getting Cyphermox on that, which covers our first item19:02
OvenWerkspush, upload, release or whtever.19:02
Eickmeyer#topic Progress Reports19:02
Eickmeyer#subtopic ubuntustudio-controls to Cosmic19:02
EickmeyerSounds like it's ready19:03
Eickmeyer#Done Ubuntu Studio Controls ready for Publication19:03
OvenWerksready? well it needs people to break it :)19:03
Eickmeyer#done Ubuntu Studio Controls ready for Publication19:03
EickmeyerAt least to Cosmic...19:03
EickmeyerThat way it gets spread to a lot of people. I did notice a bug when using it yesterday in that for some reason it started multiple PulseAudio processes, but I'm not sure if I can duplicate it.19:04
EickmeyerAnyhow...19:05
OvenWerksthat sounds like a PA bug... or hang.19:05
EickmeyerPossibly.19:05
OvenWerks-controls does not ever start PA19:05
EickmeyerWe'll have to talk to cyphermox or tsimonq2 about getting -controls uploaded to Universe. 19:05
OvenWerksThank you19:05
EickmeyerPerhaps even shoot Ross an email.19:05
EickmeyerOkay, moving along...19:06
Eickmeyer#subtopic ubuntustudio-plasma19:06
EickmeyerStill needing this to get seeded. Any progress on your MPs OvenWerks?19:06
OvenWerksMPs?19:06
OvenWerksoh merge something.19:07
EickmeyerMerge Proposals to the release team.19:07
OvenWerksI have not started.19:07
EickmeyerOkay. No worries. As eylul and I were discussing last week, getting -controls to where it is is a big step to begin with.19:07
* OvenWerks has been sitting beside the river or ocean for the last few weeks19:08
* Eickmeyer is green with envy of OvenWerks since he's been working like an ox.19:08
EickmeyerMoo...19:08
EickmeyerAnyhow...19:08
EickmeyerSo, are you back then, OvenWerks?19:09
OvenWerksfor a bit... but busy for the next few weeks my Yf has off.19:09
EickmeyerUnderstandable.19:09
EickmeyerMoving on...19:10
Eickmeyer#subtopic Plymouth Theme19:10
Eickmeyereylul: Were you working on this or the handbook first?19:10
eylulhandbook first. but today I have been working on this issue of optimizing the wallpaper19:11
eylulI'll do what I can, but it looks like not much of a file size reduction is happening. 19:11
Eickmeyer#subtopic Wallpaper Optimization19:11
EickmeyerSo, how big are we looking at?19:11
EickmeyerBasically, my question is if it will dramatically affect the iso size.19:12
eylul7mb for the main 5mb for the extra screen19:12
eylulfiles are a bit larger as png than they are as jpg19:13
EickmeyerThat's not horrible by any means. I don't think that's going to break the bank.19:13
eylulyeah19:13
eylul:)19:13
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Thoughts on this?19:13
OvenWerksnot really.19:13
captain-tuxIs that uncompressed?19:13
eylulthese are with trying to compress them :D19:14
eylulQHD is quite a bit of pixels ;)19:14
OvenWerkseither png or jpg are compressed by their nature19:14
Eickmeyercaptain-tux: eylul can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's png with zip or lzw compression?19:14
eylulI don't think that's what png does?19:14
EickmeyerI'm thinking tif. d'oh!19:15
eylulyep :)))19:15
Eickmeyerpng has its own compression alg.19:15
captain-tuxOh yeah, sorry. I meant lossless, I suppose.. then that's not bad.19:15
EickmeyerYeah. I have no problem with the results you're getting, eylul.19:15
eylulyeah.. what I will do is try to go via jpg route to see if that goes better (tiff -> jpg -> optimized jpg -> png19:15
eylulif not so be it19:15
eylul:)19:15
eylulalright19:15
eylulanyway it doesn't matter. tldr. they will be in the devel list tonight once for all. handbook still in progress19:16
EickmeyerOkay, then, to minimize your workload, I suggest going with what you've got. No need to stress too much on this.19:16
eylul*nods*19:16
eylul:)19:17
Eickmeyer#subtopic Audio Handbook epub & PDF19:17
Eickmeyereylul: How far out for this?19:17
eylulcontinuing to work on, it not much done. but will finish it this week19:17
eylulI'd say weekend, but I know myself. to give margin19:18
EickmeyerCool. Shoot an email to the ML when you're done. I know a few news outlets that would love to get their hands on it. :)19:18
Eickmeyer#info Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week19:19
Eickmeyer#undo19:19
meetingologyRemoving item from minutes: INFO19:19
eylulyeah, had job related situation that was taking too much time is why nothing got done. this week both are priority.19:19
Eickmeyer#action Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week19:19
meetingologyACTION: Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week19:19
Eickmeyereylul: Totally get that. I'm lucky I got anything done mysel!19:19
eylul:)19:19
Eickmeyer#subtopic Website Theme19:19
EickmeyerSo, I've reached the impasse that you all did two years ago. Thinking of starting over using the structure Canonical has provided. Thoughts?19:20
EickmeyerMeaning, their non-standard way of doing Wordpress.19:20
eylulI have no objections19:21
EickmeyerI have no idea what tsimonq2 is doing with lubuntu.me, but maybe he could throw us some ideas. BTW, lubuntu.me is the official site now, lubuntu.net is not to be used.19:21
eylulyikes ok19:21
EickmeyerLubuntu.net is owned by one of the former project leaders who is no longer part of the development. Still runs the site, but it's unofficial at best.19:22
EickmeyerSo, I'd like to take a vote on this.19:22
Eickmeyer#vote Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure19:23
meetingologyPlease vote on: Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure19:23
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:23
Eickmeyer+119:23
meetingology+1 received from Eickmeyer19:23
eylul+119:23
meetingology+1 received from eylul19:23
captain-tux+019:23
meetingology+0 received from captain-tux19:23
Eickmeyer¯\_(ツ)_/¯ from captain-tux XD19:23
eylul:)19:24
captain-tuxI don't know enough about it ... :P19:24
EickmeyerOh, well, that's a long story.19:24
EickmeyerOvenWerks: ?19:24
Eickmeyerre: vote19:24
captain-tuxGot a link maybe?19:24
Eickmeyereylul has something for what we _wanted_ to do, but doesn't look like it's happening.19:25
Eickmeyer#endvote19:25
meetingologyVoting ended on: Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure19:25
meetingologyVotes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:119:25
meetingologyMotion carried19:25
eylulactually what we want to do MIGHT be possible. 19:25
captain-tuxOh no, I understand that, but I meant that Canonical thing. ;)19:25
* Eickmeyer 's head a splode19:26
eylulhaha19:26
EickmeyerCanonical hosts our website. The way they implement Wordpress for our site is non-standard.19:26
EickmeyerSo, when it comes to theming, it's a mega bugaboo.19:26
captain-tuxThey have a custom template for every derivate?19:27
EickmeyerNot exactly. From what I understand, it's a directory structure issue.19:27
captain-tuxOr, one for all?19:27
eylulyeah it is a directory structure thing19:27
captain-tuxOh, okay.19:27
eylulhonest we should be able to adjust what we have19:27
Eickmeyereylul: Okay, then, , ... gosh, I'd hate to push more work on you. :(19:28
eylulthe primary bottleneck in many of these things is my inability to figure out how launchpad's git system works19:28
eylulif we can sort that out... I'll probably be a lot more helpful in most of these stuff19:29
EickmeyerOh, okay. So, I understand how it works, and it's pretty easy tbh.19:29
eylulwallpapers -> book -> git -> plymouth -> website (?)19:30
EickmeyerSure!19:30
EickmeyerYou have your ssh key on LP, right?19:30
eylulyeah19:31
EickmeyerOkay, I'll shoot you some instructions on how to set-up git to work with LP and an address to push to.19:31
eylulthat would help a lot thanks19:31
EickmeyerNo prob.19:31
EickmeyerCan't say it'll happen today, though.19:31
Eickmeyer#undo19:31
meetingologyRemoving item from minutes: INFO19:31
Eickmeyer#action Eickmeyer to send eylul git instructions for furthering the website19:32
meetingologyACTION: Eickmeyer to send eylul git instructions for furthering the website19:32
EickmeyerOkay, on to the next...19:32
Eickmeyer#subtopic Packaging for Carla & Cadence19:32
EickmeyerSo, I've stalled on Carla since I need to figure out a way to get the wine bridges working before I submit it.19:33
EickmeyerThat said, I've submitted Cadence to cyphermox for review. If/when it's good, we can replace Patchage with Catia.19:33
EickmeyerSo, that's what I've got done. Debian packaging is more intricate than I thought it would be! lol19:34
eylul\o/19:34
Eickmeyer#done Submitted Cadence for review19:35
EickmeyerOkay.... next...19:35
Eickmeyer#subtopic Wallpaper Contest19:35
Eickmeyereylul: Did you ever learn what was done the last time around?19:35
eylullearning?19:36
eylulcfhowlett was the person who ran the contest19:37
EickmeyerOkay... haven't seen much of that person.19:37
eylulthey used to be active. but I haven't seen them in last year or so. Ovenwerks?19:37
OvenWerksno idea19:37
OvenWerkseveryone is a nick on a screen  ...19:38
EickmeyerMight just have to make up something new. Like, maybe an imgur album or something?19:38
EickmeyerPeople submit their stuff, gets linked from the wiki, and then we vote on what we like?19:38
EickmeyerI'd honestly like to get rolling on this soon since other flavors have already started their respective contests.19:40
eylulI seem to remember something very vague like flickr was used.19:40
eylulbut yes. 19:40
EickmeyerOkay, I'll brainstorm ideas for this.19:40
Eickmeyer#action Eickmeyer to work on wallpaper contest19:41
meetingologyACTION: Eickmeyer to work on wallpaper contest19:41
EickmeyerI'll shoot an email to the ML when I get it live.19:41
eylul*nods*19:41
EickmeyerOkay.... on to the new stuff.19:41
Eickmeyer#topic New Items19:41
Eickmeyer#subtopic Password Sharing19:41
EickmeyerSo, eylul raised a point last week off-the-record about needing some sort of shared password management.19:42
EickmeyerSo things like administration of the G+ site among other things don't get lost with changes in leadership.19:42
eylulnot all social media, or other solutions have a teamwork setup19:43
EickmeyerRight.19:43
eylulwe already have things like the stage account web server information and mastodon account that has a single password that needs to be passed around.. which we can do securely.. but its... awkward19:43
eylul:)19:43
* OvenWerks has to go19:43
EickmeyerSo, I've been brainstorming this, but I know a guy who would know, and I meant to ask him this past week but it got away from me.19:43
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Thanks! See ya! o/19:43
OvenWerksI would be ok with whatever you decide probably19:43
eylulbye OvenWerks19:43
Eickmeyer#unchair OvenWerks19:43
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Eickmeyer captain-tux eylul krytarik19:43
EickmeyerWell, we need to keep investigating. Unfortunately, this is a touch point. Something peer-to-peer would be ideal, but if we have to centrallize oh well. 19:45
eylulone thing i was thinking is..19:45
eylulif it is not possible to do it peer to peer19:45
eyluland if we don't have any ubuntu team based tool (which I am not sure)19:46
eylulis there a self-hosted open sourced solution with a company behind it? 19:46
EickmeyerIf you're thinking encrypted file in a git repo... that's what just crossed my mind, but it'd need a master password.19:46
eylulyeah19:46
eylulone variation of this I thought was...19:46
eylulcould next-cloud be a partial solution?19:47
eylulnextcloud*19:47
EickmeyerPerhaps. And, probably.19:47
eyluland if yes if they do have some sort of support program where we can get a tiny self-hosting from them19:47
* Eickmeyer 's head just sploded again19:47
EickmeyerWell, there's always a digital ocean droplet...19:48
EickmeyerExcept that's $5/mo minimum19:48
captain-tuxAs long as it's encrypted, what's the difference, really?19:49
eylulI can just set up something in my shared hosting. but then it is dependent on one person still being around19:49
EickmeyerI really want to know what Noah Chelliah knows about this.19:49
Eickmeyereylul: Exactly.19:49
tsimonq2Eickmeyer: We've been trying for two years with no success to get Lubuntu.me under Canonical infra...19:49
tsimonq2Two years.19:49
eylulcaptain-tux I think we want to avoid person owned structures for long term solutions. Like I currently host the stage, but even that is not ideal19:49
Eickmeyertsimonq2: Yeah, that's not good.19:49
eylulo.O19:50
tsimonq2Altispeed hosts Lubuntu's stuff.19:50
tsimonq2(For now.)19:50
Eickmeyertsimonq2: That's because Noah is awesome.19:50
tsimonq2Eickmeyer: And it's also because I work for him. ;)19:51
Eickmeyertsimonq2: Yep! :)19:51
EickmeyerI suppose if we have to we could go that route with the site.19:51
EickmeyerJust, the Canonical backend and promise to host sites for flavors isn't living up to its promise, from what I'm seeing.19:52
tsimonq2Eickmeyer: Talk to Noah, but as long as the Altispeed name/logo goes somewhere, we might be able to host.19:52
Eickmeyertsimonq2: I might just give him a call. But, I wouldn't want to throw the switch on that without the rest of the team here's vote.19:52
tsimonq2ACK19:52
tsimonq2Eickmeyer: Telegram is better for him.19:53
Eickmeyertsimonq2: True, true. That's how I usually talk to him anymore.19:53
eylulwell at least we know it is not just a problem ubuntustudio faces19:53
EickmeyerYep.19:53
eylulcan we talk to canonical about this?19:53
eylullike seriously?19:53
tsimonq2Eickmeyer: But ultimately it's up to Noah, I want to make that very clear.19:54
eylulwhile in parallel looking for an alternative solution19:54
Eickmeyertsimonq2: That was implied, but yes, totally.19:54
Eickmeyereylul: Yeah.19:54
EickmeyerThat's two flavors that are dealing with Canonical in a negative fashion with website hosting.19:54
eylul*nods*19:55
EickmeyerSo, I've got a few things to... Ask Noah. XD19:55
Eickmeyer(that's the name of his radio show & podcast)19:55
eylulI'll try to reach out to wxl to see if they can help on their end19:56
Eickmeyereylul: Excellent idea. I see him in -flavors often, so if you want to do it there (that way it remains off-the-record) then that might help.19:56
eylulyeah19:57
eylulthat might also bring out if there is a known solution19:57
eylulfrom another flavor19:57
EickmeyerYeah.19:57
eylulI might actually do the same for the password related issue while at it19:57
eylulor at least help into how to communicate with canonical about this directly19:57
Eickmeyer#action Eickmeyer to contact Noah Chelliah regarding potential hosting for potential new website and password sharing solutions.19:58
meetingologyACTION: Eickmeyer to contact Noah Chelliah regarding potential hosting for potential new website and password sharing solutions.19:58
Eickmeyer#action eylul to contact wxl about how to communicate to Canonical about web hosting issues, and to check on password sharing solutions that may already exist.19:58
meetingologyACTION: eylul to contact wxl about how to communicate to Canonical about web hosting issues, and to check on password sharing solutions that may already exist.19:58
EickmeyerSo, we'll just roll with that for now.19:59
eylul*nods*19:59
EickmeyerHere comes 2000 UTC... do we have any other items for the meeting?19:59
EickmeyerGoing once...20:00
eylulnot from me20:00
eylul;)20:00
EickmeyerAny motion to end meeting?20:00
* Eickmeyer motions20:00
eylulmotions (I think)20:01
Eickmeyerlol20:01
Eickmeyer#endmeeting20:01
meetingologyMeeting ended Sat Jul 28 20:01:24 2018 UTC.  20:01
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-07-28-19.00.moin.txt20:01
EickmeyerNot bad!20:01
* captain-tux applauds20:01
eylulI wanted to type: "just end the meeting!!!"20:01
eylul;)20:01
EickmeyerLOL!!!!20:01
EickmeyerThat's my way of stalling to give people a chance. ;)20:02
eylul...and the final file sizes are 6.6MiB for main wallpaper and 4.8MiB for extra one20:02
eylulI give up20:02
Eickmeyereylul: Again, that doesn't break the bank. :)20:02
eylulI turn the thing to jpg it goes down to 2mb, I turn it back to png, it bloats right back. XD20:03
EickmeyerYeah. lossless compression isn't efficient, but it's lossless.20:03
eylulyeah no I am just uploading them and emailing.20:03
EickmeyerCool.20:03
EickmeyerI'll get those meeting notes out soon.20:03
eylul*nods*20:04
eylulwill you be around ubuntu-flavors?20:04
EickmeyerI'm always lurking there, so if you ping me, I'll likely see it.20:04
eylul*nods* ok20:05
captain-tuxeylul, I'll try to have a look at Mastodon next week, maybe I can support you on that. I had a quick read through the handbook this week as well.20:05
eylulI am going to ask people to not do any changes to it, until tomorrow20:06
eylulthe handbook20:06
EickmeyerThat's cool with me. I haven't even started writing my live audio section yet.20:06
eylul:) 20:06
EickmeyerBTW...20:06
* Eickmeyer joined Mastodon20:06
eylulcaptain-tux: would love the help20:06
eylulbut yeah get your account, can send you a mastodon.art invite to create account on that node if you want?20:07
eylulor you can choose another node (quite a many of them) :) 20:07
eylulbut yeah Eickmeyer: I noticed20:07
eylulI was going to ask you if that was you20:07
captain-tuxI don't even know what that means.. :|20:08
eylulemail me with your email address20:08
eylulI'll send you an invite. really it is the easiest way to get into it ;)20:08
eylulyou can always move later :)20:08
captain-tuxOkay, sure.20:09
eyluland btw captain-tux: join ubuntu-flavors? (ovenwerks too !) if you guys want? :)20:09
captain-tuxThat's on IRC?20:10
eylulyeah20:10
eylulits on freenode :)20:10
captain-tuxSounds like a good idea.20:10
eylul:)20:11
OvenWerksumm, use a launchpad file that belongs to ubuntustudio-core that is private?21:11
OvenWerksI'm not sure if that is really private to -core though21:12
eylulOverWerks: if it is private, it would be a very good solution...21:24
OvenWerksI will drop a nonsense file in there and you can see if you can see it...  :)21:26
OvenWerkswow, it made me relogin...21:38
OvenWerkseylul: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-core/+junk/ubuntustudio-core21:39
eylulOvenwerks: I cannot see if I am not logged in.21:40
eylulthis looks like a solution21:40
OvenWerksThe only thin g I am not sure of is: "Only shared with users permitted to see private user information."21:41
OvenWerkswhat does that mean?21:41
eylul ^ Eickmeyer21:41
eylulthat reads to me like we can give access to people who are not owner21:42
eylulbut they need to be explicitly stated, but yes I am really not sure21:42
eylulcan we set this up over git?21:42
OvenWerkswith subscribe below maybe.21:42
OvenWerksI can try to upload it as git.21:43
eylulsubscribe doesn't work21:43
eylulso no, I think somehow they need to be added as owner *really has no idea*21:43
OvenWerksit looks like subscribe means: send email on changes21:45
OvenWerkseylul: will get two emials :)21:45
OvenWerks*emails21:46
eylulheh21:46
eylulone thing I am interested21:46
eylulif you make changes to the file in there21:46
eyluldoes the notification email includes information on what the changes are21:46
eylulat all21:46
OvenWerksI can make changes and push I think.21:47
eylulformatting of this epub/pdf is really REALLY not fun.21:47
eylulthere is no way to get this to be one source file21:48
eylulsolution that works for pdf, doesn't work for epub (or for wiki)21:48
eylulwiki doesn't work for anything21:48
eylulepub works imperfectly for pdf21:48
eylul>.<21:48
OvenWerksdid you get two emails?21:48
OvenWerks(or any?)21:48
* OvenWerks did not21:49
eylulno21:50
OvenWerksI think you would get them if a merge was requested21:50
eylulpossibly?21:50
eylulyeah I am really not sure21:50
eyluland I am probably a not the right person to check this21:50
OvenWerksbut as only members can pull the file... there should be no merges only commits and pusshes21:51
eylulalright21:54

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