[00:03] hey tom [00:04] uh oh [00:17] hi sonicwind === guiverc_d is now known as guiverc [04:28] good morning to all [04:36] baah, they broke my 2-in-1 again, can't boot it [04:38] TJ-: whats running on it? [04:41] 18.04. It uses encrypted /boot/ so GRUB needs its cryptodisk/luks/etc... modules built into core image (grubx64.efi), but for some reasons despite my keep on removing them, upgrades reinstall the -signed- Canonical packages which don't contain those modules (despite my reporting the bug about 2 years ago!) and they replace the locally built grubx64.efi. If the device reboots it cannot access the [04:41] /grub/ file-system, and as it's a tablet-ish format has only 1 USB port, which has to have the USB keyboard attached (because the Bluetooth detachable keyboard isn't accessible at this point) [04:41] Got hit by this previously and removed all traces of the -signed- GRUB packages, but seems they've come back. [04:41] Cannot recall now how I managed to get past it either, grrr [04:42] sounds like a job for eric [04:43] Looks like I have to get it to boot into a USB install directly that already has the Bluetooth keyboard authorised [04:44] whats the device brand TJ- [04:44] This is my Asus T300CHI [04:44] lets c [04:47] The model makes no difference; this is an Ubuntu problem due to -signed- GRUB packages getting reinstalled and over-writing the locally created grubx64.efi [04:48] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2289159 [04:50] http://www.jfwhome.com/2016/01/04/latest-steps-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-t100ta/ [04:59] TJ-: bug abandoned for 2y lol classic [05:00] breakfast first [05:00] That's core Ubuntu all over nowadays... devops chasing the shiny new rather than engineers securing the foundations [05:01] indeed [05:01] TJ-: should be divided in teams [05:02] maybe they think volunteers chasing bugs enough :p [05:03] It is, but as far as I can see the old-time Debian engineering-minded developers have moved on and haven't been replaced. E.g. Colin Watson used to be the God of GRUB, he's also a GRUB project committer, but he resigned from that in 2014 I think it was... and no one at Canonical has stepped up [05:04] alot of new effort needed in IOT these days [05:04] have you looked at canonical vacancys lol? [05:04] It's the same across the board. Ubiquity installer is so fragile now he's moved on no-one dare touch it, and we know what happened with the server version of it (subiquity) [05:04] lotuspsychje: mostly cloud devops and oem sales/support [05:05] https://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies [05:05] cloud engineers what a list [05:06] brb [05:06] right, more and more I consider going back to Debian [05:51] TJ-: i still like ubuntu's vanilla ease and phylosophy [05:52] TJ-: but as you say a solid foundation is to be cared for, on every Os [05:53] yay! managed to build a custom grubx64.efi inside an LXD container on this BIOS-based system, stick it on a USB storage device as /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI, and use the EFI setup to add it as an entry to the bootmenu on there. From that I was able to unlock the LUKS /boot/, reset root= and prefix= correctly, and do "insmod normal", "normal" to bring up the system's usual boot menu [05:53] nice one TJ- did you add it to the bug story [05:53] as this channel is logged I'll copy the command I used to build the grub EFI file [05:53] morning guiverc [05:53] No I didn't but I shall [05:54] grub-mkimage -v -p /boot -o /boot/efi/EFI/UBUNTU/grubx64.efi -O x86_64-efi part_gpt fat ext2 efi_gop cryptodisk luks gcry_rijndael gcry_sha1 usb usbms usb_keyboard efifwsetup efinet iso9660 help gcry_sha256 loopback lsefi lsefimmap lsefisystab lvm mdraid09 mdraid1x part_msdos ntfs ntfscomp squash4 tftp http udf ufs1 ufs2 exfat ehc [05:54] i uhci cat [05:54] tnx [05:58] howdy lotuspsychje [06:02] seems like the spammers gone to sleep? [06:02] Let's hope so. [06:02] Hasn't been anything in my channels for a while now. [06:02] mwsb: wich are your channels? [06:03] 55 or so random channels. I'm not really going to enumerate them all, but a few of them have been pretty god targets for the last week or so (due to decent size user base and minimum ops) [06:03] s/god/good [06:03] kk [06:04] lets hope they release lts upgrade path now, so we can build up some more users [06:04] guiverc: Aussie though [06:06] Ahh, unfortunately they are back [06:06] lol [06:06] aussie? aussie; wanna vegemite sandwich? [06:07] No [06:08] sorry - i didn't recognize who you were mwsb ... i finally got around to clicking your name & recognizing .... [06:09] Ouch, I'm sorry you recognise me. [06:09] lotuspsychje: ##guitar just got hit again - I guess the other channels have +r'd up :( [06:11] maybe they wakeup on this timezone [06:11] they were in discuss here aswell and has -r now [06:11] They've also hit #-ops since, so [06:12] mwsb: lol guitar gives auto op to users? [06:12] Yeah :/ [06:12] the bots too? :p [06:12] good morning [06:12] Yep [06:13] not the greatest idea [06:13] hey ducasse [06:14] lotuspsychje: Hey, we're guitar players, not smart people. [06:15] mwsb: you want the auto voice chanserv command? [06:15] Nah [06:23] With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ [06:23] I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ [06:23] Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate [06:24] Ouch [06:24] lotuspsychje: I blame you! [06:24] I think writing up how to fix the failed signed EFI boot took longer than fixing it! [06:24] lol [06:24] there we go again mwsb [06:28] there is not much of that spam in here compared to some of the channels [06:28] weird acheronuk [06:31] a lot of core chans are now +r. but it was weird which got spammed more even before that [06:31] maybe I expect people who ultimately drive the bots to have more brains than they deserve credit for [06:33] acheronuk: the way i see it, botnet spamming is always a risk and pretty dumb thing to do... [06:33] so not sure if they can 'outsmart' much [06:34] My project at the moment concerns botnets [06:34] lotuspsychje: yeah, don't get me wrong. we are dealing with a sliding scale on dumbass here. I realise that [06:35] But don't really have a use-case for this particular scenario. [06:35] acheronuk: :p [06:35] mwsb: im interested, whats your project about? [06:36] Ummm, I can't really tell you much more. 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[11:52] TJ-: not being able to lock the screen and having to restart X whenever i leave the computer for some minutes on this ubuntu 16.04 system was getting on my nerves, so i just installed ubuntu-desktop in addition to the previously installed xubuntu-desktop, as well as gdm3 in addition to lightdm, and made gdm3 the default (i'm still using xubuntu, though). and ... everything's fixed. [11:53] 'groups' lists all groups, i can lock the screen and reactivate it. [11:59] tomreyn: well nothing has changed in lightdm for a long time - that was something I checked for. So I think the changes in policykit-1 and/or systemd-logind have had unintended consequences. I allowed my T300CHI (also Xubuntu) to upgrade packages but by bit earlier, and even after all upgrades installed it doesn't get affected. [12:00] tomreyn: I'm beginning to wonder if it is a timing issue. You saw it in a VM (which is relatively slow)and my affected PC is a 2007 Dell XPS Core 2 Duo [12:00] that doesn't explain why I can consistently reproduce it by the order I open a shell though [12:01] From what I've seen so far, it's the way sessions and users are handled - the session is supposed to be asociated with a user and their groups. I think when it goes wrong that is failing [12:08] maybe, i'm not really able to make a good guess at this point. [12:08] just want / need things to work, sorry... [12:09] Yeah same here. At least there's a way to be sure it does (TTY login first ) [12:11] this would not have fixed my other issues. but it's good that you found this workaround for the 'groups mismatch' issue [12:12] sounds like a tangled web alright [12:13] TJ-: you'd be so proud, i bought a multimeter! :D [12:13] tomreyn: the no-lock bit, is that Xubuntu? is it using light-locker? I had loads of problems with that and eventually removed it [12:13] * TJ- awards daftykins the Hawkins medal :) [12:14] TJ-: i didnt spend much time looking for a root cause, so i dont really know. [12:14] :D [12:14] tomreyn: "ps -efly | grep lock" :) [12:15] it is and was using light-locker, yes [12:16] tomreyn: anything regarding in xsession-errors? [12:16] nothing at all , nor xorg log [12:17] i can't reproduce it now, luckily, so it doesn't make much sense trying to debug it now [12:20] right, the best kind of bug that dies on its own [12:24] it's probably still there, just not in this current constellation of installed packages. [13:24] hey pragmaticenigma [13:24] howdy [13:43] testing testing ... is this thing on? [13:43] yes [13:43] :p [13:43] looks like I've got fun connectivity issues today... yay! [13:43] ask some money back @ isp :p [13:44] or..dont download & irc hehe [13:44] \o/ [13:44] hopefully it's stable now [18:26] wow, super spam-y in #ubuntu today? [18:26] not the spam attack, but random users [18:27] looks like [18:27] yay, it's an acer! [18:27] lol [18:27] just throw it in the trash :-P [18:27] (i would never just throw a computer in the trash) [18:32] it usually is when they don't cooperate [18:47] i was thinking it was one of the old netbooks at first, but apparently this is just some rare but well equipped model [18:47] netbooks definitely belong in the bin [18:48] where 'bin' is an official ewaste recycling point of course (: [18:49] :) [18:49] daftykins: +1 :) [19:33] good evening to all [20:33] hi [20:33] server-live-installer lvm partitioning bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785321 [20:33] Ubuntu bug 1785321 in subiquity "LVM Entire Disk option does not use entire disk" [Undecided,New] [20:33] hahaha [20:34] did you see the one where if a disk had a partition table already, subiquity would fail? [20:34] no [20:34] i think it's all been sorted now though, but it was still present on release of 18.04 [20:35] geez, i really hope whoever made that decision to call it stable is on a loooong trip now. [20:35] :D [20:44] lucky that user came to ubuntu [21:09] tomreyn: could this be related to ltsupgrades holdups? [21:09] that commit is 31/7 [21:09] lotuspsychje: this is really young [21:10] right [21:10] i'm not sure how to tell whether this is or will be in an alsa release for bionic [21:13] ah he's getting answered in -release [21:33] hi [21:36] lo [21:36] what can we do for you toto_ [21:39] we should sing 'Africa' acapela until we know (: [21:39] lol [21:39] daftykins: you gonna make an ubuntu circle with me? [21:39] hahaha [21:39] or dualboot [21:40] :D who will be our #3? [21:42] you skared him :p [21:42] il parle francais, tu sais... [21:42] ahh duh... [21:42] we should have seen proxad [21:43] maybe english, too, idk [21:43] oh yeah that was the guy in from last night [21:44] oh the one with the finnish ubuntu installation [21:44] i have just finish ubuntu 18 installation on my computer [21:45] really o0 [21:45] for those who really want a challenge :D [21:45] i assume they meant 'finished' though [21:47] hehe oh right in that sentence, yeah that's not too far wrong i would say :D [22:29] This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/ [22:29] With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ [23:25] hum [23:26] bug [23:26] :) [23:28] heh. While it is an eventual spam, I think we are still better off without +r. If it gets more frequent (even though they are being killed) we can go +r for another while. [23:31] there was this other complex mode where only channel ops get spammer but not non-ops. i liked this ;-) [23:31] and it doesn't require +r [23:31] #freenode would know [23:34] tomreyn: ends up being similar -- it is a quiet for non-registered, with the +z mode [23:34] the end result is, still, non-registered cannot chat [23:35] (this is how #freenode is running right now)