[00:03] <sonicwind> hey tom
[00:04] <daftykins> uh oh
[00:17] <tomreyn> hi sonicwind
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:36] <TJ-> baah, they broke my 2-in-1 again, can't boot it
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: whats running on it?
[04:41] <TJ-> 18.04. It uses encrypted /boot/ so GRUB needs its cryptodisk/luks/etc... modules built into core image (grubx64.efi), but for some reasons despite my keep on removing them, upgrades reinstall the -signed- Canonical packages which don't contain those modules (despite my reporting the bug about 2 years ago!) and they replace the locally built grubx64.efi. If the device reboots it cannot access the
[04:41] <TJ-> /grub/ file-system, and as it's a tablet-ish format has only 1 USB port, which has to have the USB keyboard attached (because the Bluetooth detachable keyboard isn't accessible at this point)
[04:41] <TJ-> Got hit by this previously and removed all traces of the -signed- GRUB packages, but seems they've come back.
[04:41] <TJ-> Cannot recall now how I managed to get past it either, grrr
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> sounds like a job for eric
[04:43] <TJ-> Looks like I have to get it to boot into a USB install directly that already has the Bluetooth keyboard authorised
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> whats the device brand TJ-
[04:44] <TJ-> This is my Asus T300CHI
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[04:47] <TJ-> The model makes no difference; this is an Ubuntu problem due to -signed- GRUB packages getting reinstalled and over-writing the locally created grubx64.efi
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2289159
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> http://www.jfwhome.com/2016/01/04/latest-steps-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-t100ta/
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: bug abandoned for 2y lol classic
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> breakfast first
[05:00] <TJ-> That's core Ubuntu all over nowadays... devops chasing the shiny new rather than engineers securing the foundations
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: should be divided in teams
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> maybe they think volunteers chasing bugs enough :p
[05:03] <TJ-> It is, but as far as I can see the old-time Debian engineering-minded developers have moved on and haven't been replaced. E.g. Colin Watson used to be the God of GRUB, he's also a GRUB project committer, but he resigned from that in 2014 I think it was... and no one at Canonical has stepped up
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> alot of new effort needed in IOT these days
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> have you looked at canonical vacancys lol?
[05:04] <TJ-> It's the same across the board. Ubiquity installer is so fragile now he's moved on no-one dare touch it, and we know what happened with the server version of it (subiquity)
[05:04] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: mostly cloud devops and oem sales/support
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> https://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> cloud engineers what a list
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> brb
[05:06] <TJ-> right, more and more I consider going back to Debian
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i still like ubuntu's vanilla ease and phylosophy
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but as you say a solid foundation is to be cared for, on every Os
[05:53] <TJ-> yay! managed to build a custom grubx64.efi inside an LXD container on this BIOS-based system, stick it on a USB storage device as /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI, and use the EFI setup to add it as an entry to the bootmenu on there. From that I was able to unlock the LUKS /boot/, reset root= and prefix= correctly, and do "insmod normal", "normal" to bring up the system's usual boot menu
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> nice one TJ- did you add it to the bug story
[05:53] <TJ-> as this channel is logged I'll copy the command I used to build the grub EFI file
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> morning guiverc
[05:53] <TJ-> No I didn't but I shall
[05:54] <TJ-> grub-mkimage -v -p /boot -o /boot/efi/EFI/UBUNTU/grubx64.efi -O x86_64-efi part_gpt fat ext2 efi_gop cryptodisk luks gcry_rijndael gcry_sha1 usb usbms usb_keyboard efifwsetup efinet iso9660 help gcry_sha256 loopback lsefi lsefimmap lsefisystab lvm mdraid09 mdraid1x part_msdos ntfs ntfscomp squash4 tftp http udf ufs1 ufs2 exfat ehc
[05:54] <TJ-> i uhci cat
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[05:58] <guiverc> howdy lotuspsychje
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> seems like the spammers gone to sleep?
[06:02] <mwsb> Let's hope so.
[06:02] <mwsb> Hasn't been anything in my channels for a while now.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> mwsb: wich are your channels?
[06:03] <mwsb> 55 or so random channels. I'm not really going to enumerate them all, but a few of them have been pretty god targets for the last week or so (due to decent size user base and minimum ops)
[06:03] <mwsb> s/god/good
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they release lts upgrade path now, so we can build up some more users
[06:04] <mwsb> guiverc: Aussie though
[06:06] <mwsb> Ahh, unfortunately they are back
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:06] <guiverc> aussie?  aussie; wanna vegemite sandwich?
[06:07] <mwsb> No
[06:08] <guiverc> sorry - i didn't recognize who you were mwsb ... i finally got around to clicking your name & recognizing ....
[06:09] <mwsb> Ouch, I'm sorry you recognise me.
[06:09] <mwsb> lotuspsychje: ##guitar just got hit again - I guess the other channels have +r'd up :(
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> maybe they wakeup on this timezone
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> they were in discuss here aswell and has -r now
[06:11] <mwsb> They've also hit #-ops since, so
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> mwsb: lol guitar gives auto op to users?
[06:12] <mwsb> Yeah :/
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> the bots too? :p
[06:12] <ducasse> good morning
[06:12] <mwsb> Yep
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> not the greatest idea
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:14] <mwsb> lotuspsychje: Hey, we're guitar players, not smart people.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> mwsb: you want the auto voice chanserv command?
[06:15] <mwsb> Nah
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[06:24] <mwsb> Ouch
[06:24] <mwsb> lotuspsychje: I blame you!
[06:24] <TJ-> I think writing up how to fix the failed signed EFI boot took longer than fixing it!
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> there we go again mwsb
[06:28] <acheronuk> there is not much of that spam in here compared to some of the channels
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> weird acheronuk
[06:31] <acheronuk> a lot of core chans are now +r. but it was weird which got spammed more even before that
[06:31] <acheronuk> maybe I expect people who ultimately drive the bots to have more brains than they deserve credit for
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: the way i see it, botnet spamming is always a risk and pretty dumb thing to do...
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> so not sure if they can 'outsmart' much
[06:34] <mwsb> My project at the moment concerns botnets
[06:34] <acheronuk> lotuspsychje: yeah, don't get me wrong. we are dealing with a sliding scale on dumbass here. I realise that
[06:35] <mwsb> But don't really have a use-case for this particular scenario.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> acheronuk: :p
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> mwsb: im interested, whats your project about?
[06:36] <mwsb> Ummm, I can't really tell you much more.
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> dont worry, we are also in a logged channel here so
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[07:55] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:58] <TJ-> G'morning
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[09:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[10:04] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> patato salad with ham & haricots for lunch here
[10:08] <BluesKaj> mmm, sounds good !
[11:52] <tomreyn> TJ-: not being able to lock the screen and having to restart X whenever i leave the computer for some minutes on this ubuntu 16.04 system was getting on my nerves, so i just installed ubuntu-desktop in addition to the previously installed xubuntu-desktop, as well as gdm3 in addition to lightdm, and made gdm3  the default (i'm still using xubuntu, though). and ... everything's fixed.
[11:53] <tomreyn> 'groups' lists all groups, i can lock the screen and reactivate it.
[11:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: well nothing has changed in lightdm for a long time - that was something I checked for. So I think the changes in policykit-1 and/or systemd-logind have had unintended consequences. I allowed my T300CHI (also Xubuntu) to upgrade packages but by bit earlier, and even after all upgrades installed it doesn't get affected.
[12:00] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm beginning to wonder if it is a timing issue. You saw it in a VM (which is relatively slow)and my affected PC is a 2007 Dell XPS Core 2 Duo
[12:00] <TJ-> that doesn't explain why I can consistently reproduce it by the order I open a shell though
[12:01] <TJ-> From what I've seen so far, it's the way sessions and users are handled - the session is supposed to be asociated with a user and their groups. I think when it goes wrong that is failing
[12:08] <tomreyn> maybe, i'm not really able to make a good guess at this point.
[12:08] <tomreyn> just want / need things to work, sorry...
[12:09] <TJ-> Yeah same here. At least there's a way to be sure it does (TTY login first )
[12:11] <tomreyn> this would not have fixed my other issues. but it's good that you found this workaround for the 'groups mismatch' issue
[12:12] <daftykins> sounds like a tangled web alright
[12:13] <daftykins> TJ-: you'd be so proud, i bought a multimeter! :D
[12:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: the no-lock bit, is that Xubuntu? is it using light-locker? I had loads of problems with that and eventually removed it
[12:13]  * TJ- awards daftykins the Hawkins medal :)
[12:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: i didnt spend much time looking for a root cause, so i dont really know.
[12:14] <daftykins> :D
[12:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: "ps -efly | grep lock" :)
[12:15] <tomreyn> it is and was using light-locker, yes
[12:16] <TJ-> tomreyn: anything regarding in xsession-errors?
[12:16] <tomreyn> nothing at all , nor xorg log
[12:17] <tomreyn> i can't reproduce it now, luckily, so it doesn't make much sense trying to debug it now
[12:20] <TJ-> right, the best kind of bug that dies on its own
[12:24] <tomreyn> it's probably still there, just not in this current constellation of installed packages.
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> testing testing ... is this thing on?
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> looks like I've got fun connectivity issues today... yay!
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> ask some money back @ isp :p
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> or..dont download & irc hehe
[13:44] <daftykins> \o/
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> hopefully it's stable now
[18:26] <nacc> wow, super spam-y in #ubuntu today?
[18:26] <nacc> not the spam attack, but random users
[18:27] <tomreyn> looks like
[18:27] <tomreyn> yay, it's an acer!
[18:27] <nacc> lol
[18:27] <nacc> just throw it in the trash :-P
[18:27] <nacc> (i would never just throw a computer in the trash)
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> it usually is when they don't cooperate
[18:47] <tomreyn> i was thinking it was one of the old netbooks at first, but apparently this is just some rare but well equipped model
[18:47] <daftykins> netbooks definitely belong in the bin
[18:48] <daftykins> where 'bin' is an official ewaste recycling point of course (:
[18:49] <tomreyn> :)
[18:49] <nacc> daftykins: +1 :)
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[20:33] <tomreyn> hi
[20:33] <tomreyn> server-live-installer lvm partitioning bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785321
[20:33] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:34] <daftykins> did you see the one where if a disk had a partition table already, subiquity would fail?
[20:34] <tomreyn> no
[20:34] <daftykins> i think it's all been sorted now though, but it was still present on release of 18.04
[20:35] <tomreyn> geez, i really hope whoever made that decision to call it stable is on a loooong trip now.
[20:35] <daftykins> :D
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> lucky that user came to ubuntu
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: could this be related to ltsupgrades holdups?
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> that commit is 31/7
[21:09] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: this is really young
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> right
[21:10] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how to tell whether this is or will be in an alsa release for bionic
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> ah he's getting answered in -release
[21:33] <toto_> hi
[21:36] <daftykins> lo
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you toto_
[21:39] <daftykins> we should sing 'Africa' acapela until we know (:
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you gonna make an ubuntu circle with me?
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> or dualboot
[21:40] <daftykins> :D who will be our #3?
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> you skared him :p
[21:42] <tomreyn> il parle francais, tu sais...
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> ahh duh...
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> we should have seen proxad
[21:43] <tomreyn> maybe english, too, idk
[21:43] <daftykins> oh yeah that was the guy in from last night
[21:44] <tomreyn> oh the one with the finnish ubuntu installation
 i have just finish ubuntu 18 installation on my computer
[21:45] <daftykins> really o0
[21:45] <daftykins> for those who really want a challenge :D
[21:45] <tomreyn> i assume they meant 'finished' though
[21:47] <daftykins> hehe oh right in that sentence, yeah that's not too far wrong i would say :D
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[23:25] <hggdh> hum
[23:26] <daftykins> bug
[23:26] <daftykins> :)
[23:28] <hggdh> heh. While it is an eventual spam, I think we are still better off without +r. If it gets more frequent (even though they are being killed) we can go +r for another while.
[23:31] <tomreyn> there was this other complex mode where only channel ops get spammer but not non-ops. i liked this ;-)
[23:31] <tomreyn> and it doesn't require +r
[23:31] <tomreyn> #freenode would know
[23:34] <hggdh> tomreyn: ends up being similar -- it is a quiet for non-registered, with the +z mode
[23:34] <hggdh> the end result is, still, non-registered cannot chat
[23:35] <hggdh> (this is how #freenode is running right now)