| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:04 |
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| lotuspsychje | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/669/wobbly-windows/ | 05:59 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:59 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-unity-desktop | 07:19 |
| ubot5 | ubuntu-unity-desktop (source: ubuntu-unity-meta): The Ubuntu Unity desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 8 kB (Only available for amd64; arm64; armhf; i386; ppc64el) | 07:19 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: ^ | 07:19 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 10:16 |
| ducasse | hi BluesKaj - all well today? | 10:49 |
| BluesKaj | hey ducasse , yeah fine here, and you? | 10:50 |
| ducasse | i'm ok, just come home from shopping groceries | 10:51 |
| ducasse | raining a bit, although not much | 10:52 |
| BluesKaj | it's dry as a bone here, no rain for almost 3 weeks | 10:55 |
| BluesKaj | or very little | 10:55 |
| BluesKaj | damn uefi, users ar still having trouble , even with auto installs on clean hdd-disks | 10:58 |
| ducasse | we've had a little bit, but not enough to make a real impact | 10:58 |
| ducasse | uefi has never given me any problems, but i think i'm lucky enough to have a fairly good implementation | 10:59 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, had no trouble on my laptop, but I used legacy on the desktop ..still boots very fast less then 10secs from post page to desktop | 11:00 |
| BluesKaj | counting the login | 11:01 |
| BluesKaj | to me uefi is useless since I don't use windows anywhere | 11:02 |
| ducasse | it's nice if you boot more than one distro on one machine | 11:03 |
| BluesKaj | my laptop had problems without uefi so i finally succumbed and followed a very well written tutorial to install Kubuntu using gpt/eufi | 11:04 |
| BluesKaj | what's the advantage over legacy with 2 distros on one pc? | 11:05 |
| ducasse | i just think it's handled in a nicer way, each distro gets a subdir on the efi partition | 11:09 |
| TJ- | And other OSes don't stamp on the bootloader, so it plays nicely with Windows etc | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | no more windows on my machines | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | !info roxterm cosmic | 11:22 |
| ubot5 | Package roxterm does not exist in cosmic | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: me neither, ubuntu everywhere here | 11:23 |
| ducasse | !info roxterm xenial | 11:24 |
| ubot5 | roxterm (source: roxterm): Multi-tabbed GTK+/VTE terminal emulator - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.2-1 (xenial), package size 123 kB, installed size 409 kB | 11:24 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | I have 3 Kubuntu machines and one RPI3 with Raspbian | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | little gap | 11:25 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: ^^ that was when it was last in the repos | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | cool ducasse | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: what purpose has your pi? | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | basically a toy at first , then I thought of it as an alternative pc in case my other/older pc died, but then my son gave me a new MSIZ370 board with 15cpu and 16GB Ram m so now the RPI3 is basically idle | 11:28 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 11:29 |
| BluesKaj | so it's just a toy again | 11:29 |
| BluesKaj | guess I could use it as a Kodi box, but I have Kodi on 2 other machines already | 11:33 |
| tomreyn | looks like the community wiki's CSS got broken? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration | 11:34 |
| tomreyn | main page now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki | 11:34 |
| lotuspsychje | !register | 11:35 |
| ubot5 | For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. | 11:35 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: forward it to the ops plz | 11:35 |
| tomreyn | main page on jan 2 http://web.archive.org/web/20180103071122/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki | 11:35 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: which ones? | 11:35 |
| tomreyn | ircops seems like the wrong place to report it | 11:36 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: thanks for the bug updates; the reproducer is a pain. I was up until 4am working on it last night. Feeling very frazzled right now :) | 11:36 |
| tomreyn | guess i'll report the broken css to #canonical-sysadmin although community stuff isn't really their domain. | 11:37 |
| lotuspsychje | or perhaps wiki team | 11:37 |
| tomreyn | TJ-: i read over it, was worrying about your sanity ;) | 11:37 |
| TJ- | LOL yeah, it's a weird one...they named the function well though ..._racy_ ... I'm thinking there's a timing issue somewhere | 11:38 |
| tomreyn | not really, but you seem to do a good (maybe too good?) job on focussing on issues | 11:38 |
| tomreyn | i can be the same if i really want to work something out. | 11:39 |
| TJ- | But I still am annoyed there's no explanation why Ubuntu is still using a 2012 release of polkit and backporting rather than keeping with upstream! Doesn't make sense, and I bet that is where the issue is | 11:39 |
| tomreyn | yes this strikes me as wrong, too | 11:39 |
| TJ- | I read through all the commits on upstream and there's been some major changes. | 11:39 |
| TJ- | so you'd have to know about all of those, and their implications, in backporting. Canonical has never been great at that kind of thing either | 11:40 |
| TJ- | For those wondering what we're talking about: possible regression due to a CVE patch backport in Policykit. Bug #1784964 | 11:41 |
| ubot5 | bug 1784964 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "Regression due to CVE-2018-1116 (processes not inheriting user ID or groups )" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1784964 | 11:41 |
| tomreyn | debian also got 0.105 everywhere excpet in experimental | 11:42 |
| TJ- | right, and Ubuntu syncs from debian then backports! What a mess | 11:42 |
| tomreyn | i guess this can be why, see its all their fault!!11 ;-) | 11:42 |
| TJ- | I wonder if there's anything in the mailing lists as to why | 11:42 |
| tomreyn | you'll be all frazzled tomorrow morning. | 11:43 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 11:43 |
| TJ- | I'm trying to have a day off today! Been hard at programming since last Saturday. Crash-course in Ruby/Vagrant to hack vagrant-mutate to fix bugs before I can move on with another project! | 11:44 |
| tomreyn | Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're spending this much effort on it, i guess it can and will affect many users. | 11:51 |
| TJ- | I don't like bugs that can pop up like this at inconvenient moments. That usually then happens at the worst possible time. Like me yesterday - only fired up this PC to access some devices only it has the credentials for... should take 5 minutes... 3 hours later still trying to figure out why I can't read logs :) | 11:53 |
| BluesKaj | that bot attack just resumed on #ubuntu | 11:53 |
| lotuspsychje | its all over BluesKaj freenode all channels, other networks | 12:01 |
| guiverc | couldn't they make the channel +r (at least for a few days), it worked well on the few channels I 'live' in | 12:07 |
| TJ- | most of the Ubuntu channels were +r yesterday | 12:07 |
| TJ- | where's hggdh when needed!? :) | 12:07 |
| lotuspsychje | what a bad timing for .1 | 12:08 |
| TJ- | It's a great way to collect lists of compromised IP addresses that should be blacklisted though :) | 12:08 |
| guiverc | yeah, was looking back & was done to this channel ... unit193 did it on some channels... | 12:09 |
| lotuspsychje | this botnet is surely an insider, one of his bots name in #gnome this morning was 'bazhang7' | 12:09 |
| TJ- | nah, that's just the way it is generating nicknames from those it sees | 12:09 |
| TJ- | what gets me is the text is generally the same, the servers themselves could k-line any client that sends that text without sending the text onto the network | 12:10 |
| guiverc | TJ-, i agree; that's the way I'd stop it (until I worked out a smarter way..); though maybe some coder is testing a better fix (just hasn't got it working yet.... | 12:11 |
| TJ- | they must be slower than me learning Ruby then :p | 12:12 |
| TJ- | I've deployed complex lambdas but got no idea how they achieve what they do :D | 12:12 |
| TJ- | all because Ruby doesn't have the concept of static local variables in methods | 12:13 |
| guiverc | :) | 12:14 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: so, we have another victim... using KDE | 12:30 |
| hggdh | most of the namespace is under +r; some channels decide for themselves, some other we enforce | 13:01 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 14:05 |
| BluesKaj | Hi pauljw | 14:06 |
| pauljw | morning BluesKaj | 14:06 |
| BluesKaj | praying for rain here | 14:07 |
| daftykins | been a while since the last? | 14:07 |
| pauljw | :( sorry about that, we've been luck here and have had plenty. | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | right | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | almost 3 weeks since | 14:08 |
| pauljw | ouch | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | bush is tinder dry ....forest fires all over our region ..not real close to us, but the potential is there | 14:10 |
| daftykins | that's pretty scary | 14:10 |
| BluesKaj | 20 min t-storms don't do much except start new fires if the lightning strikes | 14:11 |
| pauljw | that's not good. | 14:12 |
| pauljw | i joke about hating mowing the yard, but would much rather have to cut twice a week than to have worry about it catching fire... | 14:13 |
| BluesKaj | a major hwy might be closed if the fire nearby gets much closer than 3 miles....the smoke is already causing visibility problems | 14:14 |
| BluesKaj | hope my daughter can get through tomorrow on that hwy without having to do a detour | 14:19 |
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| tomreyn | TJ-: i see, so it's definitely not gnome / gtk related, good to have this ruled out. | 16:52 |
| TJ- | it's a weird one for sure. obviously related to login procedures. I think it's something to do with systemd session management - something like a lightdm session doesn't associate UID correctly with the user-slice, but console login does. That'd explain why the order of console terminal vs GUI terminal makes a difference | 16:55 |
| TJ- | i also noticed libpam-kwallet* were updated, and I see lightdm/kwallet error messages in syslog. So far I've not thought of a way that would cause the symptom though | 16:57 |
| tomreyn | TJ-: does screen locking work for you on the affected system, though? | 16:58 |
| TJ- | I believe so, but not tried it. I'll test. | 16:58 |
| tomreyn | my other issues are chromium-browser taking forever to load and the system not shutting down properly becuse session manager fails to shut down my users' session | 16:58 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: Yes | 16:59 |
| tomreyn | okay so i guess i do have another issue on 16.04 | 16:59 |
| tomreyn | an additional issue | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: im idling in #gnome they just have +cnt, spambots all day | 16:59 |
| TJ- | do you see "lightdm: pam_kwallet5(lightdm:session): pam_kwallet5: Impossible to write walletKey to walletPipe" in auth.log ? | 17:01 |
| tomreyn | TJ-: plenty, but it's a couple hours ago now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rz5PMY4648/ | 17:05 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: right, so just like 16.04 where it used to complain that pam_kwallet.so not found all the time :) | 17:07 |
| tomreyn | TJ-: this IS 16.04 | 17:08 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: is that a liveISO instance? I notice mine shows "pam_kwallet5: final socket path: /run/user/1000/kwallet5.socket" <--- note the path diff | 17:08 |
| tomreyn | i dont have an affected 18.04 system at this time. | 17:09 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: ahhh, 16.04 possibly used /tmp instead. Can't recall seeing that on 16.04 before upgrade though | 17:09 |
| tomreyn | ~/.xsession-errors contains this line: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PAM_KWALLET_LOGIN=/tmp/kwallet_user1.socket | 17:10 |
| tomreyn | and this docket exists. | 17:10 |
| tomreyn | *socket | 17:10 |
| TJ- | oh, thanks for making me look! I found something suspicious but launchpad won't accept comments right now. | 17:21 |
| TJ- | Just noticed in $HOME/.xsession-errors the following: | 17:21 |
| TJ- | (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:4029): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 15:04:54.498: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files | 17:21 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: yes indeed, but it seems the bots are learning, and (for the moment) not getting in channels where they found +r | 17:23 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: since +r is rather restrictive, we would like to take it out as soon as possible, We can set it on again if needed | 17:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | Suddenly the support question about Hiri makes total sense where it came from | 17:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | posted yesterday: https://itsfoss.com/hiri-email-review/ | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | i got those in syslog, TJ | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | but i think those have always been all over the place | 17:28 |
| nacc | 16.04.5 released | 17:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | yay! | 17:41 |
| nacc | pragmaticenigma: oh goodness, good luck | 17:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | nacc: It's a ... if it's more than a keyboard mapping issue... I'm going to tell them to backup what they can, wipe the machine and start over | 18:01 |
| nacc | pragmaticenigma: i'm super confused by their symptoms. Are they logged in now? How do they know their password doesn't work, etc? | 18:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think they're local system is set to autologin to GUI, which allows them access right now. I honestly have a feeling they just forgot they changed their password | 18:06 |
| nacc | right | 18:12 |
| nacc | could easily be | 18:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | I wish them the best | 18:19 |
| tomreyn | https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=153323015508428&w=2 | 18:46 |
| * hggdh wonders how bad Red Hat is doing with a 3.6 kernel officially supported on RH 6.9 | 21:39 | |
| nacc | heh | 21:39 |
| nacc | they have some good kernel engineers ;) | 21:39 |
| hggdh | oh, but it is outdated! | 21:40 |
| nacc | i have no idea how they deal with spectre/meltdown, if they do | 21:40 |
| hggdh | :-) | 21:40 |
| nacc | heh | 21:40 |
| hggdh | they probably backported somehow. Given the size of the kernel teams there, I would not be really surprised | 21:41 |
| nacc | yeah, I'm just not even sure how you'd backport some of those changes | 21:41 |
| nacc | they were hard enough to move back a few ubuntu versions | 21:41 |
| hggdh | I know. But there must have been a LOT of pressure on the kernel team there to Do Something. | 21:42 |
| nacc | yeah, absolutely | 21:42 |
| nacc | their customers would have happily paid for it | 21:43 |
| hggdh | oh, I am sorry, just checked at one of the servers. RH 6.9 running with kernel 2.6 | 21:44 |
| nacc | even better! :) | 21:45 |
| hggdh | :-) | 21:45 |
| daftykins | my my, making old android phones look current ;D | 22:04 |
| mwsb | daftykins: arch is the best thing for serious devops | 22:07 |
| daftykins | you know it! :) | 22:07 |
| mwsb | Lol | 22:07 |
| daftykins | second to a gentoo stage 1 install of course | 22:08 |
| daftykins | if that was their term for the compile-everything one | 22:08 |
| mwsb | But you don't understand all the flaws | 22:08 |
| daftykins | that's true, i must only use something where i know the true extent of broken-ness | 22:09 |
| mwsb | Lol | 22:09 |
| daftykins | for the other guys - we had someone arguing that arch should be used on production servers because it's the only distro you can install 'minimal' - and then it's the most stable because they know all if its' flaws | 22:09 |
| daftykins | xD | 22:10 |
| daftykins | mwsb: i'm imagining zipper running servers as being a dude spinning plates on sticks now :D | 22:14 |
| daftykins | "it is ok, because we know all the problems, 1) the plate could crack 2) gravity" | 22:15 |
| mwsb | Lol | 22:16 |
| ducasse | \o daftykins - picked up your bike? | 22:24 |
| daftykins | sure did - and am very disappointed | 22:24 |
| toto_ | hi | 22:47 |
| daftykins | lo | 22:48 |
| toto_ | i have just finish ubuntu 18 installation on my computer | 22:49 |
| toto_ | and it works perfectly | 22:49 |
| toto_ | so happy | 22:49 |
| toto_ | ;-) | 22:49 |
| Bashing-om | !yay | toto_ | 22:52 |
| ubot5 | toto_: Glad you made it! :-) | 22:52 |
| toto_ | i'm discovering it and i like everything for the moment | 22:54 |
| toto_ | because usually i install debian or fedora | 22:54 |
| toto_ | i'm french and you? | 22:56 |
| Bashing-om | toto_: Arkansas ridge runner . | 22:57 |
| toto_ | nick toto_fr | 23:00 |
| === toto_ is now known as toto_fr | ||
| tomreyn | here's a current flash utility for insyde bioses on (amongst other) linux (/Linux/x64/x64/H2OFFT-Lx64): http://download.udoo.org/files/UDOO_X86/UEFI_update/UDOOX86_B02-UEFI_Update_rel104.zip | 23:01 |
| tomreyn | most acer's require this. | 23:01 |
| Bashing-om | tomreyn: Noteing :) .. acer. what a pain . | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | source: https://www.udoo.org/forum/threads/updating-fw.7729/ https://github.com/malaire/misc/tree/master/udoo-x86 | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | it's for udoo's new x86 gear | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | but the firmware writer is generic | 23:03 |
| tomreyn | https://www.insyde.com/products/developertools | 23:04 |
| tomreyn | also worth a bookmark https://firmwaresecurity.com/tag/insyde-software/ | 23:04 |
| toto_fr | exit | 23:05 |
| Bashing-om | tomreyn: Yup - 'nother good one :) | 23:06 |
| tomreyn | apparently the proper pronounciation of UEFI and SCPI are the hot topics in insyde firmware development these days | 23:06 |
| tomreyn | and yes, acer is the pain | 23:06 |
| daftykins | surely acer do windows utilities :) | 23:07 |
| Bashing-om | tomreyn: Wifey runs her graphic station on an Acer machine ( Win10) .. I dread if and when she wants ubuntu back . | 23:08 |
| tomreyn | :) | 23:08 |
| * tomreyn crosses fingers | 23:09 | |
| daftykins | 10 wfm ^_^ | 23:10 |
| nacc | tomreyn: in case it's relevant, IntelCore is in my /ignore | 23:51 |
| tomreyn | :) i guess they should be on mine, too | 23:51 |
| tomreyn | thanks | 23:51 |
| daftykins | indeed all Core and Core 2 systems should be ignored now too ;) | 23:52 |
| nacc | daftykins: that was my initial thought months ago when they first started asking non-ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, as well :) | 23:54 |
| nacc | daftykins: also, no one who is actually associated with Intel would put it in their nick | 23:54 |
| tomreyn | maybe intel pentium N4000, too | 23:54 |
| tomreyn | just trying to give them a last reasonable chance before i decide to /ignore | 23:58 |
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