[00:15] <cryptodan> 10 minutes on CentOS 7 ISO
[00:23] <compdoc> pretty horrible, huh?
[00:25] <cryptodan> not for 8gigs
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[08:42] <Doow> !ops There's a lot of spam going on atm.
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[09:05] <rbasak> ahasenack: no, by hand
[09:20] <Unit193> rbasak: Can we set this channel +r?
[09:31] <rbasak> Unit193: I'm not an IRC op
[09:31] <rbasak> (and don't know what it means)
[09:31] <Unit193> rbasak: Means only registered can join.
[09:32] <rbasak> It's not great because we do have quite a few drive by users looking for help here. But maybe it's necessary right now.
[09:33] <Unit193> Yeah, that's why I haven't yet.  But you're a channel reg sooo..
[09:34] <rbasak> What's a channel reg?
[09:35] <Unit193> Channel regular.
[09:36] <rbasak> Ah :)
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[09:47] <rbasak> Unit193: let's do it
[09:48] <rbasak> Unit193: I can give you a list of nicks I recognise from /names if that'll help
[09:48] <Unit193> rbasak: I'd just either do the mute or +r for now.
[09:48] <rbasak> Mute please
[09:50] <rbasak> Thanks!
[11:22] <tomreyn> eugenio: have you found the non-'live' ubuntu-server installer, yet?
[13:53] <coreycb> jamespage: fyi heat is hitting this for py3.7: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.7/+bug/1784854
[14:05] <jamespage> coreycb: hurrah!
[14:56] <ahasenack> rbasak: hey, got a bug against mysql filed from the iso qa tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/390/builds/177932/testcases/1404/results
[14:56] <ahasenack> rbasak: it was filed because the created users and databases are different now in cosmic: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/r4Ts5RwJj6/ compares the two
[14:57] <ahasenack> rbasak: differences are that the "test" mysql db is gone, replaced by one called "sys", and the created users are different
[14:57] <ahasenack> I think it's ok to update the test to cope with the new output, but wanted to check your opinion
[16:25] <nacc> ahasenack: fyi, i'm wondering about something. https://github.com/apache/httpd/tree/trunk/docs/manual/style/lang is no longer empty (if it was before) and neither is https://github.com/apache/httpd/tree/trunk/docs/manual/style/xsl/util (says some of those files are 16 years old)
[16:25] <nacc> ahasenack: are they due to dfsg?
[16:26] <nacc> oh wait, not dfsg -- so why is the latter empty in the orig/git?
[16:41] <ahasenack> nacc: you mean it's not empty in the upstream tarball?
[16:41] <ahasenack> have to check the upstream tarball for the release we are shipping
[16:44] <SlowJimmy> nacc only a few
[16:44] <SlowJimmy> nacc i have /tmp /home /arbitrary
[16:48] <ahasenack> do do I upload a new debian-installer-udebs?
[16:48] <ahasenack> it's in a different component: main/debian-installer
[16:48] <ahasenack> I need it rebuilt because of the bind9 lib soname bump
[16:48] <ahasenack> it currently has a depends on libdns-export1100-udeb
[16:49] <ahasenack> and the new lib is libdns-export1102-udeb
[16:52] <ahasenack> nacc: upstream tarball:
[16:52] <ahasenack> ubuntu@cosmic-bind9-merge-9114:~$ tar xjf httpd-2.4.33.tar.bz2
[16:52] <ahasenack> ubuntu@cosmic-bind9-merge-9114:~$ find httpd-2.4.33/ -empty
[16:52] <ahasenack> httpd-2.4.33/.deps
[16:52] <ahasenack> httpd-2.4.33/docs/manual/style/xsl/util
[16:52] <ahasenack> httpd-2.4.33/docs/manual/style/lang
[16:52] <RoyK> !pastebin | ahasenack
[16:52] <ahasenack> RoyK: sorry
[17:01] <RoyK> ahasenack: no worries - we all do that sometimes - usually not often, since several channels have bots that kick you or it ;)
[17:35] <ahasenack> rbasak: back yet?
[18:16] <nacc> ahasenack: i meant in the git repository
[18:16] <nacc> so why is it not being tarred up?
[18:16] <ahasenack> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:18] <SlowJimmy> nacc only a few
[18:18] <SlowJimmy> nacc i have /tmp /home /arbitrary
[18:20] <nacc> ahasenack: ack
[18:20] <nacc> SlowJimmy: why are you mounting /tmp as a real fs?
[18:21] <nacc> SlowJimmy: if it's just /home, you can just boot into the recovery, clear out /home (if you want) and set up fstab
[18:21] <nacc> SlowJimmy: I don't know what you have on /arbitrary, but that's not a regular root directory, so doesn't exist yet (mkdir it from the recovery as well, and then set it up in fstabl)
[18:23] <SlowJimmy> nacc: I am mounting a physical tmp to prevent server crashes when it's full
[18:24] <SlowJimmy> nacc:  this home thing you said is brilliant saves me a lot of headaches
[18:24] <SlowJimmy> so basically i wanna have empty folders for my mounts
[18:24] <SlowJimmy> ext for swap of course
[18:27] <nacc> SlowJimmy: yes; you could also leave them as-is, but then you are using disk space that you can't really see (depending on how much you've already used on the system)
[18:27] <nacc> SlowJimmy: and ack on the /tmp then
[18:53] <maret> hi I've installed service on ubuntu server, I've opend the port in ufw but I still can't connect to it from outside  here is output of  netstat locally , ufw status and nmap https://www.pastiebin.com/5b61ff8f32e32
[18:56] <RoyK> maret: well, 9696/tcp only listens on localhost, not the open address - quite probably your problem ;)
[18:56] <whislock> maret: 1. netstat is deprecated, use ss going forward. 2. Your service is bound to localhost, and can't be accessed over the network.
[18:56] <whislock> Sniped!
[18:56] <RoyK> whislock: netstaat still works, though ;)
[18:56] <whislock> So do telegraphs.
[18:56] <whislock> Technology moooooooves.
[18:57] <RoyK> not very well
[18:57] <maret> whislock: RoyK  thanks just realized that. so is this something which is set on the service level or server level?
[18:57] <whislock> maret: Service level.
[18:57] <RoyK> I use ss myself - but then - the old tools sometimes work just as well
[18:57] <whislock> RoyK: It's more and more common that netstat, et al., aren't included by default, so I try to nudge people to use the iproute2 stuff that's definitely going to be present.
[18:57] <RoyK> maret: the service listening on this port, probably has a setting for which ip it should bind to
[18:58] <RoyK> I guess iptables is next out the window :)
[18:58] <RoyK> have they started porting ufw to nftables, or will there be something new again?
[18:58] <whislock> Not sure there.
[18:59] <RoyK> nftables looks good, though - somehow the same jump (or more) than from iptachains to iptables
[19:34] <jdstrand> RoyK: I've long planned to add an nftables backend to ufw. I don't think iptables will be gone any time soon (as much as the netfilter community might like that) since there is so much inertia around iptables
[19:42] <RoyK> jdstrand: agreed - with the ipchains/iptables move, ipchains wasn't compatible with the by the new kernel (was it 2.2?) - with nftables/iptables, compatibility is still in kernel and will probably stay there for some time unless Linus has a fit
[19:43] <whislock> Is there perceived to be a big drawback to iptables?
[19:43] <RoyK> iptables works well
[19:43] <RoyK> and ufw is an iptables wrapper
[19:44] <jdstrand> RoyK: yep
[19:44] <RoyK> it's just that nftables does things better and integrates all of the filtering in one utility, from link layer and up, on all protocol, which is a good idea
[19:45] <jdstrand> yeah. it is cleaner, but iptables is proven in the field (not that nftables isn't, just saying iptables is still very useful)
[19:45] <RoyK> I guess we agree on most of this
[19:46]  * RoyK prints out a small crow
[20:53] <rbasak> ahasenack: back now
[20:53] <ahasenack> rbasak: time for bed! :0
[20:53] <ahasenack> :)
[21:20] <ahasenack> rbasak: can you merge into hints-ubuntu?
[21:21] <ahasenack> (since you are here)
[21:21] <rbasak> No, only for stable releases, sorry.
[21:21] <ahasenack> ok
[21:24] <ahasenack> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndctl/+bug/1781268 since ndctl doesn't exist in bionic, would this sru have to be handled by an archive admin?
[21:24] <ahasenack> or both? First an AA, then an SRU team member? Or the other way around?
[21:25] <ahasenack> it would go under some sort of "hardware enablement" reasoning
[21:25] <rbasak> Best put the HWE justification in the bug description
[21:26] <rbasak> I think it needs both SRU and AA review.
[21:26] <rbasak> I don't think there's clear consensus from TB/release team etc. people as to whether the AAs actually need to review or consider the SRU team's review good enough.
[21:27] <ahasenack> ok, let's cross that bridge when we get to it
[21:27] <rbasak> Someone (I forget who)'s logic was that if it's already been AA reviewed in the development release and there's no reason to consider it different for a backport to a stable release then an AA review isn't need as it's already done.
[21:28] <rbasak> needed
[21:28] <rbasak> Anyway, get it uploaded with all the right paperwork and we'll see what queue it hits first. I'll guess Unapproved and then New :)
[21:32] <ahasenack> deal