[05:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[05:52] <zxmoy-pi>  morning mammals
[05:53] <brobostigon> morning elven beings
[10:22] <daftykins> good news everyone \o/ after a month sat in the local courier agent's office, my faulty phone will be delivered to the repair centre in Milton Keynes this afternoon :D
[10:24] <diplo> "Maybe"
[10:24] <daftykins> hehe yeah pretty much
[10:25] <daftykins> my old backup, a Nexus 4, is such a lemon now that when i wake up and try to switch on wifi it requires a restart before it'll succeed
[10:40] <diplo> Whats the broken one ?
[10:40] <diplo> The joys of living in the sticks :D
[10:42] <daftykins> a Nexus 5x!
[10:43] <daftykins> hehe yeah down here in the English Channel is most definitely the sticks whenever it comes to trying to ship something up to the motherland
[10:43] <diplo> I see you have problems on and off :)
[10:43] <daftykins> LG have about 5 or more phones which all have CPUs that detach, causing a bootloop
[10:43] <diplo> I'm looking at a second hand 5x to try plasma mobile and ubuntu touch
[10:44] <daftykins> ah right, probably best avoided - they're known to have this issue and are unlikely to ever be truly fixed
[10:44] <daftykins> story goes that the bootloader will be permanently locked on the one i get back, too
[10:45] <diplo> :/
[10:47] <daftykins> if it ever happens ;D
[10:47] <diplo> Still busy with work ?
[10:47] <daftykins> i'd kinda hoped they'd lost it so i could pursue some other compensation
[10:48] <daftykins> mmm i should be catching up on some invoicing today, but i'm mostly waiting on other folks really
[10:48] <daftykins> went and popped in a new PC for a client earlier in the week, but need another SSD before i can carry on with more tasks there - great i got it out of the way before the temperatures climbed more
[10:49] <daftykins> even the low 20s slay me when cycling
[10:49] <daftykins> hows about yourself? :)
[10:51] <diplo> Do you have the market for IT work there then ?
[10:51] <diplo> I'm good, busy as under staffed, but other than that good :)
[10:54] <daftykins> ah ha - yeah, my clientelle is pretty small, but i don't mind the small business support - it's the wealthy guy with the 3 homes that mostly pays the bills though :D always something to do for him and his family
[10:55] <diplo> But not depending on him though? all eggs in one basket type of thing
[10:55] <daftykins> i could definitely do with growing things, he's no spring chicken now... approaching 70
[10:56] <diplo> I keep debating doing private business, but think I'd miss my work side of my job and the support side may drive me insane, even if the money is good
[10:56] <daftykins> young wife and 4 year old son though, heh
[10:56] <diplo> Bloomin eck!
[10:56] <diplo> So you carry on with her after :)
[10:57] <daftykins> haha, not sure what she'll end up doing, she's a business type who keeps her fingers in several pies but none of them seem to really go the distance that i've seen
[10:57] <daftykins> the latest venture is a charity for funding the under-financed off to University and so on in England
[10:57] <daftykins> what's your main field of work, then?
[10:58] <diplo> Man of many hats, but work for a software company, mainly doing sysadmin type stuff, but have to keep doing support which is driving me to think to leave
[10:58] <daftykins> hrmm support for in-house folk or more the company's customers using the products?
[10:58] <diplo> Support about 100 customers machines, automation etc, and all of the about
[10:59] <diplo> above*
[10:59] <daftykins> hmm decently varied then?
[10:59] <diplo> Yeah which is why I've stayed, but no money to spend, everything is a chore to sort out etc
[11:00] <diplo> Automated our installation that used to take 2-3 days to 30 mins - I want to do stuff like that :) lots to do, just not enough time
[11:00] <diplo> Just off to grab some lunch bbiab
[11:00] <daftykins> i only seem to encounter roadblocks when i have to deal with other folks - one client, a metal work company, have had their website redone by a guy who doesn't respond to emails at all :S
[11:00] <daftykins> enjoy!
[12:17] <diplo> yeah that's a big problem for us with third part IT companies and web companies, is getting responses
[12:18] <daftykins> bit shocking when a month goes by, mmm
[12:22] <diplo> I've given up caring now, customer wants to use third party IT companies, that's fine... I just won't chase them
[12:23] <daftykins> years ago i had this situation where i was putting in (what was) Google Apps for someone, their website guy held the keys to the domain - so it took 2 months to get him to set the MX records so we could start using it
[12:23] <daftykins> totally bypassed the month free trial
[12:24] <daftykins> just got confirmation on the DPD tracking that my phone got delivered to the repair centre :D
[12:24] <daftykins> now i wonder how long they'll spin this next bit out
[12:24] <daftykins> they don't even fix them, just do a motherboard swap inside my original and post it back
[13:23] <diplo> Yeah we have people like that, not sure why they're like it, don't want to lose control or something, our company just does stuff straight away
[13:23] <diplo> And woohoo, now another 6 months to return the phone
[13:24] <daftykins> :D
[13:36] <halt> Hey guys, I'm using an external drive for backups, but I don't trust the data consistency, is there a program for Linux what can fresh the data content, while validating integrity with some hashing like the RAID ?
[13:37] <daftykins> rsync source to destination would check the files if that's what you want
[13:39] <diplo> Or programs like duplicity etc do checks as well
[13:39] <daftykins> !backup
[13:39] <daftykins> :D
[13:40] <diplo> Mondo, haven't heard of that for years!
[13:40] <diplo> Is that still a thing
[13:41] <diplo> It appears it is...
[13:41] <diplo> Hmm website doesn't load mind :)
[13:41] <daftykins> well, as with the condition of the ubuntu wiki, most of the factoids are hidden behind folk who won't update them, so i'd not be surprised :D
[13:46] <diplo> I really want to hash out a better backup strategy for work, customers won't pay money and I hate what we do.. so want to find something I can deploy to all our customers and that I can update and only need to update configs :)
[13:48] <daftykins> i have the classic where a client wants to be safe from ransomware but don't want to lift a finger
[13:49] <daftykins> at one point i was going to get them a nice 2 bay synology NAS for at home, like i have done for many folks, then send the backups remotely to their home - but then they went and got a silly Apple TimeCapsule thing without asking me first, so it wasn't capable of my plan
[13:49] <diplo> We currently tgz dirs at night and sometimes backup to usb, I'd rather have a software solution than my python/bash scripts
[13:50] <diplo> Yeah customers making silly decisions
[13:50] <diplo> We sold a customer a server about 6 years ago, with tape drive, tapes were sold with it and shown how to swap,  I went to that site 3 weeks ago, they've never swapped tapes :P
[13:50] <daftykins> was kinda funny them getting convinced into buying an iMac for home to begin with, they eventually got so annoyed since they didn't know how to use macOS - they asked me to put Windows on it xD
[13:50] <diplo> Or taken them offsite
[13:50] <daftykins> ouch
[13:51] <diplo> I'm so scared about our customers, but you can't protect stupid
[13:51] <daftykins> mmm, lead a horse to water and all that
[13:52] <diplo> I'm compiling a list of whats happening on sites atm, going to try and upsell products/backup solutions
[13:52] <daftykins> that main guy has been 'trained' up on using whatsapp calling when he's off in London / Europe to call back home so he doesn't get killed for calling the Guernsey numbers (they tend to be 40p/min+ for most UK telcos) but he always forgets
[13:52] <diplo> hahah
[13:52] <daftykins> £120 bill in 3 days
[13:52] <diplo> Bloody 'ell!
[13:53] <halt> I don't think neither of the options above would work, I'm using restic for backup, more like to archive so the drive is offline and just sitting idle, but of course have other copy's
[13:54] <daftykins> why do you think it won't work?
[13:54] <daftykins> if they aren't a fit then we might be missing something in your explanation of what you do to say why that is
[13:54] <halt> Duplicity, rsync, Mondo
[13:54] <daftykins> those are just the names again, not explanations of why they won't help
[13:55] <halt> I have an SSD drive I want to refresh the info on it, as it was not used and the SSD-s are leaking and forgetting with time if not used
[13:58] <daftykins> storage leaking and forgetting data, ok now you're firmly in troll territory
[13:58] <diplo> So rsync data from /home to /mnt/usb or whatever the path is, could also dpkg --list the prgrams you have installed too ? Still not sure what you are trying to achieve that those programs can't hepl with
[13:58] <halt> the the list of tech listed above are suggesting new backup solutions, however I just want to read up the content, validate that it's not corrupted, and write it back so fresh it up
[13:59] <daftykins> if you believe the integrity of the data on this/these SSD(s) is compromised, they should not be being used
[14:01] <daftykins> halt: yeah you haven't paid attention to what i said, have a great day.
[14:03] <daftykins> sounds like it's another translator question asker
[14:05] <halt> No I'm not trolling,I asking for help and yet what you talked about does not looks like relevant( and yes I read it, and I *think* I understood ) , there are software like this for windows like http://www.puransoftware.com/DiskFresh.html, the question is that, I have a set of data what I want to ensure to remain recoverable, it's an archive, so no new backups, no sync, no copy, but then clearly I did not managed to explain the problem clearly
[14:06] <daftykins> rsync compares source to destination to verify if they match, i fail to see how that is not what you want
[14:07] <daftykins> if you are translating this query i think you should find somewhere that speaks your mother tongue
[14:09] <halt> there is NO src and destination, there is A drive, so things like SpinRite, HDD Regenerator, DiskFresh, that kind of tool I'm searching for Linux, but there I will search somewhere else, as clearly I will not get an answer, and thank you very much
[14:10] <daftykins> ah so it's not really a backup at all, you have known bad media and you're leaving data you care about on it
[14:10] <daftykins> that's not very clever
[14:12] <daftykins> those programs are pretty widely regarded as snakeoil
[14:19] <diplo> brb, rebooting VPS
[14:20] <halt> well.. yet an other wrong presumption, ( I need backup, I'm not British, I have a bad drive ) My drives, are all fine SMART data even HDSentinel show 100% , but there not in use, so following the wisdom of many sysadmin who claim, having backup worth nothing unless you test it time to time, I'm applying this idea to the archives, but I would prefer to do a full recovery test only every ~10 years, what I'm after now is data refreshing once every year o
[14:23] <daftykins> you said backup, but now you say it's not a copy from a source to destination, so then it's not... how many more things will change each time you try to explain it?
[14:24] <daftykins> 100% as applied to an SSD speaks only if its' NAND write endurance remaining, there are a lot more things to consider
[14:24] <daftykins> it's not a backup if it's the only place the data is :) (as you seem to have explained)
[14:27] <daftykins> let's go back to your original query and see why two people both got the idea you required something to compare two data sets, one of which being a backup of the other
[14:27] <daftykins> "< halt> Hey guys, I'm using an external drive for backups..."
[14:27] <daftykins> i'm now going to set an ignore so feel free to go somewhere else, but if you keep presenting garbage to people and wanting diamonds in return, you're going to have a bad time
[14:28] <halt> :) you are a funny one, but I don't have time for this trolling now, so will back when someone actually want to help, have a nice day
[14:34] <halt> ps. I suggest to check what HDSentinel does, as that you clearly missed, it's way more then "NAND write endurance remaining" and in fact more then just the collection of all the SMART data
[14:35] <daftykins> wb
[14:39] <diplo> ta, wouldn't auth automatically, hadn't noticed... also need to investigate, took forever for server to reboot
[14:39] <diplo> stuck at mysqld forever
[14:40] <daftykins> ruh roh
[14:40] <daftykins> never a dull moment (:
[14:43] <diplo> Well I never touch the box apart from updates
[14:43] <diplo> But thinking of moving my nextcloud instance to it etc
[14:44] <daftykins> ah yeah, i do love nextcloud - aiming to put it in for that co. once i take over the website hosting too, although i need to refresh my understanding of how the letsencrypt wildcard certs work, as the DNS method is totally impractical for me
[14:56] <diplo> I am about to test Wildcards this weekend
[14:56] <diplo> Sorry working on multi screens, forget to look back to the right
[14:57] <daftykins> np :D
[14:57] <daftykins> i tried out the DNS method but me and my friends have domains all with an unsupported registrar, so having to login and manually update a TXT record every 60 days isn't very practical
[14:57] <daftykins> i should look at the others
[14:58] <diplo> I've moved mine to DO's dns, but also about to try route53 for work for the same reasons
[14:59] <daftykins> ah that'd be a lot easier then
[14:59] <diplo> For doing internal dns so custname.domain.tld for our internal webapp so we don't have "not secure" :)
[15:02] <daftykins> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-acme-03#section-7.2
[15:02] <daftykins> ah ha this would be far better than DNS
[15:05] <diplo> I use http validation currently
[15:06] <diplo> Moving to dns-01 for work, as the internal sites can't do http externally
[15:07] <daftykins> ah, something i'm reading claims http-01 is not an option for wildcards
[15:13] <daftykins> hmm could move these domains to cloudflare nameservers
[15:21] <diplo> or that, but yeah is wildcard not dns-01 ?
[15:22] <daftykins> it is, it can't be used with http-01 unfortunately, so i couldn't easily implement that which would work for me
[15:23] <daftykins> right now i would have to SSH into my VPS, run the request command to renew the wildcard cert, copy and paste the TXT record value manually into a friends domain control panel and sit and wait for it to be returned via CLI utilities as correctly having updated before i hit enter (since it checks it)
[15:24] <daftykins> so yeah i really should move to a supported DNS service
[15:24] <diplo> Yeah that was my problem, which is why I've created a Route53
[15:24] <diplo> We've got cpanel, evne less supported