[02:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you have debian upload perms for elementary-xfce?
[02:04] <Unit193> Nope.
[02:05] <bluesabre> Alrighty
[02:05] <Unit193> I take it the diffs I provided worked?
[02:06] <bluesabre> Indeed
[02:06] <bluesabre> Had to test with a PPA
[02:06] <bluesabre> apt does things a bit differently than dpkg
[02:06] <Unit193> apt install ./pkg1 ./pkg2 ./pkg3
[02:06] <bluesabre> ah
[02:06] <bluesabre> well, it's tested and confirmed now :D
[02:07] <bluesabre> so https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/log/?h=cosmic is ready, but elementary-xfce should be updated first so cosmic daily upgrades work
[02:08] <bluesabre> since we don't yet depend on it, it's not in the packageset
[02:08] <bluesabre> I can probably get an ubuntu sponsor pretty easily
[02:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Transition xubuntu-artwork for elementary-xfce-icon-theme package @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=8788b9a5f97a49ebbfdc56917d8764d5cbf412d0 (by Sean Davis)
[02:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control: Drop versioned elementary-xfce-icon-theme dep, update description for xubuntu-icon-theme @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=4c8ded1d88082e105dc0041cda165c50d1f2d3df (by Sean Davis)
[02:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: We won't have to carry the delta, just don't want to upload to Debian just for this.
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure
[02:14] <bluesabre> Want me to update salsa with the change?
[02:15] <bluesabre> Then I'll do the ubuntu-y things
[02:15] <Unit193> Sure.  You going to cheat and do what I do? :P
[02:16] <bluesabre> vi; git add -u; git commit -m; git push; ?
[02:17] <Unit193> '* Pull from Debian UNRLEASED vcs', but usually I do that with Xfce and when I do a lot more than a version bump. :P
[02:17] <bluesabre> Maybe
[02:17] <bluesabre> I feel like that moves the sponsorship along more quickly :)
[02:23] <bluesabre> Ah
[02:23] <bluesabre> I don't have push to that repo
[02:24] <Unit193> Got an account?
[02:24] <bluesabre> Yep
[02:25] <bluesabre> bluesabre-guest
[02:30] <bluesabre> woohoo, thanks Unit193 
[02:30] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[02:44] <bluesabre> Alrighty, there's that. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/+bug/1784523
[02:48] <bluesabre> thanks again for the help Unit193 
[02:48] <bluesabre> bed time (and before 11, woohoo!)
[02:50] <Unit193> Sure thing, thanks for doing it.
[05:15] <Unit193> flocculant: xfwm4 break on you? :3
[05:18] <flocculant> Unit193: nope it's fine - because no ppa's probably :D
[09:53] <Spass_Cosmic> hello from the newest 18.10 with xfwm4 4.13.1
[09:54] <Spass_Cosmic> I had a problem after first reboot, I saw no desktop and the widows were leaving "a trace" like cascading windows 95 error
[09:54] <Spass_Cosmic> but now it seems ok
[09:58] <Spass_Cosmic> anyway, I have a question for you, I'm trying to investigate the bug with blinking elements https://youtu.be/P8NVGl5DqGQ
[09:59] <Spass_Cosmic> I think that the mouse cursor itself could be an issue here, or to be more precise, the way it's handled in Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[10:00] <Spass_Cosmic> any ideas how to investigate that? maybe some xorg.conf entry for mouse?
[10:01] <Spass_Cosmic> s/widows/windows ;)
[10:16] <bluesabre> Spass_Cosmic: I think I'd also seen somebody mention that it affects mate as well, might be wrong
[10:16] <Spass_Cosmic> bluesabre, yes, MATE, Kubuntu, GNOME...
[10:17] <bluesabre> I tried using xev in the upper corners to see if there was some x silliness, but the positioning seems to be 0,0
[10:17] <Spass_Cosmic> yeah I try to figure that out for a year now :/
[10:18] <bluesabre> Seems to also affect plank
[10:18] <Spass_Cosmic> it's really annoying, sometimes when I want to open Whisker menu I have to click twice, because the first click wont register
[10:18] <bluesabre> So anything with a y coord or 0 is subject
[10:18] <Spass_Cosmic> yes, Plank is great to test that issue on other DE's
[10:19] <Spass_Cosmic> yes only on left and top edge, so x=0 or y=0 I suppose
[10:20] <Spass_Cosmic> I know that I'm not alone with this issue, more users confirmed that on their systems
[10:21] <Spass_Cosmic> brb
[10:23] <Spass_Cosmic> hmm, I can't change the cursor theme, I mean "normal" cursor is always a white arrow, all other are changed
[10:23] <Spass_Cosmic> maybe it's related?
[10:24] <Spass_Cosmic> I've changed my theme and size in xfce4-mouse-settings but normal white arrow is unchanged
[10:25] <Spass_Cosmic> ok, nevermind it suddenly changed itself now
[10:26] <Spass_Cosmic> I'm trying to raise awareness on ubuntu forums - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2397371
[10:27] <Spass_Cosmic> but I got response that "it seems like a semi contrived issue" :/
[10:29] <Spass_Cosmic> what's strange, iirc Fedora Xfce was unaffected by this blinking issue
[10:30] <Spass_Cosmic> yup "I don't see it on - Debian 9.4, Fedora 28, Linux Mint 18.3, Linux Lite 3.8"
[10:31] <Spass_Cosmic> yeah, I've spend much time trying to investigate that... no success...
[10:32] <Unit193> 9 is stable, that's a bit older...Compare with buster.
[10:33] <Spass> Unit193, will probably try, from what I remember I just grabbed LiveCD from Debian, testing doesn't have one afaik
[10:34] <Spass> and this issue is not visible in VMs so I will need to install Debian buster
[10:34] <Unit193> Or just go live. :>
[10:35] <Spass> Live testing ISO exist? well need to find it in that case
[10:36] <Unit193> There's something unofficial you can try at least. >_>
[10:36] <Spass> yeah, will do, I've tested like 7 or more distros regarding this issue
[10:39] <Unit193> Sent you a link.
[10:39] <Unit193> Not sure if it's worth a test or not, but unstable and Xfce.
[10:40] <Spass> Unit193, thanks, will test that today for sure
[11:02] <Unit193> Debian #831421, hah we did kind of fix this.
[11:19] <Spass> Unit193, blinking issue occurs on xebian live also, tested just now
[11:21] <Unit193> So very across the board then.
[11:22] <Spass> pretty much, Manjaro was affected also
[11:22] <Spass> but not 100% distros, some were unaffected, for "RMS knows why" reason
[17:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: can we get shimmer for cosmic?
[17:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: sure thing... will try to get that (and other PPAs) rolling tonight
[17:10] <flocculant> :)
[17:10] <bluesabre> Also, waiting on an elementary-xfce sponsorship first
[17:10] <bluesabre> otherwise, breakage ;)
[17:10] <flocculant> Unit193: xfwm4 4.13 appears to not blow up in my face
[17:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: heh - let's not have deliberate breakage :D
[19:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: so re 16.04.5 - I should have time tomorrow to get us to 100% and do some spotchecks on things others have tested
[19:22] <flocculant> unless of course we've already got to 100% in which case I can spotcheck more things 
[19:23] <flocculant> but tbh - last point release for us - not overly bothered unless we get implosion
[21:37] <bluesabre> :)
[21:37] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant 
[21:49] <bluesabre> lots of package updates this month, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/cosmic_changes?do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1530574826&rev2%5B1%5D=1533073698&difftype=sidebyside
[21:54] <bluesabre> bionic .0 to .1 changes, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes
[21:59] <bluesabre> xenial .4 to .5 changes, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/xenial_changes
[22:20] <Unit193> \o/