[19:00] #startmeeting [19:00] Meeting started Sat Jul 28 19:00:02 2018 UTC. The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [19:00] #chair krytarik eylul OvenWerks captain-tux [19:00] Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik [19:00] Hey everyone! ... if you're here... [19:00] hi [19:00] Hello [19:00] That's two... [19:00] *is testing out a png optimizer while talking. [19:00] Nice. [19:01] Still not seeing OvenWerks. :( [19:01] I might have to take over pushing -controls to Cosmic unless that's done. [19:01] im here [19:01] YAY!!! [19:02] Okay, good. Saw krytarik on his way in earlier... [19:02] please publish -controls. [19:02] Okay. I'll see what I can do about getting Cyphermox on that, which covers our first item [19:02] push, upload, release or whtever. [19:02] #topic Progress Reports [19:02] #subtopic ubuntustudio-controls to Cosmic [19:03] Sounds like it's ready [19:03] #Done Ubuntu Studio Controls ready for Publication [19:03] ready? well it needs people to break it :) [19:03] #done Ubuntu Studio Controls ready for Publication [19:03] At least to Cosmic... [19:04] That way it gets spread to a lot of people. I did notice a bug when using it yesterday in that for some reason it started multiple PulseAudio processes, but I'm not sure if I can duplicate it. [19:05] Anyhow... [19:05] that sounds like a PA bug... or hang. [19:05] Possibly. [19:05] -controls does not ever start PA [19:05] We'll have to talk to cyphermox or tsimonq2 about getting -controls uploaded to Universe. [19:05] Thank you [19:05] Perhaps even shoot Ross an email. [19:06] Okay, moving along... [19:06] #subtopic ubuntustudio-plasma [19:06] Still needing this to get seeded. Any progress on your MPs OvenWerks? [19:06] MPs? [19:07] oh merge something. [19:07] Merge Proposals to the release team. [19:07] I have not started. [19:07] Okay. No worries. As eylul and I were discussing last week, getting -controls to where it is is a big step to begin with. [19:08] * OvenWerks has been sitting beside the river or ocean for the last few weeks [19:08] * Eickmeyer is green with envy of OvenWerks since he's been working like an ox. [19:08] Moo... [19:08] Anyhow... [19:09] So, are you back then, OvenWerks? [19:09] for a bit... but busy for the next few weeks my Yf has off. [19:09] Understandable. [19:10] Moving on... [19:10] #subtopic Plymouth Theme [19:10] eylul: Were you working on this or the handbook first? [19:11] handbook first. but today I have been working on this issue of optimizing the wallpaper [19:11] I'll do what I can, but it looks like not much of a file size reduction is happening. [19:11] #subtopic Wallpaper Optimization [19:11] So, how big are we looking at? [19:12] Basically, my question is if it will dramatically affect the iso size. [19:12] 7mb for the main 5mb for the extra screen [19:13] files are a bit larger as png than they are as jpg [19:13] That's not horrible by any means. I don't think that's going to break the bank. [19:13] yeah [19:13] :) [19:13] OvenWerks: Thoughts on this? [19:13] not really. [19:13] Is that uncompressed? [19:14] these are with trying to compress them :D [19:14] QHD is quite a bit of pixels ;) [19:14] either png or jpg are compressed by their nature [19:14] captain-tux: eylul can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's png with zip or lzw compression? [19:14] I don't think that's what png does? [19:15] I'm thinking tif. d'oh! [19:15] yep :))) [19:15] png has its own compression alg. [19:15] Oh yeah, sorry. I meant lossless, I suppose.. then that's not bad. [19:15] Yeah. I have no problem with the results you're getting, eylul. [19:15] yeah.. what I will do is try to go via jpg route to see if that goes better (tiff -> jpg -> optimized jpg -> png [19:15] if not so be it [19:15] :) [19:15] alright [19:16] anyway it doesn't matter. tldr. they will be in the devel list tonight once for all. handbook still in progress [19:16] Okay, then, to minimize your workload, I suggest going with what you've got. No need to stress too much on this. [19:16] *nods* [19:17] :) [19:17] #subtopic Audio Handbook epub & PDF [19:17] eylul: How far out for this? [19:17] continuing to work on, it not much done. but will finish it this week [19:18] I'd say weekend, but I know myself. to give margin [19:18] Cool. Shoot an email to the ML when you're done. I know a few news outlets that would love to get their hands on it. :) [19:19] #info Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week [19:19] #undo [19:19] Removing item from minutes: INFO [19:19] yeah, had job related situation that was taking too much time is why nothing got done. this week both are priority. [19:19] #action Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week [19:19] ACTION: Handbook to be epub & PDF within the week [19:19] eylul: Totally get that. I'm lucky I got anything done mysel! [19:19] :) [19:19] #subtopic Website Theme [19:20] So, I've reached the impasse that you all did two years ago. Thinking of starting over using the structure Canonical has provided. Thoughts? [19:20] Meaning, their non-standard way of doing Wordpress. [19:21] I have no objections [19:21] I have no idea what tsimonq2 is doing with lubuntu.me, but maybe he could throw us some ideas. BTW, lubuntu.me is the official site now, lubuntu.net is not to be used. [19:21] yikes ok [19:22] Lubuntu.net is owned by one of the former project leaders who is no longer part of the development. Still runs the site, but it's unofficial at best. [19:22] So, I'd like to take a vote on this. [19:23] #vote Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure [19:23] Please vote on: Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure [19:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from Eickmeyer [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from eylul [19:23] +0 [19:23] +0 received from captain-tux [19:23] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ from captain-tux XD [19:24] :) [19:24] I don't know enough about it ... :P [19:24] Oh, well, that's a long story. [19:24] OvenWerks: ? [19:24] re: vote [19:24] Got a link maybe? [19:25] eylul has something for what we _wanted_ to do, but doesn't look like it's happening. [19:25] #endvote [19:25] Voting ended on: Start over with theme for website using Canonical's wordpress structure [19:25] Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [19:25] Motion carried [19:25] actually what we want to do MIGHT be possible. [19:25] Oh no, I understand that, but I meant that Canonical thing. ;) [19:26] * Eickmeyer 's head a splode [19:26] haha [19:26] Canonical hosts our website. The way they implement Wordpress for our site is non-standard. [19:26] So, when it comes to theming, it's a mega bugaboo. [19:27] They have a custom template for every derivate? [19:27] Not exactly. From what I understand, it's a directory structure issue. [19:27] Or, one for all? [19:27] yeah it is a directory structure thing [19:27] Oh, okay. [19:27] honest we should be able to adjust what we have [19:28] eylul: Okay, then, , ... gosh, I'd hate to push more work on you. :( [19:28] the primary bottleneck in many of these things is my inability to figure out how launchpad's git system works [19:29] if we can sort that out... I'll probably be a lot more helpful in most of these stuff [19:29] Oh, okay. So, I understand how it works, and it's pretty easy tbh. [19:30] wallpapers -> book -> git -> plymouth -> website (?) [19:30] Sure! [19:30] You have your ssh key on LP, right? [19:31] yeah [19:31] Okay, I'll shoot you some instructions on how to set-up git to work with LP and an address to push to. [19:31] that would help a lot thanks [19:31] No prob. [19:31] Can't say it'll happen today, though. [19:31] #undo [19:31] Removing item from minutes: INFO [19:32] #action Eickmeyer to send eylul git instructions for furthering the website [19:32] ACTION: Eickmeyer to send eylul git instructions for furthering the website [19:32] Okay, on to the next... [19:32] #subtopic Packaging for Carla & Cadence [19:33] So, I've stalled on Carla since I need to figure out a way to get the wine bridges working before I submit it. [19:33] That said, I've submitted Cadence to cyphermox for review. If/when it's good, we can replace Patchage with Catia. [19:34] So, that's what I've got done. Debian packaging is more intricate than I thought it would be! lol [19:34] \o/ [19:35] #done Submitted Cadence for review [19:35] Okay.... next... [19:35] #subtopic Wallpaper Contest [19:35] eylul: Did you ever learn what was done the last time around? [19:36] learning? [19:37] cfhowlett was the person who ran the contest [19:37] Okay... haven't seen much of that person. [19:37] they used to be active. but I haven't seen them in last year or so. Ovenwerks? [19:37] no idea [19:38] everyone is a nick on a screen ... [19:38] Might just have to make up something new. Like, maybe an imgur album or something? [19:38] People submit their stuff, gets linked from the wiki, and then we vote on what we like? [19:40] I'd honestly like to get rolling on this soon since other flavors have already started their respective contests. [19:40] I seem to remember something very vague like flickr was used. [19:40] but yes. [19:40] Okay, I'll brainstorm ideas for this. [19:41] #action Eickmeyer to work on wallpaper contest [19:41] ACTION: Eickmeyer to work on wallpaper contest [19:41] I'll shoot an email to the ML when I get it live. [19:41] *nods* [19:41] Okay.... on to the new stuff. [19:41] #topic New Items [19:41] #subtopic Password Sharing [19:42] So, eylul raised a point last week off-the-record about needing some sort of shared password management. [19:42] So things like administration of the G+ site among other things don't get lost with changes in leadership. [19:43] not all social media, or other solutions have a teamwork setup [19:43] Right. [19:43] we already have things like the stage account web server information and mastodon account that has a single password that needs to be passed around.. which we can do securely.. but its... awkward [19:43] :) [19:43] * OvenWerks has to go [19:43] So, I've been brainstorming this, but I know a guy who would know, and I meant to ask him this past week but it got away from me. [19:43] OvenWerks: Thanks! See ya! o/ [19:43] I would be ok with whatever you decide probably [19:43] bye OvenWerks [19:43] #unchair OvenWerks [19:43] Current chairs: Eickmeyer captain-tux eylul krytarik [19:45] Well, we need to keep investigating. Unfortunately, this is a touch point. Something peer-to-peer would be ideal, but if we have to centrallize oh well. [19:45] one thing i was thinking is.. [19:45] if it is not possible to do it peer to peer [19:46] and if we don't have any ubuntu team based tool (which I am not sure) [19:46] is there a self-hosted open sourced solution with a company behind it? [19:46] If you're thinking encrypted file in a git repo... that's what just crossed my mind, but it'd need a master password. [19:46] yeah [19:46] one variation of this I thought was... [19:47] could next-cloud be a partial solution? [19:47] nextcloud* [19:47] Perhaps. And, probably. [19:47] and if yes if they do have some sort of support program where we can get a tiny self-hosting from them [19:47] * Eickmeyer 's head just sploded again [19:48] Well, there's always a digital ocean droplet... [19:48] Except that's $5/mo minimum [19:49] As long as it's encrypted, what's the difference, really? [19:49] I can just set up something in my shared hosting. but then it is dependent on one person still being around [19:49] I really want to know what Noah Chelliah knows about this. [19:49] eylul: Exactly. [19:49] Eickmeyer: We've been trying for two years with no success to get Lubuntu.me under Canonical infra... [19:49] Two years. [19:49] captain-tux I think we want to avoid person owned structures for long term solutions. Like I currently host the stage, but even that is not ideal [19:49] tsimonq2: Yeah, that's not good. [19:50] o.O [19:50] Altispeed hosts Lubuntu's stuff. [19:50] (For now.) [19:50] tsimonq2: That's because Noah is awesome. [19:51] Eickmeyer: And it's also because I work for him. ;) [19:51] tsimonq2: Yep! :) [19:51] I suppose if we have to we could go that route with the site. [19:52] Just, the Canonical backend and promise to host sites for flavors isn't living up to its promise, from what I'm seeing. [19:52] Eickmeyer: Talk to Noah, but as long as the Altispeed name/logo goes somewhere, we might be able to host. [19:52] tsimonq2: I might just give him a call. But, I wouldn't want to throw the switch on that without the rest of the team here's vote. [19:52] ACK [19:53] Eickmeyer: Telegram is better for him. [19:53] tsimonq2: True, true. That's how I usually talk to him anymore. [19:53] well at least we know it is not just a problem ubuntustudio faces [19:53] Yep. [19:53] can we talk to canonical about this? [19:53] like seriously? [19:54] Eickmeyer: But ultimately it's up to Noah, I want to make that very clear. [19:54] while in parallel looking for an alternative solution [19:54] tsimonq2: That was implied, but yes, totally. [19:54] eylul: Yeah. [19:54] That's two flavors that are dealing with Canonical in a negative fashion with website hosting. [19:55] *nods* [19:55] So, I've got a few things to... Ask Noah. XD [19:55] (that's the name of his radio show & podcast) [19:56] I'll try to reach out to wxl to see if they can help on their end [19:56] eylul: Excellent idea. I see him in -flavors often, so if you want to do it there (that way it remains off-the-record) then that might help. [19:57] yeah [19:57] that might also bring out if there is a known solution [19:57] from another flavor [19:57] Yeah. [19:57] I might actually do the same for the password related issue while at it [19:57] or at least help into how to communicate with canonical about this directly [19:58] #action Eickmeyer to contact Noah Chelliah regarding potential hosting for potential new website and password sharing solutions. [19:58] ACTION: Eickmeyer to contact Noah Chelliah regarding potential hosting for potential new website and password sharing solutions. [19:58] #action eylul to contact wxl about how to communicate to Canonical about web hosting issues, and to check on password sharing solutions that may already exist. [19:58] ACTION: eylul to contact wxl about how to communicate to Canonical about web hosting issues, and to check on password sharing solutions that may already exist. [19:59] So, we'll just roll with that for now. [19:59] *nods* [19:59] Here comes 2000 UTC... do we have any other items for the meeting? [20:00] Going once... [20:00] not from me [20:00] ;) [20:00] Any motion to end meeting? [20:00] * Eickmeyer motions [20:01] motions (I think) [20:01] lol [20:01] #endmeeting [20:01] Meeting ended Sat Jul 28 20:01:24 2018 UTC. [20:01] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-07-28-19.00.moin.txt [20:01] Not bad! [20:01] * captain-tux applauds [20:01] I wanted to type: "just end the meeting!!!" [20:01] ;) [20:01] LOL!!!! [20:02] That's my way of stalling to give people a chance. ;) [20:02] ...and the final file sizes are 6.6MiB for main wallpaper and 4.8MiB for extra one [20:02] I give up [20:02] eylul: Again, that doesn't break the bank. :) [20:03] I turn the thing to jpg it goes down to 2mb, I turn it back to png, it bloats right back. XD [20:03] Yeah. lossless compression isn't efficient, but it's lossless. [20:03] yeah no I am just uploading them and emailing. [20:03] Cool. [20:03] I'll get those meeting notes out soon. [20:04] *nods* [20:04] will you be around ubuntu-flavors? [20:04] I'm always lurking there, so if you ping me, I'll likely see it. [20:05] *nods* ok [20:05] eylul, I'll try to have a look at Mastodon next week, maybe I can support you on that. I had a quick read through the handbook this week as well. [20:06] I am going to ask people to not do any changes to it, until tomorrow [20:06] the handbook [20:06] That's cool with me. I haven't even started writing my live audio section yet. [20:06] :) [20:06] BTW... [20:06] * Eickmeyer joined Mastodon [20:06] captain-tux: would love the help [20:07] but yeah get your account, can send you a mastodon.art invite to create account on that node if you want? [20:07] or you can choose another node (quite a many of them) :) [20:07] but yeah Eickmeyer: I noticed [20:07] I was going to ask you if that was you [20:08] I don't even know what that means.. :| [20:08] email me with your email address [20:08] I'll send you an invite. really it is the easiest way to get into it ;) [20:08] you can always move later :) [20:09] Okay, sure. [20:09] and btw captain-tux: join ubuntu-flavors? (ovenwerks too !) if you guys want? :) [20:10] That's on IRC? [20:10] yeah [20:10] its on freenode :) [20:10] Sounds like a good idea. [20:11] :) [21:11] umm, use a launchpad file that belongs to ubuntustudio-core that is private? [21:12] I'm not sure if that is really private to -core though [21:24] OverWerks: if it is private, it would be a very good solution... [21:26] I will drop a nonsense file in there and you can see if you can see it... :) [21:38] wow, it made me relogin... [21:39] eylul: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-core/+junk/ubuntustudio-core [21:40] Ovenwerks: I cannot see if I am not logged in. [21:40] this looks like a solution [21:41] The only thin g I am not sure of is: "Only shared with users permitted to see private user information." [21:41] what does that mean? [21:41] ^ Eickmeyer [21:42] that reads to me like we can give access to people who are not owner [21:42] but they need to be explicitly stated, but yes I am really not sure [21:42] can we set this up over git? [21:42] with subscribe below maybe. [21:43] I can try to upload it as git. [21:43] subscribe doesn't work [21:43] so no, I think somehow they need to be added as owner *really has no idea* [21:45] it looks like subscribe means: send email on changes [21:45] eylul: will get two emials :) [21:46] *emails [21:46] heh [21:46] one thing I am interested [21:46] if you make changes to the file in there [21:46] does the notification email includes information on what the changes are [21:46] at all [21:47] I can make changes and push I think. [21:47] formatting of this epub/pdf is really REALLY not fun. [21:48] there is no way to get this to be one source file [21:48] solution that works for pdf, doesn't work for epub (or for wiki) [21:48] wiki doesn't work for anything [21:48] epub works imperfectly for pdf [21:48] >.< [21:48] did you get two emails? [21:48] (or any?) [21:49] * OvenWerks did not [21:50] no [21:50] I think you would get them if a merge was requested [21:50] possibly? [21:50] yeah I am really not sure [21:50] and I am probably a not the right person to check this [21:51] but as only members can pull the file... there should be no merges only commits and pusshes [21:54] alright