[02:12] <Laney> morning
[02:13] <Laney> jbicha: ah, how do you imagine us using that?
[02:14] <duflu> Morning Laney
[02:14] <Laney> ahoy there duflu
[02:19] <jbicha> Laney: it needs a LP account and I wouldn't want that LP account to be able to be used to upload to Ubuntu directly so I'm not sure if we'll be able to use the feature :|
[02:20] <Laney> jbicha: indeed, but I'm wondering what we could use it for anyway
[02:22] <jbicha> it would be nice to get the pristine-tar and upstream/* branches from Debian mirrored automatically to LP for the packages we maintain in LP
[02:23] <Laney> those might not always be in sync with debian if we package an upstream release first
[02:23] <Laney> although I have in the back of my head an idea for a script to automatically commit all upstream releases to upstream/ and pristine-tar on the salsa branches
[02:24] <Laney> then we could have those in sync all the time
[02:26]  * Laney syncs glib2.0 \o/
[02:27] <Laney> I'm glad Simon did that one, there were a few tedious problems along the way
[02:43] <Laney> here goes Shell
[02:45]  * Laney crosses fingers
[03:04] <jbicha> Laney: did you see the msg in #ubuntu-release that budgie-desktop will need work for the mutter transition?
[03:25] <Laney> nope
[03:25] <Laney> I thought I saw one in here
[03:36] <Laney> oh right
[06:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:11] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey
[06:12] <ricotz> oSoMoN, where are the libreoffice 6.0.6 tarballs coming from?
[06:12] <ricotz> (the git tag wasn)
[06:12] <ricotz> (the git tag wasn't bumped in debian/rules)
[06:15] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz
[06:16] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I might have forgotten to commit the change to debian/rules
[06:16] <oSoMoN> lemme fix that
[06:16] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok, the tarball content looks fine
[06:16] <oSoMoN> yeah, I have the change locally so the tarballs are built from the right tag
[06:18] <oSoMoN> fixed, thanks for catching this
[06:19] <ricotz> thanks
[08:44] <seb128> hey again desktopers
[08:45] <seb128> being late online but I'm coworking with some GNOME people today :)
[08:53] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:53] <Trevinho> Cool seb128...
[08:53] <Trevinho> Who's there? Hans and?
[09:04] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:04] <seb128> Trevinho, hans & garnacho
[09:07] <Trevinho> Ah... Say them all Hi!
[09:07] <Trevinho> seb128: ^
[09:07] <seb128> k :)
[09:20] <ogra> does anyone know where the ttf-ubuntu-font-family content moved ?
[09:52] <jibel> ogra, ttf-ubuntu-fonts-family has been renamed to fonts-ubuntu in bionic or your talking about another releasE?
[09:52] <seb128> ogra, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-ubuntu
[09:52] <ogra> jibel, no, bionic ... it finally found out myself though :)
[09:52] <ogra> thanks !
[09:52] <ogra> (the french to the rescue !)
[09:52] <ogra> :)
[09:56] <seb128> andyrock, I got a livepatch notification, seems the fix landed and is working :)
[09:56] <seb128> or maybe I had the chmod local hack, I don't remember now :/
[09:57] <andyrock> seb128: \o/
[09:57] <andyrock> seb128: still in edge
[09:57] <seb128> right, but seems to be working at least :)
[09:58] <seb128> they should move it to stable
[09:58] <andyrock> seb128: I tested the edge channel yeasterday and reported back to them that it's working
[10:01] <Laney> hey seb128 Trevinho oSoMoN andyrock ogra
[10:02]  * ogra waves to Laney 
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, ni hao
[10:02] <seb128> still having fun at debconf?
[10:03] <Laney> yep
[10:03] <Laney> just been planning some things with doko
[10:03] <Laney> 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈
[10:05] <seb128> sounds scary :p
[10:06] <Laney> correct reaction
[10:06] <Laney> how's the eu?
[10:07] <Laney> f-ing dbus-test-runner is broken https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3342/cosmic.html
[10:08] <seb128> :(
[10:08] <seb128> eu is nice and warm but not humid!
[10:08] <Trevinho> Not warm down here... Just lovely :)
[10:09] <Trevinho> I wouldn't ever expected to have better weather in Andalucia que anywhere else.
[10:09] <Trevinho> like 28°, not humid a bit of wind but not too much...
[10:09] <Laney> 🌬
[10:16] <duflu> Morning Trevinho, seb128, andyrock, jibel, oSoMoN, all
[10:16] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[10:16] <duflu> I was a bit deep in code today to say hello
[10:16] <seb128> what are you hacking on?
[10:16] <duflu> seb128, going well and now it's Friday night. I should log off soon
[10:17] <duflu> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/189
[10:21] <oSoMoN> hey all
[10:22] <oSoMoN> 36.2°C and climbing, it's gonna be a hot day
[10:25] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, how are you?
[10:28] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I'm good, how are you?
[10:34] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, just want to nudge you about those freshplayerplugin binaries...
[10:34] <seb128> oSoMoN, very good, coworking with some GNOME guys today
[10:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, let me have a look to that now
[10:34] <oSoMoN> nice
[10:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[10:42] <seb128> GunnarHj, done, let's see
[10:47] <doko> seb128: now that you're aware of update_excuses, component:mismatches and ftbfs, do you know what to do about emacs? ;p
[10:47] <seb128> doko, remove it from the archive? :p
[10:47] <seb128> who needs emacs when you have gedit!
[10:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great, crossing my fingers. :)
[10:48] <oSoMoN> Laney, when you have a sec, please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/352293
[10:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: There are a couple of pending SRUs too. Will those just work considering that there is nothing previously in -updates?
[10:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, SRU for what?
[10:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Similar freshplayerplugin uploads with fewer binaries than in -release.
[10:56] <seb128> I don't know if you can delete architectures in a SRU, that's to talk to the SRU team about
[10:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. They are still in the upload queues. Thanks!
[11:00] <seb128> yw
[11:00] <seb128> doko, do you know why emacs is in main? I wonder why we maintain that at all...
[11:02] <doko> $ fgrep -r emacs .
[11:02] <doko> ./platform.bionic/supported-development-desktop: * emacs
[11:02] <doko> ./platform.bionic/supported-development-desktop: * emacs25
[11:02] <doko> ./platform.bionic/supported-development-desktop: * emacs25-el
[11:02] <doko> ./platform.bionic/supported-development-desktop: * emacs25-nox
[11:02] <doko> ./platform.bionic/supported-development-desktop: * emacs-goodies-el
[11:02] <doko> want to drop vim too?
[11:02] <doko> you can do with ed for sure
[11:03] <xnox> seb128, imho, we can't really have "emacs and vim broken on ubuntu" or unsupported, cause it looks awkward.
[11:03] <seb128> xnox, I disagree it's a desktop component though
[11:04] <xnox> at one point there were packages building elisp bindings, but with archive reorg, we don't need emacs in main for that.
[11:04] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, that looks buggy
[11:04] <seb128> chrome-gnome-shell: chrome-gnome-shell
[11:04] <seb128> [Reverse-Recommends: gnome-shell (Uploader: laney) (MAIN)]
[11:04] <xnox> seb128, do you actually mean you disagree that ~desktop-packages is the main subscriber to it?
[11:05] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, chrome-gnome-shell isn't in main for Ubuntu and security nacked that, so it should be downgraded to suggests
[11:05] <xnox> (cause it is a graphical editor by default, and many do use it as a graphical x/gtk IDE)
[11:06] <seb128> xnox, yes, I think us claiming we support it is a best misleading, in practice we do 0 work and have no knowledge about it
[11:06] <seb128> it would be more honest to have it in universe
[11:08] <xnox> seb128, we just had main-subscribers review in portland (?!) maybe you need to re-raise this again up your management chain if you want emacs to be punted on another team.
[11:08] <xnox> seb128, in practice it is well maintained, and we do notice and fix issues if and when they arise (e.g. emacs transitions) yes mostly by working with debian maintainers and via syncs, rather than ubuntu delta, but still.
[11:09] <seb128> xnox, right, I'm going to have a look to supported-development-desktop
[11:09] <seb128> xnox, I don't know who "we" is but it's not us in desktop
[11:09] <seb128> well, the other way is to just ignore that problem and list of packates
[11:09] <seb128> since in practice it doesn't mean much anyway
[11:12] <xnox> seb128, the quality expectations there is that it must build; be usable; and have no critical usability bugs in sort of core modes. Nothing too fancy, nor there is need to maintain and support all the little sub modes. Thus it totally makes sense to stay in a "development" seed and in "main"
[11:12] <xnox> seb128, and the people who jump at fixing it, are obviously those that rely on it and happen to be in ~ubuntu-dev with or without ~canonical too.
[11:13] <seb128> right, it's good to have emacs in shape and working
[11:13] <seb128> I'm not sure having supported-development-desktop makes sense nowadays though
[11:13] <xnox> seb128, why is src:hud and src:unity still in the archive is beyond me =) because imho that is really not maintained anymore =)
[11:13] <seb128> I especially don't see vim and emacs as desktop components
[11:14] <seb128> but let me put on the list for the next catchup meeting between patricia/steve/willcooke
[11:14] <xnox> when i see "development-desktop" i tend to mean "interactive terminal where a person pretends to call themselves a developer uses it"
[11:14] <seb128> xnox, there is a bunch of community members that took over unity
[11:14] <xnox> hence i would expect things like: ed, vim, emacs, VSCode, Eclipse -> all in a pile =)
[11:15] <doko> sorry, we don't have archive-nannies team yet, so you have to bear with some stuff ...
[11:15] <seb128> you mean snaps? :)
[11:15] <seb128> doko, emacs doesn't need to be in main though
[11:16] <xnox> seb128, emacs -> only after there is emacs.el "interface" in snapd =)
[11:16] <seb128> doko, anyway what's the issue with emacs? it's not ftbfsing nor on update_excuses, it's on component mismatch but our team got subscribed so it basically just need to be promoted?
[11:17] <Laney> seb128: yeh I noticed that too, thx for pointing
[11:17] <Laney> it won't migrate anyway until budgie thing is fixed
[11:17] <seb128> right
[11:17] <xnox> seb128, this is just a package rename, no? emacs25 -> emacs
[11:17] <seb128> right
[11:17] <xnox> before that emacs24 was in main
[11:17] <Laney> oSoMoN: not right now, maybe later or someone else can help you (#ubuntu-release), sorry
[11:18] <xnox> and before that 23...
[11:18] <oSoMoN> Laney, no worries
[11:36] <Trevinho> Laney: remember this for laters ™️ https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/351445
[13:24] <seb128> doko, oh, thanks for the yaru theme MIR review btw!
[16:49] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[16:53] <oSoMoN> time to wrap up, have a good week-end!
[20:43] <raidensnake> sorry to ask but someone needs to build a fix for the intel cherry trail audio for bionic