[02:50] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks!
[05:08] <donofrio> any hope of workaround for my wifi (http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z5wnJm8swm/) issues, it keeps dropping the nic - http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6K5d8nkxHM/
[05:09] <donofrio> seems like this was solved years ago.....https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2237066&page=3 
[05:09] <donofrio> granted that was 2.x kernel but what I can I do today to make this stable....cannot use this for work if it's unable to connect to wifi
[06:19] <knome> donofrio, please keep the support questions on #xubuntu 
[10:39] <Spass> still see this bug on current cosmic - mouse wheel doesn't work on "Appearance" style and icon lists, but only when I open it within the xfce4-settings-manager
[10:39] <Spass> it works when I open xfce4-appearance-settings directly
[10:44] <Spass> but I assume it's a known issue? no need to report it anywhere?
[10:49] <knome> does it only happen in cosmic or in bionic too?
[10:52] <Spass> knome, only cosmic, maybe something related to the new xfce4-settings?
[10:52] <knome> maybe
[10:52] <knome> bluesabre, ping-a-ling
[11:23] <bluesabre> There's a bug reported for it. It's a bug in gtk. Need to file an upstream bug for it.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Affects plug and socket windows.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Gtk 3 specifically
[11:43] <knome> bluesabre, oh, and this would have been the right channel for the discussion :D
[11:44] <knome> i mean ideally, we'd let everybody in the team with a blog poot their articles to our twitter feed
[11:44] <knome> their *xubuntu-related articles*
[11:44] <knome> that might be one of the interesting points - does plugins support that kind of filtering
[11:56] <TJ-> We may have a problem with policykit and/or logind that only affects Xubuntu, due to a recent policykit CVE backport. This is just a heads up so more eyeballs are aware. Bug #1784964
[11:56] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi, Unit193: but 1784964
[11:56] <knome> bug too
[11:56] <knome> TJ-, thanks!
[16:29] <knome> Spass, i thought about you saying you don't have the skills to contribute... there's at least one thing where you would be able to help and might be motivated in as well based on the tasks you've accomplished before: the press links on the website; we try to list all reviews and whatnot that happen in the blogs, vlogs and beyond, but we've been terrible at it for the last few releases...
[16:30] <knome> (and don't get me wrong, i don't think this relatively brainless task is the pinnacle of what you can achieve :P)
[17:37] <Spass> knome, sounds like a task I could help with a little, yeah
[17:41] <knome> hmmh, i think we should reconsider the perm policy anyway...
[17:44] <knome> Unit193, i need your help later today.
[17:45] <Unit193> knome: It'll have to be much, much later.  Sorry.
[17:45] <knome> no hurry.
[17:45] <knome> i guess i could figure this out even without your help with the staging site.
[17:45] <knome> good idea, that.
[17:45]  * knome pats himself on the back
[17:48] <knome> ehmm.
[17:49] <knome> right.
[17:50] <knome> ohhh my.
[17:50] <knome> :P
[17:50] <knome> well done
[17:50] <knome> sigh
[17:51] <knome> there.
[18:21] <knome> OH
[18:21]  * knome facepalms hard
[18:22] <knome> helps if you edit the non-local copy of the file if you want to try modifications lice
[19:45] <knome> ok, sent an ad-nauseam-length mail to the devel list...
[19:47] <Spass> suggestion for 18.10: adding "Find / Search" icon to the Toolbar on Atril as a default (and possibly some more icons)
[19:48] <knome> Spass, guess what i'm proposing this for? d:
[19:49]  * Spass reads that mail carefully
[19:50] <flocculant> knome: so xubuntu-website is much like xubuntu-qa then :)
[19:51] <knome> flocculant, practically, yes
[19:51] <knome> except that ~xubuntu-website has meaningful code branches in LP
[19:51] <knome> ...but those aren't related to content managing
[19:51] <flocculant> you hope
[19:52] <knome> well, there's that one branch that has our website theme that is used by the canonical IS whenever we require code deployment... :P
[19:52] <flocculant> :)
[19:52] <knome> so i would argue it's at least technically meaningful...
[19:52] <flocculant> ha ha 
[19:53] <knome> whether it's socially as well is a different thing and not a case for me to judge :P
[19:53] <flocculant> so effectively no-one actually needs to be in -website if they are in -team?
[19:53] <knome> yes
[19:53] <flocculant> ha ha 
[19:54] <flocculant> so it would actually be better for people in -team to drop -website
[19:54] <flocculant> then we know that people in -website would be the people in a sub-team
[19:54] <knome> unless they contribute to the website code or strongly feel like they are part of that team
[19:54] <flocculant> mmm
[19:54] <knome> or manage website bugs ...
[19:55] <flocculant> that said we're not such an enormous team people don't know who's who :p
[19:55] <knome> sure
[19:55] <knome> and really, if somebody feels like they want to be in the website team... who am i to tell they don't belong there?
[19:56] <knome> just as much as -artwork or -qa
[19:56] <flocculant> yea for sure agree there
[19:56] <flocculant> yup
[19:56] <knome> -devel is slightly different because it actually gives people some cow powers
[19:56] <knome> ok, -website too but...
[19:56] <flocculant> yea - agree
[19:56] <knome> we do have that gatekeeper on production deployment too
[19:57] <knome> eg. canonical IS won't let anybody request pulls -- i've ran into that wall previously as well :P
[19:57] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[19:57] <knome> (even when officially the website lead...)
[19:57] <knome> actually that wasn't code deployment but some DNS issues
[19:57] <knome> but i'm sure they do some checks :P
[19:58] <flocculant> interminably
[19:58] <flocculant> on everything
[19:58] <knome> ;)
[19:58] <flocculant> then say no
[19:58] <knome> when you're able to open the floodgates though - then it's been yes quickly
[19:59] <flocculant> I'll not reply to thread as I've no issue
[19:59] <knome> :)
[19:59] <flocculant> I assume you'll own the new team with -council
[19:59] <knome> i would say council owns, -website admins
[20:00] <knome> actually
[20:00] <knome> that'd be wrong
[20:00] <knome> council owns, -website admin admins
[20:00] <knome> i mean... administrators of ~xubuntu-website should also be administrators ~xubuntu-website-admin
[20:01] <flocculant> and -w-admin owns -website 
[20:01] <flocculant> that makes sense
[20:01] <knome> otherwise getting -website membership would mean you could theoretically give yourself admin rights, which is not desired
[20:01] <flocculant> kind of 
[20:01] <knome> nah, -council owns everything
[20:01] <flocculant> because in that scenario, -qa should own -testers
[20:02] <knome> let's make one big bottleneck in case there's a trainwreck
[20:02] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:02] <knome> because then at least new people are able to get ahold of things quickly
[20:02] <knome> btw, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers says http://
[20:03] <flocculant> no it doesn't ...
[20:03] <knome> so says -qa
[20:03] <knome> ... :P
[20:03] <knome> website *clearly* doesn't!
[20:03] <knome> hmm.
[20:04] <knome> the artwork team description clearly is up-to-date too
[20:04] <knome> links to wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork :P
[20:04] <knome> ...which is an empty page in a very slow-loading wiki
[20:05] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:05] <flocculant> very 'arty' :D
[20:05] <knome> yep
[20:05] <knome> absolutely, especially if you add an f
[20:06] <flocculant> lol
[20:06] <Spass> "(f)arts" will always remind me the Mad Men series, they had that on the door in the office
[20:07] <Spass> sorry, that should go to -offtopic
[20:08] <knome> Spass, still reading the mail? (i acknowledge it's long but...)
[20:08] <flocculant> knome had -verbose on
[20:08] <flocculant> as usual :D
[20:08] <knome> i mean
[20:09] <knome> it was hard to communicate all of the details of that with a shorter mail
[20:09] <knome> the other option would have been "i'm changing this, nag now or never"
[20:09] <flocculant> of course - obviously only joking
[20:09] <Spass> heh, no, read it already
[20:09] <flocculant> a bit
[20:09] <knome> then it would have been obviously flocculant on the mailing list with all kinds of questions about freedoms he's about to lose
[20:09] <knome> ;)
[20:10] <flocculant> well hardly as I own all the things at the moment :p
[20:10] <knome> though owning doesn't mean you get the membership benefits
[20:10] <flocculant> it does if I add myself lol
[20:10] <knome> sure :P
[20:10] <knome> but not directly
[20:10] <flocculant> :)
[20:10] <knome> which is fancy
[20:10] <knome> (not ironic)
[20:12] <Spass> like I said before, I have some time to spare lately and I'd like to help where I can, for example with little testing / qa etc., so I could help with some articles / editing too I guess :)
[20:12] <knome> Spass, so the question is... do you see where this proposal is leading us? ;)
[20:12] <knome> this is primarily for the press links -- editors can add those from the admin -- but sure, all kinds of other help is welcome as well :)
[20:12] <Spass> unfortunately full-blown article is above my skills (my English is not so good), but adding some info to the existing articles is fine for me, I think
[20:13] <knome> that's why we give editor(esque) rights for the -team so many eyes can go through stuff
[20:14] <flocculant> Spass: that's no issue at all, we just add ponglish to the finglish
[20:14] <Spass> :D
[20:14] <knome> yes
[20:14] <flocculant> I often read things through - especially when knome asks
[20:14] <knome> yes
[20:14] <Spass> generally - globish
[20:15] <knome> because he knows my english isn't the most fluent either
[20:15] <knome> at least so far i haven't had to explain what i'm trying to communicate with something... :P
[20:15] <flocculant> nope - never had that :)
[20:16] <flocculant> and your english's are going to be a whole lot better than my Finn or Polish :)
[20:16] <knome> well, that must've been a lie - the devil is in the details and small nuances..
[20:19] <knome> also since you are maintaining the polish site, it might be useful to consider if some of the information there would be important/useful for the main site as well
[20:20] <knome> and maybe - just maybe - we will get translations for the main site at some point as well
[20:21] <Spass> ok cool, I'll keep that in mind
[20:22] <flocculant> right - a'wandering I go :)
[20:27] <knome> a youtube video awaits me...
[21:48] <ochosi> knome: good proposal for the web
[22:19]  * knome bows
[22:38] <ochosi> just started with some basic theming in greybird for xfwm4 4.13 to get it in shape if we decide to include it or provide it somehow during cosmic
[22:38] <ochosi> it's not that hard but i'm afraid it will require patching xfwm4 a little
[22:39] <ochosi> at least as far as i can tell
[23:00] <knome> uhuh
[23:02] <Spass> I was playing with new Xfwm a bit on 18.10 and my xfce4-settings crashed - https://ibb.co/ffJ3gK
[23:03] <Spass> and I've noticed a problem with window elements disappearing from the options panel when I change the order of them
[23:04] <Spass> if that issue isn't known already I can elaborate / record my desktop to show that
[23:08] <ochosi> Spass: reporting an upstream bug is always a good idea
[23:09] <ochosi> not sure whether this is particularly known
[23:09] <Spass> ochosi, ok will do that tomorrow
[23:16] <Spass> apport kicked in, so - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1785143
[23:16] <Spass> hmm, it's private
[23:18] <Spass> (changed to public)
[23:20] <Spass> not sure if that's normal, but I got a lot of "...is drawn without a current allocation. This should not happen." messages in the XsessionErrors.txt