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sonicwindhey tom00:03
daftykinsuh oh00:04
tomreynhi sonicwind00:17
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lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:28
TJ-baah, they broke my 2-in-1 again, can't boot it04:36
lotuspsychjeTJ-: whats running on it?04:38
TJ-18.04. It uses encrypted /boot/ so GRUB needs its cryptodisk/luks/etc... modules built into core image (grubx64.efi), but for some reasons despite my keep on removing them, upgrades reinstall the -signed- Canonical packages which don't contain those modules (despite my reporting the bug about 2 years ago!) and they replace the locally built grubx64.efi. If the device reboots it cannot access the04:41
TJ-/grub/ file-system, and as it's a tablet-ish format has only 1 USB port, which has to have the USB keyboard attached (because the Bluetooth detachable keyboard isn't accessible at this point)04:41
TJ-Got hit by this previously and removed all traces of the -signed- GRUB packages, but seems they've come back.04:41
TJ-Cannot recall now how I managed to get past it either, grrr04:41
lotuspsychjesounds like a job for eric04:42
TJ-Looks like I have to get it to boot into a USB install directly that already has the Bluetooth keyboard authorised04:43
lotuspsychjewhats the device brand TJ-04:44
TJ-This is my Asus T300CHI04:44
lotuspsychjelets c04:44
TJ-The model makes no difference; this is an Ubuntu problem due to -signed- GRUB packages getting reinstalled and over-writing the locally created grubx64.efi04:47
lotuspsychjehttps://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=228915904:48
lotuspsychjehttp://www.jfwhome.com/2016/01/04/latest-steps-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-t100ta/04:50
lotuspsychjeTJ-: bug abandoned for 2y lol classic04:59
lotuspsychjebreakfast first05:00
TJ-That's core Ubuntu all over nowadays... devops chasing the shiny new rather than engineers securing the foundations05:00
lotuspsychjeindeed05:01
lotuspsychjeTJ-: should be divided in teams05:01
lotuspsychjemaybe they think volunteers chasing bugs enough :p05:02
TJ-It is, but as far as I can see the old-time Debian engineering-minded developers have moved on and haven't been replaced. E.g. Colin Watson used to be the God of GRUB, he's also a GRUB project committer, but he resigned from that in 2014 I think it was... and no one at Canonical has stepped up05:03
lotuspsychjealot of new effort needed in IOT these days05:04
lotuspsychjehave you looked at canonical vacancys lol?05:04
TJ-It's the same across the board. Ubiquity installer is so fragile now he's moved on no-one dare touch it, and we know what happened with the server version of it (subiquity)05:04
TJ-lotuspsychje: mostly cloud devops and oem sales/support05:04
lotuspsychjehttps://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies05:05
lotuspsychjecloud engineers what a list05:05
lotuspsychjebrb05:06
TJ-right, more and more I consider going back to Debian05:06
lotuspsychjeTJ-: i still like ubuntu's vanilla ease and phylosophy05:51
lotuspsychjeTJ-: but as you say a solid foundation is to be cared for, on every Os05:52
TJ-yay! managed to build a custom grubx64.efi inside an LXD container on this BIOS-based system, stick it on a USB storage device as /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI, and use the EFI setup to add it as an entry to the bootmenu on there. From that I was able to unlock the LUKS /boot/, reset root= and prefix= correctly, and do "insmod normal", "normal" to bring up the system's usual boot menu05:53
lotuspsychjenice one TJ- did you add it to the bug story05:53
TJ-as this channel is logged I'll copy the command I used to build the grub EFI file05:53
lotuspsychjemorning guiverc05:53
TJ-No I didn't but I shall05:53
TJ-grub-mkimage -v -p /boot -o /boot/efi/EFI/UBUNTU/grubx64.efi -O x86_64-efi part_gpt fat ext2 efi_gop cryptodisk luks gcry_rijndael gcry_sha1 usb usbms usb_keyboard efifwsetup efinet iso9660 help gcry_sha256 loopback lsefi lsefimmap lsefisystab lvm mdraid09 mdraid1x part_msdos ntfs ntfscomp squash4 tftp http udf ufs1 ufs2 exfat ehc05:54
TJ-i uhci cat05:54
lotuspsychjetnx05:54
guiverchowdy lotuspsychje05:58
lotuspsychjeseems like the spammers gone to sleep?06:02
mwsbLet's hope so.06:02
mwsbHasn't been anything in my channels for a while now.06:02
lotuspsychjemwsb: wich are your channels?06:02
mwsb55 or so random channels. I'm not really going to enumerate them all, but a few of them have been pretty god targets for the last week or so (due to decent size user base and minimum ops)06:03
mwsbs/god/good06:03
lotuspsychjekk06:03
lotuspsychjelets hope they release lts upgrade path now, so we can build up some more users06:04
mwsbguiverc: Aussie though06:04
mwsbAhh, unfortunately they are back06:06
lotuspsychjelol06:06
guivercaussie?  aussie; wanna vegemite sandwich?06:06
mwsbNo06:07
guivercsorry - i didn't recognize who you were mwsb ... i finally got around to clicking your name & recognizing ....06:08
mwsbOuch, I'm sorry you recognise me.06:09
mwsblotuspsychje: ##guitar just got hit again - I guess the other channels have +r'd up :(06:09
lotuspsychjemaybe they wakeup on this timezone06:11
lotuspsychjethey were in discuss here aswell and has -r now06:11
mwsbThey've also hit #-ops since, so06:11
lotuspsychjemwsb: lol guitar gives auto op to users?06:12
mwsbYeah :/06:12
lotuspsychjethe bots too? :p06:12
ducassegood morning06:12
mwsbYep06:12
lotuspsychjenot the greatest idea06:13
lotuspsychjehey ducasse06:13
mwsblotuspsychje: Hey, we're guitar players, not smart people.06:14
lotuspsychjemwsb: you want the auto voice chanserv command?06:15
mwsbNah06:15
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mwsbOuch06:24
mwsblotuspsychje: I blame you!06:24
TJ-I think writing up how to fix the failed signed EFI boot took longer than fixing it!06:24
lotuspsychjelol06:24
lotuspsychjethere we go again mwsb06:24
acheronukthere is not much of that spam in here compared to some of the channels06:28
lotuspsychjeweird acheronuk06:28
acheronuka lot of core chans are now +r. but it was weird which got spammed more even before that06:31
acheronukmaybe I expect people who ultimately drive the bots to have more brains than they deserve credit for06:31
lotuspsychjeacheronuk: the way i see it, botnet spamming is always a risk and pretty dumb thing to do...06:33
lotuspsychjeso not sure if they can 'outsmart' much06:33
mwsbMy project at the moment concerns botnets06:34
acheronuklotuspsychje: yeah, don't get me wrong. we are dealing with a sliding scale on dumbass here. I realise that06:34
mwsbBut don't really have a use-case for this particular scenario.06:35
lotuspsychjeacheronuk: :p06:35
lotuspsychjemwsb: im interested, whats your project about?06:35
mwsbUmmm, I can't really tell you much more.06:36
lotuspsychjedont worry, we are also in a logged channel here so06:36
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EriC^^morning all07:55
TJ-G'morning07:58
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BluesKaj'Morning folks09:53
lotuspsychjehey there BluesKaj09:58
BluesKajHi lotuspsychje10:04
lotuspsychjepatato salad with ham & haricots for lunch here10:06
BluesKajmmm, sounds good !10:08
tomreynTJ-: not being able to lock the screen and having to restart X whenever i leave the computer for some minutes on this ubuntu 16.04 system was getting on my nerves, so i just installed ubuntu-desktop in addition to the previously installed xubuntu-desktop, as well as gdm3 in addition to lightdm, and made gdm3  the default (i'm still using xubuntu, though). and ... everything's fixed.11:52
tomreyn'groups' lists all groups, i can lock the screen and reactivate it.11:53
TJ-tomreyn: well nothing has changed in lightdm for a long time - that was something I checked for. So I think the changes in policykit-1 and/or systemd-logind have had unintended consequences. I allowed my T300CHI (also Xubuntu) to upgrade packages but by bit earlier, and even after all upgrades installed it doesn't get affected.11:59
TJ-tomreyn: I'm beginning to wonder if it is a timing issue. You saw it in a VM (which is relatively slow)and my affected PC is a 2007 Dell XPS Core 2 Duo12:00
TJ-that doesn't explain why I can consistently reproduce it by the order I open a shell though12:00
TJ-From what I've seen so far, it's the way sessions and users are handled - the session is supposed to be asociated with a user and their groups. I think when it goes wrong that is failing12:01
tomreynmaybe, i'm not really able to make a good guess at this point.12:08
tomreynjust want / need things to work, sorry...12:08
TJ-Yeah same here. At least there's a way to be sure it does (TTY login first )12:09
tomreynthis would not have fixed my other issues. but it's good that you found this workaround for the 'groups mismatch' issue12:11
daftykinssounds like a tangled web alright12:12
daftykinsTJ-: you'd be so proud, i bought a multimeter! :D12:13
TJ-tomreyn: the no-lock bit, is that Xubuntu? is it using light-locker? I had loads of problems with that and eventually removed it12:13
* TJ- awards daftykins the Hawkins medal :)12:13
tomreynTJ-: i didnt spend much time looking for a root cause, so i dont really know.12:14
daftykins:D12:14
TJ-tomreyn: "ps -efly | grep lock" :)12:14
tomreynit is and was using light-locker, yes12:15
TJ-tomreyn: anything regarding in xsession-errors?12:16
tomreynnothing at all , nor xorg log12:16
tomreyni can't reproduce it now, luckily, so it doesn't make much sense trying to debug it now12:17
TJ-right, the best kind of bug that dies on its own12:20
tomreynit's probably still there, just not in this current constellation of installed packages.12:24
lotuspsychjehey pragmaticenigma13:24
pragmaticenigmahowdy13:24
pragmaticenigmatesting testing ... is this thing on?13:43
lotuspsychjeyes13:43
lotuspsychje:p13:43
pragmaticenigmalooks like I've got fun connectivity issues today... yay!13:43
lotuspsychjeask some money back @ isp :p13:43
lotuspsychjeor..dont download & irc hehe13:44
daftykins\o/13:44
pragmaticenigmahopefully it's stable now13:44
naccwow, super spam-y in #ubuntu today?18:26
naccnot the spam attack, but random users18:26
tomreynlooks like18:27
tomreynyay, it's an acer!18:27
nacclol18:27
naccjust throw it in the trash :-P18:27
nacc(i would never just throw a computer in the trash)18:27
pragmaticenigmait usually is when they don't cooperate18:32
tomreyni was thinking it was one of the old netbooks at first, but apparently this is just some rare but well equipped model18:47
daftykinsnetbooks definitely belong in the bin18:47
daftykinswhere 'bin' is an official ewaste recycling point of course (:18:48
tomreyn:)18:49
naccdaftykins: +1 :)18:49
lotuspsychjegood evening to all19:33
tomreynhi20:33
tomreynserver-live-installer lvm partitioning bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/178532120:33
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1785321 in subiquity "LVM Entire Disk option does not use entire disk" [Undecided,New]20:33
daftykinshahaha20:33
daftykinsdid you see the one where if a disk had a partition table already, subiquity would fail?20:34
tomreynno20:34
daftykinsi think it's all been sorted now though, but it was still present on release of 18.0420:34
tomreyngeez, i really hope whoever made that decision to call it stable is on a loooong trip now.20:35
daftykins:D20:35
lotuspsychjelucky that user came to ubuntu20:44
lotuspsychjetomreyn: could this be related to ltsupgrades holdups?21:09
lotuspsychjethat commit is 31/721:09
tomreynlotuspsychje: this is really young21:09
lotuspsychjeright21:10
tomreyni'm not sure how to tell whether this is or will be in an alsa release for bionic21:10
lotuspsychjeah he's getting answered in -release21:13
toto_hi21:33
daftykinslo21:36
lotuspsychjewhat can we do for you toto_21:36
daftykinswe should sing 'Africa' acapela until we know (:21:39
lotuspsychjelol21:39
lotuspsychjedaftykins: you gonna make an ubuntu circle with me?21:39
lotuspsychjehahaha21:39
lotuspsychjeor dualboot21:39
daftykins:D who will be our #3?21:40
lotuspsychjeyou skared him :p21:42
tomreynil parle francais, tu sais...21:42
lotuspsychjeahh duh...21:42
lotuspsychjewe should have seen proxad21:42
tomreynmaybe english, too, idk21:43
daftykinsoh yeah that was the guy in from last night21:43
tomreynoh the one with the finnish ubuntu installation21:44
tomreyn<toto_> i have just finish ubuntu 18 installation on my computer21:44
daftykinsreally o021:45
daftykinsfor those who really want a challenge :D21:45
tomreyni assume they meant 'finished' though21:45
daftykinshehe oh right in that sentence, yeah that's not too far wrong i would say :D21:47
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hggdhhum23:25
daftykinsbug23:26
daftykins:)23:26
hggdhheh. While it is an eventual spam, I think we are still better off without +r. If it gets more frequent (even though they are being killed) we can go +r for another while.23:28
tomreynthere was this other complex mode where only channel ops get spammer but not non-ops. i liked this ;-)23:31
tomreynand it doesn't require +r23:31
tomreyn#freenode would know23:31
hggdhtomreyn: ends up being similar -- it is a quiet for non-registered, with the +z mode23:34
hggdhthe end result is, still, non-registered cannot chat23:34
hggdh(this is how #freenode is running right now)23:35

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