| daffy1234 | knome, that stinks. Is there any way to go about converting to btrfs without a full reinstall? | 04:00 |
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| Babloyi | arrrrghhhhh....why don't python people just decide which python they want to use, and stick with it...instead, I have to constantly deal with errors because some imported thing was imported in 2 or 3 and what I'm doing doesn't run | 06:43 |
| Babloyi | I keep running into conflicts in the terminal because I don't know for which version of python whatever I just installed works | 06:43 |
| Babloyi | and then it ends up being a tangled mess | 06:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | i'm not quite sure what you mean? | 06:50 |
| pmjdebruijn | v2 and v3 are seperated | 06:50 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: ? | 06:53 |
| Babloyi | maybe | 06:55 |
| Babloyi | but like stuff with pip | 06:56 |
| Babloyi | which pip will run when I pip? | 06:56 |
| Babloyi | it should've been 3, but I suspect it was 2 | 06:56 |
| Babloyi | and every time I pip, I get a message that my pip is old | 06:56 |
| pmjdebruijn | did you need pip at all? aren't the libraries you need already packaged in the ubuntu repositories? | 06:56 |
| Babloyi | and now pip won't run at all | 06:56 |
| Babloyi | apparently panda is not | 06:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | python-pandas python3-pandas ? | 06:57 |
| Babloyi | I have to pip them like that? | 06:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | no | 06:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | those are the ubuntu packages | 06:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | where you can avoid pip | 06:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | completely | 06:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | also | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | there's python-pip (pip/pip2) | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | and python3-iip (pip3) | 07:00 |
| pmjdebruijn | which I guess both do the obvious thing | 07:00 |
| Babloyi | I installed both | 07:01 |
| Babloyi | and now pip doesn't work :D | 07:01 |
| Babloyi | neither does pip nor pip3 | 07:01 |
| Babloyi | lets see if installing pandas directly works :D | 07:01 |
| Babloyi | now it tells me xlrd doesn't exist :/ | 07:04 |
| Babloyi | I'm going to have to do this one by one for everything :( | 07:04 |
| Raj_ | hi | 07:52 |
| Raj_ | how to install the printer | 07:52 |
| === ca-on-adam1 is now known as ca-on-adam | ||
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: how does it not work? what error do you get? put it on pastebin? | 08:36 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: also if pip worked before, what did you do before it stopped working? | 08:36 |
| Babloyi | it was giving me an error that main does not exist, pmj | 08:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | what exactly | 08:37 |
| Babloyi | but I installed pandas directly | 08:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | thing is | 08:37 |
| Babloyi | so it isn't a problem anymore | 08:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | usually it's bad idea, to just find the way is least resistenace | 08:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | not sure what "manual" install entails | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | whatever works :D | 08:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | that's a bad attitude :) | 08:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | :D | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | ImportError: cannot import name 'main' | 08:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | kidding | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | is what it said when I tried running pip | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | or pip3 | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | but it doesn't matter anymore, I guess | 08:38 |
| Babloyi | pip can go pip itself | 08:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | i'm sortof not sure pip is the real issue | 08:39 |
| * pmjdebruijn isn't a python expert either | 08:39 | |
| pmjdebruijn | but i've never seen pip break yet | 08:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: you could run 'debsums -s' to see if some package was broken | 08:40 |
| Babloyi | thanks, 256kb extra used up now! | 08:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | ??? | 08:42 |
| Babloyi | debsums wasn't installed, I had to install it :P | 08:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's very useful | 08:42 |
| Babloyi | ok :D | 08:42 |
| Babloyi | nice | 08:43 |
| Babloyi | lots of problems popping up | 08:43 |
| Babloyi | and debsums seems to be lost | 08:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: "lost" | 08:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | "lots of problems" | 08:43 |
| Babloyi | I wonder how long this is going to take :D | 08:43 |
| Babloyi | I mean it is hung | 08:43 |
| Babloyi | doing stuff | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | if debsums shows you a lot of errors, you've got a deffective install | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | what does debsums do exactly :D | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | probably do | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | -s = silent = only errors | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | ah | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | it checks checksum of all packages | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | it repairs missing packages or something? | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | ah | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | no only checks | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | also | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | the error you describe seems relevant to pip version 10 | 08:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | ubuntu doesn't ship version 10 | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | really? Because it is telling me "debsums: changed file ...." | 08:44 |
| Babloyi | 8.something, pmj | 08:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: pastebin | 08:45 |
| Babloyi | I got it to upgrade to 18 | 08:45 |
| Babloyi | but that causes problems too | 08:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | huh? | 08:45 |
| Babloyi | debsums is still changing things | 08:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | debsums doesn't change anything | 08:45 |
| Babloyi | literally saying "debsums: changed file ..." | 08:46 |
| Babloyi | as output | 08:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | yes | 08:46 |
| Babloyi | for loads of things | 08:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | something changed it | 08:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | as oppossed to what it should be | 08:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | changed = past tense | 08:47 |
| Babloyi | so this list of things that are changed, should I repair them one by one? | 08:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | if that list is long, a system reinstall might be better | 08:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | again, pastebin that list | 08:47 |
| Babloyi | "warning parsing file ... missing maintainer" and "changed file ..." | 08:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: please put the output on pastebin | 08:48 |
| Babloyi | missing maintainer is some old game I never got around to, I think | 08:48 |
| Babloyi | memoirencode :D | 08:48 |
| Babloyi | such a confusing technical name | 08:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: please put the entire output of debsums on pastebin.com | 08:49 |
| Babloyi | ok | 08:49 |
| Babloyi | https://hastebin.com/adugozusoy.java | 08:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | that's all? | 08:52 |
| Babloyi | yup | 08:52 |
| Babloyi | that not a lot? | 08:52 |
| Babloyi | how do you uninstall something in xubuntu? Want to get rid of memoir encode :D | 08:52 |
| pmjdebruijn | apt-get purge memoirencode:i386 | 08:52 |
| pmjdebruijn | probably | 08:53 |
| pmjdebruijn | what does pip --version say and pip3 --version say | 08:53 |
| Babloyi | Traceback (most recent call last): | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | File "/usr/bin/pip", line 9, in <module> | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | from pip import main | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | ImportError: cannot import name main | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | oops | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | well, yeah | 08:54 |
| Babloyi | sorry :D | 08:55 |
| Babloyi | but yeah, that for both | 08:55 |
| Babloyi | pip3 one does /usr/bin/pip3 of course, but the rest is the same | 08:56 |
| pmjdebruijn | did you run 'sudo pip install pip --upgrade' by any chance? | 09:00 |
| pmjdebruijn | if so 'python3 -m pip uninstall pip' might fix it | 09:00 |
| Babloyi | I didn't sudo, but yeah | 09:01 |
| Babloyi | ok | 09:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | so that's what broke your pip | 09:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | if you get PIP from packages | 09:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | so should mess with it outside of packages | 09:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | so you shouldn't ... | 09:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | btw did you googled for that error, those suggestions is one of the first pages you'll get | 09:02 |
| Babloyi | but my package has pip as version 8.1.1 | 09:02 |
| pmjdebruijn | so? | 09:02 |
| Babloyi | that's less than 10, which is old or something? :D | 09:02 |
| pmjdebruijn | so? | 09:02 |
| Babloyi | you said that was a problem :D | 09:03 |
| pmjdebruijn | I don't recall saying that | 09:03 |
| pmjdebruijn | pretty sure I didn't | 09:03 |
| Babloyi | ohyes | 09:04 |
| Babloyi | sorry | 09:04 |
| Babloyi | that was someone in the python channel | 09:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | bypassing the package system usually isn't a good idea | 09:04 |
| Babloyi | ok | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | if you need a newer pip version, it's usually time to consider whether or not to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu altogether | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | where everything is newer | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | not just one package | 09:05 |
| Babloyi | yeah, I'm still on 16.04 | 09:05 |
| Babloyi | waiting on the LTS upgrade | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | which isn't a problem per se | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | Babloyi: it's available IIRC | 09:05 |
| Babloyi | which will never come :( | 09:05 |
| Babloyi | nope | 09:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | considering you've been messing around with your system a fair bit, consider reinstalling if you can spare the time :) | 09:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | but you can force the upgrade btw | 09:06 |
| Babloyi | yeah, but that causes problems sometimes | 09:06 |
| Babloyi | was considering reinstalling | 09:06 |
| Babloyi | when the upgrade showed up :D | 09:06 |
| Babloyi | As for right now..."Checking for a new Ubuntu release. No new release found." :( | 09:07 |
| === Church- is now known as Church | ||
| rockyh | hello! How to enable the system bell in Xubuntu 16.04? | 10:53 |
| rockyh | which can ring, for example, when the bell character is printed on terminal, or when an error is generated | 10:54 |
| rockyh | in the Audio settings I only found settings related to the Audio card, rather than the system sounds | 10:56 |
| xubuntu51w | I can't seem to install 'gcolor2'. I've tried snap, apt-get, and even downloaded it from Sourceforge. I know that Xubuntu comes with gpick, but most times I prefer the simplicity of gcolor2. | 11:50 |
| Spass | xubuntu51w, I'm not using gcolor2, but your other option is to configure gpick and disable some not wanted things, make it simpler | 11:55 |
| Spass | does gcolor2 show some errors when you want to run it? | 11:56 |
| Spass | (from the terminal) | 11:56 |
| Spass | gcolor2 is no longer in the newest repos, but you can still download the DEB directly from here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcolor&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 11:58 |
| Spass | it's not guaranteed to work on 16.10+, it may have some missing dependencies | 12:00 |
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| xubuntu51w | when i download it, the terminal says 'no' /usr/bin/gcolor2, no such file or directory | 12:50 |
| qwebirc97168 | hello i have a question about non pae kernel | 13:52 |
| qwebirc97168 | is 12.04 the latest version of non pae xubuntu? | 13:52 |
| genii | "Lubuntu and Xubuntu offered a PAE and a non-PAE release up to and including 12.04, but from 12.10 only the PAE releases are maintained. " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE | 13:56 |
| Unit193 | And I might add, that version is out of support. | 13:57 |
| Invisible | Hello | 14:18 |
| Invisible | Anyone here? | 14:18 |
| pleia2 | Invisible: people tend to come out of the woodwork when you ask a question they think they can answer :) did you have a question about Xubuntu? | 14:19 |
| Invisible | <--having trouble with Acer laptop install (blew away Windoze) v18LTS | 14:19 |
| Invisible | efi issues, no doubt | 14:19 |
| Invisible | usb version boots/works | 14:20 |
| Invisible | install fails typically on grub2 install at install of efi | 14:21 |
| Invisible | apparently it is a common problem | 14:21 |
| Invisible | but none of the solutions I have seen on the forums seem to work | 14:21 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible: have you updated your laptop to it's latest available EFI? | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible: is it a 64bit EFI? | 14:23 |
| Invisible | running try number 11 now | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | some supercheap laptops have a 32bit EFI | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible: was the preinstalled Windows version 32bit or 64bit? | 14:23 |
| Invisible | laptop is new...no updates...formated away windoze 10 | 14:23 |
| Invisible | 64 bit | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | then EFI should be 64bit too | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | good | 14:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | you might need to reinstall Windows to update EFI though | 14:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | not sure what option Acer might give you | 14:24 |
| Invisible | is a Slim 1 laptop...dual core...be surprised if it has any 32 bit | 14:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | spin 1? | 14:24 |
| Invisible | Reinstall Windoze may not be an option. This unit came with no media. | 14:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | many cheap laptop (like 300EUR) are EFI crippled | 14:25 |
| === Lengsdorfer is now known as Guest16583 | ||
| Invisible | I know I can't change the bios from efi | 14:25 |
| Invisible | boots the usb just fine, though | 14:25 |
| Invisible | runs xubuntu OK from usb | 14:26 |
| Invisible | yep...spin 1 | 14:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | presumably it has eMMC | 14:27 |
| Invisible | yes | 14:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | are you using 18.04.1 media? | 14:27 |
| Invisible | latest one...LTS version | 14:28 |
| Invisible | 18-something | 14:28 |
| Invisible | downloaded yesterday | 14:28 |
| Invisible | 64 bit version | 14:28 |
| pmjdebruijn | that should be 18.04.1, but do check it | 14:29 |
| pmjdebruijn | no need to be vague | 14:29 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible: what BIOS/EFI version does your laptop have 1.0.8 ? | 14:29 |
| Invisible | not sure | 14:30 |
| Invisible | how can I check | 14:30 |
| pmjdebruijn | boot into your EFI | 14:30 |
| Invisible | <--not good with efi | 14:30 |
| pmjdebruijn | <--not good with your particular laptop | 14:30 |
| Invisible | how do I "boot into efi" | 14:30 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible: i'm sure it has a manual | 14:30 |
| Invisible | Yep...read it in 6 seconds. Plug it in. Mash the power button. | 14:31 |
| === Guest16583 is now known as Lengsdorfer | ||
| pmjdebruijn | https://au.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7550/~/changing-boot-order | 14:31 |
| pmjdebruijn | maybe that works | 14:31 |
| Invisible | Then there were 4 other pages of the same in different languages | 14:31 |
| Invisible | I can get into the machine startup bios, if that's what you mean | 14:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | yes | 14:32 |
| Invisible | Have to kill this session first | 14:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's EFI these days | 14:32 |
| Invisible | Install failed, by the way on creating config file | 14:33 |
| pmjdebruijn | do you still have the exact error message that was generated? | 14:35 |
| * pmjdebruijn wonders how well the ubuntu installers has been tested with eMMC | 14:37 | |
| pmjdebruijn | given that that's a very recent thing, exclusively on very low end machines | 14:37 |
| Invisible_ | OK...back, I think | 14:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | and? | 14:38 |
| Invisible_ | In boot setup | 14:38 |
| Invisible_ | System BIOS verson 1.05 | 14:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | so that's fairly old | 14:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | updating it MIGHT solve your issue, or it might not | 14:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | it will however fix some of the CPU security vulnerabilities | 14:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | or at least mitigate, but that's another matter altogether | 14:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | so I would considering updating the EFI anyhow | 14:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | and I would update it before taking the device into general use | 14:39 |
| Invisible_ | OK...since I have to call Acer for that, I guess I'll look into restoring windows 10 | 14:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | as for ubuntu install failing | 14:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | do you still have the error message? | 14:39 |
| Invisible_ | Not at the moment. But it is during the grub2 install. I think it was something like freezing at "Installing grub2_efi_x64" | 14:40 |
| Invisible_ | near the end of the process...after the kernel and ram configurations | 14:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity | 14:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | that might be helpful | 14:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | particular /var/log/installer | 14:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | and trying to run 'ubiquity -d' | 14:41 |
| Invisible_ | tough to run once it freezes...I could try booting with the USB and see if the log is intact | 14:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | huh? | 14:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | so if you reboot any logs be gone | 14:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | but | 14:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | does the entire machine freeze? | 14:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | not just the installer? | 14:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible_: btw, did you disable Secure Boot ? | 14:49 |
| pmjdebruijn | while it shouldn't be needed, some people do refer to doing that | 14:49 |
| Invisible_ | I have tried with secure enabled and disabled | 14:52 |
| pmjdebruijn | Invisible_: are you sure the entire system froze? | 14:53 |
| Invisible_ | and tried enabling and pointing the efi DB to a file in /boot/efi | 14:53 |
| pmjdebruijn | efi db? | 14:53 |
| Invisible_ | Not certain...but when running the install from the usb without booting xubuntu first, it is not possible to get to a terminal | 14:54 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh | 14:54 |
| pmjdebruijn | just boot into the live environment | 14:54 |
| pmjdebruijn | you can run ubiquity from there | 14:54 |
| Invisible_ | if you have security on, you can go to the boot menu and point it to a .wri file created by the install | 14:54 |
| pmjdebruijn | the logging might explain | 14:54 |
| Invisible_ | I did that once....can do it again to use a terminal....will try that. | 14:55 |
| Invisible_ | acer says I'm hosed as far as getting windoze back...have to create a restore disk FIRST before doing anything else. | 14:56 |
| Invisible_ | would have been good to know BEFORE I did the first linux install | 14:56 |
| pmjdebruijn | if you get a new laptop it's usually a good idea to run bios/efi update stuff | 14:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | as with most cheap laptops it's windows only | 14:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | same goes for Intel ME updates if available | 14:57 |
| pmjdebruijn | so you might want to check for that as well "Intel Management Engine" | 14:58 |
| Invisible_ | OK...Acer is sending me (snail-mail) a new Windoze distro... | 15:10 |
| Invisible_ | Meanwhile, I am running another install attempt after booting USB with secure boot OFF and Erase entire disk option | 15:12 |
| Invisible_ | ok...should be approaching the crash point | 15:18 |
| Invisible_ | yep...here it is: ubuntuubiquity: Installing for x86_64-efi platform. | 15:20 |
| Invisible_ | That's where it stops | 15:20 |
| Invisible_ | WOAH! It kept going | 15:22 |
| Invisible_ | I'm blaming ALIENS! | 15:22 |
| Invisible_ | Cleaning up temp directories now....seems to be making a meal of it. | 15:23 |
| Invisible_ | Interesting. That's the first time I ran it from the booted USB. My usual procedure is to select INSTALL from the boot menu. | 15:25 |
| Invisible_ | Still cleaning up temp directories | 15:25 |
| Invisible_ | Seems to be taking its time | 15:25 |
| Invisible_ | seems stuck now | 15:29 |
| Invisible_ | system is running however | 15:30 |
| Invisible_ | looks like a bug in the ubiquity script. Went to deleting temp directories twice. Now it is plowing through timeouts for directories that do not exist. | 15:36 |
| Invisible_ | That'll take a while | 15:36 |
| Invisible_ | Warning: Source ID nnnn was not found when attempting to remove it. | 15:37 |
| Invisible_ | Stopped it and booted. | 15:41 |
| Invisible_ | right to the grub> prompt | 15:42 |
| FurretUber | Hi, what program is the responsible for running the keyboard shortcuts? Sometimes some of the keyboard shortcuts stop working and I don't know what may be wrong | 18:18 |
| FurretUber | This happens since a long time (Xubuntu 16.04 already had issues, now I'm using 18.04) and I can't find where it fails | 18:19 |
| FurretUber | I'm running xfsettingsd with debug option. To start xfsettingsd in debug mode I set it to run "env XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon" on startup of the session | 18:22 |
| FurretUber | Is there another program (as xfconfd) that I should set to run in debug mode (if available)? | 18:23 |
| xubuntu20w | Help In download there is no complete grub package! | 18:49 |
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