[00:00] <Jens> Hmm. I don't remember going though any of that when I set my hostname.
[00:00] <leftyfb> Jens: this is new with 18.04
[00:00] <Jens> That explains it.
[00:00] <yuken> This is 18.04.1 Server to be exact.
[00:00] <leftyfb> yuken: How are you on IRC if you can't use a browser to access websites?
[00:00] <Jens> Still waiting for "do-release-upgrade -c" to return something interesting.
[00:01] <yuken> I have absolutely no clue. IRC was already connected on my bouncer next to me, so it didn't... lose connection? Dunno.
[00:01] <yuken> Websites just started working again, they were inaccessible for the last 10~ mins.
[00:01] <leftyfb> yuken: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[00:01] <yuken> Wasn't DNS, I know that.
[00:02] <yuken> leftyfb, yep, that worked - thanks. I cloned a VM on my ESXi setup and it kept the hostname, so that was annoying and the knowledge I had previously wasn't working.
[00:02] <yuken> Thanks.
[00:03] <Jens> What's the word on 16.04>18.04 upgrades? TFM says "a few days after" 18.04.1 release.
[00:05] <yuken> One more question. How should I enable a program to run on startup as a specific user (not root)?
[00:19] <nuevo> well, tomorrow I will try
[00:29] <xufan> df
[00:37] <de-facto> how can i ramp up the volume in gnome over 100% as in the good old days?
[00:38] <de-facto> is this possible still or another regression by gnome?
[00:39] <tomreyn> maybe someone would be able to answer if you'll specify the ubuntu version you're inquiring about.
[00:40] <de-facto> 18.04 gnome 3.28.2
[00:42] <Tin__man> de-facto, https://askubuntu.com/questions/51156/how-can-i-reach-over-100-volume-with-a-keyboard-shortcut
[00:43] <suttin> is there a way to boot into single user mode with an encrypted hard drive? ubuntu 18.04. I'm trying to troubleshoot having no monitor signal after I unlock my hard drive
[00:43] <tomreyn> de-facto: looks like pavucontrol still enables you to do so.
[00:44] <suttin> or, if you think its just easier to reinstall, I can do that. Only got one steam game installed
[00:45] <tomreyn> suttin: you can boot into recovery mode
[00:45] <suttin> but how? I don't even see grub show up
[00:45] <tomreyn> hold down shift during boot
[00:46] <suttin> i hate everything
[00:46] <suttin> thank you
[00:46] <de-facto> Tin_man, hmm tried that and restarted gnome shell without effect. I did run the cmd on sink 0 (hdmi) and sink 1 (analog)
[00:46] <suttin> oh look at that, grub
[00:47] <suttin> sorry for the dumb question, i skipped over step on of the help article I had up, which states hold shift
[00:47] <tomreyn> no worries ;)
[00:48] <Tin_man> when I ran the pactl set-sink-volume 0 150% --- it about blew my out of my chair, but I couldn't get the pactl set-sink-volume 0 100% to do anything.. not familiar with that command (either one)
[00:48] <de-facto> pavucontrol indeed seems to can do that, so does that mean its another regression in gnome that its not possible with the normal audio controls anymore?
[00:49] <Tin_man> If it is it's one I won't really miss, cause I never messed with the volume beyond the 100% range.
[00:52] <de-facto> i really miss it because some youtube videos are so silent i can barely hear them with 100% volume (e.g. the stanford lectures)
[00:54] <Tin_man> yes, I can relate to that, usually I just give up on the video if that's the case.  I'll test the command when i run across one
[00:54] <tomreyn> you could alternatively download and normalize the video if you care about it that much.
[00:55] <tomreyn> i mean in case that's so
[00:56] <Tin_man> usually not that important, just entertainment for me, take it or I can leave it..
[00:57] <Tin_man> usually 100% will do, but when I do set it, I forget about it till the next video comes on, and blows my eardrums out.
[01:00] <de-facto> well i just liked the way i could easily control it with gnome controls, but oh well if its "cleaner" that way... i guess i have to live with pavucontrol, at least its still possible
[01:01] <Tin_man> i can see where it would come in handy.
[01:05] <Tin_man> I was checking my laptop which is Kubuntu, and it still had the settings in volume control to raise it above 100%.
[01:06] <Tin_man> 18.04
[01:13] <Tin_man> de-facto, I looked in settings on Gnome Ubuntu 18.04, and it has the sound setting above 100% ("Over-Amplification") which is a toggle, just don't show the percentage above 100%
[01:16] <de-facto> Tin_man, where exactly did you find that one?
[01:17] <Tin_man> in settings (Sound)
[01:17] <de-facto> i dont have such a Over-Amplification toggle there
[01:17] <Tin_man> sorry Tweaks
[01:18] <Tin_man> sorry again under settings
[01:19] <Tin_man> go to the wrench & screwdriver icon, and you'll find it.
[01:19] <de-facto> yes thats the first place where i looked for it
[01:19] <de-facto> settigs > sound > output
[01:20] <de-facto> maybe im blind but i dont see such a setting there
[01:20] <Tin_man> it in mine
[01:20] <Tin_man> it's*
[01:21] <de-facto> i have a slider at the top and on/off switch (mute), then a lisit of outputs, balance slider and profile, and test speaker
[01:21] <de-facto> no over amp in there
[01:22] <de-facto> thats weird, its a default install with gnome-session and gtk3.css as default
[01:23] <Tin_man> https://imgur.com/a/M7b8ZR0
[01:23] <RL-179> Icannot start scallion on ubuntu 18.04
[01:27] <de-facto> Tin_man, exactly as mine except there is a border around the upper volume slider with that over amp, which is just not there on my ubuntu 18.04
[01:27] <de-facto> did you install something extra for that?
[01:28] <Tin_man> maybe you have to install gnome tweaks to get the extra settings..
[01:28] <Tin_man> but I've always installed tweaks..
[01:28] <de-facto> i have that too
[01:28] <Tin_man> hmmm, don't know
[01:29] <RL-179> Install GNOME Tweaks for advance settings
[01:29] <de-facto> i did, it means gnome is incomplete for me without it
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[01:30] <Tin_man> don't understand why you would'nt have it.
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[01:31] <Tin_man> well i'm out of here, the kids are playing
[01:40] <de-facto> "Cannot go beyond 100% sound level anymore in GNOME session" i think its gnome-session vs ubuntu-session: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1755982
[01:45] <Laice> Hi guys, having a bit of fun with my first foray into manual creation of an encrypted LVM.  Everything was going well!  Until I added the LVM to the fstab - if anyone has a space second could you take a look at my fstab and see where i've gone wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52SsSP7ww2/ Thanks in advance :)  the encryption itself is working well and decrypting on boot - just looping grub on boot without the lvm commented out of the 
[02:14] <djapo> hello, i accidentally deleted a file created by a sudo apt install chrony
[02:14] <djapo> in the dir /etc/chrony
[02:14] <djapo> i have tried to reinstall and uninstall but the file isn't re created
[02:15] <andrex> see apt purge
[02:16] <djapo> andrex: when i try apt-get install chrony --reinstall at the end i get an error about it not replacing deleted file
[02:17] <djapo> how can i force it to replace it
[02:20] <djapo> ah i see, hmm weird behavior
[02:34] <Riddick> anyone running the lmde 2 (linux mint debian edition)?  I have another PC I thought about putting it on to try it out, but if its a limited version of debian I don't want it.  if it is just a bit better of an interface that gets me into cinnamon I am ok as long as apt works same as debian.  thought i would ask.
[02:34] <Riddick> install interface i meant not that it matters   debian is easy enough
[02:36] <Laice> I tried out lmde a few years back but wasn't a fan of the desktop - might have improved since though.  Interface didn't seem as refined as the other point releases, but I imagine it has a much smaller base of devs
[02:36] <wudo_honour> hi , I am installing a kernel image, but it faild, beacuse always include nividia mod  when use apt install
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[02:37] <wudo_honour> hi , I am installing a kernel image, but it faild, beacuse always include nividia mod  when use apt install
[02:38] <wudo_honour> I do not want the kernel  include  nivida
[02:38] <wudo_honour> so what should i do
[02:39] <CarlFK> wudo_honour: I think you need to apt-get remove nivida (or nivida-something...)
[02:41] <wudo_honour> CarlFK   ok , I have already try this way, but it not work.
[02:41] <CarlFK> wudo_honour: how do you know it is included?
[02:43] <wudo_honour> I install  the linux-image-4.10.0.89-generic , I see the  message , it tell me found the nividia375,ko
[02:44] <wudo_honour> but continue this , the kernel  install would be faild
[02:44] <wudo_honour> so I do not want to include the nividia  mod when installing.
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[02:45] <wudo_honour> so have any idea?
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[02:47] <wudo_honour> CarlFK   I try to use the dkms, too.
[02:50] <CarlFK> wudo_honour:  paste the output   to https://paste.ubuntu.com  of  apt-cache policy nvidia-375
[03:07] <wudo_honour> CarlFK  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SWQNzrhKBX/
[03:07] <wudo_honour> thanks for you help.
[03:09] <CarlFK> wudo_honour:  I wanted you to show me the output of: apt-cache policy nvidia-375
[03:11] <wudo_honour> CarlFK  I am sorry , but can you fix the problem what I show you ?
[03:12] <CarlFK> wudo_honour: maybe.  show me what I asked for.
[03:12] <wudo_honour> ok ,wait for min
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[03:17] <wudo_honour> CarlFK  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RqFmg9DZqD/
[03:17] <kaffien> What causes intermittent flickering when using a 3 screen setup in ubuntu?  I use an AMD Rx580 and 3 monitors the highest resolution being 1080
[03:18] <wudo_honour> you can see  that nothing output.
[03:19] <CarlFK> wudo_honour: you spelled apt-cache policy nvidia-375 wrong ..
[03:20] <CarlFK> you did:  nividia
[03:21] <wudo_honour> CarlFK   I did  do
[03:22] <CarlFK> wudo_honour:  try again: Show me the output of: apt-cache policy nvidia-375
[03:22] <CarlFK> personally, I always cut/paste the command from IRC so I don't type it wrong.
[03:24] <kaffien> it is flicking even the monitors turned off / disabled hrrm.
[03:24] <wudo_honour> CarlFK  hha,I am sorry about that ,just a min
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[03:29] <wudo_honour> CarlFK  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WWkTkZDjh5/
[03:29] <wudo_honour> see that ?
[03:30] <CarlFK> wudo_honour: yes.  Installed: 375.66-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 ... so remove it.  you want it to say: Installed: (none)
[03:31] <kaffien> I've heard alot of back and forth about drivers for AMD in linux.  Which  one is best for playing steam games in ubuntu?
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> kaffien: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[03:33] <kaffien> 18.04
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> kaffien: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> kaffien: note: the 'best' drivers are the ones performing best on your system
[03:34] <kaffien> yep
[03:34] <kaffien> some folks were saying opencl was better?
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> kaffien: see also the #gamingonlinux community, alot of techy gamers there :p
[03:35] <kaffien> kk
[03:40] <bobdobbs> Hi. I'm trying to configure a host-only network within a VM. The guest OS is ubuntu 18.04. I'm trying to hard-set it's IP address.
[03:41] <bobdobbs> I edited the file /etc/network/interfaces with the following lines: 'address 192.168.1.100' , 'netmask 255.255.255.0'
[03:42] <bobdobbs> My expectation is that after reboot, it should have the ip address 192.168.1.100'.
[03:42] <mehhinator> For VirtualBox guest additions, is it preferably to use the ubuntu packages for those, or to use the script from the ISO that the VirtualBox host comes with? (Esp. in regards to updates.)
[03:42] <bobdobbs> However, it it has the address 192.168.56.101
[03:43] <bobdobbs> So, how to I make set the machines IP address?
[03:45] <littlebear> bobdobbs, sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.100/24 dev enp0s25
[03:46] <littlebear> bobdobbs, replace enp0s25 with your interface
[03:46] <bobdobbs> littlebear: thanks.
[03:48] <pcost8300_> Hello there, could you please tell me if scp needs the option ServerAliveInterval to download up to 12gb  of data?
[03:49] <bobdobbs> littlebear: interesting. I get back "cannot find device vboxnet0". vboxnet0 is the name of the "host-only adaptor" given to the vm
[03:49] <bobdobbs> oh wait...
[03:49] <bobdobbs> I should pass in the name of the interface right? I'll try that...
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> pcost8300_: perhaps the #openssh channel might know that one
[03:50] <pcost8300_> lotuspsychje: thank you i'll look out there
[03:51] <bobdobbs> littlebear: got it working now! thanks!
[03:57] <rusty_> any have a problem restoring a backup with deja dup?
[03:58] <rusty_> it says no back ups found but they are there
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[04:22] <mehhinator> What is the best way to have multiple sources for one mount point in fstab? If a certain partition UUID is available, I want to use that, but if it isn't, I want to connect it to a Samba share.
[04:24] <N3X15> I don't think you can without some sort of startup service.
[04:26] <mehhinator> I did see autofs at one point, but that seems to be more oriented to 'if accessed, then try to mount', but all I need is to mount at boot time; whatever is settled on then is good enough for the rest of the kernels runtime.
[05:01] <bilm> anyone familiar with the Dell Latitude hardware ?
[05:02] <coolchris> should i change the beaver wallpaper or keep it cause it represents the version?
[05:06] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[05:08] <silv3r_m00n> i have 1 nic on my pc which is connected to switch and switch is connected to 2 routers each on a different internet, their ips are 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1  i want to create 2 wired connections in network manager specifying the routes. so that i can manually switch between the 2 connections. each connection has dhcp. but i cant find the option to specify the route and the nic automatically connects to 1 of the connections
[05:08] <Geo> Hi "all the sudden" it looks like my DNS isn't working on Ubuntu 16.04... I manage it via CLI, where can I check to see what happened? (it's in a VM, nat'd behind a windows host). Literally, it was mid-session it crapped out. I can ping IPs, but not hostnames
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[05:15] <Vic3> I use X2go to connect to a remote server and view it as though it had a monitor ... it stopped working yesterday after I did updates ... now when I do apt-get upgrade I get the following message ...
[05:15] <Vic3> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:15] <Vic3>   libnx-x11-6 libxcompshad3 linux-generic linux-headers-generic
[05:15] <Vic3>   linux-image-generic nx-x11-common nxagent x2goserver x2goserver-extensions
[05:15] <Vic3>   x2goserver-xsession
[05:16] <Vic3> Any guidance?
[05:20] <Operator-Error> Vic3: try "sudo apt-get install" (those programs)
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[05:21] <Vic3> Ok, 0perator-error ... any idea why that comes up?
[05:21] <Operator-Error> Vic3: sometimes when upgrading programs, and some are "held back" simply reinstalling them works
[05:21] <Operator-Error> Vic3: not sure why, but it happens
[05:22] <Operator-Error> I've had it happen to me a few times
[05:24] <Geo> Hi "all the sudden" it looks like my DNS isn't working on Ubuntu 16.04... I manage it via CLI, where can I check to see what happened? (it's in a VM, nat'd behind a windows host). Literally, it was mid-session it crapped out. I can ping IPs, but not hostnames
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[05:55] <Vic3> 0perator-error ... thank you, worked perfectly! :)
[05:55] <Operator-Error> Vic3: sweet!
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[06:08] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[06:08] <silv3r_m00n> there are 2 gateways on my network, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1, how do i connect via a specific gateway using the nmcli command ?
[06:09] <silv3r_m00n> nmcli con modify wire11 ipv4.gateway "192.168.1.1"  it says   ipv4.gateway: gateway cannot be set if there are no addresses configured
[06:09] <silv3r_m00n> but i dont want to provide ip address since the gateway are dhcp enabled
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[06:37] <jayjo> I have an error no space left on the device, befofe my terminal gets locked out, whats the best way to find a large safe to delete file to clear some space?
[06:43] <muflihin_> ole
[06:46] <mehhinator> jayjo: A very stupid way that I cobbled together just now is like this: ls -lSRh / | grep "[MGT] " | less
[06:46] <mehhinator> It lists all Megabyte+ files anywhere. It is up to you to figure out which are safe to delete.
[06:48] <mehhinator> A smarter method would probably be too limit the search to the exact mountpoint of the trouble partition.
[06:49] <jayjo> is there a way to set the threshold higher? That worked but the disk is at the 8GB mark
[06:52] <Chetic> when is the LTS upgrade (do-release-upgrade) to 18.04 going to be possible?
[06:54] <ducasse> !ltsupgrade | Chetic
[06:54] <ducasse> so, "soon".
[06:54] <Chetic> how does the decision process work?
[06:55] <Chetic> is it decided by a group, a person? on well defined prerequisites or a whim?
[06:56] <ducasse> it is decided by the devs. i'm guessing they want to close certain open bugs first.
[06:56] <Chetic> followed by release 18.04.2 and that being the LTS release?
[06:57] <mehhinator> jayjo: It was a really quick-n-dirty way because I didn't want to mess with find syntax. The best you can do is take out the 'M' from the grep so it only reportrs gigabyte and terabyte files.
[06:57] <ducasse> Chetic: .2 will arrive after 18.10
[06:58] <Chetic> so if there will be no changes to LTS before upgrade is possible, what's the hold-up?
[06:58] <ducasse> Chetic: as i said, closing open bugs
[06:59] <rfm> Chetic, om the pother side, what's the hurry?
[06:59] <ducasse> +1
[07:00] <Chetic> I understand if they are prepared to fix something and then do another release
[07:00] <Chetic> but if not, the wait is artificial
[07:01] <Chetic> I have my reasons for wanting to upgrade now
[07:01] <Chetic> understanding the process can't hurt
[07:01] <ducasse> did you not read what i said? there are open bugs they want to get the fixes for into .1
[07:01] <Chetic> isn't .1 already release?
[07:01] <Chetic> released*
[07:02] <ducasse> yes, but there are bugs that might affect upgrading
[07:03] <Chetic> and in that case they will need to do another release, no?
[07:03] <ducasse> no, aiui .2 will only arrive after 18.10
[07:04] <Chetic> so what do you mean happens if they find bugs affecting upgrading?
[07:05] <ducasse> they are fixed and closed
[07:05] <Chetic> and included in which version?
[07:05] <ducasse> there doesn't need to be a new release for them, as they only affect upgrades
[07:06] <Chetic> surely devs know better than to re-release the same version with different software
[07:07] <ducasse> the fixes will only end up in the repos, no new release yet
[07:08] <ducasse> since the bugs don't affect new installs it's not necessary to get them on a new iso
[07:09] <danieru98> Chetic, one of the bugs on ubuntu 18.04 that seem to affect a fair amount of people including me is a kernel panic on reboot
[07:09] <danieru98> Chetic, but this is a kernel issue that doesn't seem to happen on linux 4.14
[07:10] <danieru98> Chetic, so just update to 18.04 and use linux 4.14 if anything goes wrong
[07:10] <Chetic> good tip thanks
[07:19] <jayjo> this is what I get when i run df -h: is there a way I can share some of this disk space across the volumes? https://bpaste.net/show/052850f97e8a
[07:22] <ducasse> jayjo: you can add a new virtual disk, create a filesystem on it and mount it where you need space
[07:22] <ducasse> just move the old data across
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[08:29] <msev-> it would be super useful if something like kde-connect existed for gnome
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[08:31] <msev-> nevermind found it
[08:39] <jsjolen> I upgraded to 18.04 and my tool bar (File, Edit, etc.) is missing from several programs (most notably Firefox). How can I get these back :-/?
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[08:46] <user_> hi
[08:46] <user_> anyone here?
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[08:48] <user_> anyone here
[08:51] <EriC^^> jsjolen: does it work in another new account you create?
[08:52] <jsjolen> EriC^^: I don't know, I can't try that right now. What I do know however is that the menubar does appear in Emacs for example
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[08:55] <caine> hi
[08:56] <jsjolen> Yup sure seems like it's Firefox only
[08:58] <Deknos> hi, are there any known problems installing ubuntu 18.04.1 in virtualbox on a windows 10 host? i could install 17.10 without problems...
[08:58] <xVbun7u> Hi! Ubuntu is safest OS?
[08:59] <jsjolen> Deknos: HAve you tried installing 18.04?
[09:00] <Deknos> i tried the ubuntu 18.04.1 iso. i can try it with 18.04 iso
[09:00] <jsjolen> Deknos: So what went wrong?
[09:01] <Deknos> it cannot stop after installation, and when i restart the machine it stops at booting
[09:01] <xVbun7u> Burn it or use yumi-usb-boot
[09:02] <Deknos> huh? i downloaded the iso and installed it in a virtualbox guest
[09:03] <xVbun7u> Denkos: take the RAM up to 1G
[09:04] <EriC^^> jsjolen: try another account so you can see if its a user config issue or systemwide
[09:05] <Deknos> xVbun7u, i have 2G..
[09:05] <Deknos> is that not enough?
[09:05] <jsjolen> EriC^^: Yeah, I'll try creating a new account
[09:05] <jsjolen> Good idea, thank you
[09:07] <xVbun7u> deknos, the VM must have not your PC
[09:07] <xVbun7u> :}
[09:07] <Deknos> ?
[09:08] <Minosh-A> Greetings
[09:10] <xVbun7u> Deknos, try set more ram for VM in options
[09:14] <bazhang> Deknos, you have a total of 2gb for the machine, and are already alloting 1gb for the vm?
[09:15] <Deknos> no, my phys machine has 32gb and my virtual has 2gb. i now gave the vm 4gb, lets see if that is better
[09:15] <bazhang> whats in the vm Deknos
[09:16] <eraserpencil_> so I have a 192GB partition for Ubuntu 16. I'd like to shrink it so I could test out Ubuntu 18. Whats the best manner of shrinking?
[09:16] <bazhang> eraserpencil_, either a live cd or a gparted live
[09:17] <bazhang> eraserpencil_, in both instances you cannot modify a running system and need to use the live mode
[09:19] <eraserpencil_> so If I have live cd, I can safely shrink the partition?
[09:19] <bazhang> eraserpencil_, either a ubuntu live or the latter, yes
[09:19] <eraserpencil_> kk
[09:19] <eraserpencil_> thanks
[09:20] <bazhang> welcome
[09:21] <Deknos> bazhang, it is normal configuration with 16g harddisk and 4g ram
[09:21] <bazhang> what os Deknos
[09:21] <Deknos> host os: windows 10, guest os: ubuntu 18.04.1 iso
[09:22] <bazhang> Deknos, so you are asking about a windows vm
[09:23] <bazhang> whats the vm Deknos ? vbox or other
[09:24] <Deknos> virtualbox
[09:25] <bazhang> Deknos, you should ask in the windows channel about using vm with windows host, also #vbox
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[09:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:59] <Guest6293> Hi. How to build my Linux ditstro using docker container ?
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[10:00] <Guest6293> Hi. How to build my Linux ditstro using docker container ?
[10:00] <Guest6293> Hi. How to build my Linux distro using docker container ?
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[10:05] <MGD> Hello World
[10:06] <MGD> Installing Ubuntu on my old Mac Pro as it won’t let me upgrade anymore. What a joke
[10:07] <MGD> Perfectly good hardware
[10:08] <tomreyn> luckily, such restrictions aren't possible with a (mostly) open source Linux distribution.
[10:08] <BluesKaj> apple wants you to buy a new one, MGD
[10:09] <MGD> BluesKaj: not a chance
[10:09] <MGD> The cost is so high compared to when I bought mine
[10:10] <tomreyn> we use this channel for support Q&A only, but you're welcome to discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic (i'm already there and might join)
[10:10] <BluesKaj> lots of people I know owned macs...once
[10:11] <MGD> tomreyn: ok, I’ll head there. Thanks
[10:19] <TJ-> On another 18.04 PC after updates and reboot the default (sudo,adm,etc.) user gets ENOACCESS (permission denied) for accessing group=adm files. Then using "groups" I noticed the terminal shell process is not a member of any groups but $USER. Has anyone else seen this?
[10:21] <stevendale> Hi, I'd like to recommend a feature to the Ubuntu installer maintainers. Using dd to create the swapfile during the install process is very slow and sloppy, utilising fallocate would be much quicker, and convenient!
[10:22] <stevendale> Thank you.
[10:23] <TJ-> stevendale: you should do that in a bug report, which'll be set as "Wishlist"
[10:23] <TimeDoctor> stevendale: this is a support channel, it's extremely unlikely that anyone working on that will see your message, unfortunately
[10:23] <stevendale> It's not much of a difference on super-fast SSDs, but on conventional HDDs, which are still widely used in almost all low to mid range PCs and laptops, dd is significantly slower, and can take several minutes on 5400 RPM drives
[10:23] <stevendale> Where can I make one of those, TJ-?
[10:24] <tomreyn> TJ-: "pastebinit <( groups;lsb_release -ds;cat /var/log/installer/media-info;echo; )" returns this for my VM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YcqkNtpZH8/
[10:24] <TJ-> !bug | stevendale
[10:25] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, that's what I was expecting! It's hit my primary 6-monitor laptop in the study, which is very carefully managed as you probably know.
[10:26] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm outside on the asus t300chi right now, and just prevented it from doing any upgrades until I know what the cause is
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[10:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: I found it because the wifi network wasn't coming up (nmapplet showing spinner constantly) and I tried "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and got Permission Denied. /var, /var/log have o+x, /var/log/syslog is syslog:adm u=rw,g=r
[10:28] <TJ-> tomreyn: but "groups $USER" reports the correct set, so *something* is not assigning group membership to (some) processes launched by my user
[10:28] <BluesKaj> stevendale, better still, why not prepartition your drive before installing including a swap, then just use manual partitioning, install to /and set the mountpoint for /home, if you created one.
[10:29] <TJ-> saeid_sr7: that's really not an Ubuntu support issue - ask the Docker experts
[10:31] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh okay, that's weird. sounds like it could be apparmor issues? did you install 18.04.0 or .1, or an early test build / alüha of .0 or .1?
[10:31] <tomreyn> *alpha
[10:31] <TJ-> tomreyn: here's another one for you! Got a 2nd monitor on this t300chi outisde. Every time I put my sunglasses on the screen goes blank!
[10:32] <TJ-> tomreyn: confused the heck out of me... then realised the monitor screen is horizontally polarised and my shades vertically polarised. Turn my head so ear is on shoulder and I can see! I've had to rotate the external monitor into Portrait orientation to see it!
[10:33] <tomreyn> TJ-: wow, that's exciting indeed, i had never thought this could happen.
[10:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: That's been 18.04 since the beta. I don't think it's apparmor since the shell process doesn't have the same groups as the $USER that launched it.
[10:34] <tomreyn> TJ-: so those are different users also?
[10:34] <TJ-> tomreyn: imagine diagnosing the blank monitor issue in a support call :D
[10:34] <tomreyn> hehe
[10:35] <TJ-> tomreyn: no, the user is the same. Login as normal, open the terminal, which starts a shell. Type "groups" and it only reports "tj" - no list of the additional groups which "groups tj" reports correctly
[10:35] <tomreyn> hmm weird
[10:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, I initially thought "PAM" but that's only at log-in, not process launch, where I think the kernel is responsible for copying those
[10:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: and as there was a kernel upgrade to 4.15.0-29 .... I'm suspecting that. I'll try an older kernel boot later today when I've time
[10:37] <tomreyn> but it's gnome-terminal 3.28.2-1ubuntu1~18.04.1, right? and not wayland?
[10:37] <TJ-> tomreyn: I thought I was being clever bringing the monitor (Dell U2412M) outside because it has a clearly marked 12V DC power socket. Attached it to a car battery that is solar-panel charged but it didn't work... did some searching found out the 12V DC is an *output* for powering things like active speakers, doh!
[10:38] <TJ-> So, all in all, not a great start to the day :)
[10:40] <tomreyn> 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu , built Tue Jul 17 15:39:52 UTC 2018, is what i'm running on this VM.
[10:41] <mipesom> How do I require a password for mounting additinal HDDs?
[10:41] <tomreyn> hehe, i'm not sure 12V would suffice for a large screen
[10:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's IPS no backlight so should be able to cope
[10:42] <tomreyn> mipesom: by removing your user off the 'disk' group, i *think*
[10:42] <tomreyn> TJ-: well, glad you noticed then
[10:43] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's sometimes good to feel dumb :)
[10:44] <mipesom> tomreyn:  That would only affect me.
[10:46] <tomreyn> mipesom: so by removing all relevant users off the 'disk' group. ;)
[10:47] <mipesom> tomreyn: No, but I got the answer in Mint chat. Drives need an entry in /etc/fstab for that. Thx, nevertheless.
[10:49] <tomreyn> mipesom: adding file systems to /etc/fstab prevents users from mounting them without a password? that's actually news to me, too.
[10:51] <eugenio> hello, in the 18.04 server iso installation there is not the option to create the software raid during the partitioning of the disk, is it right or am I wrong?
[10:53] <Stormpie> Is there anyone can help with pointing to solution that will run a command once between two(2) tines, The key requirement is that if the machine is down at the on time, and on later but still within the window it will run it only once
[10:53] <tomreyn> eugenio: use the alternative server installer instead, available by clicking on the link on top of the page where you downloaded yours from
[10:53] <Stormpie> cron, only works if the machine is up at the appropiate time
[10:54] <tomreyn> eugenio: btw. there is also #ubuntu-server
[10:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Stormpie: cron.daily/weekly etc does stuff like that.. records last run time in /var/spool/cron/lastrun, then checks periodically (incl. on boot) if it's time to run it again
[10:55] <TJ-> mipesom: altering existing users would need this (modified to replace "echo" with "sudo" when you're confident in it:   for U in user1 user2 user3 user4; do echo usermod --groups "$(groups $U | sed -e 's/^.*: \(.*\)disk \(.*\)/\1\2/' -e 's/ /,/g')"  $U; done
[10:56] <tomreyn> Stormpie: you can achieve this with either cron @reboot and a lock file or using atd
[10:57] <mipesom> tomreyn: That's one of the possible flags. See Disks application under mount options.
[10:57] <eugenio> tomreyn, I tested the ubuntu server-live installation but it has not the choice for raid partition
[10:59] <eugenio> tomreyn, I have already written in that channel, with only one answer: to check the installation 18.04.1 LTS, which I have already tested with the same problem
[10:59] <TJ-> eugenio: that's not surprising since it's based on ubiquity, the desktop installer
[10:59] <TJ-> eugenio: only the pure debian-installer version is capable
[11:00] <arunkumar413> Hi getting this error on my machine E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). Changed the system name from the details
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[11:01] <eugenio> TJ-, what does it mean? that I cannot configure a sw raid on ubuntu server 18.04 at the moment? Should I shift to debian? or is there a debian-installer for ubuntu server?
[11:02] <TJ-> eugenio: Ubuntu uses debian packages - debian-installer is used by all Debian derived distributions including Ubuntu. It's text-based (ncurses interface)
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[11:04] <Stormpie> tomreyn, atd as at command
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[11:08] <arunkumar413_> Here is the error I'm getting: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pRxC7RtPPg/
[11:08] <arunkumar413_> this happend right after I changed the system name in details app
[11:09] <routermater> Hey guys I have been having a lot of issues with Ubuntu since i installed it. I don't know why but once I log in and start using the computer for some time, my screen completely gets stuck and i have to restart my laptop everytime this happens (and it happens all the time!)
[11:09] <routermater> Can someone help me with this? This is my work laptop and I am not able to be productive at work because of these naunses
[11:11] <sara2010> hi
[11:12] <sara2010> its possible to view web browser history by command line
[11:13] <mipesom> tomreyn: fstab doesn't work, but editing '/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla' and changing the first block to 'ResultActive=auth_admin_keep' does.
[11:14] <sara2010> tomreyn:  ?
[11:14] <mipesom> tomreyn: Didn't have to do that in the past, though.
[11:16] <arunkumar413_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qygbrWMCKv/
[11:17] <routermater> Can someone help me on this?
[11:18] <tomreyn> mipesom: interesting, i never knew where this is configured. uninstalling udisks2 would probably have had the same effect, but yours may be the better approach.
[11:19] <tomreyn> sara2010: this surely depends on the web browser. firefox stores it in sqlite3 databases, IIRC.
[11:19] <tomreyn> routermater: reading...
[11:20] <routermater> tomreyn: Thanks. Im trying to change my graphics drivers to open source drivers to see if It works until then
[11:20] <tomreyn> routermater: which ubuntu release is this, which graphics hardware and drivers?
[11:23] <tomreyn> Stormpie: yes, the 'at' command is used to manage the 'atd' daemon
[11:25] <draget> Ubuntu 18.04 comes with OpenJDK, but without webstart. Which package containy javaws?
[11:28] <routermater> tomreyn: 18.4 LTS
[11:28] <Guest27369> Hi, I have a question about Macbook Air 1.1 A1237> Replaced hard drive because of old had broken sectors. The question is, what does / how do I do
[11:29] <Guest27369>                      The macbook in question can not detect / detect the hard disk? : S
[11:29] <Guest27369> like it does not exist. i did try both diskutil list and fdisk -l
[11:29] <routermater> tomreyn: Heres a screenshot -> https://imgur.com/a/JSDcXHC
[11:30] <tomreyn> draget: here's how you can find out: sudo apt update; sudo apt install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search -x 'javaws$'
[11:31] <tomreyn> routermater: yes, this is a screenshot. i assume it only partially answers the graphics hardware questions, though. do yuo have multiple graphics cards / chipsets?
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[11:32] <routermater> tomreyn: I have an intel graphics card
[11:32] <tomreyn> !register | saeid_sr7
[11:33] <TJ-> routermater: does the entire PC freeze up, requiring a hard button-initiated power off?
[11:33] <tomreyn> routermater: so when you run "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" on a terminal, it returns nothing?
[11:33] <TJ-> routermater: or does the mouse pointer still move even when nothing else responds?
[11:34] <routermater> TJ-: YeahIt freezes
[11:34] <syntaxfree> Hi. I want to make a bootable usb stick that has an Ubuntu OS with persistent storage. So it also knows my WMs, zillions of dotfiles, etc.
[11:34] <routermater> I have to basically restart the PC
[11:34] <syntaxfree> I want to be able to boot and load from VirtualBox or suchlike.
[11:34] <routermater> to be able to get back on track
[11:35] <syntaxfree> There are how-tos online, but all assume I have linux to begin with. I don't; all I have is an ubuntu 16.04 live stick
[11:35] <syntaxfree> *all assume I have WINDOWS to begin with
[11:36] <TJ-> routermater: I'd suspect overheating or some other serious hardware/firmware issue then
[11:36] <ioria> TJ-, possibly found a bug (?) in the manual removal of nvidia-390 ; /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf  it's not reverted   and nouveau remains blaklisted; needed to backup it and run update-initramfs -u
[11:37] <TJ-> ioria: that doesn't sound good. The .prerm/.postrm scripts should be doing that
[11:37] <syntaxfree> besides a lot of webpages are freaking crashing on the stock firefox.
[11:38] <ioria> TJ-,  yeah
[11:39] <ioria> TJ-,  on 18.04 i mean
[11:39] <routermater> tomreyn TJ- One second...
[11:39] <TJ-> routermater: it could be an ACPI issue I suppose. It's worth a try of the acpi_osi workaround. Read this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:40] <TJ-> ioria: seems to be a lot of turmoil with nvidia drivers currently
[11:40] <routermater> TJ- > does the entire PC freeze up, requiring a hard button-initiated power off?, Yes it does
[11:40] <ioria> TJ-,  agree
[11:40] <routermater> TJ-: or does the mouse pointer still move even when nothing else responds? Nope, it doesnt move at all.
[11:41] <TJ-> routermater: try the acpi_osi workaround, it often helps in these kind of situations - the only other possibility is the system overheating (which could happen if system ACPI firmware is misbehaving)
[11:41] <routermater> tomreyn: > so when you run "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" on a terminal, it returns nothing?, Yes it returns "nvidia-driver-390" (I just restarted this laptop to use the open source driver... I have to check if this persists with this driver as well...)
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> ioria: been watching whole week for gtx problems on 390 here check: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752053
[11:42] <ioria> lotuspsychje, let me see it
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> ioria: 2 guys feedback: 1 fix with 390.77 from nvidia website, the other ubuntu graphics ppa 396.45
[11:43] <ioria> lotuspsychje, yep, i remember the first
[11:44] <routermater> tomreyn, TJ-: I've noticed that my laptop is fast when running windows but very slow on linux distributions (I experienced linux being slow even on manjaro xfce...)
[11:44] <TJ-> routermater: that sounds like more evidence in favour of ACPI :)
[11:45] <routermater> tomreyn, TJ-: Yeah it does feel like it, on the other hand, when I log out and basically "close my laptop" and then come back to log in, I get stuck in the login loop
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> ioria: the one from ubuntu repo is 390.48 by default
[11:46] <tomreyn> routermater: okay so this ubuntu 18.04.1 system you have there has two graphics chipsets, intel HD 620 (as part of the KabyLake GT2 generation Core i7-7500U CPU), as well as some kind of nvidia graphics chipset which the nvidia-390 proprietary driver may be compatible with (but using nouveau is also fine)
[11:46] <routermater> yup :3
[11:49] <routermater> tomreyn, TJ-: so Should I go with the ACPI approach? I want to try to check if it works fine with open source drivers first...
[11:49] <ioria> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:50] <qwebirc59955> lotuspsychje: you helped me yesterday with getting wifi setup on my fresh bionic install. I got it setup and figured id share. 'lsusb' gave me a device ID of 0bda:a811 which i cross referenced with ubuntu 18.04. ended up going down the rabbit hole at askubuntu.com to this post https://askubuntu.com/questions/970283/ubuntu-17-10-drivers-not-found-working-properly. this directed me to clone https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au
[11:50] <qwebirc59955>  'make install' and a reboot, wifi is working like a charm.
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> !yay | qwebirc59955
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc59955: could you add this solution to my bug please?
[11:52] <Stormpie> tomreyn, so options are run cron task to run a particular time, but sets a lock file for today. If the system reboots, run the script and look for the lockfile. If lockfile exists, dont run. If it does not exist run it and create the lockfile
[11:52] <cop10> hi
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc59955: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386
[11:52] <Stormpie> tomreyn, or at command but not sure how it would work if system is down
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[11:53] <qwebirc59955> sure thing. do i just post a comment at the bottom?
[11:54] <qwebirc59955> lotuspsychje: sure thing. do i just post a comment at the bottom?
[11:54] <usura_> holas
[11:54] <usura_> que tal
[11:56] <BluesKaj> !es | usura_
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc59955: yes please
[12:03] <qwebirc59955> lotuspsychje: just posted. Hope it helps someone!
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc59955: thank you for taking a bit of your time to add mate!
[12:06] <eugenio> TJ-, could you explain me better?
[12:08] <tomreyn> routermater: the acpi approach wont hurt. i'm not sure it is going to help, but i trust TJ-'s recommendations more than mine, so give it a try, and look into whether the proprietary nvidia drivers were properly removed - see what ioria said above:
 TJ-, possibly found a bug (?) in the manual removal of nvidia-390 ; /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf  it's not reverted   and nouveau remains blaklisted; needed to backup it and run update-initramfs -u
[12:10] <eugenio> TJ-, I think I used the debian-installer, so do you have any other hint?
[12:16] <routermater> tomreyn: Ok.
[12:16] <st6> is there a way to find OEM versions of ubuntu's, i have Lenovo X1 Carbon and it is ubuntu certified but stuff just doesn't work out of the box
[12:19] <leftyfb> st6: there aren't really oem versions of ubuntu, none that are supported here anyway. Your best bet is to pick 1 thing on your laptop that isn't working and work with someone here to get it going. Then move onto the next thing until everything works
[12:19] <st6> palm detection doesn't work
[12:20] <leftyfb> st6: 2nd result on google. You can start here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/931761/how-to-fix-palm-rejection-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[12:20] <st6> i'm using xubuntu, does that matter
[12:20] <st6> ?
[12:23] <st6> i tried the xinput set palm detection method
[12:30] <viewer|32479> does ubuntu not come with VNC server GUI built in?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> viewer|32479: no, and be carefull with vnc as its a security risk
[12:35] <viewer|32479> what should I use for remote desktop then?
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[12:37] <ioria> viewer|32479, don't you have vino installed ?
[12:37] <exarkun_> After letting packages update yesterday, Alt-Left is now bound to some kind of lock-screen operation.  I do not want this.  I looked at keyboard settings and there's nothing there that would explain this (Super-L is the only thing bound to a lock screen kind of operation).  I have no clue what configuration/component is responsible for this new behavior.  Help?
[12:41] <viewer|32479> I will be back in another 10 years when the linux world has solved the great remote desktop mystery
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[12:52] <__raven__> after upgrade 16.04.3->18.04 (xubuntu) wifi is very slow at around 10mbit up and down; iw shows 6mb/s @5ghz. nic is "QCA9377 802.11ac (rev 30)". machine is "acer aspire e5-573" with 4.15.0-29-generic. any help welcome
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: try this perhaps https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033679/qualcomm-atheros-weak-wifi-signal-on-ubuntu-18-04
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: existing bug about it also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1760539
[12:58] <anbraten> How can I set a static ipv6 prefix for a device?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: please add your story to the existing bug= more users affected more chance of solution
[13:01] <__raven__> lotuspsychje: ok thank you
[13:02] <tomreyn> __raven__: did you do an actual speed test, or rely on the speed indicated by the driver / iw only?
[13:02] <mustmodify_> Can someone explain why a deployment tool would execute commands via sh rather than the shell that was initially available? Genuinely curious. And second, can sh so it acts more like bash?
[13:03] <tomreyn> __raven__: so it would be good to add your actual speed test results to the bug report, too, since this needs yet to be clarified there.
[13:03] <TJ-> mustmodify_: so it is predictable
[13:04] <mustmodify_> ok, that's what I assumed. Can I make it predictably more like bash? I have a command that works in bash (kill -SIGUSR2 `cat tmp/pids/puma.pid`) that works in bash but, in sh, says that kill -S isn't an option.
[13:05] <mustmodify_> and those two kills are different, ... which seems odd to me.
[13:05] <TJ-> __raven__: do you know which kernel version 16.04 was on prior to the release upgrade? If it were the HWE then the kernel versions would be almost identical, and that's where the fault would be expected to be caused
[13:05] <mustmodify_> well, what seems odd is that they use different interfaces.
[13:05] <__raven__> tomreyn: artificial speedtest returns around 25/25mbit/s but transfere-results (sshfs) show up ~40m down, ~10m up
[13:06] <tomreyn> mustmodify_: specify the full path to the kill binary, superseding the shell built-in
[13:06] <__raven__> TJ-: not really sorry. i only could say i upgraded about a week ago and i was on the latest upgrade state
[13:06] <TJ-> mustmodify_: as tomreyn says ^^ bash has "kill" as a built-in command, sh doesn't. "/bin/kill" is what sh will call
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: one idea to test, is also a liveusb 18.04 to see if its not the upgrade that corrupts it
[13:07] <TJ-> __raven__: it might be recorded in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ or /var/log/apt/
[13:07] <TJ-> __raven__: lotuspsychje ^^^ idea is a good one as well
[13:07] <TJ-> __raven__: right now if you can narrow down the possibilities that will help tremendously
[13:08] <TJ-> __raven__: testing with the 16.04.4 ISO (yes, .4, not .5) should also help since that has an older kernel version
[13:08] <__raven__> ok thanks. i will look into it and assemble some data for bug report
[13:10] <mustmodify_> So, `which kill` and `sh -c 'which kill'` both result in /bin/kill. But I think I discovered the source of the issue.
[13:11] <mustmodify_> too dumb to explain, but how do you escape ` ?
[13:11] <tomreyn> __raven__: you might also want to point to https://developer.qualcomm.com/forum/qdn-forums/hardware/qca9377/35104 and https://developer.qualcomm.com/hardware/qca9377-x/tools where non-mortals with a qualcomm developer network account may be able to get access to updated firmware.
[13:11] <mustmodify_> just \`?
[13:11] <mustmodify_> I guess I could just try it.
[13:12] <mustmodify_> no, that didn't work.
[13:12] <TJ-> mustmodify_: I also noticed there's "-S" (uppercase S) listed for either bash nor /bin/kill
[13:13] <TJ-> mustmodify_: it's "-s" (lower case)
[13:13] <mustmodify_> Yes, that's true. The actual comamnd I'm passing is -SIGUSR2. But because the ` isn't escaped, there's nothing after it, so I guess kill is ... parsing it differently.
[13:14] <mustmodify_> In the following command, how do I escape the ` ?? sh -c 'cd /home/production/project/current && kill -SIGUSR2 \`cat tmp/pids/puma.pid\`'
[13:14] <TJ-> mustmodify_: but you DO NOT use SIG in the signal name, it's just "kill -KILL ..." not "kill -SIGKILL ..."
[13:14] <mustmodify_> sorry, the \ was my previous attempt but it doesn't work.
[13:14] <mustmodify_> SIGUSR2 is a specific level of kill, which tells puma not to actually die, but to kill it's children.
[13:15] <mustmodify_> (which is a sort of unfortunate kind of command... kill your children... )
[13:15] <TJ-> mustmodify_: oh, it'll parse both now! It never used to
[13:16] <TJ-> mustmodify_: what is your exact command ?
[13:16] <mustmodify_> This works in bash: cd /home/production/project/current && kill -SIGUSR2 `cat tmp/pids/puma.pid`
[13:16] <TJ-> mustmodify_: oh, I see it above... sorry... I'm working in bright sunlight here
[13:17] <mustmodify_> my deploy script wraps it in sh, which is fine except that the `` bit executes BEFORE sh, and it's in the wrong directory.
[13:17] <tomreyn> mustmodify_: pu thte whole thing into single quotes then
[13:18] <TJ-> mustmodify_: here:  sh -c 'cd /home/production/project/current && kill -SIGUSR2 '`cat tmp/pids/puma.pid`
[13:18] <TJ-> mustmodify_: oops, typo, hang on
[13:20] <TJ-> mustmodify_:  sh -c 'cd /home/production/project/current && kill -SIGUSR2 `cat tmp/pids/puma.pid` '
[13:23] <mustmodify_> So wait, putting it in a '' will stop the `` from executing until it's in sh?
[13:23] <mustmodify_> let me test.
[13:23] <mustmodify_> :P
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[13:24] <mustmodify_> Bummer, then that isn't my issue.
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[13:27] <mustmodify_> TJ: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/2158ca833a83b6af06d480754de480e4
[13:28] <mustmodify_> that's it at its most simple. Both sh and non-sh use /bin/kill. And the output of sh -c "type kill" == `type kill`
[13:28] <mustmodify_> but somehow they are different.
[13:30] <Guest27369> anyone here worked with Macbook Air A1237 Macbook Air 1,1?
[13:30] <TJ-> mustmodify_: what does "sh -c 'which kill'  " report?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> !mac | Guest27369 start here
[13:31] <mustmodify_> updated gist
[13:32] <mustmodify_> Interesting. Updated again. " vs '  ... ' also says "you have new mail." probably not relevant but interesting.
[13:32] <TJ-> mustmodify_: what is 'sh' though!? "readlink -e $(which sh)"
[13:33] <TJ-> right so it is dash
[13:34] <TJ-> mustmodify_: is there an "alias" set for kill?
[13:34] <himanshu_> hey
[13:34] <himanshu_> can anybody tel me how to change the time format
[13:35] <TJ-> man dash
[13:35] <himanshu_> in 12 hours format in ubuntu 18.04
[13:36] <himanshu_> please give complete code i am beginner
[13:36] <mustmodify_> TJ: wouldn't `which kill` reveal that?
[13:36] <mustmodify_> Wait, fentanyl addicts? I'm just catching up...
[13:37] <UserUS> himanshu_, Open the Activities overview and start typing Date & Time. Click on Date & Time to open the panel.
[13:37] <UserUS> If you have Automatic Date & Time set to ON, your date and time should update automatically if you have an internet connection. To update your date and time manually, set this to OFF.
[13:37] <UserUS> Click Date & Time, then adjust the time and date. You can change how the hour is displayed by selecting 24-hour or AM/PM for Time Format.
[13:37] <mustmodify_> Is that one of their uh... big audiences?
[13:37] <himanshu_> okay..
[13:37] <TJ-> mustmodify_: how about the bash hash list? maybe it's cached something different for sh? try "hash" and see that it has "/bin/sh"
[13:38] <TJ-> mustmodify_: "which" just searches $PATH for the (first) occurence (or all with -a)
[13:38] <mustmodify_> so how do I check for an alias?
[13:39] <TJ-> mustmodify_: "alias"
[13:39] <mustmodify_> TJ: updated gist with 'hash' command. It does have an 'sh' entry.
[13:40] <himanshu_> hey...anybody has the solution for this .....when the lid get closed airplane mode gets on ,but i dont want this to be happen
[13:40] <mustmodify_> ah, gotcha. No alias for kill... a copule others, but nothing that looks relevant.
[13:41] <TJ-> mustmodify_: right! the message is coming from /bin/dash (I searched its strings for "Illegal option" - doesn't occur in /bin/kill or /bin/bash
[13:41] <TJ-> mustmodify_: but dash man-page doesn't list 'kill' as a built-in
[13:42] <mustmodify_> So, can I change it to 'bash' ?
[13:42] <himanshu_>  hey...anybody has the solution for this .....when the lid get closed airplane mode gets on ,but i dont want this to be happen
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> himanshu_: download gnome-tweak-tool and look into energy options
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[13:43] <lotuspsychje> himanshu_: you can disable hibernate when close lid there
[13:45] <mustmodify_> So, /bin/sh is a symlink to dash... what if I just delete that and create a symlink to bash instead?
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[13:47] <TJ-> mustmodify_: solved it. dash's builtin kill doesn't have the SIG prefix for the names as I said originally, you use "USR2" not "SIGUSR2". I checked in the source-code: ./src/mksignames.c:347:  signal_names[SIGUSR2] = "USR2";
[13:48] <TJ-> mustmodify_: why not just use the signal number if you want this to be portable across different 'kill' implementations?
[13:49] <Nuevo> Hello, How can I copy configuration from new user to old user? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HRDtYXFY2c/
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[13:54] <himanshu_> hey...anybody has the solution for this .....when the lid get closed airplane mode gets on ,but i dont want this to be happen ....except gnome tweak tools ,because htere is no option for this problem
[13:55] <himanshu_> there??
[13:58] <himanshu_> hey...anybody has the solution for this .....when the lid get closed airplane mode gets on ,but i dont want this to be happen ....except gnome tweak tools ,because htere is no option for this problem
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> !patience | himanshu_
[14:01] <himanshu_> so sorry...
[14:01] <TJ-> himanshu_: you mean the device is still active but it disables the radios for Wifi and Bluetooth?
[14:02] <himanshu_> yes exactly...or you can say airplane mode is ON
[14:02] <himanshu_> and now there is no option to turn airplane mode off
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> himanshu_: options show wifi/airplane mode on/off
[14:03] <TJ-> himanshu_: what ubuntu release is it? what is the make/model of the device?
[14:04] <himanshu_> hp pavalion notebook ....ubuntu 18.04
[14:05] <himanshu_> wifi :OFF
[14:05] <himanshu_> Airplane Mode :ON
[14:05] <TJ-> himanshu_: and you're saying Airplane mode gets set to On when you close the lid even when it's set off?
[14:06] <himanshu_> yes exactly
[14:06] <TJ-> himanshu_: is there anything in the power management settings that affects that? maybe when the device is on battery only
[14:06] <himanshu_> no it doesnot depend on this ... battery or plugged in mode
[14:09] <TJ-> himanshu_: see https://askubuntu.com/questions/965595/why-does-airplane-mode-keep-toggling-on-my-hp-laptop-in-ubuntu-18-04#965596
[14:09] <TJ-> himanshu_: reading that suggests to me there is an airplane mode setting in the PC's own firmware setup options you can access at power-on
[14:15] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know how can I integrate the Google calendar in my calendar system?
[14:15] <jar00st> hello, can someone help me with a problem with ubuntu 18.04?
[14:16] <mojtaba> jar00st: What is your problem?
[14:17] <jar00st> i am trying to use the hotspot but it not work, always say error
[14:17] <vultyre> mojtaba, https://askubuntu.com/a/911505
[14:17] <mojtaba> jar00st: You need to be more specific.
[14:17] <mojtaba> vultyre: thanks
[14:20] <jar00st> the ubuntu 18.04 is not working for me, i am using a TP-link TL-WN725N with the driver on https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu but the hotspot still not working, i can use the wireless property but i can create a hotspot network
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[14:22] <leandro_> hi?
[14:23] <leandro_> Some one know a channel php zend 2?
[14:23] <vultyre> jar00st, what is the error message that you are receiving?
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> leandro_: Try ##php
[14:25] <jar00st> the network take too long to rengonize
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[14:26] <vultyre> jar00st, is the error message on the device running 18.04 or the device attempting to connect to the network?
[14:28] <jar00st> i enter to wireless i try to set up the hotspot, the network start to recognize but only take some secconds and the network became disconect and say error to recognize
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> jar00st: That doesn't answer vultyre's question... Where are you seeing the error message? Is the error message displayed on Ubuntu or on the device connecting to Ubuntu?
[14:30] <leo_> yes
[14:31] <jar00st> on ubuntu 16.04 i had the same problem, but i solve it using kde network manage, but now i don't know how to install it on ubuntu 18.04, i see the alert on the top of the display
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> jar00st: Is ubuntu connecting to the hotspot, or are you creating a hotspot with Ubuntu so another device can connect to the Ubuntu machine?
[14:34] <jar00st> i am creating the hotspot that got ubuntu by default using this step https://www.debugpoint.com/2018/05/create-wifi-hotspot-ubuntu-android-support/
[14:36] <someone_> What does that mean ? >> meson.build:40:0: ERROR:  Native dependency 'pciaccess' not found
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> someone_: without any context, the error message is meaningless for anyone to help you
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[14:38] <jar00st> how i can do it by the console? how i can create the hotspot by the console
[14:39] <eugenio> To have a raid1 with two partition (/ and /home) should I create two raid1 (one for / and one for /home)?
[14:41] <hsiktas> is it normal, that xenial still does not show 18.04.1 with 'do-release-upgrade'
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> jar00st: reading the site you posted, it is incomplete. It is possible that your card does not support the correct mode for establishing an ad-hoc network. Or there is a bug in the hotspot code in ubuntu 18.04 right now that is preventing the feature from working. In either case, there is little you will be able to do. Suggestion is to purchase a Wireless AP for your home network, which will be more reliable and
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> far more secure
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> hsiktas: Yes, that is normal
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[14:43] <nemo> So... Ubuntu has had a long-standing issue with an unmaintained and broken package (websvn) that tries to symlink to an old style apache2 folder - it's not a big deal. I fixed it manually
[14:43] <jar00st> well this is for my job, i want free wifi for may phone
[14:43] <nemo> But... I was wondering if there was any way to make dpkg not attempt to continuously run reconfigure
[14:43] <nemo> which just adds noise to every single update
[14:43] <someone_> I'm trying to install intel-gpu-tools and it requires meson and I tried to build meson from the source but I think some thing wrong is happened so that message became appears in every time I try install intel-gpu although I have installed meson from repository.
[14:44] <someone_> "meson.build:40:0: ERROR:  Native dependency 'pciaccess' not found"
[14:44] <leftyfb> someone_: don't install from source
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> jar00st: while that comment makes no sense... this might help: https://askubuntu.com/a/962111
[14:44] <leftyfb> someone_: sudo apt install meson
[14:45] <jar00st> don't worry, thanks for you help
[14:45] <coz_> hey all
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> someone_: Also, this isn't the correct channel for help building software from source. You should reach out to the developer of the source code or their community. They will have better knowledge on how to help you.
[14:45] <leftyfb> or, not build from source when the package is readily availale
[14:46] <leftyfb> someone_: sudo apt install intel-gpu-tools
[14:46] <mustmodify_> TJ: Sorry, I was AFK. I'll try the sig number.
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: is the bug been reported in launchpad?
[14:46] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: yeah
[14:46] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: and proposed fixes from users
[14:47] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: I just don't want to have to repackage and maintain it myself.  it doesn't matter that much. easier to just disable the continual dpkg --configure
[14:47] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: it's a very very very old bug
[14:47] <Nuevo> Hola, How can I copy configuration from new user to old user? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HRDtYXFY2c/
[14:47] <leftyfb> nemo: is there a bug filed for it?
[14:48] <nemo> leftyfb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/websvn/+bug/1313973
[14:48] <nemo> guess I could switch to viewvc - but the package is still technically part of 14.04 ...
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: hopefully it will make it to a future build. I'm not familiar enough with dpkg to know how to blacklist a package from reconfigure
[14:49] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: heh. well the bug was reported 4 years ago ☺  and the comments included fixes
[14:49] <someone_> What I'm asking about is how I can remove meson:40? , Where can I found it ? I have installed meson:43 but intel-gpu-tools can't recognize it, that message became appear after I tried install meson:40 form the source file  .
[14:49] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: so I'm not holding my breath
[14:49] <nemo> mostly wanted to maintain a familiar interface for people
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: I wouldn't either... the websvn project appears to be abandoned
[14:49] <nemo> maybe I'll just remove it from package management and maintain it myself
[14:49] <nemo> maybe ubuntu should blacklist it
[14:50] <nemo> meh. viewvc it is. they'll just have to deal
[14:50] <nemo> eh. I take that back. viewvc is ugly
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: Current trend on the webz is to take a look at Trac
[14:50] <nemo> I'll just install it manually
[14:51] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: yeah. no. corporation uses Atlassian - this was just to have a simple repo view
[14:51] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: trac is an all in one solution for issues, wiki and repo browsing - I'm a fan, but not what I need
[14:51] <nemo> viewvc is a bit too primitive, websvn is a pretty good sweet spot
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> nemo: Doesn't apache have a svn browser module?
[14:51] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: ofc. but that's just for webdav access
[14:52] <nemo> pragmaticenigma: websvn offers, you know, all the trimmings - logs, blame...
[14:52] <mustmodify_> TJ: Just curious, I'm open to using the signal number, but what about replacing dash with bash?
[14:55] <ararar5> hello, any idea how to successfully resize lxc pool (btrfs)?
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[14:58] <someone_> What I'm asking about is how I can remove meson:40? , Where can I found it ? I have installed meson:43 but intel-gpu-tools can't recognize it, that message became appear after I tried install meson:40 form the source file  .
[15:01] <coz_> someone_, how did you install it?
[15:02] <nemo> so. sorry, just to ask one more time. is there any way in ubuntu to prevent ubuntu from rerunning --configure on a package where postinst errored, without removing the package and managing it myself?
[15:02] <nemo> 'cause everything works apart from that annoyance
[15:02] <nemo> (or fixing the broken .deb)
[15:02] <nemo> ooh I have an idea!
[15:03] <nemo> I just need to create the missing directory 😃
[15:03] <nemo> much simpler
[15:03] <someone_> coz_ by downloading the source file then implemented this command <pip3 install meson.>
[15:03] <cavillis> !ltsupgrade
[15:04] <cavillis> ^^ is that going to update when the lts upgrade is available?
[15:04] <cavillis> im dying for it
[15:04] <nemo> hah that did it ☺  ok. n/m.
[15:05] <coz_> someone_,  did you try    pip3 uninstall meson
[15:06] <someone_> no
[15:06] <someone_> let me try
[15:09] <fred1807> I am trying to ssh into another server (with typed password) and I get a buch on errors: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1036251
[15:10] <tomreyn> fred1807: which one runs debian, the server or the client?
[15:10] <fred1807> ubuntu, the client
[15:10] <tomreyn> do you know what the server runs?
[15:10] <tomreyn> actually thats not relevant here
[15:10] <tomreyn> theis is just a bad client configuration
[15:11] <fred1807> the server runs arch, but I am able to login to the server, with this same method, from a macbook
[15:11] <fred1807> this errors happens when I try to login to it from ubuntu
[15:11] <leftyfb> fred1807: do you have any customizations in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config ?
[15:11] <tomreyn> fred1807: you've placed an ssh server configuration file where an ssh client configuration file should be
[15:11] <leftyfb> fred1807: it sounds like you do and they might be incorrect
[15:12] <tomreyn> /etc/ssh/ssh_config - system-wide default for ssh *clients*
[15:12] <tomreyn> /etc/sshd/ssh_config - ssh daemon (*server*) configuration file
[15:13] <tomreyn> /etc/ssh/sshd_config - ssh daemon (*server*) configuration file
[15:13] <fred1807> my ~/.ssh/config is empty, and /etc/ssh/ssh_config has many options, I dont have a clue what could it be wrong with sshd_config
[15:13] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[15:13] <OsakaFoo_> I've updated to ubuntu cosmic, and am having some issues - is it possible to revert back ?
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[15:13] <fred1807> yep ssh_config... not sshd_config..
[15:14] <fred1807> But what could it be with ssh_config?
[15:14] <tomreyn> apparently you or someone else managing this system you are initiating the ssh session from did "cp /etc/ssh/sshd_config /etc/ssh/ssh_config" or similar
[15:14] <leftyfb> OsakaFoo_: no. Cosmic is not released yet and should only be used for development. It's also not supported
[15:14] <fred1807> tomreyn: can I get a vanila ssh_config ?
[15:14] <OsakaFoo_> leftyfb: That's was my assumption too, ah well back to 'man apt'
[15:14] <leftyfb> OsakaFoo_: that isn't going to help you. You'll need to reinstall Ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04
[15:14] <tomreyn> fred1807: you can apt purge ssh && apt install ssh
[15:15] <OsakaFoo_> leftyfb: yeah, but the issue I am having is some nmet dependencies
[15:15] <leftyfb> OsakaFoo_: you are free to come back and get help with an issue once you're running a supported version of ubuntu (not Cosmic)
[15:15] <TJ-> fred1807: "sudo apt install --reinstall openssh-client"
[15:16] <OsakaFoo_> leftyfb: :P thanks
[15:16] <tomreyn> TJ-: this would not purge though, would it?
[15:16] <someone_> coz_ The problem is solved , Thank you.
[15:16] <eugenio_> tomreyn, it is not possible to have 2 partitions on one raid1, I should create 2 raid1 for the 2 partitions, am I right?
[15:16] <TJ-> tomreyn: ahh, no, wouldn't replace the broken ssh_config would it!
[15:17] <fred1807> nice
[15:17] <TJ-> tomreyn: but "apt purge openssh-client" would be best
[15:17] <fred1807> fixed
[15:17] <fred1807> Thank U
[15:17] <tomreyn> welcome fred1807
[15:17] <tomreyn> fred1807: but if this was a system i manage i'd want to find out how this happened in the first place
[15:18] <tomreyn> (so i suggest you do)
[15:19] <tomreyn> TJ-: you had a good point about the package name, i got this wrong
[15:20] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, 'ssh' is only the meta-package so it shouldn't purge -client or -server
[15:20] <Nomad_> Morning.  Anyone have a way to save my kde env's?  I have 2 different settups for my laptop, office and home.  At home I have 1 monitor, higher resolution than the 2 at work.  When I go home from work all my widgets get slammed into the upper left corner of screen 1 ( the laptop LCD, then wehen I get back to work, they're still there on the larger primary external.
[15:20] <Nomad_> That amongst other issues is really annoying
[15:21] <tomreyn> eugenio_: if you're responding to earlier chat, please remind me what we were talking about, it seems to have been a while.
[15:21] <tomreyn> (i lack context)
[15:23] <TJ-> eugenio_: you can have as many partitions as the disk label will support
[15:23] <TJ-> eugenio_: e.g. sda + sdb = md0 > partitions ... or sda1 + sdb1 = md0 > partitions
[15:24] <TJ-> eugenio_: 2nd form is better especially if the PC needs to be able to boot from it even if one failed
[15:26] <eugenio_> tomreyn, i'm installing a fresh ubuntu-server 18.04 and I'm configuring a raid software. I have to disks 4 Tb and I want to have / partition and /home partition in raid1. First question is: should I set 2 raid1 (one for / and one for /home)? if yes I did it but I was not able to set any bootable partition, so I got an error during the installation (busybox-initramfs)
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[15:27] <eugenio_> TJ-, so it means sda1 + sdb1 = md0 (it will be my /) and sda2+sdb2 = md1 (it will be my /home) am I right?
[15:28] <TJ-> eugenio_: is the server UEFI or BIOS firmware?
[15:29] <eugenio_> TJ-, the pc have to boot from the first array md0
[15:29] <eugenio_> TJ-, how can I chack it out?
[15:29] <TJ-> eugenio_: I'd make it so if 1 disk fails the PC can boot from the other
[15:29] <TJ-> eugenio_: the PC's setup menus should tell you, or it's manual
[15:30] <eugenio_> TJ-, sorry not clear the issue on UEFI/BIOS
[15:32] <TJ-> eugenio_: If it is UEFI I'd create sda1,sdb1 as identical EFI System Partitions, then sda2.sdb2 = md0 for /boot/ (~512M), then sda3,sdb3 = md1 > LVM > (LV-rootfs, LV-home) and leave some free space in the VG so you can extend LVs later if they start to run out of space
[15:32] <TJ-> eugenio_: UEFI boots differently to BIOS and requires the boot disk configuring differently
[15:32] <TJ-> eugenio_: so that's what you need to determine first
[15:35] <TJ-> eugenio_: if it's BIOS boot then I'd use GPT disk label and sda1,sdb1 as BIOS Boot Partitions (1MB), sda2,sdb2 = md0  for /boot/ (~512MB), and sda3,sdb3 = md1 for LVM as above
[15:36] <Gegsite> Hi
[15:37] <Gegsite> My 18.04 is now (after update) stuck in 5:4 (1280*1024) and I cant change it
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[15:45] <tykayn> hey folks
[15:46] <tykayn> i am stuck on the login for cryptsetup, my machine changed the keyboard layout
[15:46] <tykayn> how can i set this up in the password screen ?
[15:46] <eugenio_> TJ-, I'm now realising. I have BIOS firmware (i'm installing ubuntu in a blade server)
[15:48] <eugenio_> TJ-, so in my case I shouldn't need to have a boot dedicated partition, isn't it?
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[15:53] <eugenio_> TJ-, I have also an error on the installation of busybox-initramfs during the installation, what is the reason?
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> Nomad_: There really isn't a solution to that problem. It has plagued many people, include our windows friends
[15:59] <Nomad_> ouch
[15:59] <Nomad_> ok, was hoping someone had something
[15:59] <Nomad_> if I had a list of files that could be duplicated I could write something atleast, guess I'll go that way.
[16:05] <Pcost8300> Hello everyone i need some help please
[16:06] <Pcost8300> sorry, i need to run glassfish3 but because we were repairing the installation that got damaged
[16:07] <Pcost8300> we used an old backup folder of glassfish3 installation
[16:07] <Pcost8300> now that i replaced with the new one, it start the old one
[16:07] <Pcost8300> y erased it
[16:07] <Pcost8300> i*
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> Nomad_: KDE doesn't store positional information in the session, I believe that is managed by the widgits themselves. One option would be to create a second user, configure it the same way, for the Home session, and leave the other in your work configuration. Then see what the difference are between the two. Then you might be able to script something out that on login it could swap the configurations around.
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Pcost8300: I think you need to clarify what you are saying, it makes little sense what happend and what you need help with
[16:12] <Pcost8300> sorry
[16:16] <bjag9> Whats the consensus on password managers in ubuntu? Is KeepAss the top dog?
[16:18] <Nuevo> Hello
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> bjag9: This channel is for Support topics only. For Polls and recommendations, please visit the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[16:18] <Nuevo> How Can I activate or desactivate mouse pad with linux command ? (ubuntu 18.04)
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> Nuevo: This should help you out: https://stackoverflow.com/a/50216485
[16:20] <leftyfb> Nuevo:  sudo rmmod hid_multitouch
[16:20] <leftyfb> to disable
[16:20] <leftyfb> Nuevo: sudo modprobe hid_multitouch # to enable
[16:21] <leftyfb> this is only temporary and won't work across reboots
[16:27] <Nuevo> pragmaticenigma and leftyfb   thank you
[16:29] <Nuevo> the pointer does move but the buttons are working, how can disable/enable button mouse pad of my laptop ?
[16:32] <nacc> Nuevo: does not move?
[16:36] <Nuevo> nacc yes, pointer of mouse does move because I ran  the command sudo rmmod hid_multitouch
[16:37] <Nuevo> but the buttons of mouse pad still working
[16:37] <nacc> Nuevo: you are saying "does move" and then "but..."
[16:37] <nacc> Nuevo: do you mean "does not move... but" ?
[16:38] <Nuevo> yes, I need that the buttons are disable too.
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> Nuevo: Your sentence isn't making any sense... Let's focus on one question first: Is the mouse pointer still moving after you run the command "rmmod hid_multitouch"?
[16:41] <Nuevo> No, after I ran command
[16:42] <monkwitdafunk> anyone run ubuntu on chrome book? chrome book is affordable computing
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> monkwitdafunk: for chromebooks you need the crouton way install
[16:44] <monkwitdafunk> whats that?
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> monkwitdafunk: do you have a chromebook, or you want to buy?
[16:45] <oerheks> https://www.servethehome.com/google-chromebook-pixel-running-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver/2/ all explained here
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> tnx oerheks
[16:45] <monkwitdafunk> want to buy
[16:45] <oerheks> but really, even with 32 gb, it is not really a first choise for me
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> Nuevo: Okay, you're previous comments did not clarify that. Second question: The Mouse buttons are still functional when the trackpad is disabled?
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[16:46] <Nuevo> pragmaticenigma yes, sorry for my poor english
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[16:49] <someone_> Hi, I have a big problem , I removed a package and other packages removed automatically with it , and now I don't have firefox. How I can undo the last remove ?
[16:52] <someone_> synaptic has removed too.
[16:52] <Nuevo> pragmaticenigma  In my previous version of linux (16.04) , mouse pad and buttons are working without problem, with key combination Fn+F3 (icon disable/enable mouse pad)
[16:53] <someone_> Is there any way to undo the last change
[16:53] <someone_> ?
[16:55] <oerheks> someone_, and what package was that?
[16:55] <tomreyn> someone_: run a terminal. type "sudo apt install firefox synaptic'. also type 'less /var/log/apt/term.log' to see the recent apt output.
[16:55] <leftyfb> someone_: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:55] <oerheks> reinstalling firefox and synaptic is easy, sudo apt install <package>  <package>
[16:55] <leftyfb> oerheks: I think it's bigger than reinstalling just the 2 packages
[16:56] <leftyfb> oerheks: they were trying to build intel-gpu-tools from source earlier
[16:56] <oerheks> leftyfb, agreed, so lets find out what package did this
[16:58] <someone_> the package was mesa I installed it form ppa repository, I'm using Kubuntu 16.04
[16:58] <leftyfb> someone_: what exactly are you trying to accomplish with all of this?
[16:59] <leftyfb> someone_: it's not a great idea to constantly be building packages from source and installing from ppa's. Especially packages like graphics utils and drivers
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[17:02] <someone_> leftyfb yes, you are right it was not a good idea, but what I was trying to accomplish is make my GPU runing, it is intel HD 4000 and it is not work well, now a lof of package have been removed such as kate and many other
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[17:04] <someone_> I will retry install all package manually.
[17:06] <oerheks> hd4000 is pretty good supported, but it is not a youtube racemonster
[17:08] <ioria> someone_, may i ask  you what ppa did you use  ?
[17:08] <pietrek> Witam wszystkich ;-)
[17:11] <someone_> ioria yes, this is the ppa : https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[17:12] <ioria> someone_, oibaf, yes
[17:35] <phf`> hello, i'm trying to get some gutsy packages, does anybody know of some perpetual/really old package mirror i could use?
[17:36] <leftyfb> :/
[17:37] <leftyfb> phf`: that is from 11 years ago. You are WELL beyond support
[17:38] <phf`> leftyfb: oh shit i didn't realize this was an official canonical support channel, i thought this where hackers be, my bad.
[17:46] <oerheks> phf`, you could do the old-releases trick
[17:46] <oerheks> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[17:46] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[17:49] <TheCowboy> After the latest set of updates after rebooting, when I log in the screen goes black and unresponsive and I can't access the tty screens as well
[17:49] <TheCowboy> Anyone know what the cause of this could be?
[17:50] <phf`> oerheks: ty, this works. i'm trying to triage a protocol change in x11, i'm not running it in production. ubuntu seemed like the easiest to qemu
[17:55] <Accord> hey guys, my machine is having random freezes and I found this in /var/log/kern.log, got any tips for solving this? https://paste.linux.community/view/507595bb
[18:02] <larsser> Hello, Anyone active here?
[18:03] <doop> larsser: just ask your question and i'm sure someone will answer it
[18:07] <TheCowboy> I can login if I use Wayland, but the function keys don't work now
[18:07] <larsser> Okay. I've just installed an Ubuntu Server 16.04.5 and got no network. lshw -C network says my NICs are unclaimed. I've the machine wouldn't boot efter installeing so i've installed Linux Mint first then installed Ubuntu then it booted.
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> TheCowboy: Do they work with X11?
[18:09] <larsser> I've installed the the same Ubuntu Server verison on another machine with the same motherboard with no issues at all.
[18:10] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: when you installed Ubuntu, did you tell the installer to format the entire disk?
[18:11] <larsser> Yes at first when it would not boot. I've reused the partitions the LM installed created but formatted them.
[18:11] <TheCowboy> pragmaticenigma: worked fine in X11, apparently it's an issue with Wayland and found others with the same problem, custom keyboard shortcuts with inconsistent behavior in different programs
[18:11] <larsser> Yes at first when it would not boot. I've reused the partitions the LM installer created but formatted them.
[18:11] <TheCowboy> I haven't really found anything explaining why my system goes black/unresponsive when not using Wayland though
[18:13] <fath0m> hello, how can i uninstall gnome from my ubuntu 18.04?
[18:13] <fath0m> removing ubuntu-desktop and gdm doesn't seem to remove any dependencies and apckages :D
[18:16] <nacc> fath0m: you'd then need to autoremove the rest, possibly
[18:17] <Aleric> Hi - is the new 'stable' already released? How can I upgrade my machine (that is now on xenial)?
[18:18] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Did you get my last message?
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[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: I believe the root of the problem is that during the initial install of Ubuntu server, you might have choosen No for the install GRUB to the MBR. Which would cause the machine not to boot. I would re-run the Ubuntu installer, make sure to select use entire disk, and becareful when you get to the part about the MBR.
[18:21] <Aleric> lol 'irc ad service' ... what a moron
[18:21] <nacc> Aleric: please ignore the spam.
[18:21] <nacc> Aleric: using any of hte regular upgrade tools should work; it may depend on your local mirror
[18:22] <Aleric> just 'apt update; apt upgrade' would work?
[18:22] <nacc> Aleric: no, that's not been the upgrade procedure ever
[18:22] <nacc> Aleric: read the release notes
[18:24] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: I know i answared yes to GRUB. I've reinstalled multiple times and tried to install GRUB to one or the other of the two disks i have in the system. Mabye i've should just disconnct the other disk while installing.
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: Not sure on the configuration, it could be a BIOS setting as well. When reusing a disk for an OS install, without formatting it, configuration files or incompatible binaries can be left behind. I would target your efforts on figuring out why when Ubuntu Server is installed it doesn't boot
[18:26] <CarlFK> starting with a minimal / server install, what do I need to apt-get so I can transfer files over usb connected android phone that is set to "transfer files" (vs share photos and some 3rd protocol)
[18:28] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: As i've stated i've only reusted the parttion layout and formatted the partitions. Anyway i'm in the process of reinstalling with just one disk connected.
[18:28] <CarlFK> larsser: I've not seen your problem, but it sounds like what I bump into now and then: the installer puts grub on one disk, but your machine boots some other disk.  in this case I can sometimes figure it out by telling the bios "this one time, boot this one"
[18:29] <CarlFK> larsser: one disk makes things a little easier :p
[18:29] <rodus> can some one help with a gparted issue? i cant get it to resize a partition on a dual boot sys.
[18:29] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: I've tried the boot selection menu too as i know that :)
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: I'm not seeing anything about mounting Android devices from the CLI. I know it has to be possible. Just unsure what packages would enable it.
[18:30] <larsser> CarlFK: Yearh. It just occoured to me now tough. :S
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: Some android devices expose themselves as a USB drive, others expose only the media features
[18:36] <plasmid> Tried eveyr possible combo in cache search for libnetsnmp.so... what is the package I need so i can run my program?
[18:36] <plasmid> yeti@ubuntu:~/Downloads$ ./DecodePcap
[18:36] <plasmid> ./DecodePcap: error while loading shared libraries: libnetsnmp.so.20: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:36] <plasmid>  
[18:38] <TheCowboy> found someone else having the same exact problem https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/92al5b/first_point_release_of_1804_lts_available_today/e35vgzx/
[18:38] <TheCowboy> It would be nice to switch back as Wayland feels laggy and less responsive
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[18:41] <arooni> when things go screwy on ubuntu 18.04; how can i restart gnome-shell from the command line?  gnome-shell --replace doesnt seem to work
[18:42] <yuken> How should I start a program on boot as a certain user?
[18:45] <maret> hi I've installed service on ubuntu server, I've opend the port in ufw but I still can't connect to it from outside  here is output of  netstat locally , ufw status and nmap https://www.pastiebin.com/5b61ff8f32e32
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[18:48] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Just fyi: The install with just one disk connected worked. I'm gonna try and connect the secondary disk now.
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[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: are these drives connected via SATA to the mainboard? If so, is the primary boot drive on the SATA0 channel?
[18:52] <no_gravity> I really would like to have a terminal with a border around it. Similar to what the C64 looked like. Do you guys think its possible to do that?
[18:53] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: It's a mix (a test/fun machine). The OS drive is on IDE and the data drive is on SATA.
[18:54] <larsser> pragmaticenigma. Both IDE and SATA are on the mainboard.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: sounds like BIOS has a boot order set to select SATA over PATA ports
[18:58] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: It dosen't seem that you have read that the machine boots now without the LM partitoin layout/detour. I'm able to choose the bootdisk based on it's product name and vendor.
[18:58] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: In BIOS
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> I read it, and BIOS is what I'm suggesting to double check
[19:00] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Ok sorry then. It boots automaticlly without me having to choose the boot device.
[19:01] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: So the boot priority must be ok.
[19:02] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Thank you for your advice/help :D
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: Going for Schrödinger BIOS? It's worth a look, potentially that you will forget down the road and find yourself here again trying to troubleshoot. Just a thought
[19:05] <tecterz> \quit
[19:07] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Sorry but i'm nor German and Google / Google translate are not able to tell me what Schrödinger is?
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj-v_XRxszcAhUpxoMKHXU8CWoQFjACegQIChAK&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchr%25C3%25B6dinger%2527s_cat&usg=AOvVaw3X8jlaBuc9gWJ9YZn2sNqY
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> ugh
[19:08] <binaryhermit> https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=yahoo
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> larsser: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat
[19:08] <binaryhermit> err
[19:08]  * binaryhermit is an idiot
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[19:11] <annstrc> hi all I am using mate 1804 trying a local reposit: (synaptic fail because no signature) How to create the 'InRelease' file ? according man apt-secure-> # gpg --clearsign -o InRelease Release but doesn't works
[19:12] <larsser> pragmaticenigma: Thanks. I didn't think the search result was correct but it was. I got it now but it's not a BIOS thing since i have installed the same OS from the same medium on another machine with the same motherboard with both disks connected without any problem. THe only BIOS thing i can think of is settings which it could be ofc.
[19:12] <tomreyn> annstrc: i think InRelease is optional, 'in' standing for incremental, reducing downloads.
[19:13] <tomreyn> annstrc: this is maybe more suited for #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-app-devel, though
[19:16] <annstrc> No InRelease is needed by synaptic or apt-update which fail because the file is not found
[19:17] <annstrc> the other cmd in man -> # gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Release. worked
[19:17] <tomreyn> opps, ok, guess i don't know enough about apt repos.
[19:18] <puxavida> ubuntu 18.04's not letting me install encrypted lvm alongside windows - why?  Standard install works, but no lvm/encryption??
[19:18] <tomreyn> puxavida: there are several "ubuntu 18.04", which one is it?
[19:18] <puxavida> gnome
[19:19] <tomreyn> so x86_64 desktop, i assume.
[19:19] <puxavida> yes - yoga 920
[19:19] <tomreyn> what happens when you try to set up the encryption?
[19:19] <Scotty_Trees> when you play music in Ubuntu 18.04, and you go to the lock screen, does it show the song play/pause menu?
[19:20] <annstrc> Or Is there a way to work with synaptic untrusted repos (18.04 mate i686 but it doesn't mater)
[19:20] <puxavida> already installed without, but going back to see if I can delete the partitions and start over
[19:20] <nacc> annstrc: InRelease is not just a signed Release file. that's what Release.gpg is
[19:20] <puxavida> It's erase disk and it will work, but not alongside
[19:22] <puxavida> I have tried the manual partitoin creation, but after encrypted partition in options, can't tell how to create lvm/ then add /boot, /, home, swap after
[19:23] <TJ-> puxavida: if I recall correctly it's not possible from Ubiquity in manual mode. when I was doing testing I'd start a terminal shell to set that up
[19:23] <tomreyn> annstrc: yes, i think there's some 'tag' you can add to sources.list after 'deb/deb-src' to ignore that this very repository is unsigned.
[19:24] <puxavida> ok thanks
[19:24] <TJ-> puxavida: and then after the install, before reboot, I'd have to chroot into the installed /target/ and add cryptsetup+lvms and update-initramfs
[19:24] <tomreyn> puxavida: i'm just testing this using the 18.04.1 amd64 (x86_64) desktop installer in a vm
[19:24] <puxavida> ok - will work on that
[19:24] <puxavida> TJ-, thx
[19:25] <puxavida> tomreyn, ok
[19:25] <Guest27369> anyone here worked with Macbook Air A1237 Macbook Air 1,1?
[19:25] <TJ-> annstrc: tomreyn "deb [allow-insecure=true] http://...
[19:26] <TJ-> annstrc: annstrc see "man 5 sources.list section "THE DEB AND DEB-SRC TYPES: OPTIONS"
[19:27] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks, that's what i meant
[19:27] <annstrc> yes i tried it but doesn't works too ex: deb [ trusted=no  allow-insecure=yes ] ...
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> Scotty_Trees: Best way to find out is try
[19:27] <TJ-> annstrc: tomreyn this might be more appropriate [allow-downgrade-to-insecure=true]
[19:28] <Scotty_Trees> pragmaticenigma, im burning a live usb to test, but i dunno if that will actually work,
[19:28] <TJ-> annstrc: did you try "[trusted=yes]" ?
[19:29] <Scotty_Trees> live usbs and lock screens are pretty weird since its a live environment, but thats for the suggestions pragmaticenigma..
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> Scotty_Trees: It won't, live sessions auto start a user session, that you "can" log out of, but I don't recall if it will autologin again
[19:29] <TJ-> annstrc: "trusted=no" means it'll never be trusted by apt - the opposite of what you want I think
[19:29] <Scotty_Trees> are you on ubuntu now?
[19:29] <Scotty_Trees> why dont you try it and tell me?
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> Scotty_Trees: Live instances also don't always load all the bells and whistles by default
[19:30] <annstrc> TJ Ok thanks i will try this
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> Scotty_Trees: I run KDE with a different login greeter than what is installed with the regular Ubuntu install
[19:30] <Scotty_Trees> Curses! *throws fists in the air
[19:31] <tomreyn> puxavida: looks like there's no way to setup lvm on top of dmcrypt-luks with manual partitioning
[19:31] <tomreyn> not on the desktop installer, that is
[19:31] <puxavida> ok thx
[19:32] <tomreyn> puxavida: i didnt recreate exactly your situation, though. this was an installer running against an existing ubuntu installation and a data ext4 file system on a separate drive, not a windows installation.
[19:33] <tomreyn> also it's an msdos / mbr partition and classic bios.
[19:34] <tomreyn> TJ-: nice find, downgrade-to-insecure
[19:35] <TheCowboy> anyone know if there will be a fix for the issue with Xorg forcing users to use Wayland? it's bad enough that I might have to uninstall
[19:36] <tomreyn> TheCowboy: i'm not aware of this issue, got a bug # ?
[19:38] <TheCowboy> tomreyn: I see this on launchpad but it mentions 14 not 18.04 in the initial post https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/+bug/1285444
[19:40] <nacc> TheCowboy: are those your comments in the bug?
[19:40] <TheCowboy> no
[19:40] <TheCowboy> would it help if I added anything?
[19:41] <nacc> TheCowboy: no, there's no evidence yet it's the same bug
[19:41] <nacc> generally, given almost a year bewtween comments, i'd assume they are unrelated
[19:41] <TheCowboy> that's what I thought
[19:41] <TheCowboy> should I report a new bug then?
[19:41] <nacc> TheCowboy: did you check your .xsession-errors?
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[19:43] <TheCowboy> nacc: where is that located? if it's usually in the home directory, then it wasn't created
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[19:46] <nacc> TheCowboy: can you describe your symptoms?
[19:46] <tomreyn> TheCowboy: sorry, missed your hilight
[19:46] <TheCowboy> I checked Xsession and it is configured to home
[19:48] <tomreyn> $HOME/.xsession-errors
[19:48] <TheCowboy> nacc: this is after updating a few hours ago, I restarted and when I type the password to login the screen will go black, the system is unresponsive and I can't do anything
[19:48] <TheCowboy> tomreyn: right
[19:49] <nacc> TheCowboy: so it worked until recently? on 18.04?
[19:49] <TheCowboy> yep
[19:49] <TheCowboy> I also had this bug issue before this recent set of updates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1765261
[19:49] <TheCowboy> I don't know if it's related
[19:49] <nacc> TheCowboy: can you get to tty? (ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3/...)
[19:50] <TheCowboy> no tty's, completely unresponsive as far as I can tell
[19:50] <nacc> TheCowboy: then definitely not hte same bug
[19:50] <nacc> TheCowboy: all of those users were able to fix their system from the system itself, afaict
[19:50] <nacc> TheCowboy: and ... you mentioned earlier Wayland?
[19:52] <TheCowboy> if I switch to Wayland and login, then it works, which I could probably tolerate for a week or so until it was fixed but I don't think indefinitely
[19:53] <nacc> TheCowboy: back to the ttys, you tried all of the f-keys?
[19:53] <TheCowboy> yep
[19:54] <nacc> TheCowboy: any special configuration? using nvidia driver, e.g.
[19:56] <TheCowboy> nacc: it's a Thinkpad with nVidia chipset, I think I have not messed around with the graphics drivers on this, I try to avoid that
[19:58] <annstrc> @TJ:tried [ trusted=true ] [ trusted=yes ] [allow-insecure=true] there is no effect answer same errors. I thing synaptic/apt no more support unsigned repo. it worked for whezee/squeze
[19:59] <annstrc> so bye thanks for help!
[20:05] <duane> lol i was gonna say
[20:06] <duane> wrong ch - sry
[20:07] <GunqqerFriithian> So Im about to do a reinstall of (k)ubuntu< I already have $HOME backed up, and I plan on backing up /etc and just a plain text list of my installed packages. Is there anything else I should back up before doing it?
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[20:35] <TheCowboy> I'll be idling on here if anyone wants help figuring out what the bug is or thinks I should file a bug report
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[20:43] <patr0clus> Is there a specific procedure for booting from a USB on an Ubuntu host? Say I want to load up Kali....
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[21:04] <phelix> I have a USB wifi adapter. This is about the 3rd time now that something happens and its like it just deletes and forgets about the driver and it never comes back and I have to do all sorts of crazy things like remove driver re-install etc in order to get it back. This is with the 18.04.1 LTS version
[21:07] <phelix> doing a lsusb I can see the wifi. But its not loading the driver anymore or something
[21:10] <billpo> hello - doesn anyone know how to ping a pc on your LAN?
[21:27] <sergedx> Is there any maximal number of routes that commodity hardware could handle without hurting network performance (100 mbps) too much? I mean, is it a good idea to put millions of /32 routes on a single machine?
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[21:34] <tomreyn> billpo: you get its ip address and run 'ping' (/or ping6, if IPv6) against it
[21:34] <billpo> tomreyn: thanks for response. However the computer is inaccessible and has a firewall blocking ping. How can I verify it is on?
[21:35] <tomreyn> billpo: you go there and see if it yells at you if you kick it
[21:35] <phablet>  
[21:35] <nacc> TheCowboy: sorry, was afk
[21:35] <tomreyn> billpo: if icmp is firewalls, you can't ping.
[21:35] <tomreyn> *firewalled
[21:36] <tomreyn> billpo: what are you trying to do?
[21:36] <nacc> TheCowboy: i've already forgotten context; is this a fresh install of 18.04?
[21:37] <tomreyn> billpo: maybe it has some other service running which you can communicate with. such as ssh, a web server, or whatever.
[21:37] <billpo> tomreyn: I'm trying to confirm if that pc is running. The pc on lan has a firewall blocking traffic.
[21:37] <tomreyn> billpo: do you have some kind of remote management access to it?
[21:38] <tomreyn> or out of band management
[21:38] <billpo> tomreyn: it is blocking all traffic
[21:38] <billpo> could I possibly check via router? I'm no networking expert
[21:38] <tomreyn> billpo: so that's why i'm asking whether you have out of band management
[21:39] <tomreyn> billpo: if it blocks all traffic then it blocks all traffci from everywehre, including from your router. but i can only guess based on what you're telling me.
[21:40] <billpo> tomreyn: it blocks all IP traffic
[21:40] <tomreyn> tomreyn: right, you said so before. ;)
[21:41] <billpo> tomreyn: so in my scenario, it's not possible to verify it is on
[21:42] <tomreyn> billpo: so unless you have a networked KVM or serial console attached to it (and configured), your best best is to stand up, move there, make it physically accessible, connect one of these, or a non-networked variant of it, and recover it.
[21:42] <billpo> tomreyn: I don't want to compromise pc security so want to block all IP traffic, but I still want to check if pc is on remotely - is there a way to do that? Is there something I can do to that computer to maintain security but allow me to confirm if on?
[21:43] <tomreyn> billpo: that's exactly what ping is meant for.
[21:44] <tomreyn> billpo: you could combine this with port knocking if you're very worried. but then... it's you lan...
[21:45] <billpo> I'm not sure what port knocking is - ill google
[21:45] <fysa> billpo: just have a script on the computer that writes to a remote location..
[21:45] <fysa> echo `date` >/tmp/now; scp /tmp/now remote@sys
[21:45] <billpo> fysa: genius
[21:45] <tomreyn> billpo: you could also configure the firewall to not drop but reject packages on one tcp port.
[21:46] <fysa> put it in cron every minute
[21:46] <billpo> that's awesome fysa
[21:46] <tomreyn> a canary
[21:46] <tomreyn> works as long as the automation doesn't fail
[21:46] <fysa> you might be able to use something like duckdns.org also..
[21:46] <fysa> it may track the last time a machine reported its IP
[21:47] <fysa> that would let you do it with a wget easily
[21:47] <fysa> or you can make a remote .php script
[21:47] <fysa> wget http://remote/blah.php?ping=me
[21:47] <billpo> thanks for that
[21:47] <fysa> and then that script checks $_GET['ping'] and writes to local
[21:48] <tomreyn> actually if it gets its ip address assigned via dhcp from your router you could see it's network traffic
[21:48] <tomreyn> on a regular basis
[21:48] <billpo> tomreyn: that's a good option too.
[21:49] <tomreyn> and finally and arp scan may also help
[21:49] <billpo> but it could mislead if it hasn't fetched any data
[21:53] <tomreyn> see if "sudo nmap -Pn -sn IP" or "sudo nmap -Pn LAN-IP_RANGE" works.
[21:59] <tomreyn> billpo: sudo nmap -PR -sn 192.168.0.0/24     # replace 192.168.0.0 by your LAN IP
[22:00] <billpo> thanks again tomreyn - I will test it out. Appreciate your help
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[22:16] <TBotNik> All: on Kubuntu 16.04 LTS on my laptop and X-Win/Plasma is destroyed. The "Start" was changed to "desktop" and then the "task panel" was erased.
[22:16] <TBotNik> I need to backup the launcher apps definitions file, then purge KDE desktop and then restore, but do not know which file contains the launcher apps.
[22:16] <TBotNik> When I google this all I get is info on how to add apps to the launcher, not which file contains the launcher app definitions.
[22:16] <TBotNik> Please help!
[22:29] <someone_> TBotNik there is a solution, you can try it but maybe it does not solve your problem but try it , First, restart the computer then choose >> "advanced options" then choose >> "recovery mod" >> then choose dpkg and let it fixes packges and dependices for you , if it shows some packages need download  then you need to internet connection to download the packages .
[22:32] <nacc> someone_: none of what you said seems relevant to TBotNik's support question.
[22:32] <nacc> someone_: and dpkg does not download packages.
[22:32] <someone_> yes it is if there was dependices problem
[22:33] <aschildbach> Hi everyone, when will the LTS 16.04 > LTS 18.04 be enabled?
[22:33] <nacc> someone_: no, read what they asked for again.
[22:33] <aschildbach> ...upgrade...
[22:34] <someone_> nacc I have tried it and it solved a similar problem to me .
[22:34] <nacc> TBotNik: is it not .local/share/applicaions ?
[22:34] <nacc> *applications, sorry
[22:34] <nacc> someone_: you wanted to save the list of launcher apps and used recovery mode and dpkg to do that?
[22:35] <nacc> TBotNik: ah for kde it might be under ~/.kide ?
[22:35] <nacc> bah, ~/.kde*
[22:36] <someone_> nacc he siad " X-Win/Plasma is destroyed" so maybe he removed or install new packages caused the problem.
[22:36] <nacc> look for something like "Launcher" in possible subdirectories, TBotNik
[22:36] <someone_> *he removed packages or installed new packages caused the problem.
[22:37] <nacc> TBotNik: apparently, in kde5 it might be under ~/.config
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[22:38] <someone_> nacc I have a strange problem
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[22:39] <nacc> someone_: no need to tell me, just indicate your ubuntu support topic in the channel
[22:40] <MonikerX> Hello, world.
[22:40] <puxavida> fyi, adwaita dark them makes browser input fields dark - can see the text
[22:40] <TBotNik> someone_ & nacc: If I backup the launcher app file, then run "apt-get purge kde-desktop", reboot, open shell, run "apt-get install kde-desktop" then restore my launcher apps file, I should be good theoretically! Right?
[22:40] <puxavida> can't see
[22:41] <nacc> TBotNik: you may need to purge more than just the metapackage
[22:41] <nacc> TBotNik: I do not know, personally, if that would be sufficient
[22:41] <TBotNik> nacc: Looking in .local! Was not in .kde
[22:43] <someone_> TBotNik you said " X-Win/Plasma is destroyed" is that happened after installing or removing packages ?
[22:43] <otherRick> Hi, which kernel version has ubuntu 18.04 by default?
[22:43] <someone_> otherRick google it.
[22:43] <nacc> !google | someone_
[22:43] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic bionic | otherRick
[22:44] <otherRick> Thanks
[22:44] <ca-on-adam> Nowadays I Duck it :)
[22:44] <TBotNik> nacc: Actually It appears I need to zip the entire /.local dir!
[22:45] <nacc> TBotNik: why not just create a dummy user and verify that it is what you expect for them?
[22:45] <nacc> if it is, then you don't need to reinstall any packages
[22:46] <TBotNik> someone_: No I did nothing! 16.04 is the biggest pile of crap ever!  90% of the stuff that is suppose to work does not!
[22:47] <nacc> TBotNik: ... to be clear, that's FUD. Most users do not have the problems you are indicating.
[22:48] <someone_> TBotNik Kubuntu 16.04 it works with me fine, I use it every day for two years. anyway  if you tried all solutions and they do not work then try my solution .
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[22:51] <someone_> TBotNik tell me if you finished your question because I want start ask my questions .
[22:51] <someone_> *questions
[22:51] <nacc> someone_: that's not how the channel works. Just ask.
[22:52] <someone_> ok
[22:52] <someone_> I have a strange problem, I have installed mesa and some other libraries from oibaf ppa, after that the old problem of intel GPU return again which is increase the CPU heat when I play youtube videos, this problem solved by intel graphics tool but this tool does not work anymore becuase I have to uninstall the new libraries that I have installed from oibaf, The problem is I can't uninstall those libraries if I did a lot of packages will
[22:52] <someone_> removed such plasma-desktop, kate, firfox, xorg, and many other.
[22:52] <someone_> so What is the solution?
[22:52] <nacc> someone_: using PPAs is a "at your own risk" choice
[22:53] <someone_> I did not know .
[22:53] <nacc> then you didn't read the PPA messages
[22:53] <nacc> !ppa
[22:53] <nacc> and typically every PPA will say a similar disclosure
[22:55] <someone_> Now how I can remove oibaf packages without remove half my system?, Plasma Desktop and many other KDE applications + Firefox + xorg all will removed when I try remove oibaf mesa .
[22:56] <nacc> !ppa-purge | someone_
[22:57] <someone_> nacc Thank you I will try it .
[23:01] <someone_> sudo: ppa-purge: command not found
[23:05] <Kanye> hi
[23:05] <Kanye> I need help
[23:05] <Kanye> I recently installed unbuntu on a old Computer
[23:05] <Kanye>  I need help because it wont boot!
[23:06] <Phosie> Kanye, Fancy giving us some more detail than "it won't boot"
[23:06] <Phosie> ?
[23:07] <Kanye> I installed it form a flash drive with Multiboot somthing
[23:08] <Kanye> I mean this app from pendrive linux
[23:08] <Kanye> But without the hardrive
[23:09] <Kanye> the freaze screen doesnt happen
[23:09] <Kanye> Phosie u there?
[23:09] <someone_> Kanye you have to explain more what version and ,, etc
[23:10] <Kanye> Linux server. live build
[23:10] <Kanye> Its an old single core intel system that i bought from a thrift store.
[23:11] <Kanye> It has 2 512 sticks of ddr
[23:11] <Kanye> I dont even know what cpu its running
[23:11] <Kanye> I asumed its 32 bit
[23:12] <Kanye> But maybe i could had installed a 64 bit version?? or somthing idk
[23:12] <Kanye> Their way once my parrents come back with a flash drive i hope to take the old hardrive formatt it
[23:13] <Kanye> But does anyone know a build of unbuntu /linux that is safe for a such an old system?
[23:13] <someone_> Kanye let us understand this, you have installed ubuntu server which vesrion 16.04 or 18.04 or what and Is it 64 or 32 ?, second you have installed it on flash memory or you want boot to install it ?
[23:16] <Kanye> Hange in there
[23:16] <someone_>  Did you find a system on that computer and try it? maybe the computer does not work .
[23:18] <Kanye> linux 18.04 I had installed it on the main hardrive, the computer had windows vista before i nuked the hardrive and installed linux, i think it was linux 64 bit as that could be a good reason why it did not work,
[23:19] <Kanye> My father is going to buy me a flash drive so i can try again. but i want some good pointers on Unbuntu flavors that will work for a old PC like this.
[23:22] <Kanye> and i want to boot into install
[23:22] <someone_> there are many reasons why it didn't work, maybe 64 bit not one of it, I think you have to check MD5 or Sha1 of the ubuntu iso file .
[23:23] <Kanye> okkk
[23:23] <Kanye> I might just plug the ubnuntu hardrive into my computer to see if the OS is installed at all
[23:23] <Kanye> Is is possible to pre install and os to a hardrive?
[23:24] <Kanye> Like i can insert the HHD from the old PC and install unbuntu on the hardrive using my computer
[23:24] <Kanye> From this OS?
[23:24] <someone_> you know what is sha1 and you know how to check it,  right ?
[23:24] <Kanye> No
[23:24] <Kanye> That PC was supposed to be my first linux mashine
[23:25] <someone_> Have you used linux before ?
[23:25] <Kanye> Nope I just wanted to run it install ftp and just copy and paste my server files and then run the server
[23:25] <Kanye> Thats it :/
[23:25] <Kanye> Sorry for being a total noob
[23:27] <someone_> Kanye I think first , you have watch some videos about how download , burn , boot and install linux disruptions, and try start with ubuntu desktop .
[23:27] <Kanye> butt I know how to burn and instll linux.
[23:27] <Kanye> I should be the same as anyother OS
[23:27] <someone_> * distributions
[23:27] <Kanye> Take rufus
[23:27] <Kanye> take iso
[23:27] <Kanye> Burn it to flash drive
[23:28] <Kanye> Spam F2
[23:28] <Kanye> Boot from flash drive
[23:28] <Kanye> profit
[23:28] <Kanye> Or is linux diferent?
[23:29] <someone_> Kanye some issues are not easy especially for windows user, I think you have to start step by step then you can figure out where is the problem
[23:29] <Kanye> Ok?
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[23:30] <someone_> start install ubuntu desktop and watch video learn you how to do that step by step.
[23:30] <someone_> Kanye start install ubuntu desktop and watch video learn you how to do that step by step.
[23:30] <Kanye> Il try it but wont that effect the preformance of the gameserver i am running?
[23:31] <Kanye> Also this system has no dedicated graphics
[23:31] <Kanye> and it has 1 Gig of ram.
[23:31] <someone_> Where is channel operator ? operator you have to kick those bots they are very annoying.
[23:32] <someone_> Kanye gameserver?
[23:32] <Kanye> Yes I Trying to use if for a Game server.
[23:32] <Kanye> Minecraft.
[23:32] <Kanye> I know pls dont cringe
[23:33] <Kanye> I was going to setup a GMOD server after i was done with this one
[23:34] <someone_> Kanye look, if you want use linux, you have to be patient and learn it step by step otherwise many problems will face you and you will not able to solve any of them.
[23:34] <Kanye> say ok
[23:34] <Kanye> Will i be able? to run game servers from linux desktop?
[23:35] <someone_> yes
[23:35] <someone_> if you installed the required packages
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[23:35] <Kanye> ok! well i guess i will learn linux desktop
[23:37] <arvin_> sup ye
[23:39] <someone_> Kanye Actually they are the same kernel, there is no big difference between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server the main difference in the default installed packages, if you installed ubuntu server packages on ubuntu desktop then it will became server .
[23:39] <TBotNik> nacc: Hey did all that and nothing changed. Trying again tomorrow!  Cheers!
[23:40] <Kanye> How does one do that? at the install menu when you are installing unbuntu?
[23:41] <someone_> Kanye No after you installation you can open the package management and install the packages you want.
[23:41] <someone_> * after the installation.
[23:42] <someone_> TBotNik try my solution.
[23:45] <someone_> Kanye now download ubuntu desktop and watch video how you can burn and install it, Ubuntu desktop come with graphical user interface which is easier in installation then ubuntu server interface.
[23:45] <Kanye> :)
[23:47] <someone_> try it maybe it work with you, and ubuntu server did not work because you do not know how to deal with it .
[23:49] <Kanye> I wasnt able to boot into it period
[23:49] <Kanye> After the install the computer just stays
[23:49] <Kanye> With the little intel logo
[23:50] <Kanye> Dont worry
[23:50] <Kanye> Il try wiping the HHD
[23:50] <Kanye> If that will work :/
[23:50] <Kanye> Il do what you said
[23:51] <Kanye> Il comeback once i have complete your instructions
[23:52] <someone_> just download ubuntu desktop and learn how to burn it on flash memory and the options of boot and how to install it , I think this problem will disappear.
[23:52] <pap> Hey guys, any of you wanna share some thoughts on Ubuntu server in comparison to the desktop
[23:54] <someone_> watch this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJjEzek2e6I
[23:54] <Kanye> ur the best
[23:54] <Kanye> :3
[23:54] <Kanye> Il see if it works
[23:54] <someone_> pap watch this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJjEzek2e6I
[23:55] <adrian_1908> pap: any particular plans you have in mind? I server installation would usually be used when you just want the bare minimum, without a graphical interface.
[23:55] <adrian_1908> s/I server/A server
[23:56] <pap> Not really interested in watching videos on technical stuff, I am more inclined to exchange ideas
[23:57] <someone_> pap I thought you want to know the differences between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server, that video may help you if you want the diffreances .
[23:58] <smacktalk> having trouble getting my dvd drive to mount
[23:58] <Kanye> also someone Can you? send me a video?
[23:58] <Kanye> just saying?
[23:59] <someone_> about what ?
[23:59] <Kanye> Like installing unbuntu from start to finsh
[23:59] <adrian_1908> well i'm afk, if you have a question 'pap', you should ask it. there's also #ubuntu-server for questions related to that.
[23:59] <Kanye> From downloading in chrome to booting into the os
[23:59] <Phosie> I'm sure you're capable of looking up a video yourself ?