[01:26] <ndw28> why is there a vault in kubuntu. Isn't an encrypted FS or ext4 good enough to keep things secure?
[01:27] <ndw28> I guess that vault *is* encrypted FS: CryFS and EncFS
[01:27] <ndw28> when all else fails - sneaker net it
[01:28] <Unit193> 'vault' is meant to be a frontend to those things, yes?  (Also will be/is adding gocryptfs support.)
[01:30] <ndw28> Has anyone read Crypto by Steven Levy?
[01:30] <ndw28> Unit193: ok
[01:40] <proctrap> ndw28: use veracrypt if you want cross platform encrypted vaults / disks
[01:47] <ndw28> proctrap: interesting.. virtualization and encryption
[09:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:23]  * jubo2 does the new release dance
[11:23] <jubo2> I assume this is the official guide to upgrading -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:29] <acheronuk> jubo2: community docs, but yes
[11:34] <jubo2> Bahh.. not enough space on /-partition
[11:34] <jubo2> and someone said 15GB is enough
[11:34] <jubo2> that is probably true if you make a partition for /usr
[11:35] <jubo2> my /-partition is 20GB and I've already cleaned out the old kernels and still missing 1.3GB to perform the distribution upgrade
[11:35] <jubo2> Should I resize partitions?
[11:36] <jubo2> I better do that with Gparted since KDE Partition Manager is a tad bit buggy
[11:37] <BluesKaj> jubo2, 20GB should  be plenty for /, unless you have a lot of apps installed after the defaults
[11:38] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Is it possible to move the contents of the /-partition to the other partition if the other partition is mounted as /home ?
[11:38] <jubo2> I regret making a distinct /-partition and I've already forgot why it is recommended by some
[11:38] <BluesKaj> no
[11:38] <jubo2> Ok so resize?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> jubo2, run df -h and pastebin it, so we can have a look
[11:39] <jubo2> okays
[11:40] <jubo2> BluesKaj: https://paste.debian.net/1035820/
[11:41] <BluesKaj> wow jubo2 , what have you got in / that uses so much space?
[11:42] <jubo2> I dunno exactly
[11:43] <jubo2> the 17.10 does not remove old kernels automatically but I cleaned out those already with Synaptic
[11:44] <BluesKaj> I have a full compliment of apps in / and it's only using 9.6 GB of 16
[11:45] <BluesKaj> jubo2, run sudo apt-get autoremove then, sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:45] <jubo2> okays
[11:46] <jubo2> BluesKaj: those removed nothing
[11:46] <jubo2> This OS was originally 17.04 which I upgraded to 17.10 .. maybe something is broken
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ok, then you must have a lot of apps installed that I don't
[11:48] <BluesKaj> suggest you add at least 5GB to your / partition
[11:48] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Gparted?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> yup
[11:48] <BluesKaj> live media
[11:48] <jubo2> I boot to the USB stick and then do it?
[11:48] <jubo2> s/to/from/
[11:49] <BluesKaj> usb, cd, dvd, whatever will boot
[11:49] <jubo2> I better get a list of all installed apps and put that in a safe place.. just in case this goes belly-up
[11:50] <acheronuk> ncdu -x /
[11:50] <acheronuk> should allow you to find out where the space is taken up
[11:51] <jubo2> If I list the installations with 'dpkg --get-selections' I can later on feed that list to apt-get to get all the programs back if the system breaks on the partition resizing or something. Right?
[11:52] <acheronuk> fwiw, my /usr is 12.8 GB
[11:53] <acheronuk>  /var is 10.1 GB
[11:53] <acheronuk> I need a clean out
[11:54] <jubo2> acheronuk: running 'ncdu -x /' now
[11:54] <acheronuk> you could also have something like a small hardware error spamming a log file constantly, making it huge
[11:55] <BluesKaj> jubo2, what are you afraid of, sudo do-release-upgrade should run just fine , as long as you update and upgrade your exsiting packages first
[11:55] <jubo2> everything is up-to-date now
[11:56] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I'm afraid the resizing partitions could go wrong
[11:57] <acheronuk> wow. apt-cacher-ng is using 6.7 GB in /var/cache/
[11:57] <BluesKaj> think you may want to check acheronuk 's suggestion about a hardware error
[11:57]  * acheronuk cleans that
[11:58] <acheronuk> can be many things. I wondered where space went a while back, and it was a 15 GB lxd zfs pool that it puts on the root partition by default
[11:59] <jubo2> BluesKaj: acheronuk: Here is the output of 'ncdu -x /' https://paste.debian.net/1035822/
[11:59] <acheronuk> jubo2: you can navigate to the subfolders with ncdu :)
[11:59] <jubo2> Something weird maybe.. the kernel stuff is showing 0.0B
[11:59] <jubo2> acheronuk: oh cool
[12:00] <jubo2> I better store this command in my command-cheat-sheet.txt
[12:01] <jubo2> maybe running the ncdu without root privileges stops it from looking at the kernel-y places
[12:02] <acheronuk> qdirstat is a graphical sort of equivalent :)
[12:03] <jubo2> Stored. Thank you acheronuk for the tip
[12:05] <jubo2> I go boot from the Kubuntu 18.04.1 stick and resize the partitions to give /-partition some space
[12:05] <jubo2> It's ok to use the 18.04.1 to resize partitions of a 17.10, right?
[12:07] <jubo2> I boot from stick now. Bye.
[12:12] <jubo-on-a-stick> ok.. gonna resize the partitions now
[12:12] <jubo-on-a-stick> I better not mess this up
[12:13] <BluesKaj> I still don't see what could be taking up so much space
[12:13] <jubo-on-a-stick> oh crap. /dev/sda1 is "extended" and /dev/sda5 which is mounted as /-partition is in there meanwhile /dev/sda2 is not
[12:14] <jubo-on-a-stick> BluesKaj: me neither.. the 'ncdu' found only 10GB of stuff
[12:14] <jubo-on-a-stick> but it was probably due to that I run it as a normal user
[12:15] <jubo-on-a-stick> .. so it could not see the kernel related places. Maybe..
[12:16] <BluesKaj> what makes you think that, I ran that command as root and found no difference at all
[12:16] <BluesKaj> not as root but with root permissions rather
[12:17] <jubo-on-a-stick> so /dev/sda5 (mounted as the /-partition) is under /dev/sda1 (which is marked as type "extended") .. is this going to work if I reduce the size of the /home-partition and then grow the /dev/sda1 and then grow the /dev/sda5 ?
[12:19] <jubo-on-a-stick> I try. Got full backups of everything essential.. I think..
[12:21]  * jubo-on-a-stick crosses fingers and hits "apply" in Gparted
[12:23] <jubo-on-a-stick> Okays.. this is gonna take a while. Estimate is 2 hrs for copying 300GB
[14:58] <jubo-on-a-stick> Ok... root partition is now bigger
[14:59] <jubo-on-a-stick> I think it gonna fail to boot.. there was a warning that if you do something to the partition where /boot is then that may lead to non-booting state but there are ways to fix it
[14:59] <jubo-on-a-stick> I'll just try booting first and if it doesn't work then I need to boot back to this USB stick
[15:04] <jubo2> nah.. startup just fine after resizing partitions
[15:04] <jubo2> now.. 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' and 'sudo do-distribution-upgrade' <- was this the right command btw?
[15:07] <BluesKaj>  sudo do-release-upgrade, jubo2
[15:07] <jubo2> thanks BluesKaj. now running it
[15:39] <TBotNik> All: Kubuntu 16.04 LTS has totally trashed itself Tried the Live DVD to restore but there is no restore/recovery on mine.  Where do I get a live dvd with recovery?
[15:47] <genii> There is no specific "Recovery" option on liveDVD/USB. You just boot up into the live system and use that to figure out and fix issues, installing whatever tools may be required into the live-running system
[16:15] <TBotNik> genii: Thanks!  Never had to do it that way before.  I have no cmd line or anything.  Only have Dolphin and learning how to call all apps, etc from there!
[16:28] <TBotNik> genii: My Kernal seems to be in tack, but the desktop is totally destroyed.  About a week ago, I did nothing, but the system assigned "Desktop" to the "Start" icon and erased all icons on my systems panel.  Then last week, again I did nothing, the system completely erased the entire panel.  If I can't fix this before 3pm today, I'll be on Debian and will never come back to any flavor of Ubuntu.  They took all the dev capabilitiy
[16:28] <TBotNik> off 16.04 and it's totally useless, except as a "Windows for Dummies" user!  We on Linux want nothing to look like, smell like, act like Windows.  Windows is 20 years behind and will never catch up!
[18:43] <jubo2> reboot for 17.10 -> 18.04.1 upgrade
[18:43] <jubo2> .. to finish it
[18:43] <jubo2> Yeay!
[18:47] <diogenes_> will he come back :) that's the question
[18:50] <jubo2> I like 18.04.1 .. looks cooler than ever before
[18:59] <acheronuk> :)
[19:48] <genii> Hm
[20:06] <TBotNik> Sorry guys! Had to go pull some cables.
[20:37] <o_a> Hello. I have an issue when switching screens of windows. Sometimes the windows get horizontally squashed. Does anyone else have the same problem?
[22:44] <marcony> hey guys, how is a going?
[22:44] <marcony> anybody alive? :D
[22:45] <genii> marcony: It's prety slow in here today, but if you have some support question, just ask it in the channel and someone may offer a solution
[22:46] <genii> If you have no support questions, then the channel #kubuntu-offtopic is more appropriate for casual talk
[22:46] <marcony> thanks
[22:46]  * genii gets everyone fresh coffee
[22:47] <Unit193> Ooooh, good plan!
[22:47] <Unit193> ...Wrong channel.
[22:48] <genii> heh
[23:00] <Klinda> hi marcony :)
[23:03] <marcony> oo Klinda how are you? :)
[23:11] <Klinda> fine marcony and you?
[23:17] <marcony> me perfect :D where are you from Klinda?