[04:00] knome, that stinks. Is there any way to go about converting to btrfs without a full reinstall? [06:43] arrrrghhhhh....why don't python people just decide which python they want to use, and stick with it...instead, I have to constantly deal with errors because some imported thing was imported in 2 or 3 and what I'm doing doesn't run [06:43] I keep running into conflicts in the terminal because I don't know for which version of python whatever I just installed works [06:44] and then it ends up being a tangled mess [06:50] i'm not quite sure what you mean? [06:50] v2 and v3 are seperated [06:53] Babloyi: ? [06:55] maybe [06:56] but like stuff with pip [06:56] which pip will run when I pip? [06:56] it should've been 3, but I suspect it was 2 [06:56] and every time I pip, I get a message that my pip is old [06:56] did you need pip at all? aren't the libraries you need already packaged in the ubuntu repositories? [06:56] and now pip won't run at all [06:57] apparently panda is not [06:57] python-pandas python3-pandas ? [06:57] I have to pip them like that? [06:57] no [06:58] those are the ubuntu packages [06:58] where you can avoid pip [06:58] completely [06:59] also [06:59] there's python-pip (pip/pip2) [07:00] and python3-iip (pip3) [07:00] which I guess both do the obvious thing [07:01] I installed both [07:01] and now pip doesn't work :D [07:01] neither does pip nor pip3 [07:01] lets see if installing pandas directly works :D [07:04] now it tells me xlrd doesn't exist :/ [07:04] I'm going to have to do this one by one for everything :( [07:52] hi [07:52] how to install the printer === ca-on-adam1 is now known as ca-on-adam [08:36] Babloyi: how does it not work? what error do you get? put it on pastebin? [08:36] Babloyi: also if pip worked before, what did you do before it stopped working? [08:37] it was giving me an error that main does not exist, pmj [08:37] what exactly [08:37] but I installed pandas directly [08:37] thing is [08:37] so it isn't a problem anymore [08:38] usually it's bad idea, to just find the way is least resistenace [08:38] not sure what "manual" install entails [08:38] whatever works :D [08:38] that's a bad attitude :) [08:38] :D [08:38] ImportError: cannot import name 'main' [08:38] kidding [08:38] is what it said when I tried running pip [08:38] or pip3 [08:38] but it doesn't matter anymore, I guess [08:38] pip can go pip itself [08:39] i'm sortof not sure pip is the real issue [08:39] * pmjdebruijn isn't a python expert either [08:39] but i've never seen pip break yet [08:40] Babloyi: you could run 'debsums -s' to see if some package was broken [08:41] thanks, 256kb extra used up now! [08:42] ??? [08:42] debsums wasn't installed, I had to install it :P [08:42] it's very useful [08:42] ok :D [08:43] nice [08:43] lots of problems popping up [08:43] and debsums seems to be lost [08:43] Babloyi: "lost" [08:43] "lots of problems" [08:43] I wonder how long this is going to take :D [08:43] I mean it is hung [08:44] doing stuff [08:44] if debsums shows you a lot of errors, you've got a deffective install [08:44] what does debsums do exactly :D [08:44] probably do [08:44] -s = silent = only errors [08:44] ah [08:44] it checks checksum of all packages [08:44] it repairs missing packages or something? [08:44] ah [08:44] no only checks [08:44] also [08:44] the error you describe seems relevant to pip version 10 [08:44] ubuntu doesn't ship version 10 [08:44] really? Because it is telling me "debsums: changed file ...." [08:45] 8.something, pmj [08:45] Babloyi: pastebin [08:45] I got it to upgrade to 18 [08:45] but that causes problems too [08:45] huh? [08:45] debsums is still changing things [08:45] debsums doesn't change anything [08:46] literally saying "debsums: changed file ..." [08:46] as output [08:46] yes [08:46] for loads of things [08:46] something changed it [08:46] as oppossed to what it should be [08:47] changed = past tense [08:47] so this list of things that are changed, should I repair them one by one? [08:47] if that list is long, a system reinstall might be better [08:47] again, pastebin that list [08:48] "warning parsing file ... missing maintainer" and "changed file ..." [08:48] Babloyi: please put the output on pastebin [08:48] missing maintainer is some old game I never got around to, I think [08:48] memoirencode :D [08:48] such a confusing technical name [08:49] Babloyi: please put the entire output of debsums on pastebin.com [08:49] ok [08:51] https://hastebin.com/adugozusoy.java [08:52] that's all? [08:52] yup [08:52] that not a lot? [08:52] how do you uninstall something in xubuntu? Want to get rid of memoir encode :D [08:52] apt-get purge memoirencode:i386 [08:53] probably [08:53] what does pip --version say and pip3 --version say [08:54] Traceback (most recent call last): [08:54] File "/usr/bin/pip", line 9, in [08:54] from pip import main [08:54] ImportError: cannot import name main [08:54] oops [08:54] well, yeah [08:55] sorry :D [08:55] but yeah, that for both [08:56] pip3 one does /usr/bin/pip3 of course, but the rest is the same [09:00] did you run 'sudo pip install pip --upgrade' by any chance? [09:00] if so 'python3 -m pip uninstall pip' might fix it [09:01] I didn't sudo, but yeah [09:01] ok [09:01] so that's what broke your pip [09:01] if you get PIP from packages [09:01] so should mess with it outside of packages [09:01] so you shouldn't ... [09:02] btw did you googled for that error, those suggestions is one of the first pages you'll get [09:02] but my package has pip as version 8.1.1 [09:02] so? [09:02] that's less than 10, which is old or something? :D [09:02] so? [09:03] you said that was a problem :D [09:03] I don't recall saying that [09:03] pretty sure I didn't [09:04] ohyes [09:04] sorry [09:04] that was someone in the python channel [09:04] bypassing the package system usually isn't a good idea [09:05] ok [09:05] if you need a newer pip version, it's usually time to consider whether or not to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu altogether [09:05] where everything is newer [09:05] not just one package [09:05] yeah, I'm still on 16.04 [09:05] waiting on the LTS upgrade [09:05] which isn't a problem per se [09:05] Babloyi: it's available IIRC [09:05] which will never come :( [09:05] nope [09:06] considering you've been messing around with your system a fair bit, consider reinstalling if you can spare the time :) [09:06] but you can force the upgrade btw [09:06] yeah, but that causes problems sometimes [09:06] was considering reinstalling [09:06] when the upgrade showed up :D [09:07] As for right now..."Checking for a new Ubuntu release. No new release found." :( === Church- is now known as Church [10:53] hello! How to enable the system bell in Xubuntu 16.04? [10:54] which can ring, for example, when the bell character is printed on terminal, or when an error is generated [10:56] in the Audio settings I only found settings related to the Audio card, rather than the system sounds [11:50] I can't seem to install 'gcolor2'. I've tried snap, apt-get, and even downloaded it from Sourceforge. I know that Xubuntu comes with gpick, but most times I prefer the simplicity of gcolor2. [11:55] xubuntu51w, I'm not using gcolor2, but your other option is to configure gpick and disable some not wanted things, make it simpler [11:56] does gcolor2 show some errors when you want to run it? [11:56] (from the terminal) [11:58] gcolor2 is no longer in the newest repos, but you can still download the DEB directly from here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcolor&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all [12:00] it's not guaranteed to work on 16.10+, it may have some missing dependencies === Lengsdorfer is now known as Guest62104 [12:50] when i download it, the terminal says 'no' /usr/bin/gcolor2, no such file or directory [13:52] hello i have a question about non pae kernel [13:52] is 12.04 the latest version of non pae xubuntu? [13:56] "Lubuntu and Xubuntu offered a PAE and a non-PAE release up to and including 12.04, but from 12.10 only the PAE releases are maintained. " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE [13:57] And I might add, that version is out of support. [14:18] Hello [14:18] Anyone here? [14:19] Invisible: people tend to come out of the woodwork when you ask a question they think they can answer :) did you have a question about Xubuntu? [14:19] <--having trouble with Acer laptop install (blew away Windoze) v18LTS [14:19] efi issues, no doubt [14:20] usb version boots/works [14:21] install fails typically on grub2 install at install of efi [14:21] apparently it is a common problem [14:21] but none of the solutions I have seen on the forums seem to work [14:23] Invisible: have you updated your laptop to it's latest available EFI? [14:23] Invisible: is it a 64bit EFI? [14:23] running try number 11 now [14:23] some supercheap laptops have a 32bit EFI [14:23] Invisible: was the preinstalled Windows version 32bit or 64bit? [14:23] laptop is new...no updates...formated away windoze 10 [14:23] 64 bit [14:23] then EFI should be 64bit too [14:23] good [14:24] you might need to reinstall Windows to update EFI though [14:24] not sure what option Acer might give you [14:24] is a Slim 1 laptop...dual core...be surprised if it has any 32 bit [14:24] spin 1? [14:25] Reinstall Windoze may not be an option. This unit came with no media. [14:25] many cheap laptop (like 300EUR) are EFI crippled === Lengsdorfer is now known as Guest16583 [14:25] I know I can't change the bios from efi [14:25] boots the usb just fine, though [14:26] runs xubuntu OK from usb [14:27] yep...spin 1 [14:27] presumably it has eMMC [14:27] yes [14:27] are you using 18.04.1 media? [14:28] latest one...LTS version [14:28] 18-something [14:28] downloaded yesterday [14:28] 64 bit version [14:29] that should be 18.04.1, but do check it [14:29] no need to be vague [14:29] Invisible: what BIOS/EFI version does your laptop have 1.0.8 ? [14:30] not sure [14:30] how can I check [14:30] boot into your EFI [14:30] <--not good with efi [14:30] <--not good with your particular laptop [14:30] how do I "boot into efi" [14:30] Invisible: i'm sure it has a manual [14:31] Yep...read it in 6 seconds. Plug it in. Mash the power button. === Guest16583 is now known as Lengsdorfer [14:31] https://au.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7550/~/changing-boot-order [14:31] maybe that works [14:31] Then there were 4 other pages of the same in different languages [14:32] I can get into the machine startup bios, if that's what you mean [14:32] yes [14:32] Have to kill this session first [14:32] it's EFI these days [14:33] Install failed, by the way on creating config file [14:35] do you still have the exact error message that was generated? [14:37] * pmjdebruijn wonders how well the ubuntu installers has been tested with eMMC [14:37] given that that's a very recent thing, exclusively on very low end machines [14:37] OK...back, I think [14:38] and? [14:38] In boot setup [14:38] System BIOS verson 1.05 [14:38] so that's fairly old [14:38] updating it MIGHT solve your issue, or it might not [14:38] it will however fix some of the CPU security vulnerabilities [14:38] or at least mitigate, but that's another matter altogether [14:39] so I would considering updating the EFI anyhow [14:39] and I would update it before taking the device into general use [14:39] OK...since I have to call Acer for that, I guess I'll look into restoring windows 10 [14:39] as for ubuntu install failing [14:39] do you still have the error message? [14:40] Not at the moment. But it is during the grub2 install. I think it was something like freezing at "Installing grub2_efi_x64" [14:41] near the end of the process...after the kernel and ram configurations [14:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity [14:41] that might be helpful [14:41] particular /var/log/installer [14:41] and trying to run 'ubiquity -d' [14:43] tough to run once it freezes...I could try booting with the USB and see if the log is intact [14:44] huh? [14:44] so if you reboot any logs be gone [14:44] but [14:44] does the entire machine freeze? [14:45] not just the installer? [14:49] Invisible_: btw, did you disable Secure Boot ? [14:49] while it shouldn't be needed, some people do refer to doing that [14:52] I have tried with secure enabled and disabled [14:53] Invisible_: are you sure the entire system froze? [14:53] and tried enabling and pointing the efi DB to a file in /boot/efi [14:53] efi db? [14:54] Not certain...but when running the install from the usb without booting xubuntu first, it is not possible to get to a terminal [14:54] oh [14:54] just boot into the live environment [14:54] you can run ubiquity from there [14:54] if you have security on, you can go to the boot menu and point it to a .wri file created by the install [14:54] the logging might explain [14:55] I did that once....can do it again to use a terminal....will try that. [14:56] acer says I'm hosed as far as getting windoze back...have to create a restore disk FIRST before doing anything else. [14:56] would have been good to know BEFORE I did the first linux install [14:57] if you get a new laptop it's usually a good idea to run bios/efi update stuff [14:57] as with most cheap laptops it's windows only [14:57] same goes for Intel ME updates if available [14:58] so you might want to check for that as well "Intel Management Engine" [15:10] OK...Acer is sending me (snail-mail) a new Windoze distro... [15:12] Meanwhile, I am running another install attempt after booting USB with secure boot OFF and Erase entire disk option [15:18] ok...should be approaching the crash point [15:20] yep...here it is: ubuntuubiquity: Installing for x86_64-efi platform. [15:20] That's where it stops [15:22] WOAH! It kept going [15:22] I'm blaming ALIENS! [15:23] Cleaning up temp directories now....seems to be making a meal of it. [15:25] Interesting. That's the first time I ran it from the booted USB. My usual procedure is to select INSTALL from the boot menu. [15:25] Still cleaning up temp directories [15:25] Seems to be taking its time [15:29] seems stuck now [15:30] system is running however [15:36] looks like a bug in the ubiquity script. Went to deleting temp directories twice. Now it is plowing through timeouts for directories that do not exist. [15:36] That'll take a while [15:37] Warning: Source ID nnnn was not found when attempting to remove it. [15:41] Stopped it and booted. [15:42] right to the grub> prompt [18:18] Hi, what program is the responsible for running the keyboard shortcuts? Sometimes some of the keyboard shortcuts stop working and I don't know what may be wrong [18:19] This happens since a long time (Xubuntu 16.04 already had issues, now I'm using 18.04) and I can't find where it fails [18:22] I'm running xfsettingsd with debug option. To start xfsettingsd in debug mode I set it to run "env XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon" on startup of the session [18:23] Is there another program (as xfconfd) that I should set to run in debug mode (if available)? [18:49] Help In download there is no complete grub package!