[04:00] <daffy1234> knome, that stinks. Is there any way to go about converting to btrfs without a full reinstall?
[06:43] <Babloyi> arrrrghhhhh....why don't python people just decide which python they want to use, and stick with it...instead, I have to constantly deal with errors because some imported thing was imported in 2 or 3 and what I'm doing doesn't run
[06:43] <Babloyi> I keep running into conflicts in the terminal because I don't know for which version of python whatever I just installed works
[06:44] <Babloyi> and then it ends up being a tangled mess
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not quite sure what you mean?
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> v2 and v3 are seperated
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: ?
[06:55] <Babloyi> maybe
[06:56] <Babloyi> but like stuff with pip
[06:56] <Babloyi> which pip will run when I pip?
[06:56] <Babloyi> it should've been 3, but I suspect it was 2
[06:56] <Babloyi> and every time I pip, I get a message that my pip is old
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> did you need pip at all? aren't the libraries you need already packaged in the ubuntu repositories?
[06:56] <Babloyi> and now pip won't run at all
[06:57] <Babloyi> apparently panda is not
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> python-pandas python3-pandas ?
[06:57] <Babloyi> I have to pip them like that?
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> no
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> those are the ubuntu packages
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> where you can avoid pip
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> completely
[06:59] <pmjdebruijn> also
[06:59] <pmjdebruijn> there's python-pip (pip/pip2)
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> and python3-iip (pip3)
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> which I guess both do the obvious thing
[07:01] <Babloyi> I installed both
[07:01] <Babloyi> and now pip doesn't work :D
[07:01] <Babloyi> neither does pip nor pip3
[07:01] <Babloyi> lets see if installing pandas directly works :D
[07:04] <Babloyi> now it tells me xlrd doesn't exist :/
[07:04] <Babloyi> I'm going to have to do this one by one for everything :(
[07:52] <Raj_> hi
[07:52] <Raj_> how to install the printer
[08:36] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: how does it not work? what error do you get? put it on pastebin?
[08:36] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: also if pip worked before, what did you do before it stopped working?
[08:37] <Babloyi> it was giving me an error that main does not exist, pmj
[08:37] <pmjdebruijn> what exactly
[08:37] <Babloyi> but I installed pandas directly
[08:37] <pmjdebruijn> thing is
[08:37] <Babloyi> so it isn't a problem anymore
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> usually it's bad idea, to just find the way is least resistenace
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> not sure what "manual" install entails
[08:38] <Babloyi> whatever works :D
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> that's a bad attitude :)
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> :D
[08:38] <Babloyi> ImportError: cannot import name 'main'
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> kidding
[08:38] <Babloyi> is what it said when I tried running pip
[08:38] <Babloyi> or pip3
[08:38] <Babloyi> but it doesn't matter anymore, I guess
[08:38] <Babloyi> pip can go pip itself
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> i'm sortof not sure pip is the real issue
[08:39]  * pmjdebruijn isn't a python expert either
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> but i've never seen pip break yet
[08:40] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: you could run 'debsums -s' to see if some package was broken
[08:41] <Babloyi> thanks, 256kb extra used up now!
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> ???
[08:42] <Babloyi> debsums wasn't installed, I had to install it :P
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> it's very useful
[08:42] <Babloyi> ok :D
[08:43] <Babloyi> nice
[08:43] <Babloyi> lots of problems popping up
[08:43] <Babloyi> and debsums seems to be lost
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: "lost"
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> "lots of problems"
[08:43] <Babloyi> I wonder how long this is going to take :D
[08:43] <Babloyi> I mean it is hung
[08:44] <Babloyi> doing stuff
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> if debsums shows you a lot of errors, you've got a deffective install
[08:44] <Babloyi> what does debsums do exactly :D
[08:44] <Babloyi> probably do
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> -s = silent = only errors
[08:44] <Babloyi> ah
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> it checks checksum of all packages
[08:44] <Babloyi> it repairs missing packages or something?
[08:44] <Babloyi> ah
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> no only checks
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> also
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> the error you describe seems relevant to pip version 10
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu doesn't ship version 10
[08:44] <Babloyi> really? Because it is telling me "debsums: changed file ...."
[08:45] <Babloyi> 8.something, pmj
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: pastebin
[08:45] <Babloyi> I got it to upgrade to 18
[08:45] <Babloyi> but that causes problems too
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[08:45] <Babloyi> debsums is still changing things
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> debsums doesn't change anything
[08:46] <Babloyi> literally saying "debsums: changed file ..."
[08:46] <Babloyi> as output
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> yes
[08:46] <Babloyi> for loads of things
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> something changed it
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> as oppossed to what it should be
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> changed = past tense
[08:47] <Babloyi> so this list of things that are changed, should I repair them one by one?
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> if that list is long, a system reinstall might be better
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> again, pastebin that list
[08:48] <Babloyi> "warning parsing file ... missing maintainer" and  "changed file ..."
[08:48] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: please put the output on pastebin
[08:48] <Babloyi> missing maintainer is some old game I never got around to, I think
[08:48] <Babloyi> memoirencode :D
[08:48] <Babloyi> such a confusing technical name
[08:49] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: please put the entire output of debsums on pastebin.com
[08:49] <Babloyi> ok
[08:51] <Babloyi> https://hastebin.com/adugozusoy.java
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> that's all?
[08:52] <Babloyi> yup
[08:52] <Babloyi> that not a lot?
[08:52] <Babloyi> how do you uninstall something in xubuntu? Want to get rid of memoir encode :D
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> apt-get purge memoirencode:i386
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> probably
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> what does pip --version say and pip3 --version say
[08:54] <Babloyi> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:54] <Babloyi>   File "/usr/bin/pip", line 9, in <module>
[08:54] <Babloyi>     from pip import main
[08:54] <Babloyi> ImportError: cannot import name main
[08:54] <Babloyi> oops
[08:54] <Babloyi> well, yeah
[08:55] <Babloyi> sorry :D
[08:55] <Babloyi> but yeah, that for both
[08:56] <Babloyi> pip3 one does /usr/bin/pip3 of course, but the rest is the same
[09:00] <pmjdebruijn> did you run 'sudo pip install pip --upgrade' by any chance?
[09:00] <pmjdebruijn> if so 'python3 -m pip uninstall pip' might fix it
[09:01] <Babloyi> I didn't sudo, but yeah
[09:01] <Babloyi> ok
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so that's what broke your pip
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> if you get PIP from packages
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so should mess with it outside of packages
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so you shouldn't ...
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> btw did you googled for that error, those suggestions is one of the first pages you'll get
[09:02] <Babloyi> but my package has pip as version 8.1.1
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> so?
[09:02] <Babloyi> that's less than 10, which is old or something? :D
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> so?
[09:03] <Babloyi> you said that was a problem :D
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> I don't recall saying that
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> pretty sure I didn't
[09:04] <Babloyi> ohyes
[09:04] <Babloyi> sorry
[09:04] <Babloyi> that was someone in the python channel
[09:04] <pmjdebruijn> bypassing the package system usually isn't a good idea
[09:05] <Babloyi> ok
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> if you need a newer pip version, it's usually time to consider whether or not to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu altogether
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> where everything is newer
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> not just one package
[09:05] <Babloyi> yeah, I'm still on 16.04
[09:05] <Babloyi> waiting on the LTS upgrade
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> which isn't a problem per se
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: it's available IIRC
[09:05] <Babloyi> which will never come :(
[09:05] <Babloyi> nope
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> considering you've been messing around with your system a fair bit, consider reinstalling if you can spare the time :)
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> but you can force the upgrade btw
[09:06] <Babloyi> yeah, but that causes problems sometimes
[09:06] <Babloyi> was considering reinstalling
[09:06] <Babloyi> when the upgrade showed up :D
[09:07] <Babloyi> As for right now..."Checking for a new Ubuntu release. No new release found." :(
[10:53] <rockyh> hello! How to enable the system bell in Xubuntu 16.04?
[10:54] <rockyh> which can ring, for example, when the bell character is printed on terminal, or when an error is generated
[10:56] <rockyh> in the Audio settings I only found settings related to the Audio card, rather than the system sounds
[11:50] <xubuntu51w> I can't seem to install 'gcolor2'. I've tried snap, apt-get, and even downloaded it from Sourceforge. I know that Xubuntu comes with gpick, but most times I prefer the simplicity of gcolor2.
[11:55] <Spass> xubuntu51w, I'm not using gcolor2, but your other option is to configure gpick and disable some not wanted things, make it simpler
[11:56] <Spass> does gcolor2 show some errors when you want to run it?
[11:56] <Spass> (from the terminal)
[11:58] <Spass> gcolor2 is no longer in the newest repos, but you can still download the DEB directly from here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcolor&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[12:00] <Spass> it's not guaranteed to work on 16.10+, it may have some missing dependencies
[12:50] <xubuntu51w> when i download it, the terminal says 'no'  /usr/bin/gcolor2, no such file or directory
[13:52] <qwebirc97168> hello i have a question about non pae kernel
[13:52] <qwebirc97168> is 12.04 the latest version of non pae xubuntu?
[13:56] <genii> "Lubuntu and Xubuntu offered a PAE and a non-PAE release up to and including 12.04, but from 12.10 only the PAE releases are maintained. " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[13:57] <Unit193> And I might add, that version is out of support.
[14:18] <Invisible> Hello
[14:18] <Invisible> Anyone here?
[14:19] <pleia2> Invisible: people tend to come out of the woodwork when you ask a question they think they can answer :) did you have a question about Xubuntu?
[14:19] <Invisible>  <--having trouble with Acer laptop install (blew away Windoze) v18LTS
[14:19] <Invisible> efi issues, no doubt
[14:20] <Invisible> usb version boots/works
[14:21] <Invisible> install fails typically on grub2 install at install of efi
[14:21] <Invisible> apparently it is a common problem
[14:21] <Invisible> but none of the solutions I have seen on the forums seem to work
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: have you updated your laptop to it's latest available EFI?
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: is it a 64bit EFI?
[14:23] <Invisible> running try number 11 now
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> some supercheap laptops have a 32bit EFI
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: was the preinstalled Windows version 32bit or 64bit?
[14:23] <Invisible> laptop is new...no updates...formated away windoze 10
[14:23] <Invisible> 64 bit
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> then EFI should be 64bit too
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> good
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> you might need to reinstall Windows to update EFI though
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> not sure what option Acer might give you
[14:24] <Invisible> is a Slim 1 laptop...dual core...be surprised if it has any 32 bit
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> spin 1?
[14:25] <Invisible> Reinstall Windoze may not be an option.  This unit came with no media.
[14:25] <pmjdebruijn> many cheap laptop (like 300EUR) are EFI crippled
[14:25] <Invisible> I know I can't change the bios from efi
[14:25] <Invisible> boots the usb just fine, though
[14:26] <Invisible> runs xubuntu OK from usb
[14:27] <Invisible> yep...spin 1
[14:27] <pmjdebruijn> presumably it has eMMC
[14:27] <Invisible> yes
[14:27] <pmjdebruijn> are you using 18.04.1 media?
[14:28] <Invisible> latest one...LTS version
[14:28] <Invisible> 18-something
[14:28] <Invisible> downloaded yesterday
[14:28] <Invisible> 64 bit version
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> that should be 18.04.1, but do check it
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> no need to be vague
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: what BIOS/EFI version does your laptop have 1.0.8 ?
[14:30] <Invisible> not sure
[14:30] <Invisible> how can I check
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> boot into your EFI
[14:30] <Invisible> <--not good with efi
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> <--not good with your particular laptop
[14:30] <Invisible> how do I "boot into efi"
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: i'm sure it has a manual
[14:31] <Invisible> Yep...read it in 6 seconds.  Plug it in.  Mash the power button.
[14:31] <pmjdebruijn> https://au.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7550/~/changing-boot-order
[14:31] <pmjdebruijn> maybe that works
[14:31] <Invisible> Then there were 4 other pages of the same in different languages
[14:32] <Invisible> I can get into the machine startup bios, if that's what you mean
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> yes
[14:32] <Invisible> Have to kill this session first
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> it's EFI these days
[14:33] <Invisible> Install failed, by the way on creating config file
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> do you still have the exact error message that was generated?
[14:37]  * pmjdebruijn wonders how well the ubuntu installers has been tested with eMMC
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> given that that's a very recent thing, exclusively on very low end machines
[14:37] <Invisible_> OK...back, I think
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> and?
[14:38] <Invisible_> In boot setup
[14:38] <Invisible_> System BIOS verson 1.05
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> so that's fairly old
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> updating it MIGHT solve your issue, or it might not
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> it will however fix some of the CPU security vulnerabilities
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> or at least mitigate, but that's another matter altogether
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> so I would considering updating the EFI anyhow
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> and I would update it before taking the device into general use
[14:39] <Invisible_> OK...since I have to call Acer for that, I guess I'll look into restoring windows 10
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> as for ubuntu install failing
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> do you still have the error message?
[14:40] <Invisible_> Not at the moment.  But it is during the grub2 install.  I think it was something like freezing at "Installing grub2_efi_x64"
[14:41] <Invisible_> near the end of the process...after the kernel and ram configurations
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> that might be helpful
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> particular /var/log/installer
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> and trying to run 'ubiquity -d'
[14:43] <Invisible_> tough to run once it freezes...I could try booting with the USB and see if the log is intact
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> so if you reboot any logs be gone
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> but
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> does the entire machine freeze?
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> not just the installer?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible_: btw, did you disable Secure Boot ?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> while it shouldn't be needed, some people do refer to doing that
[14:52] <Invisible_> I have tried with secure enabled and disabled
[14:53] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible_: are you sure the entire system froze?
[14:53] <Invisible_> and tried enabling and pointing the efi DB to a file in /boot/efi
[14:53] <pmjdebruijn> efi db?
[14:54] <Invisible_> Not certain...but when running the install from the usb without booting xubuntu first, it is not possible to get to a terminal
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> just boot into the live environment
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> you can run ubiquity from there
[14:54] <Invisible_> if you have security on, you can go to the boot menu and point it to a .wri file created by the install
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> the logging might explain
[14:55] <Invisible_> I did that once....can do it again to use a terminal....will try that.
[14:56] <Invisible_> acer says I'm hosed as far as getting windoze back...have to create a restore disk FIRST before doing anything else.
[14:56] <Invisible_> would have been good to know BEFORE I did the first linux install
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> if you get a new laptop it's usually a good idea to run bios/efi update stuff
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> as with most cheap laptops it's windows only
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> same goes for Intel ME updates if available
[14:58] <pmjdebruijn> so you might want to check for that as well "Intel Management Engine"
[15:10] <Invisible_> OK...Acer is sending me (snail-mail) a new Windoze distro...
[15:12] <Invisible_> Meanwhile, I am running another install attempt after booting USB with secure boot OFF and Erase entire disk option
[15:18] <Invisible_> ok...should be approaching the crash point
[15:20] <Invisible_> yep...here it is:  ubuntuubiquity: Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:20] <Invisible_> That's where it stops
[15:22] <Invisible_> WOAH!  It kept going
[15:22] <Invisible_> I'm blaming ALIENS!
[15:23] <Invisible_> Cleaning up temp directories now....seems to be making a meal of it.
[15:25] <Invisible_> Interesting.  That's the first time I ran it from the booted USB.  My usual procedure is to select INSTALL from the boot menu.
[15:25] <Invisible_> Still cleaning up temp directories
[15:25] <Invisible_> Seems to be taking its time
[15:29] <Invisible_> seems stuck now
[15:30] <Invisible_> system is running however
[15:36] <Invisible_> looks like a bug in the ubiquity script.  Went to deleting temp directories twice.  Now it is plowing through timeouts for directories that do not exist.
[15:36] <Invisible_> That'll take a while
[15:37] <Invisible_> Warning:  Source ID nnnn was not found when attempting to remove it.
[15:41] <Invisible_> Stopped it and booted.
[15:42] <Invisible_> right to the grub> prompt
[18:18] <FurretUber> Hi, what program is the responsible for running the keyboard shortcuts? Sometimes some of the keyboard shortcuts stop working and I don't know what may be wrong
[18:19] <FurretUber> This happens since a long time (Xubuntu 16.04 already had issues, now I'm using 18.04) and I can't find where it fails
[18:22] <FurretUber> I'm running xfsettingsd with debug option. To start xfsettingsd in debug mode I set it to run  "env XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon" on startup of the session
[18:23] <FurretUber> Is there another program (as xfconfd) that I should set to run in debug mode (if available)?
[18:49] <xubuntu20w> Help In download there is no complete grub package!