 @bollickybill, that's not how convergence works; convergence means you'll be able to plug a monitor in your phone and your phone will ~shapeshift~ work as a desktop
 Is there a way to import contacts from Nextcloud?
 Yep
 The webapp can download the csv
 How? I see the option for Google Contacts, which is what I've been using, but I don't see an option to import from a file.
 That
 That what?
 Sorry hit enter before finishing
 Oh lol. I do that a lot
 Oh, maybe with the contacts page plugin nextcloud side
 So apps  - social and communication - contacts
 No I mean a way to import contacts from Nextcloud to Ubuntu Touch
 Then you get a contacts page on nextcloud
 [Edit] No I mean a way to import contacts from Nextcloud to Ubuntu Touch lol 😛
 Yes this is how
 Oh
 With the webapp
 Hit the menu on that page
 😅
 Oh, hmm
 Where did it go
 Huh, I remember doing it before,  maybe it broke
 @amolith I think an update broke this
 Lol alright. I'll stick Google Contacts until it gets fixed. Thank you for trying to help!
 I'll have to track down what happened
 Maybe the content hub part ? Couldn't even save the csv in file manager
 Contacts should appear on the app selection there
 @mateosalta, Oh ok I see how that should work now.
 I heard something happened with content hub; do you know what broke?
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 does anyone why Nexus5 running ubuntu touch 16.04 can't connect to Wireless display of smart tv ?
 @sangram_chavan, Hi, if you're experiencing that bug, can you confirm it here https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/781 ? Thank you :)
 Don't forget to say which device, channel & build are you using
 @sangram_chavan, never got it working even on 15.04...I think it only worked on PRO 5?
 @Javacookies, ok
[07:37] <ubptgbot> Foo was added by: Foo
 Foo
 Bar
 @amolith, Can import from SIM card?
 @Foo, Welcome Foo. Please check out the link for more about UBports … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @amolith, first download contacts file in "vcf" format from your Nextcloud account and then open it in your phone with Contacts
 (Photo, 1080x462) https://irc.ubports.com/atxBckY0.png
[13:51] <ubptgbot> enzomaietta was added by: enzomaietta
 Welcome @enzomaietta !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 Ok let's go :)
 I am ready!
 Multitasking by watching The Wild Bunch with my old man.
 We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVIHFA8XcbM
 uh
 VLC.
 Frozen here
 stream down?
 what happened to the stream?
 Is it up or down?
 Here wwe go
 Frozen also for me
 i think dalton's internet is probably not so great right now
 Try and refresh
 Lagged for me for a second, I joined a min or so late.
 @dohbee, it's from google server though
 Ok Dalton is one thing
 But the overall stream should not freeze 😆
 Google is sabotaging us
 The streaming isn't working for me
 ok we will try to fix
 @mariogrip, but Dalton is the one in control, so if he freezes/drops Google doesn't handle it well
 Now it's fine, you're all so beautiful!
 he's the "host" in this MMO
 I'll recreate the event
 Periodically freezing
 There is no other better alternative rather tahn google?
 google = evil
 no ^^
 @malditobastardo, i don't think the problem is google
 Stream ended 18 seconds ago
 Hold on we are regrouping
 unless there's some massive DDoS against them right now, anyway
 Will Libertine bugs be targeted for OTA 5 rather than 4? E.g. with how VLC and gnome-terminal crash on startup.
 well this was shot
 [Edit] well this was short
 :P
 We're coming back
 same link?
 New link^^
 I don't think so
 put the link here
 I'll help spread
 New stream link: http://youtu.be/3ZpZ3r79Dhk
 You fellows have taken short and sweet updates to the extreme. lol
 yay. and dalton's face is in sync now with his voice now
 It looks like it's working now 👍
 [Edit] You fellows have taken short updates to the extreme. lol
 Boeing >>> Airbus
 July 30th??
 E5
 Is this a Delorean type situation?
 back in business after 35 years, and making electric vehicles out of old stock?
 Haha. I think Jan meant August?
 Different adb from this one? … ```android-tools-adb | 5.1.1r36+git20160322-0ubuntu3 | xenial/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x```
 There's also the `adb` package
 OTA 5? what did I miss? before I've seen OTA 4 everywhere...
 or is it due to Chinese?
 [Edit] or is it due to Chinese (like OnePlus)?
 oh weird
 but anything that's adb > 5 should be fine i would think?
 Should be, but you never know
 we really need to get rid of language packs
 Patrons, donors, it's all synonymous :)
 @NotKit, OTA4 will be first, but will not automaticly OTA vivid to xenial,  but OTA5 will
 Will there be a way for those users who choose to, to remain on Vivid?
 @TartanSpartan, yeah sure
 Nice.
 automaticly just means as a OTA, not that it will automaticly update the phone
 which is why we need to get rid of language packs
 what is the localization group?
 Like a boss, D.
 Wait actually did I ask that question? I'm confused. But no problem.
 unity8 is literallly the world
 Oh my god, FML, I'm watching the previous live show...
 @dohbee, @ublangs maybe? let me see
 lol
 Didn't click (hah) until now. I thought it was sufficiently different from my memory of the last show haha.
 @Flohack, Afaik it hasn't a public link because is a group for language captains only. … It works only by invitation
 @advocatux, invite me? i'll be the captain for the redneck language
 restream.io for streaming .. it is a good service
 @dohbee, I've tried to invite you but it seems I don't have that power, sorry
 @UniversalSuperBox maybe best to use standard sales sites (ebay, swappa, gumtree, whatever), and have a section in forum where people can post links to those?
 @Flohack, have ye the power to invite to the translations group?
 you can leave your front door unlocked too, if you really want to
 on the canonical m10 image, there used to be a pre-installed container that was read-only
 yep
 in the custom tarball
 but that's not a good plan
 firefox, libreoffice, gedit
 etc..
 it's not upgradeable
 pro 5 is a converged device!
 @dohbee, No ^^
 if you have the 720p tablet, it's moderately usable
 pro 5 16.04 is not flashable because of cache size i think
 :/
 Fine on tablets if you only expect your finger to substitute for left click.
 @TartanSpartan, well, with a bt kb/mouse, the low res tablet is moderately usable, since it's 720p at 10"
 Visually, fine even on cooler. 720p not mandatory IMO.
 cooler is the 720p one no?
 HD? So FHD is 1080p?
 I see.
 yes
 HD is 720p FHD is 1080p
 i forget which code name goes to which device though
 Dalton said 7.1?
 I would say it's just fine, being of comparable size to a laptop screen.
 Cooler is HD, freiza is FHD.
 @DiogoConstantino, yes. for halium
 ok, I just wanted to be sure about the version
 thanks
 because 8+ requires treble, so 7.1 is the limit at the moment
 Treble could be a nice possibility to make UBPorts more portable, but it (or actually 8+) requires reworking everything once again
 yup
 @NotKit, can you elaborate on that?
 I'm really not aware of many details about treble, I'm just marginally aware of what it is
 polar bears are literally on fire
 Cali too :(
 @DiogoConstantino, it's basically the same as halium, but google's project
 that is the part I know
 so totally different and more restricted or something
 @dohbee, no, different
 Treble allows to have single Android system image (GSI - Generic System Image) boot on different devices, which in our case would be Halium
 ah
 so it's a different approach
 it doesn't replace what we do with Halium, but rather allow to use single Halium build on many devices
 [Edit] it doesn't replace what we do with Halium, but rather allows to use single Halium build on many devices
 so that is the message they deploy on all devices?
 @TartanSpartan, Did this get answered? Perhaps whilst I was watching the earlier show?
 do they allow manufacturers to add stuff?
 kernel still needs to be recompiled though, as we need different options from Android
 i don't think we'd get automatic support becasue ofono has it
 would probably require some work in telepathy-ofono and/or messaging app
 @DiogoConstantino, yes, they can customize Android firmware, but hardware adaptation part is more abstrated for Treble device than it was before
 ok
 I think I get it
 at least enough
 @TartanSpartan, i think yes and no (not directly, but the plan is to get all the remaning kinks ironed out for ota5, yes)
 K, and we'll see if the hosts have anything to add on top of that.
 Haha cheers Dalton and I love you all too.
 Is it completely impossible to use upstart in 18.04?
 Gotcha.
 @JBBgameich, pretty much yes
 it would require a massive fork of ubuntu (and thus no longer be ubuntu)
 linkedin
 definitely not a meaningful use of time
 Dalton, Marius, Florian & Lukas :) Thank you for the Q&A !!
 thanks!
 Ciao guys.
 @UniversalSuperBox where will be the post-show?
 I'm not allowed to live stream
 grr
 The Paradise
 @UniversalSuperBox, i am
 you're not?
 We'll use Marius' channel then
 ok
 link me up
 Unlisted, @mariogrip
 @dohbee, I already booted debian using openrc, is upstart really so different?
 It seems to be still possible to use non-
 [Edit] It seems to be still possible to use non-systemd initsystems at least in debian
 @JBBgameich, i don't really see why we would stick to upstart on a newer ubuntu when ubuntu doesn't
 we're not talking about debian. we're talking about ubuntu
 @dohbee, exactly
 We already have plenty on our plate
 outsource the most to Debian and Ubuntu is the best we can do
 imo, it'd be better to finish the migration to systemd
 to focus on what is core for us
 @dohbee, It would of course only make sense in case the older device kernels are somehow incompatible with systemd as I remember Marius said some time ago.
 if the goal would be to avoid systemd, then it would be far better to not be based on ubuntu, nor debian, but on some system where not having systemd is the default and is the stated goal of the platform
 @JBBgameich, Although systemd seems to work even with kernel 3.2 in Halium, so probably Unity8 is the currently the main part still depending on upstart.
 @JBBgameich, [Edit] Although systemd seems to work even with kernel 3.2 in Halium, so probably Unity8 is currently the main part still depending on upstart.
 i think some parts of systemd might require newer kernel features
 @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox do you have a link?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7UjGRh0Dxo
 I'm watching
 Me too xD
 I don't login on google
 I just watch
 probably with OBS you can do that
 @NotKit the link is here
 you can capture the window with OBS, and stream it to youtube
 I'll try to experiment with that for the next time
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 yep I'm still watching while having chicken
 @UniversalSuperBox yes've been here
 @John, Hello John. Check out this page to find out more about UBporrs … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @John, [Edit] Hello John. Check out this page to find out more about UBports … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @mariogrip  yeah an asmr session 😆 good idea ^^
 @vince1171, asmr?
 @Stereofont, a joke from the live :)
 :P
 @UniversalSuperBox you should do more stream like this :)
 It was a good time
 Nice and relaxed
 yeah sure :)
 @vince1171 you're in Belgium?
 actually, is it possible to fix translation for UBPorts website?
 @vince1171, 👍
 The stream was very interesting, especially the Halium related parts :)
 (https://ubports.com/ru_RU/ - Russian version is a weird mix of Russian and English for the momemnt)
 [Edit] (https://ubports.com/ru_RU/ - Russian version is a weird mix of Russian and English for the moment)
 [Edit] actually, what is the process to edit translation for UBPorts website?
 @DiogoConstantino, Yep … Brussels :)
 me too
 anymore people in Brussels?
 maybe we can do a gettogether
 This could be fun :)
 @NotKit, For Spanish is even worse. It's fully translated but it isn't online at all
 @NotKit, https://translate.ubports.com/
 @advocatux, Dis
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