[01:31] <jamesh> robert_ancell: for the snapd-glib PR, it seems the snapd API doesn't quite do what I need, so there isn't a rush to merge it.
[01:31] <jamesh> robert_ancell: I started a discussion on the forum about expanding the API here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/should-v2-interfaces-select-connected-return-unconnected-plugs-slots/6455
[01:31] <jamesh> depending on how that goes, it might change what the C API should look like
[01:39] <Laney> 😎
[01:40] <jamesh> I mentioned a few things that could make it more useful to e.g. the gnome-software use case, although I might have missed some things.
[01:53] <robert_ancell> jamesh, ok, cool.
[01:54] <jamesh> robert_ancell: it also means that my mock-snapd additions don't quite behave like snapd
[01:54] <jamesh> so that's something to fix too
[01:58] <robert_ancell> Laney, hey! Just hanging and looking cool there :)
[02:00] <Laney> hey robert_ancell & jamesh (& duflu?)
[02:00] <Laney> I'm on the correct side of the planet :-)
[02:00] <jamesh> hi Laney.  Isn't it a bit late (or early?) for you?
[02:02] <Laney> Nope. I'm here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/134795769
[02:12] <robert_ancell> Laney, for work?
[02:12] <duflu> Morning Laney. Welcome to the time zone (implied Twilight Zone tune)
[02:13] <Laney> robert_ancell: Ya. It's Debconf this week.
[02:13] <robert_ancell> ah, right
[02:13] <robert_ancell> How is things in Debian land?
[02:13] <Laney> You should pop along - can't be that far? :>
[02:14] <robert_ancell> I always underestimate the north-south distance :)
[02:14] <Laney> Alright - the schedule is actually kind of sparse this week
[02:14] <Laney> Partially due to typhoon risk requiring slack
[02:15] <robert_ancell> Though I do like Taiwan
[02:15] <Laney> Also maybe there are just fewer people - feels a bit smaller than last year anyway
[02:15] <Laney> and I'm an idiot and my key expired yesterday
[02:15] <Laney> so can't upload into Debian until the 24th August /o\
[02:16] <robert_ancell> Laney, surely there are people you are physically close to that can speed that process up!?
[02:16] <jamesh> Never been to Taiwan.  Presumably it is easier to visit than China though
[02:16] <Laney> it's on a monthly cadence :(
[02:16] <Laney> and they did one earlier in the week
[02:16] <robert_ancell> Ah, Debian. You frustrate me so much :)
[02:17] <Laney> probably requires running 50 shell scripts and copying files around
[02:17] <Laney> maybe they yell keyids across a room or something
[02:17] <robert_ancell> Pidgeon IP
[02:17] <Laney> meanwhile I pushed to keyserver.u.c and could upload a minute later :P
[02:20] <duflu> Is it safe to assume GSources of equal priority are queued FIFO for fair scheduling?
[02:20]  * duflu just assumes so
[05:18] <didrocks> good morning
[05:32] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:41] <didrocks> hey duflu
[05:45] <Laney> hey didrocks!!!
[05:46] <didrocks> hey Laney! How's debconf?
[05:47] <Laney> sweaty
[05:48] <Laney> it's super humid
[05:48] <Laney> but nice, some nice talks so far
[05:48] <Laney> how are you?
[06:03] <didrocks> great! Trying to do as much as possible while the temperature is bearable :)
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:32] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:32]  * duflu looks up Taiwan, and then remembers most of the Wikipedia is probably edited by China
[06:33] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, bon week-end?
[06:33] <didrocks> duflu: maybe a little bit less true for Taiwan, but indeed…
[06:33] <duflu> didrocks, I mean China declares ownership of Taiwan, but Taiwan disagrees.
[06:34] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:34] <didrocks> yeah, those contentious part :)
[06:34] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, excellent week-end, et toi?
[06:34] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va, une journée de pluie qui a permi de rafraichir le tout :)
[06:34] <oSoMoN> veinards! il a fait très chaud ici hier
[06:35] <didrocks> oh, mais c'est remonté hier (en gros, perte de 10°C le samedi, et retour des +10 avec 34°C hier)
[06:35] <didrocks> on va vite remonter à 38 :/
[06:41] <jamesh> duflu: part of the reason for the animosity was that Taiwan used to be recognised as controlling mainland China by countries like the US
[06:42] <duflu> Really? Is that a typo?
[06:48] <jamesh> duflu: Up until 1971, the UN recognised the ROC (Taiwan) as the rightful government of all of China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations
[06:49] <duflu> Geopolitics. Usually too hard
[06:50] <jamesh> since then, the PRC took their place as the UN representative for China.  Taiwan as attempted to enter the UN as its own entity since then but gets voted down each time
[07:22] <andyrock> monring all
[07:23] <andyrock> Laney: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/commit/9b6baacf6283602d3790bce19b2fd37faf3d23f1 shouldn't it be 3.28.2-1 ?
[07:23] <Laney> hi
[07:23] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[07:24] <andyrock> hey didrocks Laney
[07:24] <Laney> yes, sorry, I just chopped off the end of the version you gave
[07:25] <andyrock> sorry about that, still learning 😑
[07:25] <Laney> no problems 🕺
[07:26] <Laney> can't upload there though since my key expired
[07:26]  * Laney le fail
[07:26] <juliank> Whoa, I just installed a firmware update for my T480s from gnome-software, it just popped up
[07:27] <juliank> it failed to tell me to reboot, but it did work just fine
[07:27] <oSoMoN> good morning andyrock, Laney
[07:28] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[07:29] <andyrock> morning oSoMoN
[07:47] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:47] <seb128> hey Laney, had a good trip? how is China?
[07:48] <seb128> hey juliank andyrock didrocks duflu jamesh oSoMoN
[07:48] <jamesh> morning seb128
[07:48] <duflu> Morning andyrock, seb128
[07:50] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[07:55] <Laney> hey seb128
[07:55] <Laney> trip was very long but fine thanks, mostly sitting in things that moved me around
[07:56] <Laney> taiwan(!!!!) is very humid
[07:56] <Laney> but the campus we're on is nice, lots of intersting plants
[07:56] <Laney> and curious food to be had
[07:57] <Laney> you have a good weekend?
[07:58] <seb128> nice
[07:58] <seb128> yeah, w.e was less hot and relaxing
[07:59] <seb128> we went to Amsterdam yesterday, spent part of the afternoon with people we know in a parc and then had diner which was nice
[08:03] <Laney> sounds nice
[08:03] <Laney> apparently UK got a lot of rain / wind this weekend
[08:04] <willcooke> morning all
[08:04] <duflu> seb128, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFiJcodf4Y
[08:05] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:05] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:06] <seb128> duflu, youtube doesn't like me (or the country I'm connecting from) enough to want to show me this one
[08:06] <duflu> Boo
[08:06] <seb128> indeed
[08:06] <duflu> Also ironic
[08:07] <seb128> yeah
[08:11] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <czajkowski> dont' suppose anyone in here has an Acer swift 5 and knows how the touch screen works under Ubuntu ?
[08:30] <seb128> czajkowski, hey, not that I know
[08:30] <seb128> the people around have rather thinkpad or dell configs
[08:36] <willcooke> Anyone know how to join a github org?  I got removed from the Canonical one for not having TFA, which I enabled last week but I still can't get back in again
[08:37] <hyperair> o/ is the version for the geoclue-2.0 typelib on xenial wrong? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MwtMP6PHnd/
[08:37] <hyperair> filename says 2.0, package version says 2.4.1, .pc in the corresponding -dev package says 2.4.1..
[08:46] <andyrock> willcooke: I guess you need to ask #is to add you back
[08:46] <andyrock> I had the same problem
[08:47] <Trevinho> morning
[08:48] <Trevinho> hey Laney, how is debconf?
[08:49] <Trevinho> and also... I've prepared g-s 3.29, see the MP, however... didrocks (hey!), maybe you want to merge your theme update first or yours can be on top of that?
[08:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: please, have a try yourself if you don't mind, it's a good practice and there is a debian/README* for it
[08:50] <Trevinho> ah I saw the comment now, sorry... Didn't recive an email
[08:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: and yes, I read the readme already... But I guess then we can first ship 3.29 then go with theme update if we're fast enough in that
[08:52] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:53] <Trevinho> hi seb128, yeah... Quite tiring :-P, yesterday I was in UK (Gibraltar), and I escaped soon from that absurd expensive land in £ where food is not good anymore :-D
[08:53] <Trevinho> yours?
[08:53] <seb128> haha
[08:54] <willcooke> will do, thanks andyrock
[08:54] <seb128> it was fine, less hot and relaxing, spent a part of sunday in Amsterdam
[08:54] <seb128> hyperair, hey, seems buggy indeed
[08:57] <seb128> hyperair, likely need https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/geoclue/geoclue/commit/7414f60e which was the commit just after 2.4.1 (which is the current xenial version)
[08:58] <seb128> hyperair, that can probably be easily SRUed if you need that fix in xenial
[09:17] <Laney> just lent my laptop to someone to project in a lightning talk here and the second monitor froze /o\
[09:17] <Laney> wayland
[09:17] <Laney> we restarted to X and it worked
[09:17] <Laney> :'(
[09:28] <seb128> :(
[09:29] <Laney> Xwayland crashed
[10:05] <Trevinho> uh, coredump?
[10:07] <Laney> yep, one second
[10:07] <Laney> I didn't get a great one and I'm not running 3.28.3 yet
[10:07] <Laney> soooooooooooooooooo could be fixed
[10:08] <Laney> Trevinho: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X5PY4vDF9n/ helpful?
[10:09] <Laney> that's the real gnome-shell crash, Xwayland is probably just a followon from that
[10:09] <Laney> like its pipe gets closed or whatever and it dies because of that
[10:11] <Laney> the () might be gnome-shell symbols, don't have the debs around any more to install the debug symbols :(
[10:11] <didrocks> Trevinho: well, are you going to break with the new theme?
[10:11] <Laney> ah, and "how is Debconf" - bloody humid, but nice fun
[10:12] <didrocks> Trevinho: I guess that's the main question, what happens with the missing properties?
[10:12] <didrocks> don't rush to break Yaru please is what I ask :)
[10:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: no, no.. I don't want to break anything
[10:13] <didrocks> well, if you ship 3.29 and the Shell requires the new classes?
[10:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: I was checking quickly, but I didn't see any upstream change to the theme dir since long time
[10:13] <didrocks> (that's what need checking)
[10:13] <didrocks> there are
[10:13] <didrocks> not a lot, but there are
[10:13] <didrocks> (new properties and class)
[10:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok, that's fine.. I can fix them too
[10:14] <didrocks> ensure though that people can't upgrade without the new theme
[10:14] <didrocks> and that the theme changes don't break bionic users via the snap
[10:14] <didrocks> (see our Friday discussion)
[10:17] <Trevinho> didrocks: this is what changed since 3.28.0 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KznHKHjfpd/
[10:17] <didrocks> Trevinho: yes, I did the diff last week (and pasted it ;))
[10:18] <didrocks> euh
[10:18] <didrocks> hum
[10:18] <didrocks> are you sure?
[10:18] <didrocks> I had more
[10:18] <Trevinho> a part svg yes
[10:18] <Trevinho> git diffstat 3.28.0..HEAD  data/theme
[10:18] <didrocks> since the last Yaru release, are you sure?
[10:18] <didrocks> ah
[10:18] <didrocks> check with Yaru
[10:18] <didrocks> there are more
[10:18] <didrocks> but maybe because the .1, .2 weren't incorporated
[10:18] <Trevinho> ok, ok.. just to say that if yaru worked already in 3.28 then it should work fine in 3.29
[10:19] <didrocks> yeah
[10:19] <didrocks> maybe time for rebase thus?
[10:19] <Trevinho> diffstat is the same for .3
[10:19] <didrocks> yeah, I think Yaru is still based on .0?
[10:19] <didrocks> you have the upstream dir to check
[10:19] <didrocks> (see README)
[10:26] <Laney> any comment on my coredump?
[10:36] <Trevinho> Laney: sorry, I had to go to enroll my fingerprint for the coworking :)
[10:37] <Laney> np, thought you got distracted by theme :P
[10:54] <Trevinho> at least your're not the only onehttps://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/1722332/
[10:57] <Trevinho> Laney: that crash is on 3.28.2?
[10:57] <Laney> yep
[10:59] <Trevinho> Laney: mh ok, do you have a bt full for that?
[10:59] <Laney> sure one second
[10:59] <Trevinho> or can check geometry_scale (I guess it's 0)
[11:01] <Laney> (gdb) print geometry_scale
[11:01] <Laney> $1 = 0
[11:01] <Laney> yeah
[11:01] <Laney> you want the bt full?
[11:01] <Trevinho> well no that's enough
[11:02] <Laney> ok ♥
[11:02] <Trevinho> so... if you instead can check *window->monitor
[11:03] <Laney> (gdb) print *window->monitor
[11:03] <Laney> $3 = {parent = {g_type_instance = {g_class = 0x0}, ref_count = 0, qdata = 0x55a14944f680}, number = 1224949296, rect = {x = 21921, y = 35896, width = 0, height = 0}, is_primary = 0, is_presentation = 0, in_fullscreen = 0,
[11:03] <Laney>   scale = 0, transform = META_MONITOR_TRANSFORM_NORMAL, winsys_id = 0, monitors = 0x0}
[11:04] <Laney> need to go for food
[11:05] <Trevinho> ref_count=0 ? :o
[11:05] <Trevinho> mh...
[11:06] <Laney> I'd made the monitors mirrored
[11:06] <Trevinho> ok, let me open an issue to save all these infos in the mean timeù
[11:07] <Laney> maybe that does something to the monitor objects
[11:07] <Laney> got to go for food now, back later
[11:07] <Trevinho> the crash happened while setting it mirrored then?
[11:07] <Trevinho> k, enjoy your noodles, dumplings, $other_chinese_stuff
[14:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, can you check  https://packages.qa.debian.org/libe/libepubgen/news/20180603T194937Z.html  /if we can merge/update? it looks like Debian too your changes but the symbols file, is that because he doesn't like those?
[14:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, looking
[14:57] <seb128> thx
[14:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, IIRC Rene doesn't like symbols file for C++ libs, so he took my multiarch and autopkgtest changes, but not the symbols (which I added upon doko's request)
[14:59] <oSoMoN> so we can safely merge I guess
[14:59] <seb128> k
[14:59] <oSoMoN> I'll put it on my list for this week
[14:59] <seb128> thx
[14:59] <seb128> let me know if you need sponsoring for it
[14:59] <seb128> I'm happy to dput :)
[15:01] <oSoMoN> seb128, that's ok, I'm allowed to upload libepubgen it seems
[15:01] <seb128> good
[16:18] <Trevinho> oh, wow Ara (Pulido) is in the same coworking where I am :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> Trevinho, awesome, tell her i said hi!
[16:22] <Trevinho> yeah, she just left.. That's why I saw her, but I'll tell her tomorrow :)
[16:40] <Trevinho> andyrock: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests/7 and https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests/8 (for Laney's love ;-))
[16:40] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 7 in mutter "Monitor changes crash fixes (for experimental)" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[16:40] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 8 in mutter "Monitor changes crash fixes" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[17:18] <Trevinho> anyone can pull https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+git/gnome-initial-setup/+ref/ubuntu/bionic and push it to ~ubuntu-destkop ?
[17:19] <Trevinho> (with tags)
[20:05] <willcooke> night all